Zero Tolerance: Ann Coulter Interview | FRONTLINE

Zero Tolerance: Ann Coulter Interview | FRONTLINE

>>… The 2012 election happens, and the famous “autopsy”—>>Ooh!>>—the autopsy which says, hey, you know, we’ve got a problem here, because the numbers are changing, and the Republican Party is going to lose power if we’re not careful. So the Gang of Eight come together, and they sign and they pass in the Senate the reform—the immigration reform bill. But there are some disagreements on that. Fox—not by Fox, not by [Sean] Hannity; they’re in support of it.>>Correct!>>And there are some people, like [Steve] Bannon at Breitbart, and certainly Sessions, Sen. [Jeff] Sessions and [Stephen] Miller, who was working for Sessions—>>I can tell you who was against the amnesty. And Bannon was still—nobody knew who Bannon was back in 2012. Good luck to you finding him anyplace. And I’m not criticizing him, but no, that— no, it was Sen. Sessions; Stephen Miller, who worked for him; Mickey Kaus; me; Joyce Kaufman. I don’t think I can get up to 10 names who were opposed to that amnesty. …>>The fact is that it seems to be a done deal. There seems to be a wave—maybe not a tidal wave, but a wave moving towards this.>>Very bad.>>But there’s—there’s—there’s—within a small group, including yourself, there’s chipping away at sort of why we’re going down this route. And there’s an adjustment in the GOP at that point in time which is pretty radical. Immigration at that point in time starts becoming a much bigger issue with Republicans, and when [House Majority Leader Eric] Cantor loses—>>That was great.>>I mean, I know people go back and forth, but when Cantor loses, people all of a sudden say, “Wait a minute.” So take us to that moment. How does that happen?>>They were very dark days, and you’re giving too many people credit for this. It was 100% of the Democratic Party; 70% of the Republican Party; 90% of the 30% of the Republican Party pretending to be against amnesty. The entire conservative talk radio except—I mean, seriously, I could name like, three talk radio hosts, and they weren’t the big ones, who were against amnesty. One hundred percent Fox News was pedal to the metal to get this amnesty bill passed. They were very, very dark days. It wasn’t the GOP waking up. It was the elected Republicans and talk radio realizing that the people who vote for them and watch their media hated their guts, absolutely hated their guts. I’ve been talking about immigration since Bush first started to push it in 2006. Then [Sen. John] McCain pushed it. Then we had [Sen. Marco] Rubio and McCain pushing it again. I’ve been on the issue—not obsessively— I didn’t have a book about it until 2015— but I’ve been pushing this since 2004, and what I would do—in fact, I gave lots of speeches to the Tea Parties. They’d ask me to speak usually about Obamacare, often guns. Whatever the issues [were] in the news then— let’s say Obamacare, guns—I would have— I’d have the speech: OK, here’s Obamacare; here’s guns; and now I’m going to talk about immigration. And they weren’t hearing it from Fox News, and they weren’t hearing it from talk radio. When I got to immigration, the crowds went wild. I told [Mitt] Romney this. I told him: “I just came back from a speech. Nobody even asked me to speak about immigration. When I got to immigration—” No, that’s always what the base was. How was amnesty stopped? Well, it’s been stopped. They’ve been trying to sneak it through Congress, both Republicans and Democrats. They’ve tried to sneak it through at least a half dozen, maybe a dozen times in the past 20 years. The only way it has ever stopped— it’s not because of Fox News; it’s not because of talk radio— is because somehow the word gets out, “They’re about to pass an amnesty,” and regular Americans call in and shut down the congressional switchboard. It is such a—I’ve never seen an issue where the elites are 100% on one side and the people are 100% on the other side. Not 100%, but 90/90. And Trump was the only guy— I mean, this is why I wrote In Trump We Trust. And don’t think I didn’t know what his disabilities were. I’d go out with my friends; they’d sit down and tell me, you know, that he’s tacky and the gold all over, and he can’t put two sentences— and I’d say I’m going into this totally, totally clear-eyed. But he’s not a genius. There’s a $1,000 bill laying on the ground, and he picked it up, and nobody else would pick it up. Does any other Republican want to run on a popular issue? Any of you guys? Anyone? Do we have any offers? You in the back? Nope! The Koch brothers and the chamber of commerce want their cheap labor, and they don’t care what kind of country this will become because of it. Well, the people do care. An awful lot of the people do care what kind of country this becomes.>>… So, one other thing. Talk about Miller. Did you know Miller back then?>>No. >>Who was he? Why does he become this rising star? Why does Trump turn to him? He’s an interesting guy. He also—he starts out in talk radio in a way. He’s a student, and he’s involved at Duke and everything else. So he’s glommed onto it, and he’s good on it, and so he’s popular. But who is Miller?>>He’s very smart. He’s very patriotic. He’s never taken to heart the important Reagan slogan, there’s no end to what can be accomplished if you don’t care who gets the credit. He’s the one blocking a lot of the things in the Trump administration, like hiring anyone who knows how to get it done.>>I mean, he’s also the last man standing.>>He’s arranged to be the last man standing. >>What do you—what do you mean?>>I mean, he’s the one who blocked Kris Kobach. He’s the one who’s getting rid of— I don’t know if you remember. There was one time—speaking of, you know, division in politics, there was one moment in the Trump years when the left and right came together in peace and unity. I get home the night Omarosa [Manigault Newman] was fired. CNN: Everybody hates Omarosa. MSNBC: Everybody hates Omarosa. Fox News: Everybody hates Omarosa. I thought, we finally did it. Thank you, Omarosa. But one of the things that came out in those interviews were— people were saying—they were interviewing, I think it was on CNN, a lot of black Republicans, and the CNN anchor was saying, “Well, OK, but this is the only black Republican working in the Trump White House,” and all the black Republicans said, “That’s because of Omarosa!” Same thing with Stephen Miller.>>Smart guy. Realizing that he’s been pushing something for a long time that’s been being ignored except by people like Sessions, he is going to push this thing through in any way possible, and a lot of the other people out there don’t have— have never had their hearts in it, and he’d—>>They’re absolutely against it. And there are plenty of people who could be hired— and by the way, I’m not applying for a job; I absolutely do not want a job— but until he unfortunately passed away last year, Pat Caddell, Mickey Kaus, Kris Kobach— you’ve got Harvard-Yale-Oxford. He wrote E-Verify! He wrote the Arizona law [SB 1070] that was upheld by the Supreme Court, denounced as “papers, please.” Yeah, that was upheld. So screw you, MSNBC. He’s the one who came up with— I mean, Romney called it “self-deportation”— the argument that we don’t have to deport anyone. We enforce E-Verify; they go home the same way they came. We didn’t round them up to bring them here; we don’t have to round them up to bring them home. It’s a lot easier going back the same way. All of these were Kris Kobach’s ideas. I mean, Trump will never get done what he promised to get done if he’s not going to hire the people who know how to do it. >>… So let’s get to Trump. So, you know, the escalator speech. He comes down the escalator. His message resonates with the forgotten. He is channeling you, your book. He’s like reading directly from your book. You’re watching this thing. Have you been talking to him? What are you seeing, and why does it resonate, and why did nobody else understand that this was— the establishment basically said this guy is done the first day he announces. What’s going on?>>He did—I tried to get a copy of Adios, America to several Republicans running for president, and the Koch brothers. Post-it-noted just a few pages they’d need to read. I’m FedExing it off. I’m contacting my friends who know one or the other candidate, begging them to take up this issue, begging them! No, Trump just saw me on—a week before the book came out, I did an interview with Jorge Ramos. It winds up on Drudge. It goes viral. I’m on my way to the airport later that day, and I get an email from—I recalled it being him, but it was probably Corey Lewandowski, saying, “Could you please FedEx a copy of your book to us?” And yes, Trump got a lot of the very important points and correct points from Adios, America. He put them perhaps a little more aggressively than I would have. When I first saw the escalator speech, I was a little nervous by it, because it was more kind of, well, not the way I would have put it. Agreed with the underlying points, but maybe, maybe a little— a little honey in your presentation. … But my main— And the concern was that he would end up undermining the issues that were so important and so popular by stating them a teensy bit too aggressively. So it actually took me a couple of weeks. I also expected he was going to back down. … So I was waiting for Trump to take it back and say: “Oh, no, no, I didn’t mean that Mexico’s sending rapists. They’re sending Rhodes Scholars. They’re so much better than we are.” And damned if he never took it back! So two weeks later, I had to say, OK, I’m for—I’m for this guy.>>Why does it resonate with a population, certainly your audience, other people out there? What is going on that the establishment doesn’t understand?>>Well, two things. One is the issue itself. And I think that really—that has always been lost with Trump. I mean, the mainstream media’s narrative is that, you know, all the people who voted for Trump are just, you know, three-fingered troglodytes who hate minorities and hate the other. … No! No. Could you please notice that he’s the only one who has allowed us to vote on this basket of issues? … The trade, immigration and no more pointless wars, all of which serves, you know, Boeing, Raytheon, the cheap labor. The globalism serves Wall Street; they get to do the contracts. What do they care about America? They are globalists. Whether they’re in Gstaad or Davos, what do they care about America? Normal Americans care about being Americans; it’s one of our most precious possessions. And the fact that politicians have blown that off over and over and over again, even when Trump was winning on those issues— I mean, would I have preferred someone who is a little more well-spoken? Yeah. I think I and all of my friends would have. … OK, that’s part one. Do not discount the issues. That is why people were voting for him. It was an advantage that he would double down when he was attacked. Why? Because it made him the molecular opposite of John McCain. You’re not going to back down. Now, I wish since he’s been president that he would do the punch-back even harder when he’s being attacked for actually doing something, like building the wall, not for tweeting something. But a Republican who not only doesn’t back down but punches back harder, that independently, even if he’s not always right, even if he said something stupid, the fact that he doesn’t back down to the hysteria from the left, that is a quality in and of itself.>>…. The Access Hollywood moment is I think an example of what you’re talking about, is the fact that— and you’ve written about it—that he can kind of do— get way with a lot because people see him as telling the truth on the points that they’re mostly interested in. Define what was going on. How is it possible that he was able to maneuver around the Access Hollywood tape using techniques like going into the debate the next night—>>That was great!>>—and sort of going after Bill Clinton. I mean, what was going on?>>First, I don’t think anything could have stopped Trump at that point when the Access Hollywood tape came out. People wanted to vote on immigration. Every time it has been put to a vote since 1994, they have voted to end illegal immigration. Can you get a clue, politicians? They were voting for Trump. And as I think it was Josh Barro— I forget who the reporter was, but I think it was Josh Barro— went out to Iowa before the Iowa caucuses, and he said he’s interviewing people. He tweeted this out and said something like, “You know, I’m asking voters, ‘But what about his attack on John McCain?’ Who cares? The wall. You know, next question: ‘How about the fact that he used to be a Democrat?’ Who cares? The wall.” That’s what people were voting on. He promised to build a wall. There was such a hard-core element of support. I mean, it may not be every single voter, but I think it was an awful lot of them. I mean, in my circle, that was what— it was voting on the wall and illegal immigration. And I’m talking about, you know, doctors and lawyers and Hollywood people who aren’t forgotten. What do we get out of this? We get the cheap labor, too, but we want to save America, and we care about our fellow Americans. So I don’t think anything could have stopped Trump at that point. … And I have to say, my face apparently turned white when I first heard about the Access Hollywood tape at Breitbart offices in L.A. And we just sat and we watched every network playing it, and I just didn’t say anything. I sent a few tweets. By that night—this is what has happened over and over again in the Trump era. Even when there’s something bad about Trump that would kill anyone else, the media so overplays their hand. They can’t help themselves. And when I saw Lawrence O’Donnell weeping about the horror of this tape, oh, give me a break! I mean, Hollywood is constantly putting all this schlock in prime time, but, oh, now they’re suddenly fainting Victorian virgins? As usual, the media so overplayed their hand that even besides the fact that a, nothing could have stopped Trump, the media made sure the Access Hollywood tape wasn’t going to stop Trump. And then c, it was great when he brought the women that Bill Clinton had molested to the next debate. That was magnificent. But that was icing on the cake.>>… His relationship with, you know, now that he’s president, and during the campaign to some extent, with friendly media, with Fox and conservative radio and Breitbart and all is—there’s a simpatico there. There’s a back-and-forth. There’s Hannity coming up and giving speeches. There’s a connection there that he seems to depend upon. He retweets the stuff that he’s getting from people. … The fact of whether he’s quoting from you or he’s, you know, he’s having conversations with Hannity and then repeating the same thing the next day in a speech or in a tweet, what’s—what’s going on with that relationship, and how different is that than any other president has ever had?>>Well, I’m not a Democrat, so I can’t speak to the loyalty of Democrats, but my impressionistic view is that Trump is the most disloyal person I’ve ever seen. No, in fact, he doesn’t give interviews to Breitbart, the website that supported him when Fox News was bashing him night after night after night. He does not give interviews to Daily Caller. He has absolutely no loyalty to anyone but himself. And if you happen to be a TV—a TV talk host who’s going to stick your nose up his butt every night, yes, he’ll pat you on the head and give you interviews. But in terms of rewarding the media that supported him? Oh, my gosh, he’s disloyal. He calls Maggie Haberman of The New York Times every day. Why was he giving that interview to Lester Holt where he said, “I was going to fire [James] Comey anyway”? Why are you talking to Lester Holt? All he wants is for the mainstream media to love him. It’s kind of cross-messaging when you’re telling your supporters it’s fake news, it’s fake news, it’s fake news, and all you want is praise from them, other than Hannity and Fox & Friends. … >>So he has—very early on he basically takes over the messaging, very early. In February he’s calling the mainstream media the “enemy of the people.” >>I think it’s a great message. I wish he wouldn’t—>>It’s in your books as well. You agree with him about the media. So explain what is going on with that part of the relationship. … But what’s going on with the message, taking over the message, battering the media constantly, and what are the consequences of that?>>I don’t think any progress can be made on anything in America until the media is destroyed and replaced by something with integrity. I mean, Trump, as usual, his actions are not consistent with his words, which is to say he denounces New York Times and, you know, ABC, NBC, CBS as “fake news,” but oh, does he suck up to them; that’s all he wants, the interview— “Oh, clear my schedule, Maggie Haberman’s coming in”— and then totally disses Breitbart. So kind of, like with the wall, we get great tweets on immigration, but he’s not actually doing it. But I do think the words he’s saying, at least we’re getting that out of him. I was hoping for more, but at least we’re getting the words. And I think that is useful. One of the—one of the great things Trump has done is to give a word for—for concepts. I mean, it was an important point George Orwell made— I think it was Orwell— that until you have a word for something, you don’t understand it; that there’s no part of your brain that— “the swamp,” “fake news.” What are some of the other ones? “Low energy” was a good one; that was a really good one. … But the “fake news” one, I mean, that could be the only thing we get out of this presidency, to run down—and boy, the media sure isn’t giving him any pushback on this. … ABC, NBC, CBS, they are embarrassing themselves over and over and over again. >>… The first week he comes out with the executive orders and the travel ban immediately. So what’s your view of that? And on the other side of it is, one of the seven executive orders that had been written up was on DACA [Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals], and that one doesn’t show up. So what’s your overview of those initial executive orders, and, you know, what are the results? What’s at stake here?>>Well, the country is what’s at stake. The first few weeks were good is my—is my conclusion. I mean, the Muslim ban, as it’s called, it was upheld by the Supreme Court. And as some of us said, it always would be. Ooh, wow, you wouldn’t know that, speaking of fake news, from reading The New York Times, from watching ABC. And ooh, it’s the most [unconstitutional]—he’s like Hitler! Upheld by the Supreme Court. >>The third version.>>Any of them would have been. Read the opinion. It’s in the Constitution. It’s in statutory law. The president can exclude [Congress]—I mean, there are laws on the books that were passed by both Republicans and Democrats in banging out compromises. And we agree to a bill, and we send it up, and the president gets it signed, and it’s been on the books for decades, and it says the president can exclude any immigrants for any reasons in the best interest of the United States.>>And the message sent with that coming out as quickly as it did? … >>It was—I think it was just— I think probably for the first few weeks of his presidency, he had some vague idea of keeping his promises. That was abandoned very quickly. Decided it’s more fun just to tweet and promote Ivanka [Trump]’s shoe company or something. But yeah, it’s an easy promise. Frankly, all of his promises— among the brilliant things about his campaign, and it was a magnificent campaign, and I write in In Trump We Trust again, all of his immigration promises, he doesn’t need Congress for. As I wrote in In Trump We Trust, what was so clever about it was, a lot of it is just enforcing laws on the books. A lot of it is up to the president as commander in chief. The only thing he needed Congress for of his central campaign promises was overturning Obamacare. So I’m sick of hearing the 3D chess crowd say, “Oh, he can’t because of Congress.” No, read In Trump We Trust! That was the brilliance of his campaign. He is the commander in chief; his number one duty is to protect the borders of the United States. For 200 years that’s what our military did. We built fortresses along the border. There are Treasury regulations. He’s head of the executive branch. He could tax remittances, the billions of dollars being sent mostly by illegal aliens from this country back to Mexico. Tax the remittances. I don’t even know who’s against that. Doesn’t Wall Street make some money on— are they the ones against this? That’s how Mexico pays for the wall. You put a 10% tax on I think it’s— I think it’s something like $20 billion is sent every year. It’s an astonishing amount that gets sent out of here. You put a small tax on that, Mexico’s paying for the wall! You keep a promise. And there are Treasury regulations passed after 9/11 that allow—allow the Treasury Department by itself to put— to put regulations on transactions. So he could do that without Congress. He can overturn the unconstitutional “I’m going to give amnesty to ‘Dreamers’” thing that Obama passed after saying— for six years, for seven years, Obama is telling Hispanic groups, “I don’t have the constitutional authority to pass this law or to issue an executive order; I need Congress.” Congress doesn’t pass it, and then he says, “I’m going to do it.” So we have it on the authority of constitutional law professor Barack Obama that his DACA executive order is unconstitutional. Trump can’t even write an executive order ending it?>>Why? Why didn’t the executive order— certainly Sessions and Miller are in there pushing big time. Bannon as well, supposedly. What was going on there? What was the view of your audience to that?>>Well, some of us are a little upset that he hasn’t kept his promises, more than I think you will hear from publicly, because the media has made itself the enemy of the people. And I think—and look, I understand this. I think somebody’s got to try to hold his feet to the fire. We have a few months left to get— to get anything out of this guy. I mean, even if he wins reelection, is he more or less likely to keep his promises when he isn’t facing another election? … I’ll fall on my sword and keep attacking him for not keeping his promises, but I must say I understand the feeling of the—I mean, I don’t think I could debase myself enough to start claiming he’s playing 3D chess. No, he’s not playing 3D chess. He’s lazy, narcissistic. I don’t know what the reasons were. Never believed it to begin with. Who knows? But he’s not keeping his promises, and don’t tell me 3D chess. …>>So let’s talk about the Dreamers. So Sessions sets a deadline. In August—it was August of ’17. … Trump seems to be torn on the Dreamers specifically on what should happen. And he goes back and forth, and everybody talks about, you know, the two sides of the White House pushing him in either direction. What was going on there? Why didn’t he act? Was—could you tell from your conversations with people that there was a divide, an actual divide? … >>For a president who knows things and has beliefs, like Ronald Reagan, he could surround himself with people who don’t believe the same things he does and still accomplish a lot. It would be harder, but he could do it. For a president who doesn’t know a lot about the subject and maybe doesn’t quite care so much, to surround himself with his kids and with the exact RNC [Republican National Committee] flacks he ran against and he beat and that the Republican Party base hates with the hot, hot hate of a thousand suns, you’re not going to get anything done. And that’s basically what we’ve seen over and over again with Trump on the immigration issue. … And there’s no one in that immigration bureau— maybe there’s, you know, one, one person who agreed with Trump, but not the head of Homeland Security. >>Why is that?>>Trump hired these people. >>What does that mean? I mean, I thought Trump was the guy— this is what he promised to do. So why is he hiring people that disagree with what his tenets are?>>Why he surrounded himself by people actively opposed to his agenda and let Paul Ryan take over his agenda for the first two years when he had a Republican House and Republican Senate, “No, let’s do all the stuff on the loser GOP’s to-do list. Let’s not do the popular stuff that won this very unlikely person the presidency.” Why he did that, who knows? Who knows? He has surrounded himself with people who disagree with him. Why did he hire his kids? I mean, I don’t know. Does he believe any of it? Is he a con-man liar and this was just a good gig? Again, picked up the $1,000 bill lying on the ground because no other Republican was willing to run on popular issues. Or is he just lazy? Yeah, he does believe it, but if it’s going to take a phone call— “I have to call [Sen.] Mitch McConnell? Nah, let them do whatever they want.” Could be laziness. Could be narcissism: “They love me for me!” Who knows? But he has surrounded himself by people who don’t agree with his agenda, and that’s why very, very, very little is getting done.>>So let’s go the Jan. 9 meeting. So this is Trump, [Speaker of the House Nancy] Pelosi’s in the room, other Democratic leaders. And he’s talking about, let’s figure out a way to deal with the Dreamer issue. [If] you come up with something good, I’m going to sign it. And it’s all recorded because he wants the cameras in the room.>>Yep!>>You came out very strongly at this point condemning this DACA love fest. What—what did you see going on, and the significance of it and your attitude on it, and your audience’s attitude on it?>>It was unbelievable. I mean, the one saving grace at the time, which is why I think the 3D chess crowd really ought to shut up and join me in our last few months to save the nation, he said a lot of dumb stuff during the campaign, too. I don’t know if you remember. I think it was the first debate, second debate. He was to Marco Rubio’s left on how he’s going to bring in all these H-1B workers and give Mark Zuckerberg whatever he wants. So back then, things were running— being run by people who a, know something about politics as opposed to marketing shoes; b, actually care about the issues that Trump was pushing and knew they were popular— Corey Lewandowski, Stephen Miller, moi. By the end of the debate, Trump put out a statement retracting what he had said about the H-1B visa. His immigration policy paper was magnificent. Did he write it? No, but he read it, I assume. He kept saying the same things over and over in speeches. You’d think at some point that would kind of stick in his brain. So that’s why we—we, I—punch back whenever he does something stupid, because he’s— he’s done stupid stuff before, but then he gets back on track. He got back on track a lot faster during the 2016 campaign because he cared about being elected. Again, I say to the 3D chess crowd, what’s the incentive in a second term? You think you’re going to get the wall then? >>So what happened in that meeting that you were watching and couldn’t believe or— or were punching back about?>>I don’t really remember distinctly. I just remember him saying he wanted to give amnesty to Dreamers. How many times do we have to win this fight?! It’s the craziest thing! Over and over and over again. And you know, I was saying in Adios, America, this is what Bush said about the terrorists: We have to win every time; they only have to win once, and the country is over.>>You called it the lowest day in his presidency. >>Yeah, until he signed the third omnibus bill not providing funding for the wall. Little did I know there was lower to come. >>Then—that was Tuesday. Then Thursday, the Thursday Trump. Tuesday Trump, Thursday Trump. [Sen. Dick] Durbin and [Sen. Lindsey] Graham come into the White House thinking, well, we’ve got— we’ve got some plans for an immigration deal; we’ve got—we’ve got possibilities here. Meanwhile, Miller, the way the story is told is Miller and with others involved sort of realized that this is a problem here; we’re going down the wrong track. And he makes some phone calls. I assume you might have been involved in the discussion that was going on. And all of a sudden you’ve got in the White House a lot of very conservative legislators who are in the same room, and there’s a very different president there. Explain. Tell me that story. What happened on Thursday?>>Well, I wasn’t in the room. I haven’t worked in the White House, but it seems, I think, perfectly apparent to me and anyone else who observes this president, he—he’s impulsive. He says things off the top of his head. He bears the impression of, like, a couch, bears the impression of the last person who sat on him. It’s just whoever gave him the last piece of advice, he goes out and says it, which is why it’s kind of important who he surrounds himself with.>>… It sounds like you’re asking for some sort of reform that Congress might push through, because without that, you don’t accomplish anything without negotiation to find an agreement between the sides of government. And here you have this meeting which seemed to have blown that to smithereens. I mean, what were the results of that meeting, and is there a problem—how does that define the problem in Washington to get anything done?>>No, I think the problem started sooner. Two things. Trump could put a pause on all immigration as we know from the Supreme Court ruling upholding the Muslim ban. Virtually all immigration. He could do it. It’s in the president’s hands. Congress passed law putting that in the president’s hands. And no, it’s not good for this country, and it’s not in the best interest of the country to be driving down wages more and more and more. That is not in the best interest of the country. I think that would be upheld by the Supreme Court. Point two: We had two years with a Republican House and a Republican Senate, and one of the things we’ve seen, even when Trump says— though I don’t particularly want to admit this to a Frontline audience— but even when he tweets something that is rather stupid, you will notice Republicans in Congress won’t attack him for it. Why? Because they know the Trump base will be angry at them if they attack him for saying something stupid. Think of the power he has! He couldn’t have gotten a Republican House and Republican Senate to vote for a moratorium on all immigration? Just a brief moratorium. We can assimilate the ones already here; we can get our books in order. The world isn’t going to fall apart, but you may have to pay your maid an extra couple of dollars. Sorry, Park Avenue! >>Let’s move on to “zero tolerance.” So then Sessions announces the zero tolerance policy. What was your audience’s view about zero tolerance? … >>Yeah, that’s why we wanted a wall. A, it made me angry that he hasn’t started the wall yet. But as long as we’re not going to have a wall, yeah, of course you’ve got to have zero tolerance policy. We’ve created a magnet. I mean, it’s not like we haven’t done this before. Reagan passed an amnesty, and one amnesty begets another amnesty; it begets more and more. You are creating a magnet for more and more illegal aliens to pour in, as every country that’s ever tried an amnesty has discovered, and never done it again. We do it because we happen to have Latin America on our border as opposed to, you know, the Tatars or the Russians. Luckily, luckily for the left, oh, they’re slightly beiger than we are so we can be accused of racism for not wanting illegal aliens pouring in. Well, we’re not vetting them. I don’t want them pouring in from Russia; I don’t want them pouring in from India; I don’t want them pouring in from Scotland, Japan or anyplace else. But oh, you get called a racist for wanting to stop illegal immigration. And that’s the only reason this is still a live issue in America. Every other country tries it and says, “Oh, my gosh, this is insane.” In fact, Spain famously asked the EU for help when they were having migrants just pouring in, pouring in. They said, “We can’t—we can’t stop this.” And the EU crossed its arms and said, “You guys passed an amnesty a few years ago; you did this to yourselves.” Well, we did it to ourselves. The only way to—before you talk about anything that’s going to be … done with the Dreamers, you have to cut off the flow of the new ones coming more and more and more. And my gosh, if you’re giving them driver’s licenses and, you know, free health care and amnestying them— it isn’t multicultural. We are getting one culture coming in. Bangladeshis don’t happen to live within walking distance. So liberals just say, “Fine, screw them”? They’re not being vetted for crimes, for membership in gangs, for even, you know, at Ellis Island they’d slap you on the back, make you cough and see if you have tuberculosis. Now we’re getting all kinds of things coming in. We have no idea. …>>So why the executive order that the president then puts out that ends the system [of family separation]?>>Because Ivanka cried. >>Explain.>>I don’t know. Maybe he had to. I don’t think so. I think Americans are really fed up with this. I mean, Americans are the most generous people in the world. It’s manifest by their giving, private giving. Whenever there’s a tsunami, an earthquake, a warlord who is rushing in to—so Americans have very soft hearts. But when you’ve been tapped on the shoulder over and over again, and it keeps turning out to be a con man, and they’re moving in, and they’re Gypsies, and they’ve taken over your house, at some point your patience wears out. And it doesn’t matter that the Gypsy has the crying baby, or the begging baby, I guess they’re called in India. I think there—this was a politically engineered crisis. Storm the border so that we can get the pictures. And I think enough Americans understand that.>>And your attitude about the president’s decision? >>No strong position. Build the wall. Build the wall.>>But I’m talking about here.>>I know you are. I’m saying build the wall. You can try to get me to say something else. I don’t really have a position on what you asked me about. The only position I have is build the wall. You wouldn’t have to go through this if you had kept your number one campaign promise. Build the wall.>>So he then says he’s going to. So the fight over the—in December 2018, the fight over the budget, and he’s, you know, demanding the $5 billion for the wall, and it’s not going to be in the funding bill.>>For the third time.>>For the third time. But he’s waffling about it. But then there’s pressure brought by Freedom Caucus and others, the press and other advisers, like Miller.>>No, Miller let three omnibus bills be signed. Stop acting like he’s, you know, the [first grand inquisitor of the Spanish Inquisition Tomás de] Torquemada of immigration. All of this happened on his watch. >>But Fox and you—>>Nope! Not Fox!>>Not Fox?>>Do not be confused by that. Absolutely not. >>Explain.>>It was Drudge Report and Drudge Report alone that alerted—I know it alerted me, and I think it alerted Rush Limbaugh. It was a Tuesday. Drudge Report headline—you ought to get that headline— “President to sign bill with no wall funding.” I wrote the column that night when I was flying. And when I arrived—I never watched Fox News, but I thought, you know, because they really, really, really want amnesty, really want to fling open the border, maids aren’t cheap enough, I watched to see how was this going to be covered on prime time. Not mentioned. Nope, not Tuesday night. Rush, God bless him, railed about it on radio the next day. I don’t think it was mentioned in Fox prime time until Thursday. Well, it was over by then. Between my column, put that at number 1,000, between Drudge and Rush, and Drudge did link to my column, so that upped it from 1,000 to having some influence on it. Oh, no, Fox News was silent. Didn’t mention it. There was other news. Didn’t mention it.>>And the results were? The government closes down.>>Yeah.>>So your—your view of that and how long it goes on and the results.>>The results were terrible. It couldn’t have been worse. So you shut down the government for no reason, and then you get, ooh, scared because the media is saying, oh, everybody’s going to be so mad at you. And by the way, the government didn’t shut down. That shows you if only Trump had someone, someone in administration who knew something about the government. Almost every department was already funded. I mean, the hard-luck stories, they were, you know, scraping the bottom of the barrel for on MSNBC were a joke. They’re going—every government official is going— not official; it was, I think it was only support staff, but every major department was funded. Essential employees stay on duty during government shutdowns. … But they’re all terrified. They were all, “Ooh, I’m going to have to have a garage sale.” Oh, you are not. You get a free vacation, government gift shop worker. Free vacation, and you get full back pay. You always have. It will always work that way. But ooh, they freak out in the White House, and the deal Trump ended up making was even worse. >>Mistake?>>Yeah, of course it was a mistake. I mean, what Trump proved— I don’t know why he can’t learn from his own campaign. He ran a beautiful campaign, and what he should have learned from his campaign was, number one, don’t listen to donors. They hate America. You don’t need their money. Number two, don’t freak out and become a scaredy cat when the media attacks you! It’s good for you! It helps you! And they freaked out in the White House.>>… So, we’ll come up to the present, move closer to the present now. So by March of 2019, the border crisis is getting worse, and the arrests are at a two-year high. Your view of why it’s grown to this extent, why the crisis has become worse and worse during this period of time. Is it—is any of this due to Trump? >>It’s all—well, you can’t say it’s all due to Trump, but none of this would exist if Trump had simply hired some people who knew how to keep his promises. Whether that’s because he doesn’t care about his promises or he’s just a lazy narcissist, who knows? But that’s the fact. He didn’t hire the people who can get it done. And it’s not getting done. And yes, it’s worse than it’s ever been. It’s worse than it would have been under Hillary; Hillary would know she couldn’t get away with this. It’s worse than it was under Obama. It’s an absolute disaster. And he seems to have no interest—he, the president— no interest in finding out how to make it any better. As long as he goes out and says something wild about the press and gets unfairly attacked, unfairly attacked by all the Democrats, unfairly attacked by the media, lied about in the media, that’s going to keep bringing the base back. And I think we should support him when he’s unfairly attacked. I would just like it to be him being unfairly attacked for doing something and not tweeting something. >>The level of frustration is very high in the White House at this point. He’s very frustrated. His anger is growing at the people around him. This is when you’re also attacking the DHS leadership. And he eventually comes around to firing [Secretary Kirstjen] Nielsen, firing others involved in DHS and trying to—I assume this is his answer to trying to do the next thing, trying to do something. He wants tougher people. He wants tougher policies. He wants people to do what he says he wants them to do.>>Talk, talk, talk. That’s what he says. Doesn’t do anything that would accomplish that. He puts something in charge who’s as bad as Nielsen. So you got rid of one bad and absolutely idiotic choice for the single most important department in your administration, Department of Homeland Security, and replaced her with someone equally bad. Way to go, Mr. President!>>And the answer would have been?>>Kris Kobach, as it would have been from day one. I’ve got to tell you, you can look back at my columns a month after his election, during the transition, when he did not immediately announce that it was going to be Kris Kobach, I said this is—I predicted ball and pocket what was going to happen if you don’t surround yourself with people who know how to get this done. You’re going to be lied to. You will have bureaucrats saying, “Oh, you can’t do that.” They’ll make the wrong arguments in court. They’ll make the wrong arguments on TV, and you won’t get any of it done. Hire Kris Kobach. He never hired Kris Kobach. … No, Kobach is a lovely person. There is not—he is rhetorically the molecular opposite of Donald Trump. He is the Marshall Scholar version of someone who loves our country. He understands the policies. There would be nothing being, you know, running roughshod over the law or immigrants. He’s a kind person. … >>And the argument made by Nielsen and others in the DHS was they were attempting to do the things that the president wanted, but they weren’t able to do it because of legalities, and they were trying to slow things down so they would take place in a way that would hold up in the courts.>>That’s almost verbatim what I predicted would happen if he didn’t hire the right people. This is what they’ll tell you, Mr. President: “Oh, we can’t; there’s a court ruling against that.” Oh, my gosh. It is so easy to stop something if you don’t want it done, and the entire bureaucracy doesn’t want it done. Like I say, it would be tough even for Reagan to accomplish his agenda if he didn’t surround himself with people who knew what they were doing. Tough, but possible. With someone who himself has no idea what’s going on and no particular strong beliefs that it should be done? Not a chance. >>… So you kind of discount—the way that it’s reported in a lot of places is that Miller is really the one behind it. >>Yes, the media has that 100% wrong.>>Tell me one more time. A lot of people say right now he’s the one that got Nielsen fired; he’s the one that is pushing forward these much more aggressive policies than anybody else. And so he’s the guy who’s the last man standing.>>The media have this totally wrong. It’s hilarious. I’m sure he’s enjoying it. No, he’s the one who kept immigration patriots out of the White House because he wants to be the only one; he wants the full credit, and he wants Trump to only check with him. By the way, where was he when his old boss Jeff Sessions, the attorney general, was being humiliated day after day after day by the president? Was he going in, slapping president on the back, “Nice job, yeah. That Sessions, you’re right. He’s—”? And furthermore, there was only lonely voice in the woods who said that Sessions should not be AG. I wanted him—I said put him in immigration; put him in Homeland. And I was told, “Oh, he’s always wanted to be attorney general.” I said, “We’ve got 10 seconds on the clock to save the nation. This isn’t Make-a-Wish Foundation. Don’t put him there.” I mean, he was great. He did more than anybody else in the administration. But I mean, I would have put [William] Barr. He’s very—the attorney general does have to do things other than immigration. Barr is very smart, very good, has worked in Department of Justice before. We should have kept— I would have kept Sessions in the Senate. We’ve lost a senator. Now he was replaced by a Democrat because of more idiocy from the White House, endorsing the establishment, pro-amnesty candidate because Mitch McConnell asked him to. And then we end up with Roy Moore instead of just endorsing Mo Brooks to begin with. No, no! Can’t do that! Because that would be a good idea.>>Why does Trump do that?>>The story was that McConnell told [Jared] Kushner that he wanted Trump to endorse Luther Strange, the pro-amnesty Republican. Good thinking. That was a good move. >>But then eventually—>>Well, Strange, of course, lost.>>Right, and then eventually Trump supports Moore. But at that point—>>What else are you going to do? That’s against the Democrat. So in the most conservative state in the union, we now have a Democratic senator because of the genius machinations of Jared Kushner and Mitch McConnell. So good, you know, to have people who know what they’re doing. Trump’s like the guy who, you know, breaks up a marriage and then refuses to marry the—marry the wife. He gets Sessions out of the Senate and then blows the Senate seat.>>Just to finalize on Sessions and whatever Miller does or does not do, Bannon, who is involved with them in the very beginning on these issues on immigration, how much do they actually get done in the end? Did they accomplish—how many of the goals that Sessions specifically was trying to accomplish?>>Sessions did some stuff. I—I—I’m not sure. Sessions did some things; it would be hard to quantify that. It was the only place, pretty much, that anything was being done on Trump’s promises. So it was really fun to watch Trump humiliating Sessions every day on Twitter, the one guy keeping your promises. But look, it’s all about personnel. It’s all about personnel. If he cared, he’d hire the right people.

100 thoughts on “Zero Tolerance: Ann Coulter Interview | FRONTLINE

  1. This interview was conducted with FRONTLINE during the making of our documentary “Zero Tolerance.” Watch the full film, here:

  2. She nails it: No progress can be made anywhere until the media is destroyed!
    She nails it again: Globalist elites do not care what happens to America, but most Americans do!
    Ann trash talks Trump, points out his obvious faults, but she knows, at the end of the day, he’s saving the nation.

  3. I've seen Ann Coulter many times but I never realized how smart she was until this interview. She needs to stop doing The View with all tthose leftist idiots and stick with this type of interview.

  4. Who Else Would You have Voted For or Will vote For? Let's Hope he gets a second term and actually Drains the Swamp, finishes the wall etc. We Know no Dems Will.

  5. I love Ann, but she needs to pay attention to the facts. Judges have been blocking President Trump from doing most of what he's promised. He is trying to get new judges, or in front of the SCOTUS, for years.

  6. "Does [Trump] believe any of it? Is he a con-man liar and this was just a good gig?"


    That Coulter still hasn't grasped that throws into doubt any credibility she may otherwise have.

  7. Many of us who grew up in California saw what was coming before Ann Coulter ever got on the issue. In barely one generation, California went from a state that removed a sitting Chief Justice of its supreme court (Rose Bird) for being too liberal into one-party Democrat rule. This isn't because the left won any battle of ideas; it's because of mass immigration–legal and illegal–and the destruction of the state's middle class.

  8. Well, I got through 16 minutes of this and while I have no idea of what she is talking about, and despite the frequent hair waving, I'm not sure that I ever will. She did plug her books, which might increase the sales. For someone of her wealth and influence, she seems so sad. Maybe this interview will make her feel better. Maybe if she sold more books and was wealthier she would be happy. Maybe?

  9. The American people voted by millions for Clinton. It was the establishment that elected this evil man.

  10. Wow. The only person who can criticize Trump and not get his base mad? A lot of “I love her” and “wow, she’s amazing” yet nobody says she’s right. Trump only cares about himself. He’s a con. He a liar. It’s like they can’t accept that. A cult indeed. I disagree with AC. But she’s an independent thinker and recognize trump bs. Trump base can’t.

  11. Ann, I love you, but you talk a lot of shit along with the stuff that is correct. The reason he surrounds himself with family because he can trust them, and he is an outsider and doesn't know the people to fill the posts you're speaking of. You want everyone to join YOU in saving the nation. You?! The wall is being built, Ive seen it being done, I see the rail cars come into a yard next to the property I work, and I know the man that owns the trucking company that is taking the steel to the border, a lot of it. Do you think anyone is going is going to listen to someone who is calling you stupid all the time. Ann, you need to get off of your self righteous soap box before its too late. You should stop saying that nothing is getting done, because it is. He can't work on just immigration every day, and you're pissed off about it. Get over your self. You're iike a broken mo**er f**kin' record, F**K!


  13. Could be that you STILL don't understand Trump's REAL STRATEGY… which is to EXPOSE the DEEP STATE to the uninformed Majority. Without that, there won't be a majority who understand how deep the deep state truly is… and you keep saying he hasn't started the wall! Wake up Ann, you're NOT really paying attention. You, Coulter, are a bigger narcissist that Trump ever was.

  14. Trump has almost completed 500 miles of the wall, also I find she knows everything , and never wrong , ( like the world would stop without me .) – i hated , well didn't like Mr Trump in ( your fired, or miss America days ) just a rich billionaire look at me. Not now I love the man, I can't believe I was so wrong about him . if anything she like a female trump.

  15. She has brilliantly pointed out Trumps weaknesses. I support Trump but have always questioned why he has picked certain people to serve in his cabinet. It is a physiological problem Trump seems to have. He has a narcissistic desire to change the views of those that dislike him, which is one of his biggest faults.

  16. …Coulter has stated the all or nothing conservative line as well as anyone – including the defunct Tea Party folks of the last decade – eschewing the very Buckley/Reagan-esque wisdom which made Trump presidency possible – "vote for the most conservative candidate that can win". She's essentially an after-the-fact never-Trumper who can hedge her bets with ambiguous cognitive dissonance, allowing that those with their noses up the behind of Trump can get air time with him, but NEVER conceding that the CRUSH of contemporary lame stream coverage has been anti-conservative. If folks at Fox were a bit conspicuous in their coverage of the current POTUS, maybe we can observe that they "came by it honest" if we're as open-minded as this video and its acolytes like to pretend in advocacy that does not toe the recent misinformation industry ("journalism" – HAA!!) line…

  17. "he could be a con man. or a liar". "Or maybe he's lazy?" Brave, Comrade. Captivating dialogue; spot-on observations. "Good thing we have Mexico on our border. And not the Tartars!" High comedy. "Because Ivanka cried?!" Ka-Pow! (Hire a food-taster, Ms Coulter, and have friends turn-over car starter for ya!)

  18. I've been vocal about alternative media helping Trump but he don't care about them getting censored all he does is talk to the media he calls FakeNews hes a ungrateful douche

  19. I have a newfound respect for Ann Coulter. She's 57 and still sharp as a tack (and still looking good, if I might say), and she's absolutely on-point about immigration.

  20. As a lifelong liberal ( I wouldn't say Democrat) I've always respected Ann. I don't respect all of her views, but she's smart and she "get's it" more than most conservative talking heads. And she goes toe to toe with Bill Maher, and those are always the best moments.

  21. Ms. Coulter's frustration with Trump echoes what many citizens have felt for decades. Who is our Federal Government representing? It ain't the people.

  22. Ann Coulter your slowly getting it?

    It's called Hegallian Dialectic and both sides are actually working behind the scenes for the same outcome…The public is none the wiser and kept in a state of confusion whilst both sides start erasing your way of life…

  23. Ann Coulter youre a loser and you need to take your Balls and go home Pres trump will get reelected SO Stop the Hate.

  24. Ann Coulter is one of those people that makes up strawman arguments that no one argues for and pretends that Lefties are for and Rightwingers who have no clue what the left wants would believe.

  25. Wow I was just thinking of her I mean literally I wondered I hadn't heard anything about her in a long long time and then it shifted over and there she was ,,

  26. "He bears the impression of the last person who sat on him", damn, she's funny! 🙂

    I didn't think I could stand listening to her for this long but she is entertaining.

  27. I totally agree , there’s a few people that if they didn’t say it , it ain’t the truth and Ann is one of them, she don’t lie.

  28. Not a fan of Coulter but I have to say, good interview. I get to see a different side of Trump (which I'm not a fan of either) and Coulter herself (She not just a racist but pretty smart). Her Adams apple is distracting.

  29. If we vote for democrats, we get open borders for big business, legal and illegal non white immigration to replace whites, amnesty for illegals and of course endless wars in the middle east for Israel.

    If we vote for republicans we get open borders for big business, legal and illegal non white immigration to replace whites, amnesty for illegals and of course endless wars in the middle east for Israel.

    Voting hasn't worked. Time to explore other options.

  30. As to Ann Coulter's quandary as to why Trump filled his administration with people who oppose his agenda. I think the main answer is that nearly everyone with the credentials to be considered qualified for high level positions in an administration are people from the Bush or Obama administration who are all deep staters.

  31. Look at the Rust Belt. It already IS a hellhole !! Duh ! Migration is secondary
    to the Chinese takeover. Jobs exported to cheap labour in China.
    Even the Chinese found that a wall is not that effective.Migrants can use
    boats along California coast. Such primitive propaganda.

  32. FOX FOX FOX. That's all leftists ever say. It's another "Myth" like "White Supremacy". And they say it, as if they don't have CNN, MSNBC, Headline News, ABC, NBC, CBS and PBS. I haven't watched FOX in at least 10 years. I think E.D. Hill was still there. Yes conservatives watch a few shows Hannity and Carlson but about 20 hours of the day, FOX is considered far left by most Trump supporters standards. I only have time for a couple shows a day and they are Savage and The Beached Whale. Love those guys. But even i can't take The Nail Gun.

  33. Ann has more TDS than most. I use to love her until I saw she was just an inside democrat. To call Trump lazy over and over Ann my lying eyes can see.

  34. Lots of good points…but…Immigration attack that all are murders and rapists…This country was born of outcasts and criminals…Who believes a born scorpion can grow up to be a cute little bunny…or noble eagle…? Then show it…Build the wall…and all that are in…are in…like the closing of a business…for primary processing that could include background crimes, and deportation…

  35. I get and agree that immigration is a disaster. One thing….. is it possible that by taking a draconian stance on immigration and aggressively making changes, we could do some businesses great harm? in other words is it a factor that immigration has influenced our economy to the point where we would do great harm to solve it in one administration cycle? I am just asking because this issue has cycled over and over again. Trump is taking on China in a way never seen before. Would he be like WW2 Germany taking on too many fronts at one time?

  36. It is worth noting that Ann feels betrayed. I'm not sure her opinion is 100% right. Her thinking that she has been scammed actually IS a correct statement, but I don't think any of it is coming from Trump. MSM scams and most D's scam and Soros scams but I don't believe Trump scams. Ann is super jaded. What I see is Trump is trying to get things done for the U.S. and the massively crooked are trying to thwart that, no matter who pays.

  37. any immigration bill even with some amnesty for dreamers etc. is better than status quo which does not reflect complexity of immigration issues, and difficulties of enforcement. This hard line approach is counterproductive and has done nothing to reduce illegal immigration. Strict laws without enforcement are useless.

  38. People will realize far too late the effects of overpopulation on our lives. The ecology, jobs, housing, crime, the turn towards Socialism/Marxism it all comes from too many humans. Quality of life is heading straight down. And diversity is a complete and utter lie, it creates mistrust and breaks apart social cohesion. Studies have proven it, not to mention the examples of it across the nation and the world.

  39. Ann is some Gal – its who and how that gets the job done. Don the Con was the wrong choice. Still time to find a better candidate who is not so divisive and has no money hang ups and keeps guns and religion out of it. Get rid of Kavanagh that was a GOP horror story. The whole show needs to be cleaned up and the PACS/ Lobbyists shown the door

  40. Although she is right that immigration helped Trump win, she also fails to acknowledge that Trump literally outflanked Hillary by going to the left of her on trade, believe it or not. If a left populist like Bernie Sanders comes to become the nominee I really see Trump losing. The strategy behind Trump and his team is to elevate people like Biden, Warren because I genuinely believe Trump can defeat them. It's no coincidence that Trump has yet to criticize Bernie at all. Keep an eye on it people. The establishment believes that Trump is too stupid to win again but little do they know that he is literally playing them like a fiddle and helping his cause.

  41. I'm a true blue Democrat who really enjoyed this interview. I was engaged because it wasn't her simply bashing the Democrats but talking about the issues. I wish the interviewer would've delved deeper into her opinions on America's role in international affairs. She is pushing for isolationist policies, but the realities are we live in a global economy and can't ignore what is happening in our southern border and throughout the world. Shutting people out of our country doesn't resolve the problem. You want to solve immigration, help to improve the conditions in countries like Nicaragua, Honduras, and other countries overrun by crime and poor living conditions. People don't want to leave their homes, they're forced to leave them. Building a wall won't keep them out. Only solving the root problem will do so.

  42. Its weird how someone suddenly makes a lot more sense when what they are actually saying isn't edited and purposely taken out of context.

  43. She was correct about immigration. It is too late, now. The American demographic has been irrevocably shifted away from the Caucasian race and it was an intentional tactic implemented by the Globalist Bankers. They won.

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