Why Do We Remember War? | Philosophy Tube

Why Do We Remember War? | Philosophy Tube

around this time of year a lot of Countries remember those who served in wars in The UK many people wear red poppies in The US and Canada they have Veterans Day but why do we remember these wars is it to ensure that they never happen again or In a strange way is it to ensure that they do happen again? In order to answer this question, we’re going to have to look at Nationalism Political scientist Benedict Anderson said that there’s no stronger symbol of Nationalism than the tomb of the unknown soldier A lot of countries have these and the whole point is that we know nothing about the person inside the tomb? except that they share our nationality many of them are in fact empty the tombs are full anderson says of National imaginings and from this he draws a link between nationalism and war killing Death the cultural significance of such monuments becomes even clearer if one tries to iMagine say a tomb of the unknown Marxist or a cenotaph for fallen liberals is a sense of absurdity avoidable the reason is that neither? Marxism nor liberalism are much concerned with death and immortality Anderson thought it’s very weird that nationalism has inspired so much death So many people dying and willing to die and kill For their country, but if you say, I’m going to die for my country What is it that you’re willing to die for there? Is it your home Well your home is just a tiny part of the nation is it your fellow Countrymen well what links you to them most of the people in your country you will never meet and what makes them different from Foreigners in terms of your willingness to die for them is it freedom? Independence? Democracy? Well lots of countries have those so why are you willing to die for this particular? Country’s freedom independence Democracy, what is it that links you to your nation and its people well Norwegian Sociologist Johan galtung says that nationalism is Constructed out of a shared belief in trauma and Glory here again We see the link between nationalism and death when a nation believes that they share Glory points That’s them believing that past uses of violence were legitimate and good when a nation believes they share trauma points That’s them believing that future violence against those who inflicted the trauma would be legitimate So maybe what links you to your nation is a shared sense of military history After a war, (Johan) Galtung says that nations can have a lingering DMA complex. A system of beliefs and values about the War that make future Wars more likely. The D stands for Dichotomy. When the nation remembers the war they imagined that they and their enemies were totally different and there were no similarities. The M stands for manichaean. They believed that the enemy was 100% evil and they were 100% good and the A stands for Armageddon the War was significant. important. eternally Important. the upshot of This DMA complex this system of beliefs about the war is that if there is any hint that the war might not really be over people jump to legitimize further violence let’s use an example I know my brain could use one as we know the uk fought against the Nazis in World War two last year our parliament debated whether or not to commit airstrikes in Syria and one of our politicians a man named hillary been Explicitly compared the so-called islamic state to the Nazis in order to justify Killing them he was criticized at the time even by people who agreed with his conclusions for over simple find both World War two and the present war for using the British DMA complex a particular interpretation of our military history To justify a militarized future That way of remembering world war two Didn’t make future wars less likely in actually caused one you might think that remembrance services and Veterans day Aren’t about justifying past or future violence. They’re just about remembering it but last year another of our politicians Jeremy Corbyn was heavily criticized for wearing one of these a white poppy the white Poppy serves the same function of remembrance But it also says that the wearer believes that war is not a good method of solving Conflict And the question I invite you to ask yourself is Why would wearing a white poppy be a controversial statement if the red one isn’t about? justifying violence It has been argued by a lot of people that the way we currently remember wars and Honor veterans Reinforces the DMA-complex which makes future wars more likely I want to draw on a point by the historian Edward Said here And say that criticizing cultural symbols is not to devalue them to talk about Britain’s firebombing of Dresden or Churchill’s contribution to the Bengal Famine is not to say that they are 100% evil and should never be talked about It’s never that simple Rather it’s to appreciate their true value to look at them honestly and in detail and say that they were products of their time and therefore They present an opportunity to transcend their limitations and do better in our time That’s something we can’t do if we romanticize our history Especially the nasty parts, but I wonder what happens when different groups within the same nation Have different trauma and Glory points African-Americans and first nation Americans have very different trauma and glory scores from say white Americans Because the USA was built on the slavery and genocide of the first two groups by the third And so you get different kinds of nationalism emerging the black nationalism of people like Marcus Garvey and Kwame toure? Was centered around? Dismantling Oppressive political and economic structures whereas white American nationalism is built around excluding those who are seen as Unruly because of their race the nationalism of first nation Canadian People’s is different again it’s often grounded in appeals to legal decisions that were made a long time ago the Mohawk people of Akwesasne for instance defend to this day their right to travel across their territory which the US-Canadian border cuts right through the middle of based on the wampum treaty of 1660 Or if you read Some first nation Canadian nationalist writing they are experts in Canadian legal and Case history They have to be in their excellent video on the difference between history and the past PBS idea channel say that history is an essentially interpretive process and so different Nationalisms will provoke different interpretations a white brit might look at Churchill’s historical role very differently from say a British person of Indian descent a White American might look at Columbus very differently from a first nation America both nationalisms both arguably Patriotism but very different nonetheless Remembrance services show us a country’s official Nationalism if you like the official version of military history which often reflects the beliefs of the dominant group in that? nation to [the] extent that the history in remembrance services is romanticized it might be what philosophers have variously called a simulacrum the hyperreal A copy without an original not so much a reflection of the past as a reflection of us In the present this remembrance Sunday I invite you to remember that history is Constructed you have to choose which events to focus on and fit them into a story that emphasizes the ones you think are important and so the telling and remembering of history will reflect the perspectives and political beliefs of the Storyteller patreon.com Slash Philosophy Tube allows me to keep paying the rent if you have one or two dollars a month that can really help me give someone free education and don’t forget to subscribe you

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  1. We remember to honor
    We honor to reward
    We reward because they did a service to the nation of which we are part of and therefore benefactor
    We reward so future soldiers know they will be rewarded
    And lastly we honor to discourage people being mean to veterans just because those people wish war wasnt necessary (this used to be a problem in america)
    The tomb of the unknown soldier is not tied to his nationality but rather to the fact the unknown soldier defended what i am currently benefitting from.

    Additionally we remember to remind ourselves the horror of war, why it should be avoided.
    We look at rows of identical crosses, countless dead. And we dont want more death. But we will fight to defend ourselves.

    Sometimes i think some philosophers just make up an imagined idea of why people do things and run with it. But what he described is not why i remember

    On the topic of the white poppy, i live in america but i think it's just rude to highjack the time to honor others in order to get some virtue signaling in. Or to get some message across. It's not about you or your message, it's like highjacking a funeral of a suicide to talk about how we can work to avoid suicides in the future and how suicide is selfish.

  2. that's strage. whenever I saw a unknown solider statue, I never once thought of nations. I always assumed that they were there for us to remember that every time somebody decides war is going to happen, thousands and thousands of all kinds of people (and probably mostly really young men who haven't even fully figured out who they are let alone had been truly able to dismiss manipulations and decide they wish to fight the war) die senselessly.

  3. Do you think not wearing a poppy is disrespectful or offensive? Or is the right not to wear one one of the values our armies fought for during those wars, the idea of "freedom"?

  4. In my hometown, which was invaded and had her citizens massacred by the Imperial Japanese Army in 1937, we have an annual memorial day on which air raid sirens are sounded all over the city for 30 minutes. It is supposed to remind us of the atrocity of war. In reality, unfortunately, it only manages to incite nationalistic hatred against Japan.

  5. First, you got my nationalism in a dander as you said that Canadians observed Veterans day, same as the USA. Remembrance Day is observed by all commonwealth nations, so, as a Canadian, I observe Remembrance day, and wear a poppy (although it looks a bit different than yours, no fancy green leaf). I fount it really distracting that you didn't know this, and wondered what you do think of Canada, that you don't think of it as a member of the Commonwealth?
    Second, there was a great thought provoking article on our public radio of about people not feeling welcome at Remembrance Day services as they either fought in a war for the other side or were child soldiers and had come to Canada as refugees, so were veterans but not for the right army. This article really drove home what you were talking about, and where I would usually appreciate Remembrance Day observances, this year, I couldn't stand them. I love my country, but not glorifying bloodshed.
    Thanks for the fantastic philosophy!

  6. +PhilosophyTube

    "History is a construction"

    I actually agree, but not in the same way you think, history is a construction because we do not have actual ocular testimony for most of our history and even then, witnesses have biases and memory isn´t very precise for most but a few events in our lifes, BUT, we do have sources, we do have archaeological evidence, we have a multidisciplinary team of experts working to re-construct history. So yes, History is a construction in the sense we must fill the gaps in our knowledge with speculation and such filling can and frequently is distorted by biases such as, as you said, nationalism), but this doesn´t mean what there isn´t a real history that actually happened, just as all effects have causes, all of history is the cause of our current world geopolitics and culture, history is real and we must make an effort to reconstruct in a way that correspond to the past, as unfiltered and unbiased as possible, and to do so we must take away all pride, all nationalism and all prejudices and take a good, hard look as our history, because there cannot be 2 possible, real interpretations of history, there is only one interpretation that is correct.

    Problem is: just as someone said in one of the socratic dialogues, when you find the truth, how do you know that it is the real interpretation? You don´t, just as Kant pointed out, we do not have any means to truly know the essence of the thing-in-itself, that doesn´t mean there isn´t a real interpretation of history and that we shouldn´t strive for it.

  7. people are willing to die for their country to defend and promote their country's unique values. Whether those values be secular or theocratic, liberal or conservative, globalist or nationalist. They believe their values are the best that exist and believe that those opposed to them are evil and must be vanquished. In the US, our primary values are defined by our founding documents (the declaration of independence and constitution). In the UK, your primary values may be defined by your kings and royalty going back all the way to King Arthur (whether or not he is mythical).

  8. As someone in the US, I've found it a bit odd that we have three days around the military and wars but zero days around peace. I came to the conclusion that we often think of peace as a kind of "absence of war" much like health is the absence of obvious ailments. Both perspectives tend to devalue preventative measures. A "peace memorial" makes little sense because the work of diplomatic efforts is on-going, even during war in some cases.

    I'm compelled by Veteran's Day because it forces people to consider those who fought a war and are still alive, and we should consider what our commitments are to them. The book "What It's Like to Go to War" argues that the demand to kill others fundamentally divides the soldier from the teachings of society and parts of their humanity. As a society, we have an obligation to invite those people back into society after demanding they break an essential covenant between people. Memorial Day is closer to what you have when considering memory, but I think Veteran's Day is about both the past and present rather than simply the past.

  9. That is exactly why countries with little history – or should I say past – of war have also very weak nationalism.
    Greetings from Brazil.

  10. Totally unrelated to the video:
    Have you seen Black Mirror?
    It seams to me that there is a lot of contemporary philosophical content, but I can't quite put my finger on it.

  11. Indeed, but if we are also concerned about not having too alienated societies are we not to make use of nationalistic symbols in order to manufacture a shared identity and reinforce, rather than prevent, solidarity between peoples living in a particular country? Of course the elements of this "national history" would be falsehoods, but they would serve a virtuous end.
    Not that I would ever be a nationalist, but do we not have some duty to try to mitigate extreme individualism?

  12. I was thinking about Said just before you mentioned him. This video was interesting, but I'm curious now: Derrida pointed out that so long as we think in terms of history we are formalists. I'm curious in that claim; your conclusion about history seems to be in line with Derrida's views.

  13. I believe the death rates caused by political violence have gone down significantly since WW2. If the DMA complex is so prevalent wouldn't we expect the opposite? I am curious how interpret this: is it evidence that we are becoming less and less nationalistic or that the theory is flawed in some respect?

  14. Thank you for this video. I've tried to but thinking and reflections into some context regarding remembrance. This has answered a lot of questions

  15. Can a country's DMA complex be built mostly on civil or internal wars? Because that could have a huge effect in differing nationalisms within the country, depending on how completely the official narrative can establish itself.

  16. the united states constitution, the united states declaration of independence and the bill of rights are the only reasons I have any pride or nationalism in America. In my opinion, America stands as the best modern adaptation of a free and secular republic, evolving with the growing pains and labored pace of society to better refine and demonstrate the notion that all Humans are equal and that we all have certain rights. I weep to think how fortuitous I was to be born in Los Angeles California, USA.  how lucky to be free to think, speak, write and live in any way I choose and exercise my fair share of the rights bestowed by citizenship. many places I could have been born are the exact opposite of this. aggressive people tend to think aggressively. nationalism is just the mode through which they perform their aggressive behavior.

  17. My first comment on youtube. It was a really great speech! I wonder how many lives could be saved if Humanity had the capacity to understand the consequences of the environment in our perception of reality. Keep sharing! Good luck.

  18. One reason the white poppy might cause offense is because it can easily be interpreted as an implicit accusation that red poppy wearers are pro-war, which I'm sure many red poppy wearers would take offense to

  19. So here in New Zealand we don't do Remembrance Day or Veterans Day, instead we have ANZAC Day which commemorates a vast number of Australian and NZ troops dying pointlessly in WWI due to horrendous decisions by military leadership. (http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/war/the-gallipoli-campaign/introduction) It's been getting increasingly fraught lately as people have started challenging the tradition "war = honour" narrative. (http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/last-post-first-light/79299545/Conscientious-objector-Archie-Baxter-remembered-in-guerrilla-sculpture)

    Interestingly, a lot of the NZ troops who served in WWI were quite opposed to the idea of "War memorials" and instead built "peace memorials", which were often buildings of use to the community (public halls and the like). The goverment of the day objected, and insisted in many cases on having more traditional arches or statues. The peace halls and peace memorials that did get built were often funded by the local communities.

  20. Hey Olly are you ever going to do that episode with Paul Mason like you mentioned in one of your Marx videos? He's so cool

  21. I recommend you watch the Extra Credits video on veterans day. It seeks to frame veterans day as a day to remember why peace is so important. It's a beautiful video (i skipped the ad part).

  22. I don't think it's possible to say that all nationalisms are linked to war; civic nationalism, for instance, doesn't fit this model.

  23. Hey Olly,

    Thanks for the information on Anderson's thoughts on the relationship between nationalism and the commemoration of war.

    Sometimes my spirit needs a cool breeze of reason to lift it from the bitterness of what passes for discussion on The Internet. In this, your insights this week are both timely and welcome.

    Here, in Australia, our most sacred national day is ANZAC Day (April 25th). It commemorates the landing in Gallipoli, Turkey in 1916 of Australian and New Zealand forces and is commonly thought of as the bloody birthplace of our national spirit and identity. As with many of the battles of WW1 it ended in our defeat. Thousands of both Turkish and ANZACs soldiers died. We commemorate their sacrifice for our freedom with the eternal charge, "Lest we forget".

    I find it significant that our commemorations celebrate the acts of selfless heroism and willingness to die in war for the nation, but are silent on the moral sacrifice asked of those who kill on our behalf. Perhaps talk of killing recalls the humanity of a dehumanised enemy?

    Jeff Keys

  24. A couple of minor notes.
    In Canada we wear poppies (usually red, but the white poppy controversy happened here too) and call November 11 Remembrance Day (not Veterans Day). The poem In Flanders Fields was written by Canadian army doctor John McCrae, and is one of the primary reasons that the poppy is associated with Remembrance Day. It's a very large part of the day here in Canada.

    Also, you were a little too soft-spoken in this video. I had to crank the volume to follow you.

  25. So this question may seem a little off-base, but… /is/ a "Tomb of the Unknown Marxist" actually that ridiculous? The notion of someone dying for an ideology they believe in, and being remembered by other people who follow that ideology–especially one that tends towards internationalism, as I understand Marxism does–doesn't seem too bizarre.

    I've hung out on socialist websites. A lot of people, from multiple countries, honor the dead of others who fought and died in the name of the left. Rosa Luxembourg immediately springs to mind, and while she is a famous martyr and not the unknown soldier, those conflicts and the people who died in them that we don't know the names of do seem to be remembered, at least in my experience.

    Translating that to the real world (as opposed to the Internet where most of these discussions occur), it would be a monument, if maybe a particularly modest one.

    This doesn't detract from your overall point, of course. It's a minor detail, but one I thought I'd ask about.

  26. Talking about Manicheism: I think it would be interesting if you tackled the suject of the rising manicheism of the left and right among us milleials… I do feel each side (to put it simplistically: "alt-right" and "sjw") are keen on overcriticizing the other side, and are closing themselves out of communication, claiming their opponents are misguided…. I personnaly think that attitude (on both sides) is completely destructive…

  27. Yep. ISIS and the Nazis. No similarities at all. The Nazis were a grouo of anti-liberal, anti-democratic, anti-semitic, imperialistic, militaristic, genocidal, authoritarian, totalitarian thugs, whereas ISIS… errr…

  28. I'm from Argentina. Here, if you hold the opinion that the Falkland Islands rightfully belong to the British you're seen as unbelievably unpatriotic. Even though it was us who invaded after the British had been established there for over a century.
    And if you dare call them Falklands instead of Malvinas? Holy shit are you like a traitor or something?!
    ((We even have street names and neighborhoods called "Malvinas Argentinas"))

    And yes, this all sounds somehow "normal"… until you remember that the whole invasion was a ploy by the military government in the early 80's to generate national pride because they were losing popularity. As a matter of fact, as soon as we lost the war they stepped down.

  29. But of course the DMA – complex can not be applied to the way Germans remember WWII. (*But it's certainly true to how they dealt with WWI) The numerous war crimes and crimes against humanity are dealt with and talked about a lot. It is like the biggest cautionary tale there could be. So, saying that remembering war always results in romanticism is kinda false. What I find interesting however, is the way countries who were occupied by Nazi Germany deal with their nasty legacy. Because during occupation, there are always those citizen that help the occupier. France for example had to deal with the fact that there were documentations about vichy France assisting the occupying Germans and thus took part in their crimes. Poland however deals with this completely different. To be fair, they do not have documents that point the assistance that blatantly out. But still, there are accounts of some people doing just that. Poland passed a law forbidding anyone to say that the Polish took part in nazi or communist crimes. I can see how they do not want the death camps to be called polish death camps, since they WERE German death camps on polish ground built by Germans. But why is it that it is so hard to deal with or acknowledge such a small portion of the country that may have helped. I feel like acknowledging things like that helps a country build its character. It may help future generations to do what's brave and not what's convenient if anything similar were to happen. Is it just because they are afraid to be asked to pay reparations, or is it nationalistic pride that forbids them to do that or does something else come into play? Perhaps they argue that it is in fact insignificant, after all most citizens did not assist. It is so hard to tell.

  30. I'm from Belgium and if you visit the Westhoek, which is the part of the country where WWI was fought, you can only interpret the way the history is presented there as 'war is terrible' 'never again' that sort of thing. The endless rows of tombstones in a quiet hillside, there is nothing heroic about it, just disquieting silence and overwhelming numbers.
    In short, though you certainly have a point when it comes to a broader nationalism, there are ways of doing the symbolism in a way that is useful and dignified.

  31. I really like the use of the white poppy. I wish they were more widely available because I always get the feeling that I'm just lying to everyone around me if I get a red poppy (plus the fact that people get techy if you don't want one). I also struggle to empathise with the soldiers that get KIA when it was their choice (i.e. soldiers who sign up without conscription forcing them to) to join the armed forces in the first place.

  32. Surprised he forgot that Canada has a remembrance day, I'm British and I knew that because they have a representative at our memorial. Because they served honorably in WW1 and gained their independence in a way that made those who died were not in vane, unlike other ex-colonies (cough cough US)

  33. I wonder what this guys (sorry don't know your name new viewer) thinks about the concept that war is the catalyst for human advancement due to the fact that most of our culture, technologies and heck! Even our religions have come from the death and destruction of war. For example look at the fact that Islam has been proven by Imams to promote polygamy so that when men went of to war not (and some died) widowed women wouldn't be social outcast due to their (unfair) reduced status without husbands.

  34. Thank you Olly! As someone who studied the history of WWI a lot, I've felt this strange malaise vis-à-vis Rememberance Day. I'd had a lot of trouble putting words on it, and you've given me the words and concepts to formulate it. It's an extremely sensitive and all the more important subject to reflect upon, but it seems so difficult to raise a nuanced critique of Rememberance Day just because of the subject matter's volatility.

  35. What is your stance on independence movement in Scotland? If that civic nationalism or would that be more a kind of separatism?

  36. I found this video insightful, and would generally say I agree with the assertions concerning nationalism, but I am not sure I agree with the idea that history is merely a story, manipulated by the storyteller. History is the study of the past, an attempt to accurately construct a model that can be understood, taught, and recorded further; while any individual might focus on a particular portion of history, or certain facts of a historical figure, that doesn't change that there were some true version of the events, or the figure, in question, and understanding that true version is the goal of history. Sometimes people talk about how statistics can be manipulated to support any idea; to me, it seems accurate to say that history can manipulated similarly. However, in the same way that doesn't make statistics as a concept less valid, the fact that historical understanding can be manipulated shouldn't lead us to view history as a mere story-telling tool. I apologize if this is sort of off-topic for the video, since it really only applies to the comments at the end, and thank you for your work!

  37. I just did a bit of followup research on this topic. Please bring it back this coming November. I uncovered some details about the sale of these white protest poppies that rubs me the wrong way. Specifically: their creator Simon whatsis is*way* too vague about where the money is going. I'll look into it closer to November and bite back on my opinions until then. Thanks 🙂

  38. I think most "first nation Americans" (at least the ones I've asked) prefer Indian. There's a great quote from an Indian guy along the lines of "at least that name tells the tail of how stupid the first white men were".

  39. What I find very interesting is the Dutch remenberence. We aren't very petriotic (although it is rising with the whole immigrant thing and other polarised issues) and our own army surrendered after 2 days. So we mainly remember brittish, amarican and canadian solders, who came and freed our county. I think that the second world war wasn't fighting and dying for your country, but for your country's idioligy. The shared glory of the nowadays west minus Germany and Italy plus Russia and former Eastern bloc countries.

  40. We don't call it Veteran's Day in Canada. We call it Remembrance Day.
    And we suspiciously seem to forget Japanese internment camps in talking about remembrance.

  41. Noooo! Canada does not have Veterans Day! We have Remembrance Day. A national day of mourning to remember all those who died in war. You've also over-simplified the race divide around nationalism in Canada. What you say about the three races having different trauma points is true but they also have some congruent trauma points. Take the code talkers in WWII who were indigenous and used indigenous languages to create a code the Nazis couldn't break. Indigenous people (or at least some of them – let's not generalize) are proud of the contribution they made to the war. The same can be said for African Canadians who challenged the system for the right to fight in WWI (which they were initially banned from fighting in). And then, of course, there's the Quebecois who, with different degrees of devotion throughout the years, have been struggling for their own independent state. Quebecois – and French Canadians more generally – are a minority that don't fit into that neat white-versus-non-white dichotomy that surrounds so much talk about nationalism. In fact, French-Canadians were more against WWI and WWII then the indigenous people or the African-Canadians. They saw both of these wars as "English wars" even after France was invaded.

  42. You say things like "why would you fight for your country?" as if it was inherently illogical. This shows you're looking at things from the perspective of a citizen of a country that never really was threatened to be conquered completely and don't realise what might happen then. Poland serves as a great example of what happens when you sit idly while others threaten to invade you, it disappeared from the map for over 100 years after that. And well, I wouldn't care, why should it matter what name the place you live in has? Except this causes us to be treated like second grade citizens of the counties that took control. The thing people fear is oppression, abuse of the power they have over us. I think all wars but defense from things like these are simply wrong, but here, I at least have mixed feelings. And we didn't even have it all that bad. Some counties have their people turned into literal slaves as a result. To escape that fate… I am sure I would fight myself.

  43. I always get angry at veterans day. Sure people died, but everybody dies, what makes them so special that they deserve a whole day dedicated to them, and the rest of us don't?

  44. It's impressive that this video didn't get massively disliked when he gave the right number of death for the Bombing of Dresden : 25 000 (Yes, there were more death in Dresden in general, about 40 000, but the big bombing everyone remember made only about 22-25 000)

  45. Marxism not concerned with death? Really? Why do people ignore the over 100 million dead due to Marxist ideology?
    Stalin: 4-10 million via execution and gulag detention, 10-20 million due to the great soviet famine after the Marxists decided that successful farmers were being oppressive feeding the nation and decided to murder them.
    Mao and his great leap forward: 78 million dead
    Pol Pot: 1.2 – 2;.8 million
    Cambodia, the Kymer Rouge killing fields: 1.8 million (20% of the country's total population)

    The 11-13 million killed in the holocaust is well remembered, but 10x the number dead due to Communism/Marxism is ignored. We really didn't learn the lessons of the 20th century as the return to those murderous ideologies is underway. Protesters proudly wave the hammer and sickle, young people on talk shows saying "I'm literally a communist". I weep for humanity's future.

  46. Hmm that's interesting you say marxists and liberals don't concern themselves much with death and immortality. I kind of wonder though, because some groups of socialists at meetings when they call out the name of a comrade who's been killed, the group will say "presente!" What so you think that's about? Is it w different kind of rememberance? Or s different kind of immortality?

  47. Actually here in Germany it's not that way . We rather associate with German Resistance and their fight against the German War Effort . The 2nd World War kinda breaks this concept . This is why Germany and Nationalism is a whole different Story

  48. 2:00 or abouts there- I'd say american freedom is superior to other forms (or at least it has the potential) since we've enshrined things that would be madness otherwise. the prevalence of firearms in america adds to the destruction constantly, but we keep them because it is right to do so
    2:45– I'd say trauma is not really all that, understanding the political fuckery that caused allot of those wars makes it easy to forgive the people involved.

  49. I m so tired of nationalism in my and neighbors countries, they always try to milk history for their benefits and all they do is hate each other

  50. Would assuming that the basis of nationalism is a shared military history provide a (partial) explanation to why civil rights movements are seen as anti-nationalist or at least why anti-progressive politics tends to be focus on nationalism?

    Would it be too far-reaching to think that people of colour may be considered threats to the nation, despite being a member/citizen of the nation in question (whether naturalized or born), because they do not share the history of trauma and glory and, in some cases, have a reversed experience of the "glory" and "trauma" (e.g., the American Civil War–some may see the emancipation of the slaves as a trauma)

  51. In Canada it's Remembrance Day, and we wear poppies. The United States is the place that calls it Veterans Day, and does not.

  52. Great video man. I'm a Canadian ex military and I can't stand the intense nationalism and militarism surrounding our yearly remembrance day. Also I find it so irritating how much the general population worships the military and anyone serving in it. I've worked more important and harder jobs since serving in the military , there are so many popular myths surrounding it.

  53. Thank you for this video! In fact, I liked it so much that I translated it to Russian, because we have a total cult of WW2. I was wondering if you could approve my subtitles?

  54. Criticizing war is to truly support our troops. I can think of no other way to form the troops than to send them to die for profit and if they survive they come back to a broke country.

  55. The closest thing to Remembrance Day in the US is called "Memorial Day" – on the last Monday of May. November 11 is called, contrary to the rest of the world like sooo many other things, from measurement systems to toilet stall design, "Veterans Day". Both days are days for vile nationalistic swagger. Fuck Amerikkka.

  56. It is interesting to reflect on what your point means for a war losing nation.

    The Germany I grew up in was a nation that emphasised the tragedy of war and uses memorials to warn about the dangers of unfettered nationalism. Which is, in a way, comforting and/or useful.
    Losing the war and having been the perpetrators of unimaginable crimes against humanity has, at least in the past, put an extra hurdle in the way of nationalist movement's social acceptability.

    To counter that, the right asks us why we should feel guilty for something we didn't commit and why, therefore, we should have to give up our sense of pride in our nation and its past. Or, to rephrase it in terms of your video: "why shouldn't we also be able to use our history to justify future acts of military aggression?"

  57. What's your thoughts on Strasser ism, Nazbol, Juche, Irish Republican-ism Vietnam and leftist nationalism etc nationalism that combines socialism/communism. Could you do a video breaking down some of those ideologies. Is patriotism and nationalism justified if it's out of anti colonial, anti imperialism struggle?

  58. I am know, I am late to the party but what do you (are anybody reading for that matter) of french canadian or quebecer nationnalism. I say that cause I am my self french canadian and have big mix feeling about it. I think it's true thene french canadian used to be discreminated against (even at some point our nick name was the with n** of north america). But in the modern canadian and internationnal systeme I feel like french canadian nationalism tend to be more about stealing right from muslim then fighting against the anglo-american bourgeoisie. Any opinion anybody ?

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