The National for Thursday, Oct. 24 — Violence in schools, Alberta budget, At Issue

The National for Thursday, Oct. 24 — Violence in schools, Alberta budget, At Issue


(*)>>Andrew: TONIGHT, VIOLENCE IN CANADIAN SCHOOLS. OUR EXCLUSIVE NATIONAL SURVEY LETS STUDENTS TELL THE STORY.>>I FELT UNSAFE IN A PLACE WHERE YOU’RE SUPPOSED TO FEEL SAFE.>>Andrew: WHAT THEY SUFFER THROUGH, HOW OFTEN, AND WHY SO MANY JUST KEEP QUIET. (*)>>>THE BLOC QUÉBECOIS CLARIFIES ITS GOALS. ROSEMARY IS HERE WITH “AT ISSUE.”>>IT’S NOT GOING TO CHASE ME OUT OF POLITICS.>>Andrew: PLUS, CATHERINE McKENNA RESPONDS TO AN UGLY SLUR.>>>AND JASON KENNEY UNVEILS HIS FIRST BUDGET. WHAT’S THE MESSAGE TO OTTAWA AND TO THE REST OF CANADA? IAN IS THERE TALKING TO ALBERTANS.>>>THIS IS “THE NATIONAL.” (*)>>>WHEN CANADIAN PARENTS SEND THEIR KIDS TO SCHOOL EVERY DAY, THEY SHOULD BE SAFE IN ASSUMING THAT THEIR STUDENTS ARE SAFE. BUT FOR TOO MANY THE SCHOOLYARD IS A MINEFIELD. THE DANGER COMES FROM THEIR PEERS, THREATS, PHYSICAL ASSAULTS, EVEN SEXUAL ABUSE. AND IT CAN START AS EARLY AS ELEMENTARY SCHOOL. BUT A LACK OF RELIABLE NATIONAL DATA MAKES IT HARD TO KNOW. HOW BAD IS IT? AND WHAT IS BEING DONE ABOUT IT? SO CBC NEWS LAUNCHED A MONTH-LONG INVESTIGATION AND TONIGHT WE BEGIN TO ROLL OUT OUR FINDINGS. NOW WE SURVEYED MORE THAN 4,000 STUDENTS AND FORMER STUDENTS ABOUT THEIR EXPERIENCES AND WHAT THEY TOLD US IS PRETTY SHOCKING. DAVID COMMON KICKS OFF OUR SPECIAL SERIES WITH THE ORDEAL OF ONE BOY LUCKY TO BE ALIVE.>>Reporter: HARD TO BELIEVE NOW BUT JAYDEN TRUDELL WAS NEARLY KILLED A YEAR AGO. IT BEGAN WITH A PUNCH, ONE HE NEVER SAW COMING. FOLLOWED BY OLDER TEENS FROM SCHOOL IN THE FIRST DAYS OF GRADE NINE, AND THEN SUDDENLY BLINDSIDED FROM BEHIND.>>PICKED HIM UP OVER HIS HEAD AND SLAMMED HIM DOWN HEAD FIRST ON THE CEMENT.>>Reporter: JAYDEN’S GRANDFATHER HAS SEEN THE VIDEO. HIS COUSIN JACKSON WATCHED IT HAPPEN.>>I THOUGHT THAT HE WAS DEAD, YEAH. YEAH.>>Reporter: AS HORRENDOUS AS IT MAY SEEM, WHAT HAPPENED IS NOT UNUSUAL. MORE THAN A THIRD OF 14 TO 21-YEAR-OLDS WE SURVEYED SAY THEY WERE PHYSICALLY ASSAULTED BY ANOTHER STUDENT. NEARLY ONE IN FIVE HIGH SCHOOLERS THREATENED WITH A WEAPON. ONE IN FOUR STUDENTS ALSO SAY THEY FIRST EXPERIENCED SEXUAL HARASSMENT OR ASSAULT BY ANOTHER STUDENT BEFORE GOING INTO GRADE SEVEN. ONE IN SEVEN GIRLS SAY THEY WERE FORCED INTO A SEXUAL ACT, INCLUDING ORAL SEX OR RAPE. YET OUR SURVEY ALSO SHOWS STUDENTS WHO TELL TEACHERS AND ADMINISTRATORS OFTEN FEEL LET DOWN BY THEIR SCHOOL’S RESPONSE. INCLUDING THIS TEEN WHO WAS NOT WARNED BY OFFICIALS THAT A BOY CHARGED WITH SEXUALLY ASSAULTING HER WOULD JUST DAYS LATER RETURN TO CLASS.>>IT’S LIKE IT HAPPENED ALL OVER AGAIN. I WAS SCARED. I DIDN’T WANT TO GO TO SCHOOL. I FELT SICK. I FELT UNSAFE IN A PLACE WHERE YOU’RE SUPPOSED TO FEEL SAFE.>>Reporter: JAYDEN ALSO FELT THAT WAY.>>IF YOU GO TO A TEACHER YOU WILL GET LABELLED AS A SNITCH OR WHATEVER AND THAT WILL JUST MAKE MORE PEOPLE HATE YOU.>>Reporter: AND THE THREATS CONTINUE, THAT’S WHY HE STARTED GRADE 10 AT A NEW SCHOOL.>>Andrew: OKAY, SO, DAVID, WHY IS THAT WE KNEW SO LITTLE ABOUT THE DEGREE OF VIOLENCE IN SCHOOLS BEFORE THIS INVESTIGATION?>>Reporter: WELL, WE TRIED BY ASKING SCHOOL BOARDS, SCHOOL DISTRICTS RIGHT ACROSS THE COUNTRY WHAT WAS HAPPENING INSIDE THEIR SCHOOLS BECAUSE MANY OF THOSE SCHOOLS DO, IN FACT, KEEP RECORDS. BUT THEY WERE IN MANY CASES UNWILLING TO RELEASE THOSE RECORDS. THE NUMBERS. NOT THE NAMES OF PEOPLE INVOLVED. THEY PUT IN ALL SORTS OF OTHER BARRIERS. ULTIMATELY WHEN WE COULDN’T GET THAT INFORMATION FROM THEM WE THOUGHT LET’S ASK STUDENTS OURSELVES AND THAT’S HOW THIS SURVEY CAME ABOUT.>>Andrew: AND THERE’S MORE COMING NEXT WEEK?>>Reporter: THERE ABSOLUTELY IS. TOMORROW NIGHT, FRIDAY NIGHT ON “MARKETPLACE” WE HAVE THE FULL STORY. AND WE’RE ALSO GOING TO BE LOOKING HERE ON “THE NATIONAL” AT HOMOPHOBIA AND TRANSPHOBIA AND, OF COURSE, YOU HAVE A PIECE LOOKING AT A SOLUTION, A RESTORATIVE JUSTICE INITIATIVE. SUNSHINE YES COMING UP IN A FEW DAYS. DAVID, THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THAT. AND WE HAVE ANOTHER STORY ON SCHOOL VIOLENCE LATER IN TONIGHT’S PROGRAMME AS WELL.>>>BUT WE TURN NEXT TO ALBERTA WHERE TODAY THE PROVINCIAL GOVERNMENT UNVEILED A BUDGET THAT IT IS CALLING BOTH CHALLENGING AND NECESSARY. ONE FULL OF CUTS THAT IT HOPES THAT WILL ALSO STIMULATE THE ECONOMY THERE. AND, IAN, FOLKS WERE WARNED ABOUT IT YESTERDAY AND NOW THEY HAVE THE DETAILS.>>Ian: AND, ANDREW, ALTHOUGH THE BUDGET APPLIES DIRECTLY TO PEOPLE HERE IN ALBERTA, IT ALSO SENDS A MESSAGE TO THE REST OF THE COUNTRY AND TO WHAT THE PREMIER CONSIDERS AN UNFRIENDLY FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. WE ARE IN ALBERTA AGAIN TONIGHT THIS TIME IN EDMONTON. AND YOU’RE LOOKING AT THE PROVINCIAL LEGISLATURE WHERE THAT BUDGET CAME DOWN THIS AFTERNOON. IT’S THE FIRST FOR JASON KENNEY’S UNITED CONSERVATIVE PARTY. SOME NEW SPENDING BUT A LOT OF BELT TIGHTENING, ALL WITH THE STATED GOAL OF KICKSTARTING A STRUGGLING ECONOMY. CAROLYN DUNN HAS THE DETAILS.>>IT HAS BEEN DECADES IN THIS PROVINCE SINCE WE’VE ACTUALLY SEEN A BUDGET THAT HAS RESULTED IN A REDUCTION IN OPERATION SPENDING.>>Reporter: SELLING IT AS THE RESPONSIBLE WAY FORWARD, THE U.C.P. SAYS THAT ITS PLAN WILL GROW THE PROVINCE’S ECONOMY AND GET ALBERTANS BACK TO WORK. AFTER SOME HARD YEARS FOR THE OIL AND GAS INDUSTRY. TO DO THAT, IT WILL DROP THE CORPORATE TAX RATE FROM 12% TO 8%, MAKING IT THE LOWEST IN CANADA. THE GOVERNMENT SAYS THAT WILL CREATE 55,000 JOBS.>>AS YOU IMPROVE THE BUSINESS ENVIRONMENT, AS YOU REDUCE THE TAXES WITHIN THE BUSINESS ENVIRONMENT, IT WILL ATTRACT INVESTMENT AND CREATE JOBS AND OPPORTUNITY.>>IT’S DESIGNED TO MAKE VERY WEALTHY PEOPLE RICHER AND TO MAKE THE REST OF US PAY FOR IT.>>Reporter: TO PAY FOR THE PLAN, CUTS — GONE IS THE FREEZE ON POST-SECONDARY TUITION. AND SOME EDUCATION TAX CREDITS. PLUS, INTEREST RATES ON STUDENT LOANS ARE GOING UP.>>WELL, UNFORTUNATELY, THAT DOES MEAN THAT A LOT OF STUDENTS ARE GOING TO FACE SOME TOUGH TIMES TRYING TO AFFORD THEIR POST-SECONDARY EDUCATION.>>Reporter: THE PUBLIC SERVICE WILL BE SMALLER BY NEARLY 8%, THOUGH MUCH OF THAT IS THROUGH ATTRITION. BUT PUBLIC SERVICE UNIONS SAY THAT THEY’RE ALREADY STRETCHED TO THE LIMIT.>>THEY’RE READY TO TAKE ACTION ON A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT LEVELS ALREADY. THERE’S RALLIES AND INFORMATION PICKETS ALL OVER THE PLACE.>>Reporter: ADD TO THAT HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF CUTS TO MUNICIPAL INFRASTRUCTURE FUNDING. BUT THE BUDGET MAKES A BIG ASSUMPTION THAT AT LEAST TWO PIPELINE PROJECTS WILL COME ONLINE IN THE NEXT FEW YEARS. IF THAT DOESN’T HAPPEN, THIS WARNING FROM ALBERTA — IT COULD COST THE COUNTRY $43 BILLION, AND 35,000 JOBS.>>THE REST OF THE NATION IS VERY HAPPY TO RECEIVE OUR $21 BILLION PER YEAR IN TRANSFER PAYMENTS AND YET WE GET A VERY UNENTHUSIASTIC AMOUNT OF SUPPORT WHEN WE HAVE TO — WHEN WE GO TO BUILD A PIPELINE.>>Ian: AND, CAROLYN, AS WE MENTIONED THERE’S NEW SPENDING IN THIS BUDGET AS WELL?>>Reporter: YEAH, ABSOLUTELY. THE GOVERNMENT IS GOING TO PUT $100 MILLION INTO MENTAL HEALTH CARE AND SPEND $40 MILLION ON OPIOID ADDICTION AND $20 MILLION ON PALLIATIVE CARE. DON’T FORGET ABOUT THE $30 MILLION FOR AN ENERGY WAR ROOM THAT IS BASICALLY GOING TO DEFEND OIL AND GAS AND TO TRY TO GET MORE SUPPORT FOR THE INDUSTRY. SPEAKING OF WHICH THERE’S ALSO $2.5 MILLION FOR A PUBLIC INQUIRY INTO FOREIGN FUNDING OF ENVIRONMENTAL GROUPS THAT OPPOSE THE OIL SANDS AND PIPELINES.>>Ian: ALL RIGHT, CAROLYN DUNN. THANK YOU.>>Reporter: THANK YOU.>>WE’RE NOT HAPPY. WE FEEL A LITTLE LEFT OUT.>>A LOT OF PEOPLE OUT THERE ARE HURTING.>>Ian: JUST SOME OF WHAT ALBERTANS TOLD ME EARLIER TODAY WHEN WE STOPPED BY GASOLINE ALLEY NEAR RED DEER. ALBERTA’S MESSAGE TO THE REST OF CANADA IN JUST A BIT.>>>FOR NOW THOUGH BACK TO YOU IN TORONTO, ANDREW.>>Andrew: SOUNDS GOOD, IAN.>>>WESTERN FRUSTRATION IS JUST ONE OF THE CHALLENGES FACING JUSTIN TRUDEAU. ANOTHER IS GOVERNING NOW WITH A MINORITY IN THE HOUSE OF COMMONS. THERE WAS ONLY A GLIMPSE OF THE PRIME MINISTER THERE IN THAT MOTORCADE. HE WAS IN PRIVATE MEETINGS AND LEAVING HIS OFFICE LATE THIS AFTERNOON. ROSIE, WE CAN IMAGINE WHAT’S GOING ON IN THOSE MEETINGS WITH SO MUCH AT STAKE.>>Rosemary: YEAH, I’D LOVE TO KNOW MORE ABOUT THEM, ANDREW, BUT THERE’S PLENTY THAT THE LIBERALS NEED TO FIGURE OUT IN TERMS OF HOW TO MANAGE THINGS. INCLUDING ONE FACTOR — A STRONGER BLOC QUÉBECOIS. AND TODAY ITS LEADER YVES-FRANCOIS BLANCHET TALKED A LITTLE ABOUT HIS PARTY’S STRATEGY. ALISON NORTHCOTT HAS THOSE DETAILS. (*)>>Reporter: BLOC QUÉBECOIS LEADER YVES-FRANCOIS BLANCHET SAYS THAT HIS NEW CAUCUS WILL DO POLITICS DIFFERENTLY AS HIS STRENGTH AND CONTINGENT OF M.P.s MET FOR THE FIRST TIME, HE SAID THAT THERE’S NO COINCIDENCE THEY CHOSE TO DO SO IN QUÉBEC CITY.>>[Speaking French]>>Reporter: IN OUR ONLY NATIONAL CAPITAL, THAT IS QUÉBEC, HE SAYS. BLANCHET AND HIS TEAM SAY THAT THE BLOC ISN’T GOING TO OTTAWA LOOKING FOR A FIGHT BUT TO MAKE GAINS FOR QUÉBECERS.>>[Speaking French]>>Reporter: “WE’RE NOT GOING THERE TO BRING DOWN THE GOVERNMENT, BUT TO WORK WITH EVERYONE,” SAYS THE LONG-TIME BLOC M.P. BLANCHET SAYS THAT HIS FIRST PRIORITY IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE GOVERNMENT DELIVERS ON A PROMISE TO COMPENSATE FARMERS AFFECTED BY THE RECENT TRADE DEALS.>>WE HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT IT WOULD HAPPEN FOR MONTHS AND MONTHS AND MONTHS AND MONTHS AND IT DID NEVER HAPPEN. SO WHATEVER THE PROCESS, IF WE CAN CONTRIBUTE TO THAT, HELP THAT, ACHIEVE THAT, THAT WOULD BE A SUCCESS.>>Reporter: AFTER THAT HE SAYS THAT HE’LL GO ISSUE-BY-ISSUE, SUPPORTING WHAT HE THINKS IS GOOD FOR QUÉBEC, STANDING AGAINST WHAT’S NOT. AND HE SAYS THAT THERE WILL BE ROOM FOR DISCUSSION.>>WE WILL DISCOVER THAT IN DUE COURSE.>>[Speaking French]>>Reporter: YOLANDE JAMES WORKED WITH BLANCHET IN TELEVISION. SHE SAYS THAT THE BLOC COULD WORK WITH THE LIBERALS ON SOME ENVIRONMENTAL MEASURES.>>THERE WILL BE AN AREA THAT YOU’LL FIND THE BLOC ARE WILLING TO DISCUSS, TO WORK WITH. BUT AS SOON AS WE GET TO THINGS LIKE IDENTITY AND LANGUAGE IT ALWAYS GETS STICKY — ALWAYS.>>Reporter: SHE SAYS DESPITE THE BLOC’S RISE, THE LIBERALS STILL WON MORE SEATS IN QUÉBEC AND NOW THE BLOC HAS TO PROVE IT CAN INFLUENCE THIS MINORITY GOVERNMENT. ALISON NORTHCOTT, CBC NEWS, MONTRÉAL.>>Rosemary: THE NEWS TONIGHT ON THE FUTURE OF ANOTHER PARTY LEADER ELIZABETH MAY. MAY HAS BEEN THE LEADER OF THE GREEN PARTY FOR MORE THAN A DECADE BUT TODAY SHE SAID THAT THE CHANCES ARE VERY SLIGHT THAT SHE’D BE LEADER IN ANOTHER FOUR YEARS. SHE DIDN’T SAY WHEN SHE MIGHT STEP DOWN BUT SAID THAT IT’S IMPORTANT FOR THE HEALTH OF THE PARTY THAT SHE CONTINUE AS LEADER FOR NOW, ADDING THAT SHE’D LIKE TO RUN AS AN M.P. AGAIN.>>>AFTER THE EXHAUSTION OF AN ELECTION CAMPAIGN, IT’S A BIT QUIETER THIS WEEK IN OTTAWA. BUT FOR A FEDERAL MINISTER OF THE ENVIRONMENT, CATHERINE McKENNA, PEACE JUST WASN’T IN THE CARDS. A VICIOUS SLUR WAS PAINTED ACROSS HER FACE AT HER CONSTITUENCY OFFICE. AND WE’RE PARTIALLY BLURRING IT BUT YOU CAN PROBABLY GET THE MESSAGE THERE. SALIMAH SHIVJI HAS HER REACTION. [Cheers and Applause]>>Reporter: JUST DAYS AFTER DEFENDING HER SEAT, CATHERINE McKENNA WAS HOPING TO SPEND SOME DOWNTIME WITH HER KIDS UNTIL THIS –>>WE’VE JUST BEEN THROUGH A REALLY DIVISIVE CAMPAIGN, WITH A LOT OF NEGATIVE RHETORIC. AND IT’S REALLY BENEATH US AS CANADIANS. I’M ANGRY AND, QUITE FRANKLY, REALLY DISAPPOINTED. ANYWAY, I AM A BIT SHAKEN. LOOK, I’M TOUGH, BUT I’M REALLY SICK OF THIS.>>Reporter: SICK OF BEING A TARGET OVER AND OVER AGAIN. ATTACKS FROM ACROSS THE AISLE, THE CLIMATE BARBIE NICKNAME WEAPONIZED.>>I WANT THIS TO BE THE END OF IT.>>Reporter: IT WASN’T. AFTER FOUR YEARS AS ENVIRONMENT MINISTER, ONE OF THE LONGEST RUNS EVER IN WHAT HAS BECOME A HIGH-PROFILE AND DIVISIVE PORTFOLIO, THERE WERE SO MANY THREATS THAT MCKENNA HAD TO GET EXTRA SECURITY. PLAINCLOTHES OFFICERS IN THE BACKGROUND AS SHE CAMPAIGNED. TODAY SHE RECEIVED SUPPORT FROM ACROSS THE POLITICAL SPECTRUM. A CALL FOR RESPECT FROM A CONSERVATIVE PREMIER WHO HAS RAILED AGAINST THE FEDERAL CARBON TAX. DOUG FORD CALLED THE GRAFFITI “DISGUSTING.” AND N.D.P. LEADER JAGMEET SINGH USED THE WORDS “ABSOLUTELY DISGRACEFUL” AND “WOMEN IN POLITICS SHOULD NOT HAVE TO DEAL WITH SUCH ATTACKS.” THERE WAS ALSO SOLIDARITY FROM OTHER FEMALE POLITICIANS.>>I HATE THE BRAZENNESS OF DOING IT ON THE FRONT OF YOUR OFFICE WINDOW. I MEAN, IT’S SUCH A PUBLIC THING TO DO AND IT’S SHAMEFUL FOR SOMEBODY TO THINK THAT’S ACCEPTABLE IN THIS DAY AND AGE.>>Reporter: MCKENNA HAS FILED A COMPLAINT WITH POLICE AND SHE’S MORE DETERMINED THAN EVER.>>IT’S NOT GOING TO CHASE ME OUT OF POLITICS, IT’S GOING TO JUST MAKE ME RECOMMIT.>>Reporter: EVEN SO, SHE HAS A SIMPLE PLEA — A CALL FOR POLITICS TO BE BETTER. SALIMAH SHIVJI, CBC NEWS, OTTAWA.>>Rosemary: THAT PLEA WAS AN EMOTIONAL ONE AND IT WAS DELIVERED BY A POLITICIAN VISIBLY DRAINED FROM THE PAST 40 DAYS OR SO. HERE’S CATHERINE MCKENNA NOW FOR “THE RECORD.”>>ACROSS THE COUNTRY IT WAS REALLY NEGATIVE AND SUPER NEGATIVE ONLINE. AND I DON’T LOVE THIS. I DON’T — COMING TO MY OFFICE — OTHER PEOPLE HAVING TO SEE THIS. THESE WOMEN WHO WORK IN MY OFFICE AND WHO VOLUNTEER, ANYONE HAVING TO SEE THIS — IT’S NOT OKAY. AND, I MEAN, LOOK, APPARENTLY THIS IS NOT JUST ABOUT MY SAFETY, THIS IS ABOUT WHAT KIND OF COUNTRY WE WANT HERE. WHAT KIND OF DISCOURSE WE WANT AND WHAT KIND OF POLITICS WE WANT. I THINK THAT IT’S TIME FOR EVERYONE TO TAKE A DEEP BREATH, MYSELF INCLUDED, AND I THINK THAT WE NEED TO THINK ABOUT HOW WE DO BETTER.>>Rosemary: WORTH REMEMBERING THAT CATHERINE McKENNA WON HER RIDING OF OTTAWA CENTRE WITH 48.5% OF THE POPULAR VOTE. ANDREW, BACK TO YOU.>>Andrew: OKAY.>>>EXXONMOBIL IS BEING GRILLED THIS WEEK, BOTH IN NEW YORK STATE COURT AND IN WASHINGTON, D.C. IT’S FACING ACCUSATIONS THAT IT MISLED INVESTORS AND THE PUBLIC ON THE BUSINESS COST OF CLIMATE CHANGE. AS KELLY CROWE TELLS US, MANY ARE ASKING WHAT DID BIG OIL KNOW AND WHEN.>>Reporter: IN THIS NEW YORK CITY COURTROOM, EXXONMOBIL IS FACING ACCUSATIONS THAT IT DIDN’T REVEAL TO INVESTORS WHAT IT KNEW ABOUT THE COST OF CLIMATE CHANGE. AND THAT’S JUST ONE IN A SERIES OF EMERGING BATTLES FOR THE OIL INDUSTRY.>>OIL COMPANIES LIKE EXXON KNEW THE SCIENTIFIC REALITY 40 YEARS AGO, BUT WAGED A WAR OF DECEPTION THAT COST US PRECIOUS TIME IN THE FIGHT TO SAVE OUR PLANET.>>Reporter: IN WASHINGTON, A CONGRESSIONAL SUB-COMMITTEE EXAMINED WHAT IT CALLED THE GOVERNMENT’S EFFORT TO SUPPRESS CLIMATE SCIENCE. MEANWHILE, MORE THAN A DOZEN U.S. CITY STATES AND GOVERNMENTS HAVE LAUNCHED COURT ACTION AGAINST THE INDUSTRY. EXXONMOBIL TOLD CBC NEWS THAT THE NEW YORK COURT ALLEGATIONS ARE FALSE AND THAT BASELESS LAWSUITS DO NOTHING TO ADVANCE NEEDED SOLUTIONS. STILL, THE QUESTIONS ARE BEING ASKED — WHAT DID THE OIL COMPANIES KNOW ABOUT THE CLIMATE RISK FROM FOSSIL FUEL EMISSIONS, WHEN DID THEY KNOW AND WHAT DID THEY DO WITH THAT INFORMATION?>>ENERGY CONSUMING WAY OF LIFE MAY BE CAUSING CLIMACTIC CHANGES WITH ADVERSE CONSEQUENCES FOR US ALL.>>Reporter: THAT FILM WAS PRODUCED BY SHELL IN 1991 AS PART OF AN EDUCATIONAL SERIES AND THEN FORGOTTEN. THAT’S UNTIL DUTCH ENVIRONMENT REPORTERS DUG IT UP TO SHOW HOW MUCH THE INDUSTRY KNEW ABOUT CLIMATE SCIENCE.>>IT WAS VERY, VERY SHOCKING ACTUALLY TO SEE HOW MUCH KNOWLEDGE WAS ALREADY THERE.>>Reporter: A SHELL CANADA SPOKESPERSON TOLD CBC NEWS IN AN EMAIL THAT SHELL’S POSITION ON CLIMATE CHANGE HAS BEEN PUBLICLY DOCUMENTED FOR MORE THAN TWO DECADES. AND IN CANADA, SOME MUNICIPALITIES ARE CONSIDERING JOINING THE LEGAL FIGHT AGAINST BIG OIL.>>THE SAME MOTIVATIONS THAT HAVE GIVEN RISE TO COMMUNITIES IN THE U.S. THINKING THEY HAVE TO GO TO COURT ARE GOING TO MORE AND MORE FORCE CANADIAN MUNICIPALITIES TO GO, HANG ON, HOW CAN WE PAY THESE BILLIONS OF DOLLARS.>>Reporter: ALREADY TORONTO, VANCOUVER AND VICTORIA ARE SEEKING LEGAL OPINIONS. KELLY CROWE, CBC NEWS, TORONTO.>>Andrew: WE HAVE MORE NEWS AHEAD ON “THE NATIONAL.” WE’LL CONTINUE OUR INVESTIGATION INTO SCHOOL VIOLENCE. IT’S HAPPENING, SO WHY AREN’T THE SCHOOL BOARDS ALWAYS REPORTING IT?>>>AND “AT ISSUE” ON THE FUTURE>>Andrew: CANADIAN SCHOOLS SHOULD BE AMONG THE SAFEST PLACES FOR YOUNG STUDENTS OUTSIDE OF THEIR HOMES. BUT AN EXCLUSIVE CBC NEWS INVESTIGATION FOUND THAT FOR TOO MANY, MAYBE MORE THAN YOU THINK, THAT’S JUST NOT THE CASE. IT’S A TROUBLING REALITY WE’RE EXPLORING IN OUR SPECIAL SERIES ON SCHOOL VIOLENCE. NOW EARLIER IN THE PROGRAMME WE SHARED THE STORIES OF TWO STUDENTS VIOLENTLY ATTACKED BY CLASSMATES. AND RIGHT NOW WE WANT TO LOOK AT THE QUESTION OF ACCOUNTABILITY. CBC DATA JOURNALIST VALERIE OUELLET HAS A STORY OF AN ONTARIO STUDENT AND WHAT IT SAYS ABOUT THAT PROVINCE’S FLAWED SYSTEM OF REPORTING SCHOOL VIOLENCE.>>TAZA DeLUNA HAD JUST STARTED GRADE NINE WHEN HE WAS CONFRONTED BY A GROUP OF BOYS.>>IT WAS THE SECOND WEEK. I DIDN’T KNOW WHERE TO LOOK FOR TEACHERS, I DIDN’T KNOW WHERE THE OFFICE WAS. AND THEY JUST KEPT FOLLOWING ME UNTIL THEY JUST SORT OF PICKED ME UP AND HIT MY HEAD OFF OF THE DOOR FRAME.>>Reporter: TWO BOYS WERE SUSPENDED. ONE ALLOWED TO RETURN WITHIN A WEEK.>>AND HE WAS ATTACKED IN CLASSES AND ATTACKED IN THE HALLWAYS. WHEN WE ASKED WHY, THEY SAID THAT EVERY CHILD DESERVES AN EDUCATION.>>Reporter: IN 2011, ONTARIO ENACTED LEGISLATION TO HELP TO COMBAT SCENES OF VIOLENCE SUCH AS THESE. SCHOOLS MUST NOW REPORT THEIR TOTAL NUMBER OF VIOLENT INCIDENTS. CBC NEWS ASKED EVERY PUBLIC SCHOOL BOARD AND THE MINISTRY OF EDUCATION TO SHOW US THE NUMBERS. WE DISCOVERED 18 BOARDS REPORTED ZERO INCIDENTS FOR SEVERAL YEARS IN A ROW.>>IT IS REALLY UNBELIEVABLE TO ME THAT THERE WOULD BE ABSOLUTELY NO INCIDENTS OF VIOLENCE OR HARASSMENT TAKING PLACE IN THOSE SCHOOLS.>>Reporter: U.B.C. PROFESSOR ELIZABETH SAEWYC SAYS THAT REPORTING NEEDS TO BE TIED TO FUNDING AND RESOURCES.>>IF THE PROCESS OF REPORTING DOESN’T ACTUALLY LEAD TO THE KINDS OF SUPPORTS THAT ARE NEEDED, THEN FOR MANY SCHOOLS IT’S GOING TO BE A REPUTATIONAL HIT WITHOUT ANY FURTHER SUPPORTS TO SOLVE IT.>>THIS IS THE NUMBER OF VIOLENT INCIDENTS THAT THE SCHOOL REPORTED THE YEAR THAT TAZA GOT ASSAULTED. SO IT SAYS ZERO. SO ALTHOUGH THEY KNOW THAT HE WAS BEATEN UP AND TAKEN TO HOSPITAL, THEY’VE NOT REPORTED THAT.>>Reporter: THE ONTARIO MINISTER OF EDUCATION WASN’T AVAILABLE FOR AN INTERVIEW. BUT A SPOKESPERSON TOLD US, QUOTE, “IT IS CLEARLY UNACCEPTABLE FOR BOARDS NOT TO REPORT VIOLENT BEHAVIOUR AND WE EXPECT EVERY SCHOOL BOARD IN THE PROVINCE TO COMPLY.” VIOLENCE LIKE THIS… HAPPENS ACROSS CANADA. [BLEEP] BUT WE DISCOVERED IN NINE PROVINCES AND TERRITORIES, SCHOOLS DON’T HAVE TO KEEP RECORDS AND SHARE THEM WITH THE MINISTRY. TWO YEARS ON TAZA DeLUNA SAYS HE STILL FEELS ANXIETY AT SCHOOL. HOW HAS THIS CHANGED YOUR BOY?>>SO HE WILL ALWAYS SAY, THAT’S THE DAY THAT MY CHILDHOOD DIED.>>Reporter: VALÉRIE OUELLET, CBC NEWS, COLLINGWOOD, ONTARIO.>>Andrew: NOW WE’LL HAVE STORIES FROM OUR COMPREHENSIVE CBC NEWS INVESTIGATION CONTINUING TO ROLL OUT IN THE DAYS AHEAD ON “MARKETPLACE,” ON “THE NATIONAL” AND ON cbcnews.ca. AND RIGHT HERE TOMORROW NIGHT WE’LL LOOK AT SOLUTIONS. A PANEL OF EDUCATIONAL EXPERTS AND PARENTS WILL JOIN ME AND WE’LL TALK TOOLS FOR KIDS AND WHAT NEEDS TO CHANGE TO KEEP THEM SAFE. AND IF YOU HAVE A STORY OR A QUESTION ABOUT SCHOOL VIOLENCE, YOU CAN SEND US AN EMAIL [email protected] IS WHERE YOU SEND IT. AND ONE MORE THING — IF YOU’RE A STUDENT AND YOU’RE WATCHING THIS AND YOU NEED HELP, KIDS HELP PHONE COUNSELLORS ARE AVAILABLE 24/7 AT THE NUMBER AND THE SOCIAL MEDIA SITES ON YOUR SCREEN.>>>LET’S GET TO IAN NOW WHO IS WATCHING DEVELOPING STORIES.>>Ian: ANDREW, WE’LL BEGIN IN BRITISH COLUMBIA WHERE THE PROVINCE PRESENTED AN HISTORIC INDIGENOUS RIGHTS BILL TODAY.>>THROUGH THIS LEGISLATION WE ARE RECOGNISING THE RIGHTS, THE HUMAN RIGHTS, OF INDIGENOUS PEOPLES IN LAW.>>Ian: INDIGENOUS LEADERS FROM ACROSS CANADA FILLED THE GALLERY OF THE LEGISLATURE AS BILL 41 WAS TABLED. THE PROVINCE WOULD BECOME THE FIRST IN CANADA TO LEGALLY IMPLEMENT THE UNITED NATIONS DECLARATION ON THE RIGHTS OF INDIGENOUS PEOPLES. THE LEGISLATION IS MODELED AFTER A FEDERAL BILL THAT DIED IN THE SENATE BEFORE THE ELECTION.>>>VANCOUVER BUSINESSMAN AND FORMER CFL PLAYER DAVID SIDOO IS FACING NEW CHALLENGES IN THE U.S. COLLEGE ADMISSIONS SCANDAL. SIDOO WAS CHARGED WITH FRAUD IN MARCH AFTER ALLEGEDLY PAYING $200,000 TO HAVE SOMEONE TAKE COLLEGE ENTRANCE EXAMS FOR HIS TWO SONS. NOW THE NEW CHARGES ALLEGE THAT HE CONSPIRED TO CHEAT ON LAW AND BUSINESS SCHOOL EXAMS FOR THEM AS WELL. HE’S DENIED THE ALLEGATIONS AND HAS PLEADED NOT GUILTY TO FRAUD AND CONSPIRACY CHARGES.>>>AND CBC’S FLAGSHIP CURRENT AFFAIRS RADIO PROGRAMME “THE CURRENT” ANNOUNCED ITS NEW HOST.>>THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK TO AN ENTIRE NATION IS SOMETHING THAT I COULDN’T REALLY PASS UP.>>Ian: MATT GALLOWAY WILL TAKE THE REINS OF “THE CURRENT” IN JANUARY AFTER HOSTING “METRO MORNING” SINCE 2010. ANNA MARIA TREMONTI DEPARTED AS THE HOST OF “THE CURRENT” IN MAY AFTER NEARLY TWO DECADES IN THE CHAIR.>>>CALIFORNIA CONTINUES TO TURN OFF THE LIGHTS TO TRY TO PREVENT WILDFIRES. WE’LL HAVE THE LATEST ON THAT IN 20 MINUTES.>>Andrew: NEXT, A DOUBLE DOSE OF “AT ISSUE.” HOW TO GOVERN A FRACTURED FEDERATION. PLUS, VOICES FROM GASOLINE ALLEY. IAN TALKS TO ALBERTANS POST-ELECTION AND MESSAGE (*)>>Prime Minister Justin Trudeau: CANADIANS SENT A CLEAR MESSAGE THAT THEY EXPECT THEIR LEADERS TO WORK TOGETHER ON THE BIG ISSUES THAT MATTER TO THEM. I WILL BE REACHING OUT TO LEADERS ACROSS THE COUNTRY AND REACHING OUT SPECIFICALLY TO WESTERNERS. MUCH OF THIS CAMPAIGN TENDED TO BE AROUND ME AND I DO HOLD A BIT OF RESPONSIBILITY FOR THAT.>>Rosemary: PROMISES OF COOPERATION, A LITTLE BIT OF SELF-REFLECTION THERE IN JUSTIN TRUDEAU’S FIRST POST-ELECTION PRESS CONFERENCE BUT HIS CHALLENGES ARE FAR FROM OVER, OF COURSE. SO HOW DOES THE PRIME MINISTER POSITION HIMSELF DURING THIS TRANSITION PERIOD? CAN HE BRING THE COUNTRY TOGETHER? WE’VE GOT A SUPER SIZED “AT ISSUE” TO WRAP UP THIS ELECTION WEEK. WELL, THAT’S WHAT WE CALL IT WHEN WE ADD ONE MORE PERSON. CHANTAL HEBERT IS IN MONTRÉAL AND ANDREW COYNE IS IN TORONTO AND ALTHIA RAJ IS HERE IN OTTAWA. AND JASON MARKUSOFF IS IN EDMONTON TONIGHT. YOU MAKE IT THE SUPER-SIZED PART THERE, JASON, IN CASE YOU DIDN’T KNOW. OKAY. [laughter] LET’S JUST SORT OF GO THROUGH A LITTLE BIT OF WHAT JUSTIN TRUDEAU SAID IN THAT PRESS CONFERENCE YESTERDAY. AND WHAT THAT LEADS US TO BELIEVE ABOUT WHAT HE’S GOING TO BE DOING DURING THIS TRANSITION PERIOD TO SHOW CANADIANS THAT HE’S GOING TO GOVERN DIFFERENTLY. CHANTAL?>>I DON’T KNOW WHAT HE’S GOING TO BE DOING. I KNOW WHAT HE’S NOT DOING, AND HE’S NOT BUILDING A COALITION GOVERNMENT. SO HE’S NOT GOING TO BE CALLING JAGMEET SINGH OR ELIZABETH MAY TO ASK THEM IF THEY WANT A SEAT ON THE CABINET. I THINK THAT THEY WILL BE LOOKING FOR A WAY TO BRING SOMEONE FROM SASKATCHEWAN, ALBERTA, OR ONE OR THE OTHER OR BOTH AT THE TABLE. I’M NOT SURE HOW THEY’RE GOING TO DO THAT, BUT THEY DO NEED TO DO THAT. AND I ASSUME THAT THEY WILL CRAFT A SPEECH FROM THE THRONE THAT WILL BE EASY FOR THE N.D.P. TO SUPPORT.>>Rosemary: AND THE SORT OF REACH OUT THAT HE SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN DOING TO PREMIERS MOSTLY, BUT OTHER LEADERS TOO, INDIGENOUS LEADERS, ANDREW. IS THAT SORT OF AN INFORMAL SORT OF COALITION BUILDING OF ANOTHER KIND?>>WELL, HE’S CERTAINLY GOING TO HAVE TO WORK WITH THE PREMIERS AND HE’S GOING TO HAVE TO WORK IT FROM A MUCH WEAKER POSITION THAN HE HAD IN HIS FIRST TERM IN GOVERNMENT. YOU CERTAINLY SAW A CHANGE IN TONE TODAY FROM THE ALMOST TRIUMPHANT SPEECH ON ELECTION NIGHT. HE DIDN’T SAY MUCH IN THE WAY OF ACTUAL CONCESSIONS AND NOT NECESSARILY — YOU SHOULDN’T NECESSARILY EXPECT TO. AND YOU ALSO DIDN’T REALLY SEE MUCH IN THE WAY OF ACCEPTING RESPONSIBILITY FOR THE TONE OF THE CAMPAIGN. WHEN HE SAID THAT IT WAS ABOUT “ME,” I THINK HE WAS MORE REFERRING MORE TO THE ATTACKS ON HIM AND THERE WAS BLAME TO BE SHARED ALL AROUND FOR THE WAY THAT CAMPAIGN WENT. BUT HE MUST REALIZE THAT HE’S IN A DIFFERENT WORLD THAN HE WAS BEFORE. IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE SOME OF HIS STAFFING DECISIONS AS TO WHETHER HE’S ABLE TO PUT TOGETHER A TEAM THAT RECOGNIZES HOW MUCH THE WORLD HAS CHANGED FROM JUST A WEEK AGO.>>Rosemary: ALTHIA?>>I THINK THAT HE DOESN’T ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT HE’S GOING TO DO. HE MIGHT FIND MORE IDEALOGICALLY FRIENDLY ALLIES IN MUNICIPAL GOVERNMENTS IN ALBERTA AND SASKATCHEWAN. WE TAN HE SPOKE TO MAYOR NENSHI, BECAUSE MR. NENSHI SAID SO. HE HAS A NUMBER OF OPTIONS AT HIS FINGERTIPS. HE COULD ASK THE NEW N.D.P. M.P. HEATHER McPHERSON IF SHE WANTS A CABINET SEAT. THERE’S A VACANCY IN SASKATCHEWAN AND HE COULD APPOINT SOMEBODY TO THE SENATE AND NAME THAT PERSON TO THE CABINET. AND PUT SOMEBODY THAT IS ALREADY IN THE SENATE, GRANT MITCHELL IS A NON-AFFILIATED MEMBER, MAYBE HE COULD BE IN THE SENATE. AND PAULA SIMONS IS A MEMBER OF THE INDEPENDENT SENATORS GROUP. HE COULD PUT HER. THERE’S A LIBERAL FROM SASKATCHEWAN, HE COULD PUT HER. AND HE MIGHT THINK OF SOMETHING MORE CREATIVE, AND MAYBE HE — THIS IS NOT BASED ON ANY INFORMATION — AND I’M THROWING THIS WILD IDEA OUT THERE. [laughter] LIKE, HE CO AND HE MIGHT THINK OF SOMETHING MORE CREATIVE, AND MAYBE HE — THIS IS NOT BASED ON ANY INFORMATION — AND I’M THROWING THIS WILD IDEA OUT THERE. [laughter] LIKE, HE COULD PUT RONA AMBROSE ON A CABINET COMMITTEE PERHAPS. LIKE THE ENERGY AND THE ENVIRONMENT OR INTERNAL TRADE, CANADA-U.S. RELATIONS AND EXTERNAL TRADE. LIKE, WITHOUT ACTUALLY PUTTING HER IN CABINET. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF OPTIONS AT HIS FINGERTIPS.>>OR HE COULD JUST HIRE ADVISORS ON ALBERTA AND SASKATCHEWAN ISSUES.>>NOBODY REALLY WESTERN IN THE INNER CIRCLE IN THE P.M.O.>>IF YOU DON’T HAVE ANYBODY ELECTED FROM THOSE PROVINCES, I DON’T SEE ANY POINT IN PRETENDING THAT YOU HAVE. IF YOU NEED SOMEBODY TO ADVISE YOU ON IT, FINE, HIRE THEM.>>Rosemary: AND ALSO — AND JASON, I’LL GET TO YOU WEIGH IN HERE — HE DID MANAGE TO CRAFT AN INTERESTING GROUP OF PEOPLE WHEN THEY WERE NEGOTIATING NAFTA. AND I REALIZE THAT THE STAKES ARE DIFFERENT HERE. BUT THERE WOULD BE NOTHING WRONG WITH HAVING SOME SORT OF ADVISORY COMMITTEE EVEN THAT COULD — AS LONG AS YOU ARE ACTUALLY LISTENING TO IT — THAT COULD HELP YOU TO BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT IS GOING ON. JASON?>>I THINK HE SEEMS TO KNOW THAT THE FIRST THING THAT HE NEEDS TO DO IS TO SHOW THAT HE’S LISTENING, TO SEND SIGNALS THAT HE’S LISTENING. SO WHETHER OR NOT THERE WILL BE SOMEBODY IN CABINET, WHO KNOWS. IF WE ARE THROWING SUGGESTIONS INTO THE BOX, HOW ABOUT PUTTING RALPH GOODALE NOW THAT HE’S UNEMPLOYED AS A SENIOR ADVISOR OR A PRINCIPAL SECRETARY OR SOMETHING. HE’S GOING TO NEED — YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THE PEOPLE — OUT HERE I THINK THAT PEOPLE WILL WEAR THAT THERE’S — YOU WILL WANT TO ACT AND THEY KNOW FROM HIS FIRST CABINET THAT HE’S VERY ADEPT AT PUTTING ON BIG SHOWS, DOING — TAKE MAJOR GESTURES LIKE THE GENDER EQUITABLE CABINET AND MAKING SURE THAT HE HAD SASKATCHEWANIANS ON BOARD WHEN HE COULD. BUT I THINK IS ALL WELL AND GOOD BUT I THINK PEOPLE WILL LOOK MORE TO THE ACTION AND THE POLICY STUFF THAT HE DOES. WILL HE BE RESPONDING TO KENNEY IN ANY CONCRETE WAY OR PREMIERS? WILL HE, YOU KNOW, HE’S — YOU KNOW, HE TOOK SORT OF WHAT I CALL THE RED LINE STEP — OR HE DIDN’T CROSS THE RED LINE. AND HE’S EMBRACED TRANS MOUNTAIN PIPELINE. HE’S NOT TAKEN ANY STEPS TOWARDS JAGMEET SINGH OR ELIZABETH MAY ON THAT. AND THOSE THINGS ARE VITAL. WILL HE — WILL HE GIVE KIND OF THE CONCESSIONS THAT, YOU KNOW, SUDDENLY REVERSING HIMSELF AND IMPLEMENT THE ANDREW SCHEER OIL STRATEGY, LIKE ALBERTANS WOULD LOVE HIM TO DO? PROBABLY NOT. [laughter]>>Rosemary: YEAH, PROBABLY NOT.>>THAT MIGHT NOT WORK.>>HE DID MEET A COUPLE OF JASON KENNEY’S SUGGESTIONS, DEMANDS, RIGHT OFF THE TOP THOUGH. HE SAID THAT HE WAS NOT GOING TO DO ANY KIND OF DEAL WITH THE N.D.P. AND HE SAID THAT HE WAS GOING TO PUSH THROUGH THE TRANS MOUNTAIN PIPELINE. SO HE’S ALREADY GONE PART OF THE WAY TO ADDRESSING SOME OF JASON KENNEY’S –>>Rosemary: CHANTAL.>>AND FOR THE RECORD, NEITHER OF THOSE STATEMENTS IS CAUSED BY THE RESULTS OF THE ELECTION. THIS IS A PARTY THAT WAS CONSISTENT ON ITS DESIRE TO SEE THE EXPANSION DONE. AND I WOULD HAVE BEEN AMAZED IF HE HAD SAID ANYTHING ELSE. BUT I SUSPECT THAT BY THE SAME TOKEN THAT THE REGULATORY FRAMEWORK PUT IN PLACE ALONG WITH THE CARBON TAX FOR FUTURE PROJECTS IS ALSO NON-NEGOTIABLABLE. HE’S NOT GOING TO BACK OFF FROM IT.>>Rosemary: YEAH, THOSE ARE NOT GOING TO CHANGE.>>AND TRUDEAU’S DEMANDS FROM ALBERTA AND SASKATCHEWAN, WHICH ARE WELL KNOWN, IT CUTS BOTH WAYS. AS IT HAPPENS, THREE-QUARTERS — TWO-THIRDS OF THE VOTERS ACROSS THE COUNTRY VOTED FOR PARTIES THAT ACTUALLY BACKED CARBON PRICING AND BACK A STRONGER RESPONSE TO CLIMATE CHANGE. SO TO WAKE UP THE MORNING AFTER THE ELECTION AS THE PREMIER OF SASKATCHEWAN DID AND TO SAY, NOW TAKE ALL OF ANDREW SCHEER’S PLATFORM IMMEDIATELY AND WITHDRAW ALL OF YOUR POLICIES IS LIKE TELLING VOTERS, WE DON’T CARE THAT TWO-THIRDS OF YOU HAVE JUST VALIDATED A TOUGHER APPROACH TO CLIMATE CHANGE THAN THE ONE YOU ADVOCATE.>>AND BY THE SAME TOKEN, TWO-THIRDS OF THE ELECTORATE VOTED FOR PARTIES WHO SUPPORT THE PIPELINES. SO HE HAS TO TAKE WATER IN ITS WINE AS WELL.>>Rosemary: TO THAT END THOUGH, DOESN’T THE JOB OF ENVIRONMENT MINISTER AND NATURAL RESOURCES MINISTER BECOME PRETTY CRITICAL NOW IN TERMS OF WHO YOU PUT IN THOSE PLACES?>>YEAH, I WOULD BE SURPRISED, YOU KNOW, LIKE JONATHAN WILKINSON OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT — LIKE, HE WAS THE FISHERIES MINISTER. AND HE DOESN’T GET LIKE THE ENVIRONMENT, FOR EXAMPLE. I THINK THAT THERE WILL BE A LOT OF THIS WITH THE LIBERAL GOVERNMENT, AND I THINK WE’LL SEE MORE OF IT. BUT ON THE SUBSTANTIVE POINT AND TO CHANTAL’S POINT, IT’S NOT LIKE — ALBERTA AND SASKATCHEWAN ARE VERY IMPORTANT AND THEY’RE VERY IMPORTANT TO THE ECONOMY OF THE COUNTRY. BUT THERE ARE ALSO, LIKE, MORE PEOPLE WHO VOTED FOR THE GOVERNMENT’S AGENDA AND THE G.T.A. AND TORONTO AND THERE ARE WAY MORE PEOPLE THERE THAN IN ALBERTA AND SASKATCHEWAN.>>Rosemary: I’M GOING TO TAKE A LITTLE BREAK, EVERYONE AND IT’S JUST A LITTLE BREAK, BUT “AT ISSUE” WILL BE BACK FOR ANOTHER ROUND. WE’LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE (*)>>GIVEN THE GOVERNMENT THAT WE’RE FACING IN OTTAWA NOW WE MUST BE SELF-RELIANT TO PROTECT OUR FUTURE.>>WE WILL SHOW AND PROVE TO THE PEOPLE OF QUÉBEC THAT WHEN SOMETHING IS GOOD, NOT FOR US, FOR THEM — WE WILL WORK FOR IT.>>Rosemary: JUST SOME OF THE MESSAGES FROM PREMIER KENNEY, AND THE BLOC OPPOSITION AND THE MESSAGES DIRECTED TO OTTAWA. SO WHAT IS THEIR STRATEGY TO DEAL WITH THIS NEW MINORITY GOVERNMENT? ANDREW, CHANTAL, ALTHIA AND JASON ARE BACK FOR ANOTHER ROUND. JASON, I’LL START WITH YOU ON THIS BECAUSE IT’S ALSO BUDGET DAY IN ALBERTA TODAY AND, YOU KNOW, I UNDERSTAND WHAT JASON KENNEY IS DOING, ADVOCATING AND LOBBYING FOR HIS CITIZENS. AND THAT’S GOOD. BUT I WONDER IF THERE’S NOT A RISK TO THAT AS WELL?>>WELL, CERTAINLY HE DOESN’T WANT TO BE SEEN AS, YOU KNOW, HE DOESN’T WANT TO BE SEEN AS CAPTAIN SEPARATISM IN THE REST OF THE COUNTRY OR BY HIS OWN RESIDENTS. BUT WHAT HE WANTS TO DO IS, A, TAKE ADVANTAGE OF A CRISIS AND TURN IT INTO HIS OWN OPPORTUNITY TO TRY TO GET HIS AGENDA ITEMS PASSED. AND HE ALSO, YOU KNOW, HE HAS INTERESTING THINGS — THIS WHOLE REFER END THAT HE PROMISED ON EQUALIZATION. IN ACTUALITY IT’S ABSURD AND WOULD HAVE NO EFFECT, BUT PEOPLE HAVE TOLD ME — I WILL GET TO YOU ON THAT LATER ON — BUT IN EFFECT WHAT HE’S DOING IS REALLY HE’S TRYING TO FIND THESE WAYS FOR ALBERTANS TO VENT THEIR ANGER. HE WANTS TO GIVE SOME OUT VALVE THAT THEY’RE NOT HARD SEPARATISM AND PEOPLE ARE STARTING TO DISMISS THE MAPLE LEAF OR THE OTHER INSTITUTIONS OF OUR COUNTRY. PEOPLE ARE FRUSTRATED AND HE WANTS TO CHANNEL THAT INTO FOR HIS OWN AGENDA AND FOR PLACES THAT AREN’T, YOU KNOW, COMPLETELY FRUITFUL AND PRODUCTIVE FOR COUNTRY. HE EVEN BLAMED TRUDEAU FOR THE FACT THAT HE HAD TO CUT HIS BUDGET.>>Rosemary: CHANTAL, TO THAT POINT, WHAT IS THE DANGER THERE FOR KENNEY, OR IS THERE ANY? IS THIS WHAT ALBERTANS NEED RIGHT NOW, I DON’T KNOW.>>OF COURSE THERE IS A DANGER, AN INTERNAL DANGER. AND AS SOMEONE WHO HAS SEEN IT HAPPEN IN QUÉBEC, IT’S THAT IF YOU FUEL THE FLAMES OF ALIENATION BY SAYING WE ARE — WE NEED TO DEFEND AGAINST THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, AT SOME POINT YOU PAY GET BURNT.>>Rosemary: ANDREW?>>HE HAS FUTURE LEADERSHIP ASPIRATIONS THAT YOU WANT TO KEEP ONE EYE ON. BUT I AGREE WITH CHANTAL, YOU RIDE THE TIGER AND YOU COULD END UP INSIDE IT. [laughter] YOU HAVE TO BE CAREFUL, PARTICULARLY THIS PANEL THAT HE’S APPOINTING TO GO AROUND AND TO LISTEN TO HOW ALBERTA’S PLACE IN THE FEDERATION CAN BE IMPROVED. YOU KNOW, ON THE SURFACE THAT SEEMS OKAY, BUT IT COULD BE A FORUM FOR PEOPLE MAKING ALL KINDS OF WILD SUGGESTIONS. I THINK THAT BEARS CLOSE WATCHING. I WOULD MENTION THAT THE BATTLE SEEMS TO HAVE SHIFTED FROM THE CURRENT ISSUES OF CARBON TAX AND T.M.X. TO THESE FUTURE ISSUES OF HOW WILL THE FUTURE PIPELINES, IF ANY ARE PROPOSED, GET BUILT. WELL, FOR NOW THAT IS KIND OF A MOOT QUESTION BECAUSE THERE DOESN’T SEEM TO BE A LOT OF MARKET DEMAND FOR PIPELINES BUT IT’S VALID FOR THE FUTURE AND IT MAY BE TEED UP FOR SOME FUTURE ELECTION CAMPAIGN.>>Rosemary: ALTHIA, LAST WORD TO YOU.>>I THINK THAT MR. KENNEY HAS TO BE CAREFUL IF HE HAS LEADERSHIP AMBITIONS BECAUSE HE MIGHT BE CREATING A FIRE THAT HE CANNOT PRESENT HIMSELF AS THE FIREMAN TO GO EXTINGUISH THE FLAMES. AND LIKE IN QUÉBEC AND ONTARIO, AND EVERYONE IS UPSET AND FEELS THAT HE’S JUST FUELLING ANGER IN HIS OWN PROVINCE AT THEIR EXPENSE. AND I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, HE RAN THE ELECTION CAMPAIGN AGAINST JUSTIN TRUDEAU BECAUSE RACHEL NOTLEY IS QUITE POPULAR. AND HE STILL IT SEEMS IS GOING AND CREATING A GOOD DEMAND OUT OF JUSTIN TRUDEAU. AND A LOT OF WHAT HE SAID ABOUT OTTAWA THIS WEEK DOESN’T MAKE MUCH SENSE ABOUT, LIKE, NOT HAVING A PARTNER IN OTTAWA AND BECAMING OTT WAR FOR ITS FISCAL HOUSE PROBLEMS. SOME WILL RESONATE, ABSOLUTELY. BUT IS IT RESPONSIBLE TO FUEL ANGER IN YOUR OWN PROVINCE RATHER THAN TO TRY TO CALM IT? I DON’T KNOW.>>Rosemary: AND I’LL END ON THIS, ACTUALLY, CHANTAL AND I’LL PUT IT TO YOU — THE OPPOSITE MESSAGE FROM BLANCHET TODAY WHO YOU WOULD HAVE EXPECTED TO SEE TRYING TO INFLAME CONVERSATIONS. ALTHOUGH HE HASN’T DONE THAT THROUGH THE CAMPAIGN. BUT THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE FROM WHAT YOU MIGHT EXPECT IN THE REST OF CANADA.>>BUT BECAUSE THAT’S NOT THE MOOD IN QUÉBEC. THE BLOC DID NOT WIN ON ANGER AT THE REST OF CANADA. THAT IS NOT HOW THIS PLAYED OUT. IT WON ON HAVING A GOVERNMENT THAT IS POPULAR IN QUÉBEC CITY AND ECHOING WHAT THAT POPULAR GOVERNMENT IS SAYING. THE BLOC IS IN A PERFECT POSITION. THE GOVERNMENT DOES NOT NEED IT TO SURVIVE WHICH MEANS THAT IT CAN EXPRESS WHATEVER IT WANTS TO EXPRESS WITHOUT FEARING THAT IT WILL TOPPLE THE GOVERNMENT. AND UP TO A POINT THERE IS NO REASON WHY, YOU KNOW, MR. BLANCHET WOULD HAVE COME OUT WITH A KNIFE BETWEEN HIS LIPS.>>Rosemary: OKAY, I’LL LEAVE IT THERE. THANK YOU TO ALL THREE OF YOU FOR BEING HERE FOR MANY, MANY HOURS THIS WEEK. AND TO JASON FOR DOING IT AFTER A LONG DAY IN A BUDGET LOCK-UP. I APPRECIATE IT ALL. BEFORE WE GO BE SURE TO SUBSCRIBE TO “AT ISSUE” THE PODCAST FOR EXTRA CONTENT. THIS WEEK WE’RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT JASON WANTED TO TALK ABOUT — EQUALIZATION PAYMENTS, EVERYONE’S FAVOURITE TOPIC. AS THE CURRENT CLIMATE REOPENED THAT CONVERSATION AND LOOK FOR IT ON iTUNES AND ANY MAJOR PODCAST APP AND OUR WEBSITE cbcnews.ca/thenational.>>Andrew: AND NEXT ON THE PROGRAMME, IAN IS BACK WITH MORE DEVELOPING STORIES TONIGHT. PLUS, THERE’S ONLY ONE FEMALE PREMIER AND SHE WAS JUST ELECTED IN THE NORTHWEST TERRITORIES. HEAR WHAT SHE THINKS THAT IT TAKES TO GET MORE WOMEN INTO POLITICS AHEAD IN OUR “MOMENT.” (*)>>I’m Wendy Mesley. Every Sunday, we go behind the scenes to reveal, what’s really influencing the news and the world around you. This is The Weekly. (*)>>I’M JAYME POISSON AND TOMORROW ON THE CBC’S DAILY NEWS PODCAST “FRONTBURNER,” WE’RE TALKING TO TWO CONSERVATIVES SEPARATED BY GENERATIONS ABOUT THE FUTURE OF THE PARTY GIVEN THE OUTCOME OF THE ELECTION. SUBSCRIBE WHEREVER YOU GET YOUR PODCASTS.>>Ian: WELCOME BACK. JUST ONE WEEK BEFORE THE BREXIT DEADLINE, THE BRITISH PRIME MINISTER IS NOW CALLING FOR A GENERAL ELECTION TO TRY TO BREAK THE DEADLOCK.>>IN ORDER TO CREATE A DEAD LOCKE THAT IS CREDIBLE IN EVERYBODY’S MIND, THEN THERE MUST BE THAT HARD STOP OF A GENERAL ELECTION.>>Ian: BORIS JOHNSON’S PROPOSAL WOULD HAVE VOTERS GOING TO THE POLLS DECEMBER 12th. THE OPPOSITION LABOUR PARTY WON’T SAY IF IT SUPPORTS THE IDEA. BEFORE IT KNOWS WHETHER THE E.U. WOULD GRANT A BREXIT EXTENSION. THAT’S TO BE DECIDED TOMORROW. AS FOR THE POSSIBLE ELECTION, PARLIAMENT WILL VOTE ON THAT ON MONDAY.>>>IN NORTHERN CALIFORNIA, THOUSANDS HAVE BEEN FORCED TO FLEE THEIR HOMES AS FAST-MOVING WILDFIRES CONTINUE TO BURN OUT OF CONTROL. 10 MAJOR FIRES ARE BURNING ACROSS THE STATE AND THE BIGGEST AND THE MOST DANGEROUS IS THE KINCADE BLAZE NORTH OF SAN FRANCISCO. DOZENS OF HOMES HAVE BEEN GUTTED, HUNDREDS ARE IN JEOPARDY, AND AN EVACUATION ORDER IS ISSUED TO MORE THAN 2,000 PEOPLE. ACROSS THE STATE, PREEMPTIVE BLACKOUTS HAVE LEFT MORE THAN HALF A MILLION PEOPLE IN THE DARK.>>>AND THE NUMBER OF VAPING RELATED DEATHS CONTINUES TO RISE IN THE UNITED STATES. THE U.S. HEALTH OFFICIALS SAY THAT THERE’S MORE THAN 1,600 CASES OF SERIOUS LUNG INJURIES CONNECTED TO e-CIGARETTES THAT. INCLUDES 34 DEATHS, INCLUDING ONE THIS PAST WEEK. IN CANADA THERE’S FIVE CONFIRMED OR PROBABLE CASES OF SEVERE LUNG ILLNESS RELATED TO VAPING.>>>NEXT ON “THE NATIONAL,” TALKING TO ALBERTANS. I MADE SOME STOPS ALONG THE DRIVE FROM CALGARY TO EDMONTON TO * [upbeat] Announcer:
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and CBC Gem.>>Ian: WELCOME BACK. I’M IN EDMONTON TONIGHT JUST OUTSIDE OF THE PROVINCIAL LEGISLATURE WHERE EARLIER TODAY THE UNITED CONSERVATIVE PARTY TABLED ITS FIRST BUDGET.>>WE CAN’T COUNT ON ANOTHER BOOM TO BAIL US OUT.>>Ian: INSTEAD, THE PROVINCE IS COUNTING ON CUTS TO GET ITS BALLOONING DEFICIT UNDER CONTROL. THERE’S NO QUESTION THAT IT’S BEEN A HARD FEW YEARS FOR ALBERTANS. THE ECONOMY STILL HASN’T RECOVERED FROM THE OIL CRASH AND PEOPLE HERE SEEM EAGER FOR CHANGE. ALBERTANS VOTED OVERWHELMINGLY FOR THE CONSERVATIVES IN MONDAY’S FEDERAL ELECTION, SO WHAT IS THEIR MESSAGE FOR THE REST OF CANADA? AS WE DROVE UP FROM CALGARY TODAY WE STOPPED AT GASOLINE ALLEY NEAR RED DEER TO HEAR FROM SOME OF THOSE VOTERS. (*) IF YOU HAVE DRIVEN BETWEEN CALGARY AND EDMONTON YOU’D PROBABLY RECOGNIZE THIS COMFORT FOOD LANDMARK. WE DROPPED INTO THE DONUT MILL AT LUNCHTIME AND SO DID DEBBIE. SHE’S DISAPPOINTED THAT THE CONSERVATIVES DIDN’T FORM ENOUGH SEATS TO FORM GOVERNMENT.>>WE’RE NOT HAPPY AND WE FEEL A LITTLE LEFT OUT.>>Ian: AND WHAT WOULD IT TAKE TO MAKE YOU FEEL — PART OF THE COMMUNITY.>>YOU KNOW, AGAIN, JUST GET THAT PIPELINE GOING THAT GETS THIS ECONOMY GOING. IT’S NOT JUST ONTARIO AND QUÉBEC THAT MAKES THE GROSS PRODUCT OF CANADA.>>WE SUPPORT SO MUCH OF THE COUNTRY ALREADY AND WHERE IS OUR INFLUENCE?THE COUNTRY ALREADY AND WHERE IS OUR INFLUENCE?>>Ian: SO I ASKED LLOYD MILLER WHAT ALBERTA’S MESSAGE IS FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.>>SOME OF THE STUFF WITH THE GREEN MOVEMENT AND SO ON, SOME OF IT IS JUST REALLY UNREASONABLE. IT’S GOING TO TAKE A LONG TIME. IT TAKES TIME FOR TECHNOLOGY TO IMPROVE AND PROGRESS. SO YOU CAN’T DO THAT OVERNIGHT.>>AND ONE OF THE 1,629 N.D.P. PEOPLE WHO VOTED IN MY RIDING.>>Ian: I HEAR SO MUCH ABOUT SEPARATION. DOES THAT KIND OF RHETORIC WORRY YOU?>>I THINK IT’S SILLY. I THINK WE’RE ALL ONE. WE’RE ALL CANADIAN. AND WHAT I TEACH MY CHILDREN IS THAT WE DON’T RUN AWAY FROM OUR PROBLEMS, THAT WE HAVE TO WORK WITH OUR DIFFERENCES AND WE HAVE TO FIGURE OUT A WAY THAT WORKS FOR EVERYBODY. (*)>>Ian: WENDY JOHNSON HAS A SIMILAR VIEW, THAT MAYBE POLARIZATION MIGHT LEAD TO COOPERATION.>>WHAT I DON’T LIKE IS HOW EVERYONE IS SORT OF GOING TO THEIR CORNERS AND PUTTING UP THEIR FISTS AND I’D LIKE TO JUST SEE MORE DIALOGUE. I THINK THAT HAVING A MINORITY GOVERNMENT PUTS THE GOVERNING PARTY INTO THE POSITION OF HAVING TO LISTEN.>>Ian: AND WE’LL GIVE THE LAST WORD TO GLEN STOCK, WHO REMEMBERS HOW OPPOSED HIS DAD WAS TO JUSTIN TRUDEAU’S FATHER. SO YOU’RE A CONSERVATIVE SUPPORTER. HOW DO YOU FEEL ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED ON ELECTION NIGHT? YOU DON’T SEEM ANGRY?>>I’M NOT ANGRY, NO, NO. BECAUSE THIS IS POLITICS, RIGHT? THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS. I THINK THAT CANADIANS IN GENERAL ARE THE TYPE OF PEOPLE THAT THEY WANT TO BE UNIFIED. I MEAN, CANADA IS A GREAT PLACE TO LIVE. SO NO MATTER WHAT PARTY IS IN THERE, I WOULDN’T WANT TO LIVE ANYWHERE ELSE.>>Ian: YOU KNOW, ANDREW, SOME VIEWERS MIGHT BE WONDERING OF ALL OF THE PEOPLE IN ALBERTA, WHY THOSE VOICES? THEY WERE LITERALLY THE FIRST FIVE PEOPLE WHO STOPPED TO SPEAK WITH US. AND THEY HAD A VARIETY OF POINTS OF VIEW.>>Andrew: YOU GOT A NICE CROSS SECTION THERE. SOUNDS GOOD.>>>UP AHEAD “THE MOMENT” NEXT. CANADA’S ONLY MAJORITY FEMALE CABINET ELECTED IN THE NORTHWEST * [upbeat] Announcer:
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and CBC Gem.>>Rosemary: THIS IS THE NEWLY ELECTED PREMIER OF THE NORTHWEST TERRITORIES AND THIS IS THE CLUB OF MEN SHE’S JOINING. THE ONLY WOMAN PREMIER IN THIS COUNTRY RIGHT NOW. WHILE SHE ISN’T THE FIRST WOMAN TO LEAD THE NORTHWEST TERRITORIES, IN MANY WAYS HER ELECTION MARKS A NEW ERA FOR GENDER EQUALITY, AND BECAUSE OF THAT IT’S TONIGHT’S “MOMENT.” [Applause] THE NORTHWEST TERRITORIES RUNS ON CONSENSUS. ITS LEGISLATURE HAS NO PARTY AFFILIATIONS AND IT WAS THE 19 M.L.A.s THEMSELVES WHO VOTED CAROLINE COCHRANE AS THEIR PREMIER.>>IT’S TIME FOR WOMEN TO BE AT THE TABLE.>>Rosemary: FOUR OF HER SIX CABINET MINISTERS ARE ALSO WOMEN. THAT’S UNPRECEDENTED.>>IT’S ALL ABOUT ROLE MODELING. THE MORE WOMEN THAT ACTUALLY GET ELECTED INTO ANY KIND OF LEADERSHIP POSITION, IT SHOWS THE YOUNGER WOMEN AND WOMEN AROUND US THAT THEY CAN DO IT TOO.>>Rosemary: THE HOPE FROM COCHRANE IS THAT THE NORTHWEST TERRITORIES DOESN’T STAY AN OUTLIAR FOR LONG.>>IT’S GOING TO BE LONELY AND I REALIZE THAT I’M THE ONLY WOMAN PREMIER. AND I’M STRONGLY SAYING FOR EVERY JURISDICTION TO CONSIDER THE WOMAN CANDIDATE. WE HAVE THINGS TO OFFER.>>Rosemary: SO IN LIGHT OF THIS STORY THAT WE HAD EARLIER TONIGHT FROM SALIMAH ABOUT CATHERINE McKENNA AND THE WAY THAT SHE WAS TREATED TODAY AT OUR OFFICE, WE THOUGHT THAT WAS A NICE WAY TO CLOSE THE SHOW. THAT THERE ARE MOMENTS WHEN WOMEN ARE HELD UP IN POLITICS AND THAT MATTERS A WHOLE LOT.>>Ian: UNQUESTIONABLY. AND BEYOND THAT I THINK THAT IT WOULD BE AN INTERESTING TIME FOR REALLY ALL OF US TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THE WAY THAT GOVERNANCE IS DONE IN THE NORTH, THE CONSENSUS SYSTEM, THE LACK OF PARTIES. AND I HAVE HEARD THAT MANY TIMES. BUT I HAVE TO ADMIT THAT I DON’T HAVE A DEEP KNOWLEDGE ON HOW DECISIONMAKING IS DONE IN THOSE LEGISLATURES. SO IT WILL BE INTERESTING TO FIND OUT.>>Andrew: IT’S A BIG COUNTRY AND AN INTERESTING COUNTRY. I JUST THINK THAT IT’S CRAZY THAT YOU ONLY HAVE TO LOOK BACK TO THE EARLY 1990s TO FIND THE FIRST EXAMPLE OF A FEMALE PREMIER OF A PROVINCE OR TERRITORY IN THIS COUNTRY. THAT’S CRAZY TO ME. I THOUGHT THAT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN A LOT EARLIER THAN THAT.>>>THAT’S “THE NATIONAL” FOR THIS THURSDAY, OCTOBER 24th. HAVE A GOOD NIGHT.>>Rosemary: GOODNIGHT.>>Ian: GOODNIGHT.

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