Unheard Voices of West Asia and North Africa

Unheard Voices of West Asia and North Africa

Which is the most persecuted religious group in the world today? The answer in terms of sheer numbers and sheer horror might surprise you. It’s Christians specifically Christians living in Muslim majority countries. Prager University is correct. Okay, all jokes aside, this is a very serious topic I hope you watch until the end. Last month, dinosaur communist party CPGB-ML released this irky reactionary article. It’s been a common trend of their online presence and frankly, it really stinks. But as disheartened as I am when I see stuff like this on the web I am also reminded that I am now part of a left that is no longer respectful of these vulgar outdated gestures and the left of today truly is a very progressive bunch. We fight for the rights of gender minorities, stand with people at the forefront of racial oppression far outside simply the economic realms. They say that oppressions align and when you look at the left of today you can really see that. But as time goes on there can always be that tendency for our viewpoints to become short-sighted and clouded with prevailing dogma. This is a video about one of those. This here is a map of West Asia and North Africa. A region collectively termed together as WANA or MENA. It is home to many different ethnicities that are not of Arab origin. Some you know, some you don’t. And within this region there are numerous ethno-religious minorities But two years ago when Caabu did a study to find out the nature of racial profiling in the UK only one percent of respondents listed the Middle East as being linked with Christianity The on the ground reality is that millions of Christians still live and breathe in the Crescent. It is after all the birthplace of the Yahweh religion And contrary to the very bland pastiche Christianity that tends to fill the Western churches The faith of the WANA is distinctive in being very very diverse to the followers The faith is particularly sacred and in many times of a physical part of their identity In a similar way to how Jews or Irish Catholics might view themselves there are up to 25 million Christians in WANA, a number that has been gradually decreasing throughout the 20th century and And largely, this is due in part to a considerable amount of persecution and repression including genocide. Which to PragerU’s credit, they’re right When we’re talking about religious minorities, Christians are one of the most highly persecuted but I know and you know as well that these people are being very insincere here, Dennis and his entourage represent or at least promote What could only be described as White Man’s Christianity, the collective tradition of Imperial, Crusading, nation conquering religious zealots of manifest destiny and Got Miht Ust. Malcolm X was not really wrong when he called Christianity the religion of the white man; that was all that he could see at the time. And all of these people’s religious conceptions would appear highly unorthodox unorthodox if they were ever to go and visit a WANA Christian community Yet still how often is it that you see right wing commentators and outlets picking up on Christian oppression in the global South to regurgitate their hatred and vitriol and encourage further discrimination against Muslims in the West. Just a quick search on Breitbart you’ll see how many times they’ve already covered this issue This is what they do. And when right-wingers do resort to the lowest of low arguments to get their points across The left as it always does responds in a very appropriate and effective manner “What about the Crusades?” There is a contradiction here that we need to talk about On the one hand, we’re advocates for intersectionality and the dynamics of oppression, looking out for the nuances of thought and removing ourselves from binary choices and bullshit assumptions But on the other we can’t help getting away from very Eurocentric conceptions of various topics in other words We do choose binaries here many Western leftists tend to look at religion through this lens they incorrectly view Christianity as a global oppressor completely overlooking the examples where this just simply isn’t the case and thus Ignoring many groups that are severely marginalized and after a while we forget about the fact that we’re just regurgitating another dogma for us “Islamophobia is racism” might be a fine thing to say because we realize that in Western society, Islam is heavily racialized and so many of those who may quote-unquote look Muslim like Sikhs are Also targeted. but often, an expressing this tour while a Christian might rightly come across as quite reductionist Especially when this is one of the few times they’re ever given attention here in the West Add this on to the fact that WANA Christians want to speak out about their oppression, they’re often accused of being racist Themselves along with other accusations of bad faith. Just as Islam has largely been racialized in the West the same formula does apply to muslim-majority nations regarding how christianity is viewed when attacks are caused in the West by Islamists Muslims in the area are rightfully quite terrified and anxious about upcoming reprisals that might be made against them We do not however see why an attack from a white supremacist against Muslims would also result in a similar effect to Christians in the East Anti-west rhetoric has been heating up over the past 70 years, and with it the false assumption that Christianity is Intrinsically Western. The result has been demonization of the WANA Christians as fifth columns to Western imperialism Assyrian christians are one of those ethno religious minorities indigenous to the region and they have faced centuries of persecution and Genocide. many of us may well know about the Armenian Genocide of 1915 by the Ottomans Which is still denied by Turkey to this day and still not recognized by the US and UK But what many of us don’t know is that least 300,000 Assyrians were also victims alongside the Armenians. In 1933 around Simele, Iraq, after waves of anti Assyrian propaganda, the Iraqi army brutally slaughtered 6000 Assyrians and decimated over 60 villages. the campaign was the first military act undertaken by Iraq after gaining independence from Britain a year prior. Both the atrocities of 1915 and the Simele Massacre in 1933 are what prompted Polish lawyer Raphael Lemkin to later coin the word genocide. After the assassination of Iraqi Prime Minister Abdel al-karim Qasim in 1963 the following decades saw the rise of Saddam Hussein and his Ba’ath party in Iraq Supported by the US and what came with it was a new wave of violent anti-communism. Many communists were killed and imprisoned effectively culling the Iraqi Communist Party of which a sizable percentage at the time were Assyrian, as many joined in resistance to their oppression by Arab nationalism and Islamism. In fact, the party’s first secretary was an Assyrian named Yusuf Salman yusuf, who was found hanged over a decade prior on the 14th of February 1949. With this and the general increasing repression towards their identity and appropriation of their villages by Arabization policies Thousands of Assyrians fled the country between the 60s and the 80s. The most recent mass exodus was from the Iraq war, taking the population from 1.5 million in 2003 to now less than 275,000. Since the rise of Isis, the rate of attacks have only increased, including most notably the 2010 Baghdad Church Massacre, which claimed over a hundred casualties. and even just five years ago in Mosul they committed yet another genocide where Christian homes were marked with the Arabic letter n for Nazarene, followers of Jesus of Nazareth. the Assyrian population now stands at around two to four million people with most of those in the diaspora. the lack of vigor in the West to address the plight of these people and indeed the plight of various other minority groups from the region can be felt severely. During the 2016 election a large proportion of the diaspora in America were supportive of Donald Trump. Does this not seem like on the surface a politician who would be completely against Their interests? The very group who would be first on the pecking order in terms of deportation? Yes, and indeed in due course, this has been the reality for them. Now, after putting in their pledge to live and work, they are now cast asunder and betrayed by whom they thought they could trust. But just as the right time would come around for a show of solidarity, The Left were largely silent on this issue. In fact, many liberals actually defended their deportation, saying they deserved what they got Effectively defending their genocide. Did anyone at any point ever question whether or not we should ask their perspective on this issue? Even the terminology used by many well-meaning people on the left to refer to Donald Trump’s policies does presents sort of an issue It became known as the Muslim ban, but with such high numbers of WANA Christians affected Isn’t this a bit misleading and isn’t it just the kind of erasure that we ought to be avoiding when we’re discussing the marginalized? The right has been a stickler when it comes to appropriating leftist talking points as I’ve spoken about numerous times now. the EU used to be a lot more of a Conservative tradition, opposed by many factions of the Left, including of course the late Tony Benn But after sections of the right-wing discourse took it by their shoulders, all the left could seem to do in response was go now “No, EU good.” The EU is an undemocratic monolithic entity that controls large hegemony over the continent. This is something the left has always been against. And now we seem to have all been shuffled into the pro EU corner just to own the right is baffling How dare they, how dare we allow them to take control of this narrative. On the topic of narratives, Many on Twitter were stunned a while back at the revelation that alt-right YouTuber Braving Ruin, formerly Edgy Sphinx, was of Egyptian descent. In other words, He ain’t white. In a movement almost entirely made up by white nationalists This seems like a baffling contradiction. It’s not He’s a Copt, another Christian minority native to Egypt that has been increasingly targeted in recent years. It was from Braving Ruin’s own testimony that we find what led him towards the right was very much so a conflict of his own knowledge. Because for all we try and ignore this issue, these groups are dying. There just isn’t that convenient option for the displaced vulnerable Diaspora, coming to a place where they no longer fear being lynched. For them when they arrive to see a left whose only regurgitated knowledge has been Eurocentric, they gravitate towards the side that is saying, “the left hates Christianity.” And while this might sound silly to you, These minorities do not have that privilege. And when the right-wing are the only ones talking about their issues with mostly silence or dismissal from left What more would you expect? We’re not even presenting faux dramatizations of anger here, we’re completely turning our back to their voices in favor of pleasing narratives. One of those narratives that have sprung up in recent years has been the conflict in northern Syria. Many leftists in the West have been supportive of Kurdistan and Rojava yet it ignores that there are serious issues with the new governments and hegemonies that have taken root, going far beyond simply the US funding. You may have seen the images below of protests breaking out in northern Syria against school closures. PYD authorities ordered the closure of Assyrian schools that refused to teach the DFNS Rojava curriculum on August 7th 2018. Members of the PYD linked security force Sootoro opened fire to disperse the crowd, but were overwhelmed. When this news came back in the limited form that it did, Western leftists rather than questione the establishment instead drew attention to the flags that they were holding. Yes Those are Syrian government flags But it does not mean that they are suddenly fanatical supporters. In the essence of oppression anti-imperialism requires the use of certain representatives as a rallying cry, which is the very reason why Assadstill has so much support to this day. And the PYD already have a working relationship with Assad since the start of the conflict, often negotiating with him. despite the off claimed assertion of the progressive and inclusive Constitution, we should know by now that on paper does not always mean in practice Actual reports from the ground level by Assyrians are skeptical of this to a high degree. The school protests have come only after a series of attempts to impose an aggressive series of actions largely targeted at minority groups, including seizure and occupation of property, forced reparation payments, and all manner of targeting and assaults. On paper the Syriac Military Council are allied with the PYD, but were you aware that the council is mostly made up of Arabs and Kurds, not Assyrians? And that the groups claimed to have been showcased as examples of Syriac-Kurdish unity are in fact on the fringes of Assyrian opinion? In a similar situation, the Kurdish Regional Government in Iraq have forcibly removed mayors, and are occupying Assyrian towns. Assyrians have protested against this constantly to again little coverage or outrage on an international level. And in 2014, the Peshmerga – the KRG security forces – also disarmed and abandoned Assyrians and Yazidis, just as ISIS were approaching We can talk romantically about the Kurds. But why should their self-determination come at the expense of Assyrians? As Westerners, we do have this privilege. We can pick what we like from the orient and ignore the darker sides of the conflict. Anti-imperialism for example is a no brainer. But there can be a tendency among some leftists who end up ignoring how imperialism often affects the most vulnerable, the indigenous, and the minority groups. Some people don’t even recognize that these groups exist. It’s not too complicated to talk about this. There’s also just the case of generally needing to listen to women and minorities without the immediate assumption that they all have some alternative reactionary agenda. “The least we deserve from our countries is our Civilization and our history not to be vanished not to be abused but to be educated and learned in our educational system. I don’t want to be asked, am I a Kurd or am I an Arab in our cou-in my country. Or if I say none, ‘Are you Christian?’ I am Christian, but that’s not my identity. That’s my belief, that’s to myself. I want Assyrian to be one of the options. I am Assyrian, and proud to be, and I want to be recognized in my own country because we are the original people of that country. The least we need, we deserve from our country is to be recognized. And now we have two governments, Kurdistan and Iraq, and they should take the responsibility for that. Thank you.” We know how very recently the topic of ISIS brides who have yet to regret their participation in butchery is not out of the question. Why then not the plight of their victims ?These people do have a voice, big and small. And the least we could do is respect this in line with our standards. The only other alternative and I’ll say this again, the only other alternative is capitulation further and further to the reactionaries who commodify their suffering. I don’t make this video with the intention of bringing about more hatred towards Muslims. But I can’t help but feel disheartened by the fact that this is even assumed. There are nuances that we have to start coming to terms with that will include understanding the different power and privilege dynamics outside of the West, and how this might affect the mindset of the diaspora. Some leftists will say that this is too complicated to discuss. But it never stopped you before. Yu must be able to breach the topic of understanding both Western Islamophobia and Islamism in the Middle East, without caving into the Western reactionary narrative or allowing right-wingers to continue to fill up the void in these discussions. Which they already have done, might I say, quite successfully. So it’s time that we as leftists take back these narratives and rectify our ignorance on the situation. It’s simply not right to ignore this problem because conservatives already talk about it. We know their intentions are not for the betterment of all, especially when it comes to the oppressed. We cannot continue to grow as a movement if we are constantly pushing other people away. So, how can you help? First, let us remove the Eurocentric understandings of race and religion from our minds to realize how dynamics might work differently in the global south. And as with anything else just keep up with what’s going on in the region. Discuss these issues with your friends, with your family, with your comrades. Use your platform to raise awareness. Reach out and listen to these people and don’t speak over them or use them as props for ideological or partisan fighting. It may feel good to say that Jesus was a brown Jewish socialist from the Middle East as a gotcha to the right-wingers. But we know that they really don’t care about that. And more to the point, what are you doing right now for the Christians in that region? Organize with them. Declare statements of solidarity. Make this a part of your activism. Let them know that you’re there when they need it. These are marginalized, oppressed people with real pressing concerns and they deserve more than just token appreciation. The left has brought about in recent times a grand spectrum of inclusivity to more and more oppressed groups. If it wishes to continue this line, then we must start strengthening ourselves and asking these difficult questions. Like I said, it’s never stopped you before. Hey everybody, thank you for watching the video and a special thank you to everybody who supports this channel on patreon. I cannot tell you just how important that has been over the past couple of months. You guys are great, thank you so much. Now before I get to the special group of friends I’d like to thank, I also just want to just quickly talk about the reasons why I made this video. I mde this video with an Assyrian a friend of mine called Meia. Now, Meia wasn’t always a leftist. But when she came around, she found it quite disheartening that whenever she would talk to her fellow Leftists about her history, about her family struggle, it would often result in dismissal, being told it’s too complicated, or even just being accused of being a troll who’s trying to suck attention away from other issues. This included some youtubers. I am one of them. It was only when I really started to knuckle my head down and get into the nitty-gritty of this and started engaging in a Bit of self criticism towards myself that I realized, “No, this is so contradictory of us.” And it reminds me of a common problem that I see re-emerging in the left of today which is a focus on leftist culture as opposed to on leftist principles. You might remember Sylvia Riviera the trans icon who is widely revered by the left But it wasn’t always like that. Even though she was so heavily involved in the LGBT movement back in 60s and 70s, she was publicly booed on stage by hundreds of her comrades who just seem to be suckering and co-opting the movements away into a different direction. No movement, no struggle ever starts out as being cool, as being popular. We should definitely know that over the past two years here on YouTube and It’s just not okay to ignore these issues, to leave them behind and move on But it’s never too late. And it’s never too late to question the dogmas that we hold and engage in that self-criticism and believe me I think it’s going to do wonders to our movement in the future. So the first step that you guys can make is go and check out my friend Meia. All the links are down in the description. She’s got some really great stuff that you’ll be really interested in. Use your platform to bring attention to the voices that need it. Thanks guys. Thank you for watching, have a lovely day.

100 thoughts on “Unheard Voices of West Asia and North Africa

  1. As a South African, I can attest to the blanket reductionist ideas a lot of leftists have about places where eurocentric ideas do not apply. And, to be kind of honest, I'm guilty of them myself.

  2. as a muslim, i think this video is important, with its nuance and i salute you for doing it. i think a lot of muslims and arabs know what it's like to have a lot of negative stereotypes and hatred towards us, yet we completely lack the self awareness that we can be quite racist to our neighbouring black countries and mean towards the christians minorities as well, and we don't talk about it enough, or rather, talked about in a civilised way that doesn't demonize muslims as well. in the end, we're all the same, no matter the culture, the race, the religion, there's ignorance and blind hatred. nothing is white or black, and we should try to help minorites whoever they are, no matter their identities.

  3. I want to say welcome to our friends in the western left, we have been taking about these "complicated" issues and thanks for making this video.

  4. Shit I don't want do respect a commie but as a reactionary white patriarch I have to. This is a issue worth shedding a light on no matter your camp.

  5. I definitely needed this bollocking now.

    Just yesterday I argued with a pro-Guaido Venezuelan young woman on twitter, who accused me of betraying her cause because I retweeted a pro-Maduro tweet by Ajamu Baraka (VP of US' Green Party).
    I, angered by her nosy and outraged attitude, wished death by hunger upon her under the new imperialist regime she supported.
    Then a mutual block and a massive subtweeting happened.
    She accused me of caring about Venezuelans only when it was useful for my narrative.

    It was so childish by both of us, but the argument of eurocentrism, and the privilege of being able to choose a story that fits the narrative, really struck me then as it strikes me after viewing this.
    Our view is not universal and I find it always so hard to understand it.

    Thank you for always being so irreverent.

  6. Excellent video, of a kind that one rarely sees on leftist Youtube. I would like to point out though, and I don't think it was your intent to imply otherwise, that Yazidis aren't Christians, and that many of the non-Muslim ethnoreligious groups in MENA who experience some degree of oppression or marginalization aren't Christian either.

  7. An interesting video, with very good points on the EU and the oppression of Christians, but I would suggest that your treatment of the Kurds as a monolith is worrying. The KRG and the Ocalanist movement in Syria are actually forces in opposition to each other, you treat them as if they were part of one entity of "the Kurds". In fact there are Kurdish groups who are pro-Syrian government, pro-Isis, pro-Iranian, moderate-Islamist and lots of other things. I think that in this question you are perhaps guilty of the simplification that you rightly criticise in others

    You are right that there is conflict at the moment between the Ocalanists in Syria and some parts of the Assyrian community under their political control, but again the Syriac community is not a monolith, once again there is simplification here. I also feel perhaps it might be worthwhile to mention the Yezidi context here. Literally the only reason the Yezidi people still exist as a coherent cultural entity is because the Ocalanist YPG conducted a lightning incursion into Iraq to save them from ISIS. If we are talking about the treatment of non-Muslim minorities in the Islamic world, this episode is surely worthy of mention.

  8. Thank you very much bad mouth for this tremendous hard work you've put out. This is an issue should be given more voiced heard. We as socialist and lefty should be up front fighting for this and leave nothing to be used by the cynical reactionaries. So they can advance their project of hate and division.

  9. Thanks, I needed this, I will change my ways to better acknowledge how privilege structures are different for different places.

  10. As a middle eastern communist who have lived in the west before western perception of race and religion always seemed artificial, almost arbitrary to me. While the western left criticize the right for being too eurocentric, they always use eurocentric perceptions themselves, and divide the world based on those terms. I think this is a kind of orientalism in one sense. No, whites face persecution in some countries as well and no, christians face persecution in some countries as well. This is basically a question of what the wealthy elite prefers in such countries. Falling into the rhetoric that racial diversion based on color and religion applies everywhere is falling into the alt-right trap.

  11. Much needed video for sure.. I knew the right would seize on the Sri Lanka attacks to call the left hypocrites, and they did.

  12. This video: "It's ok to care about the persecution of Christians in the Middle East and North Africa because they're not white or Western."

    I guess it's a step up from just ignoring the issue like everyone else on your side has been doing for years.

  13. Wonderful, wonderful video. I'm not from one of the persecuted minorities, but as a white Muslim in the US, I'm often so torn over these issues. I've never been able to articulate my position in a coherent manner as you have here. People will say that Robert Mugabe committed genocide, or that other leftist, anti-colonial leaders around the Global South have done the same. Controversial though he may be, Pol Pot comes to mind as well. But Westerners want there to be a binary: either someone is a progressive anti-imperialist, or a fascist dictator (and a comprador, leftists will say). But it's not that simple. Ethnic relations in the post-colonial/neocolonial era are complex and can't be reduced to the racial binary that make sense in the US and Europe, between white people and people of color. We forgive plenty of chauvinism in our own circles in the interest of critical support, yet when it comes to the Global South, there's always this awful imposition of Western realities onto the perception of the South. We assume that the racial hierarchies that exist in our countries due to colonialism must be similar to the ethnic hierarchies that exist elsewhere. It's not! Different phenomenon entirely. On the same note, we MUST listen to these marginalized minorities. Must must must. It's not just a question of humanism and fighting against oppression. It's a tactical question: if we are anti-imperialist, do we really want to alienate large swaths of people and push them to the right? Of course not. My heart goes out to these people. I cried listening to this video. Again, as a Muslim, it's hard when on the one hand you have to defend against right-wing attacks yet also protect minorities. Especially when no one will listen when I fail to articulate what you have articulated so lucidly. I'm saving this video, and I'll dissect a lot of the language in order to improve my own communication of the problem. Thank you so much! <3

  14. Even if I dont agree with Bad Mouse on all subject matters (like for example his representation that prosecution of christian is universal problem in the region when it is in fact specific to certain governments at certain times, often facilitated directly on indirectly by western secular or Cristina powers) I must admit he has very good tendency to discus subjects usually leftists like to pretend dont matter and dont exist. Respect.

  15. >Dennis Prager and Ben Shapiro promote Imperial Christianity and "Gott Mit Uns."
    Somehow this makes complete sense even though they're not Christian but Orthodox Jewish.

  16. Great video, self-crit has to become an integral part of commmunists/leftists, and you lead by example! Kudos from Germany, comrade Schlechtmaus!

  17. @BadMouseProductions, I am extremely pleased with this video. I think it is totally correct and much needed. As a leftist we have to support all the oppressed, not just the ones we pick and chose. Watch out however for assholes like Brigitte Gabriel.

  18. In the middle east, the right dominate and there's no freedom of expression. I honestly can't say more.

  19. Thank you… I never would have known of this otherwise.
    I've always tried to stay true to christian comrades and those who suffer, but I never knew of this.

    Though it hurts at times, having our privilege checked is ultimately a good thing.
    After all, the first step is admitting there is a problem. And we cant do that without knowing.

  20. I love watching political videos on youtube, specifically political arguments and theories. I like you because you provide an outlet for this, that isn't Jordan Peterson, PJW, Stefan Molyneux etc.

  21. this fucking argument about all of this being to complicated is so infurating like das Kapital is also super complicated (especially the first chapter) and you'll still read it (which is good). This is an issue of life and death for millions of marginalised ppl this is more important than reading das Kapital

  22. This was eye opening. Thank you for exposing me to this. We need to break the Eurocentric tendencies on the left

  23. This issue is a reflection of a larger problem of the left today. That is that we drive a lot of people away due to cultural and anti religious reasons, not just in the Middle East and North Africa. Those that would be sympathetic to the left get driven to the right due to the right paying lip service to their beliefs.

  24. This is an important video, Middle Eastern and North African history is culturally and politically complex but that is all the more reason for Leftists to research and develop a nuanced position. The Syrian conflict has probably brought this to the fore most clearly.

  25. While I disagree with what most of your views, I'm glad to see you do some introspective on this subject. May always disagree with you politics but you have my respect.

  26. Wasn't expecting this video but thank you. I feel that any majority (religious, racial etc) generally tends towards oppressing any minority. Who the majority or minority is always changes throughout the world, and the plight of minority Muslims in the West is a very different situation from the political domination of Muslims in Muslim majority countries.

  27. yo badmouse, just wanna say that your sincerity, honesty and critical view of yourself and society is phenomenal and really a standard all leftists should strive for. thank you so much for your work!

  28. Whenever I hear Eurocentric I'm always reminded it isn't the majority of europe you people are considering most of the time In the west eurocentrism is equated with a British view at best maybe a Franco-Germanic one as well but never to include the East the South and the balkans because hey those barbaric places aren't real europe.

    As for religion you also missed that in a lot of places (Also including the above mentioned parts of europe) religion isn't a choice as in the west you are born into your families religion.

  29. Hi BMP. Is there any chance you have a transcription of your video? I would love to turn your video into a Zine for distribution.

  30. Given that American-European colonialism is pretty much what FUBARed WANA nations, those in the West have a duty to educate ourselves and question all our assumptions regarding that area of the world. We are immersed in propaganda about these countries from the moment we're born and our culture goes out of its way to make sure never to let up on it. Hence why so many people don't know about how we tried Regime Change in Iran and said Regime Change is a large reason we're in this mess. People of the West see the Middle East, MANA, and the continent of Africa being embroiled in so many massive civil wars and sectarian strife and just assume that's how citizens of those lands operate, that they're just naturally prone to violence. They don't know about how the American-European powers basically carved up Africa and the Middle East to suit their needs for resources and didn't think to consider stuff like the identities of the people living there or acknowledge traditional borders they had used. Therefore, you wind up with groups that had long hated each other, being crammed together and told they have to be a country, groups that had been the majority in one area wind up being a minority and vice versa due to these haphazardly drawn-together borders.

  31. I'm an Anti-theist but I completely agree that many stances against religion by western leftists are incredibly eurocentric and insensitive towards oppression of ethnoreligious groups.

  32. This was definitely an eye opener and something to keep in mind for later use.

    I think the large part of why this is so hard to talk about for a lot of the left is mainly because the Right has taken the idea of Christian identity and Christian persecution so far up their own ass that it hard to separate people that are just bullshiting their own persecution and use it to justify their own persecution of others and their vilifying of Muslims with actual persecuted individuals. They have cleverly constructed their narrative that regardless of how we answer we play right into their hands. They will take our admittance that Islamic governments persecuting Christians as proof that Islam is destroying the west because we have grown up in a culture that pretty showed Christianity as a Western thing and Islam as an Arab thing without any nuance. We on the left, regardless if we are moderates or full blown Marxist, seem to be the only ones capable of invocation and looking at finer details. Many on the right and even the middle would take this as a sign of weakness and irrationality, and thus use it as proof they are the rational ones. Many in the left don't like this and thus don't put much care into such things. Plus it just easy to sort of take this while conversation of persecution and drag down into a spiral of islamphobia as it is with a lot of subjects and many are worried about that kind of thing.

  33. Thank you for this video. To be honest, neither I or my Comrades here knew that these forms Christianity, or their struggle existed.

  34. Hey, BadMouse! Thank you for another great video. You've discussed co-ops many times in your vids. Sometimes we leftists focus too much on gettin the rev on, not-focusing on what it actually will be. I'm talking about post-capitalist society. It would be so interesting to hear your thoughts on "the sharing economy" (ie. Uber and such bs), platform co-ops (not as much bs), Rifkin and such matters. Voimaa taisteluun, toveri (keep on fighting, comrade) from Finland!

  35. Thank you for making this video, it is important that left-leaning people start discussing these issues.

    Another important point is that even within the West, there are Christians who (although they are not persecuted) are not fundamentalist or right-wing. As a lifelong Episcopalian, I am often discouraged when non-Christian leftists use the word Christian to describe only Western Evangelical Protestants, who I do not identify with.

  36. I am breaking the BadMouse comment rule, but that spinny EU clip got me dizzy, other than that, the first 11 minutes are great

  37. Thanks a lot Bad Mouse and Meia. I needed this shaking, to me being a leftist is centered on constant self-renovation and self-doubt, but as expected one can always go rigid. So thanks for remembering me my values for now.

  38. Great video.

    I get you on that point about romanticising Kurds, which is done by both right and left wingers. While, it is true they have been oppressed and they have my sympathy and as a political force created great strides towards a democratic systems and fighting religious extremists one should also realise that many Kurdish communities (and/including Yezidi) in the middle east have disproportionately high rates of honor killings and fgm and like any culture, have their problems. This is more directed at people on the right, who think that the "good guys" and the "bad guys" are defined by their ethnicity or ethnic group rather than their political class. As an anti-nationalist I'm don't think ethnonationalism is the answer for the middle east (or anywhere, but certainly not the middle east) and kind of hate the idea of Rojava being "Kurdistan" especially since libertarian socialism tends to be against that sort of shit.

  39. Your evolution has been amazing. I started watching you when LibSoc Rants called you out and over the years you've really grown. Thanks for this vid. Ppl forget or they don't know about how dynamic the global south and middle east really is and how we, as leftists, intersect amazingly with so many ppl around the world and spotlighting the depth, history and need for action is essential to further praxis. Cheers.

  40. Thank you very much for this video. Worth adding is also that many other minority groups are being oppressed in the middle east that have this same Americentric dynamic going on between them like atheists.

  41. I am a leftist always have been but I love the EU, yes it needs work but it helps the working people against the corporation

  42. I agree with the points brought up in the video, and most of all that we should always draw the line between white western Christians and eastern Christians, and understand why one group is opressed while the other is privileged and, indeed, protect the opressed Christians of the Middle East whilst not giving in to the eurocentric and imperialist versions of Christianity.

  43. This is unrelated to the entire point of the video but I just want to say I'm extremely heartened by the fact that you called out the CPGB-ML on their transphobic grossness

  44. This was wonderful. I study church history extensively, and had ancillary gained a lot of awareness of Christian minorities in the Middle East. I'd bring these issues up, but I got tired of being called a reactionary, or watching reductionist-leftists say their oppression is good because of the oppression European Christians perpetrated. I hope this vid takes off.

  45. Thank you so much for making this video. So glad to find a history channel not filled with generic bullshit. Loved the east germany video too. Cheers!

  46. Thank you for making this video BadMouse. It is a topic that does not getting enough attention in the media or leftist circles. Leftists should always be aware of MENA Christians', minorities', and indigenous peoples' struggles against oppression and should stand in solidarity with them. You are correct to be concerned about the Right's monopolization of this discourse, especially with the betrayal we've seen with the Trump administration it's become clear that the Right do not truly have at heart the rights of MENA Christians.

    As you say, we as leftists should step in and build bridges and form solidarity. In metro Detroit, there is a large Assyrian population that has been targeted by ICE as you mentioned. I read a heartbreaking story of a former pizzeria owner Adel, a cane-using grandpa with MS, thrown in jail for deportation proceedings. He and many others face detention here and persecution and death if deported. We cannot let these stories slip under our radar lest we ignore their plight.

    It's true that there are tensions between Assyrian Christians and Muslims. A few years back in Sterling Heights, the Islamophobic opposition to the building of a mosque was supported by a large number of Assyrian Christians, which among reasons has caused mistrust between the two communities.

    However, I think Muslim leftists should strive to overcome these obstacles by focusing on the interests and concerns our communities share, and a shared pride for the broader cultural hertiage of MENA peoples. Leftist Muslims should always make it clear to MENA Christians that it is not only the Right or dictators like al-Asad and as-Sisi who wish to protect their existence, their culture, and their rights. Both here in America and in the homelands of our peoples, Leftists should be clear: we stand with our Christian and indigenous comrades

  47. As a non-Muslim sryain living in west asia, Thank you for speaking about this topic. I'm not great at english and i feel like i could mess up my whole message to the west if i wrote one

  48. What's the song between 12:47 – 15:14 because I have tried Shazam and Soundhound, and they couldn't ID it.

  49. This is why we need more perspectives in leftism other than western ones. I had no idea this was happening. Thank you for this video.

  50. The West is silent on the suffering of Christians in the Middle East, because the West itself is in large complicit in the design of their suffering.

    That's one cherry the right-wing conveniently refuse to pick. The current turmoil did not come about in a vacuum. For millions of indigenous Christians to be persecuted today, there first have to be millions of indigenous Christians already living there. How come they grew and multiplied there for centuries up to a population of millions, but only now it's becoming a problem?
    Who drew up those unnatural borders, that disregard the local cultural dynamics? Who is the main power broker in the region? Who controls the majority of its arms trade? In which currency do the regional nation-states sell their oil? Who championed the very idea of nationalism and nation-states in that region in particular?
    Who profits from the status quo? Who designed that status quo in the first place?

    That said, maybe it's not up to us to decide what group gets to do what in which country. That's inherently and imperialist viewpoint. Our attempts to interfere with the regional power dynamics will always be counterproductive. All we can do is to welcome those who reach out to us by themselves, within the limits of our jurisdiction. Give them the chance to define their own future.
    Do not try to define it for them , even if you may think it's for their best.

  51. One small correction the EU was in fact a left project to begin with. Italian Communists were the earliest advocates and many on the left in Western Europe. Before it turned to a Neoliberal transnational institution that pays dictatorships in the North Africa to protect fortress Europe.

  52. It is nice to see you take the time to ponder things, criticize yourself, and admit you were in the wrong, videos help me understand alot too (I have trouble reading and comprehending what I read.)

  53. I am a former Orthodox Christian – I left because of the Homophobia and Transphobia – who followed the Greek Orthodox Branch that is based in Istanbul. While I never lived in Turkey, I always lamented the fact that decades of pogroms and legal persecutions have turned the once great Church there into a few Skeleton Congregations. Keep in mind that the Byzantine Empire that once ruled Turkey was ruled by Greeks and the population of Turkey before 1071 was almost exclusively made up of Greek Farmers. It is heartwarming to see that both Christians and Muslims have rallied behind a single banner in Rojava and Iraq to fight the Reactionaries and Fascists responsible for the terrible state of the Middle East.

  54. I've been trying to bring these things up all the time, but I've been called a reactionary multiple times, and I've been even banned from 2 leftbook groups for bringing these up…

  55. I've waited so long for someone to do a video on this. It's so difficult to point this out to liberals and then even more difficult to turn it into a productive conversation.

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