The rise of a populist nationalism

The rise of a populist nationalism



how would you define nationalism white nationalism and what are the dangers of this rising global tide of nationalism I think that white nationalism has borrowed from the left the kind of framing of identity politics and so instead of simply saying well we're the you know we're the majority that are setting the rules they project themselves as being victims you know we're the victims of these elites that are putting the interests of minorities and women and gays and lesbians ahead of us and we are simply trying to claim an equal role the fact is for most of these white nationalists they're not simply trying to be treated equally they actually want to recover the kind of privileges that they had in in an earlier period and I think what's quite disturbing right now is that they're beginning to recognize one another and work with each other internationally I think the headquarters for this movement is really Moscow but you get people like Steve Bannon who had been from so early on adviser that's actively jetting around the world trying to get all of these populist groups to talk to one another and see themselves as a commonly aggrieved minority which i think is a very dangerous international phenomenon does it pose a danger is it just merely an expression of political political expression does it really pose a danger to society and i-i think that the rise of this kind of populist nationalism does pose a genuine threat to liberal democracy not to democracy but to the liberal part of liberal democracy meaning the constitutional order because many of these new nationalists really don't like institutions they don't like courts they don't like an independent media they don't like anything that stands in the way of their agenda and you see this in Trump himself who has attacked the media the courts the legislature and impartial bureaucracy because they're not doing his bidding and I think this is true in Italy it's true in hungary it's true in poland anywhere where one of these populist governments has come to power there's been an institutional erosion

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