The National for Friday, Nov. 1 — Quebec storm cleanup; what’s next for Boeing and the Max 8

The National for Friday, Nov. 1 — Quebec storm cleanup; what’s next for Boeing and the Max 8


(*) (*)>>Andrew: TONIGHT, ALMOST A MILLION PEOPLE WITHOUT POWER IN QUÉBEC. HIGH WINDS, DOWNED TREES AND RISING RIVERS.>>I MEAN, ALL OF THOSE TREES ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE IN THE WATER.>>Andrew: WE’RE WITH RESIDENTS AS THEY ASSESS THE DAMAGE.>>>TORONTO CONFRONTS A NEW FLARE-UP IN GUN AND KNIFE VIOLENCE.>>THIS IS ABOUT OUR BABIES AND IT IS ABOUT THEIR HEALTH.>>Andrew: WHY WAS AMAZON DELIVERING EXPIRED FOOD TO SOME CANADIANS?>>>AND HOLDING BOEING TO ACCOUNT FOR THE MAX 8 DISASTERS. OUR EXPERT PANEL HAS IT COVERED. THE VIEW FROM PASSENGERS, PILOTS AND THE LAW.>>>THIS IS “THE NATIONAL.” (*) (*)>>>IT’S BEEN A VERY WET, VERY WINDY START TO NOVEMBER FOR PEOPLE LIVING IN CENTRAL AND EASTERN CANADA. AND AN ENORMOUS NUMBER OF THEM HAVE TO COPE WITH THE FALLOUT WITHOUT POWER. A POWERFUL FALL STORM CAUSED WIDESPREAD DESTRUCTION FROM SOUTHERN ONTARIO ALL THE WAY TO THE MARITIMES. 100 KILOMETRE AN HOUR WINDS, TREES CRASHING INTO CARS AND SIDING TORN FROM HOMES AND LOTS OF DOWNED POWERLINES. BUT QUÉBEC HAS RECEIVED THE WORST OF IT. ALMOST A MILLION PEOPLE HAVE BEEN WITHOUT POWER AND DOZEN OF HOMES HAVE BEEN EVACUATED DUE TO THE RISING FLOODWATERS. SARAH LEAVITT HAS THE LATEST ON THE GROUND.>>Reporter: IN MANY AREAS OF THE PROVINCE, NOTHING WAS SAFE FROM THE WIND. ONE MAN DIED AFTER A TREE STRUCK HIM IN THE HEAD. ANOTHER IS IN SERIOUS CONDITION WHEN BRICKS FROM THIS BUILDING FELL ON HIM. AND SCENES LIKE THIS WERE FOUND IN COMMUNITY AFTER COMMUNITY.>>[Speaking French]>>Reporter: THIS WOMAN SAYS THAT A TREE FELL ON HER HOME CAUSING FLOODING AND A FIRE.>>WE HAVE TEAMS DEPLOYED ALL ACROSS QUÉBEC. SO WE’RE TACKLING EVERY AREA AT THE SAME TIME.>>Reporter: THIS IS THE RIVER WHICH FLOWS THROUGH THE TOWN OF COWANSVILLE. RESIDENTS SAY THAT WHILE SOME AMOUNT OF FLOODING IS NORMAL IN THIS AREA, THAT THE RISING WATERS HAVE NEVER SEEMED SO FAST, NOR HAVE THEY FLOODED HOMES TO THIS EXTENT.>>ALL OF THOSE TREES ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO BE IN THE WATER. YOU’RE SUPPOSED TO HAVE A NICE LUSCIOUS LAWN AND EVERYTHING BUT NOT TODAY.>>Reporter: AS THE RIVER BREACHED ITS BANKS, 30 HOMES WERE EVACUATED. HOMEOWNERS NOT YET FLOODED HELD THEIR BREATH. IN NEARBY SHERBROOKE, THE TOWN WAS FORCED TO CLOSE THE MAIN ROAD. HOMES WERE ALSO EVACUATED AS PART OF A PREVENTATIVE MEASURE. THIS WOMAN WOKE UP TO DISCOVER HER CAR WASN’T WHERE SHE PARKED IT.>>[Speaking French]>>Reporter: SHE SAYS THAT A SUDDEN LANDSLIDE CAUSED HER CAR TO BE SWEPT DOWN THE STREET. NOT FAR AWAY, THIS SINKHOLE OPENED UP IN THE MIDDLE OF A ROAD. THE WINDS ALSO CAUSED ACCIDENTS ON HIGHWAYS. THIS SEMI WAS BLOWN RIGHT OVER. HYDRO QUÉBEC TEAMS HAVE BEEN OUT ALL DAY WORKING TO FIX DOWNED POWERLINES AND RESTORE SERVICE.>>EVERYTHING IS UNDER CONTROL PRETTY MUCH RIGHT NOW. AND THE SITUATION SHOULD BE STABILIZED BY TOMORROW.>>Reporter: BUT IT’S NOT ALL GOOD NEWS. THE WORST-HIT AREAS MAY NOT BE FIXED BEFORE NEXT WEEK. SARAH LEAVITT, CBC NEWS, COWANSVILLE, QUÉBEC.>>Andrew: AS WE MENTIONED EARLIER THE EFFECTS OF THIS STORM WERE FELT WELL BEYOND QUÉBEC’S BORDERS. THIS WAS ONE OF THE MORE DRAMATIC SCENES IN OTTAWA TODAY. A HOUSE UNDER CONSTRUCTION BLOWN RIGHT OFF ITS TEMPORARY SUPPORTS. NEARBY A BRANCH SMASHED INTO THIS PASSING S.U.V.>>SO HONESTLY, WHEN YOU GET TO A SCENE LIKE THIS YOU FEAR THE WORST. BUT THEY WERE EXTREMELY GLAD THAT THE DRIVER WAS NOT INJURED MORE SERIOUSLY.>>Andrew: AND OVER IN NEW BRUNSWICK, A SIMILAR STORY.>>I AM NOT ABLE TO WALK.>>SHE TOOK THE DOG OUT FOR A WALK THIS MORNING AND ALMOST BLEW AWAY.>>Andrew: DOWNED TREES STARTED SMALL FIRES AND BLEW TRANSFORMERS AND CUTTING POWER FOR TENS OF THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE. AND THE UTILITY CREWS ARE WARNING THAT SOME MAY BE IN THE DARK ALL NIGHT.>>>OKAY TO WINNIPEG NOW WHERE OUTSIDE OF A HOSPITAL A VIGIL WAS HELD FOR A TODDLER WHO WAS STABBED IN HIS SLEEP AND IS EXPECTED TO BE TAKEN OFF LIFE SUPPORT.>>THIS IS A REMINDER THAT WE NEED TO PROTECT OUR CHILDREN, NOT ONLY OUR CHILDREN BUT WE NEED TO PROTECT EVERYBODY’S CHILDREN. (*)>>Andrew: SUPPORTERS PRAYED FOR STRENGTH. THE FAMILY OF HUNTER STRAIGHT-SMITH SAYS THAT THE 3-YEAR-OLD SUFFERED SEVERE BRAIN DAMAGE WHEN HE WAS ALLEGEDLY ATTACKED IN HIS ROOM ON WEDNESDAY BY THIS MAN. DANIEL JENSEN HAD BEEN CHARGED WITH ATTEMPTED MURDER. POLICE CLAIM THAT HE HAD AN ARGUMENT WITH THE TODDLER’S MOTHER BEFORE THE ATTACK.>>>WELL, IN TORONTO VIOLENCE CONTINUES AT A SHOCKING PACE. HALLOWEEN NIGHT SAW FOUR SEPARATE SHOOTINGS AND A TRIPLE STABBING. TOGETHER THEY LEFT ONE PERSON DEAD AND SEVERAL OTHERS INJURED. ELLEN MAURO HAS MORE FROM THE CITY STRUGGLING TO FIND A SOLUTION.>>Reporter: EVERY FRIDAY AFTER SCHOOL THIS IS WHERE YOU’LL FIND 14-YEAR-OLD JOHNNY ADAMS.>>I LEARN HOW TO BUILD RESUMES AND HOW TO GET JOBS AND CERTAIN THINGS, LIKE LIFE SKILLS AND TAKING CARE OF YOURSELF.>>Reporter: IT’S A COMMUNITY CENTRE IN EAST TORONTO, AN AREA HIT BY GUN VIOLENCE.>>THERE IS LIKE A LOT OF VIOLENCE IN COMMUNITIES. AND HAVING COMMUNITY PROGRAMMES LIKE THIS KEEPS TEENS OUT OF TROUBLE.>>Reporter: WHILE IT LOOKS FUN, ITS FOUNDER SAYS THAT WITH THE LACK OF FUNDING IT’S NOT EASY.>>IT’S A CASE OF A LITTLE TOO LATE RIGHT NOW. IF YOU SEE WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH THE VIOLENCE, IT’S AT A CRITICAL MASS.>>Reporter: OVERNIGHT THERE WAS A FATAL SHOOTING NEAR A SCHOOL. ANOTHER SHOOTING INJURED A PASSENGER IN AN UBER VEHICLE. AND THERE WAS A STABBING AT A HALLOWEEN PARTY THAT LEFT SEVEN INJURED. ON THURSDAY MORNING, ANOTHER SHOOTING. AND THIS ATTACK ON WEDNESDAY NIGHT. GUNMEN OPENING FIRE ON FIVE TEENAGERS.>>WE HAVE PEOPLE WHO ARE DETERMINED OR THINK THAT IT’S OKAY IN SOME WAY OR OTHER TO EVEN CARRY A WEAPON, LET ALONE USE IT. AND WE JUST HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT.>>Reporter: BUT HOW? THE PROBLEM IS DAUNTING. THERE HAVE BEEN ABOUT 400 SHOOTINGS ACROSS TORONTO THIS YEAR, WITH 34 PEOPLE KILLED. DEMANDS FOR ACTION HAVE BEEN MET WITH INCREASED POLICING. BUT EVEN IF THAT STRATEGY REDUCES SHOOTINGS AS IT DID FOLLOWING THE SUMMER OF THE GUN IN 2005, IN THE LONG TERM –>>ONCE A PROGRAMME HAS ENDED YOU HAVE THE SAME KINDS OF CORE CONDITIONS IN THE NEIGHBOURHOOD — POVERTY, SYSTEMIC RACIAL EXCLUSION FROM THE LABOUR MARKET THAT ARE FUNNELING THE SAME KINDS OF YOUNG PEOPLE INTO GANGS.>>Reporter: AND SO ACTIVISTS ARGUE THAT THE BEST WAY TO STEM THE VIOLENCE IS THROUGH PROGRAMMES LIKE THESE.>>WE HAVE YOUTH THAT COME IN AND THEY’RE ABLE TO HAVE A MEAL AND TO HAVE POSITIVE ROLE MODELS AROUND THEM.>>Reporter: BUT MANY OF THOSE PROGRAMMES ARE NOW LOOKING FOR MONEY AND POLITICAL COMMITMENT. ELLEN MAURO, CBC NEWS, TORONTO.>>Andrew: AS THE DEBATE OVER PIPELINES RAGES IN CANADA, THE LAST THING THAT THE OILPATCH NEEDED WAS A SPILL. TONIGHT A MAMMOTH CLEANUP EFFORT IS UNDERWAY IN NORTH DAKOTA AFTER THE KEYSTONE PIPELINE RUPTURED. IT HAS CERTAINLY LEAKED A NUMBER OF TIMES BEFORE BUT NEVER THIS MUCH. THE KEYSTONE DELIVERS ALBERTA CRUDE TO AMERICAN REFINERIES AND RAPTURED EARLIER THIS WEEK NEAR EDINBURGH SOUTHWEST OF WINNIPEG WITH NEARLY A MILLION LITRES OF OIL SOAKING INTO THE GROUND. CAROLYN DUNN SHOWS US THE CLEANUP EFFORT.>>Reporter: IN A USUALLY QUIET REMOTE FARMER’S FIELD IN NORTH DAKOTA, A HIVE OF ACTIVITY. IT TAKES MANY HANDS TO CLEAN UP AN OIL SPILL THAT HAS SOAKED THE LAND HALF THE SIZE OF A FOOTBALL FIELD.>>AT THIS POINT OUR CREWS ARE FOCUSING ON OIL RECOVERY. AND THEY’LL CONTINUE TO DO THAT UNTIL THAT’S COMPLETE.>>Reporter: UPCLOSE, THE SPILL DOESN’T LOOK LIKE MUCH, BUT THE RUPTURE SPEWED 1.4 MILLION LITRES OF OIL.>>THIS IS LIKE A WHALE BLOWING OUT ITS WATER, YOU KNOW, IT BLEW THE OIL UP INTO THE AIR. WHEN YOU SEE THE SITE, YOU CAN SEE WHERE THE OIL SPRAYED AND GOT CAUGHT INTO THE WIND AND IT DRIFTED OVER.>>IT WAS REALLY HEAVY, HEAVY SMELLING AND IT’S KIND OF SCARY. I DIDN’T EXPECT ANYTHING LIKE THIS TO HAPPEN.>>Reporter: THE KEYSTONE MAIN PIPELINE HAS BEEN SHUT OFF. THE ANALYSTS SAY THAT IS HALF A MILLION BARRELS OF OIL PER DAY COMING OUT OF WESTERN CANADA. THE SPILL WILL LIKELY FURTHER THE DIVIDE ON KEYSTONE’S EXPANSION PROJECT, THE KEYSTONE X.L. PIPELINE. EARLIER THIS WEEK WHILE THE MAIN PIPELINE WAS ALREADY QUIETLY SPILLING OIL IN NORTH DAKOTA, A PUBLIC MEETING ON ITS EXPANSION IN MONTANA WAS SHARPLY DIVIDED.>>WHEN A PIPELINE SPILLS OR LEAKS IT OFTEN TAKES A VERY LONG TIME. THERE’S A LOT OF ENVIRONMENTAL DESTRUCTION THAT IS DONE BEFORE THAT SPILL IS FOUND OR DETECTED.>>IT’S A NEEDED PROJECT, NOT ONLY ENVIRONMENTALLY, BECAUSE OF THE TRUCKING ISSUE AND STUFF LIKE THAT. I THINK THAT THE PIPELINES ARE A LOT SAFER THAN ANY OTHER TRANSPORT FOR OIL.>>WHEN IT’S BUILT, THEY WILL LEAK.>>Reporter: IN CANADA, THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF ENVIRONMENTAL DEFENCE SAYS THAT THIS LATEST SPILL CLEARLY SHOWS WHAT CAN GO WRONG.>>IT’S VERY HARD TO RECOVER MORE THAN A FRACTION OF THE OIL. MOST OF IT ENDS UP STUCK IN THE ENVIRONMENT AND CAN’T BE RECOVERED.>>Reporter: P.C. ENERGY HAS SENT A SAMPLE OF THE PIPELINE TO AN INDEPENDENT LAB TO HELP TO DETERMINE THE CAUSE OF THE SPILL. CAROLYN DUNN, CBC NEWS, CALGARY.>>Andrew: IN CALIFORNIA, THE WEATHER IS GETTING A LITTLE BETTER, ALLOWING FIREFIGHTERS TO GET A BETTER HANDLE ON SEVERAL WILDFIRES THAT HAVE BEEN BURNING FOR DAYS. BUT THERE IS A NEW CHALLENGE — A NEW FIRE PUTTING MORE HOMES UNDER THREAT. THIS LATEST INFERNO IS THE MARIA FIRE.>>LOOK AT THAT!>>ALL THE WAY UP.>>Andrew: NEAR WHERE IT SPARKED NORTH OF L.A. THERE’S FOUR OTHERS. AND THAT WAS KEY TO THE INITIAL RESPONSE.>>A GOOD THING FOR US IS THAT WE STILL HAD A LOT OF EQUIPMENT THERE BECAUSE OF THE EASY FIRE. SO WHAT WE DID IS WE RELOCATED A LOT OF THAT EQUIPMENT OVER TO THIS FIRE.>>Andrew: HERE ANOTHER 8,000 PEOPLE HAVE BEEN ORDERED TO GET OUT AS THE CREWS TRY TO SAVE 2,300 BUILDINGS. AT LEAST TWO HOMES HAVE ALREADY GONE UP IN FLAMES. MEANWHILE ALL OF THE OTHER MAJOR CALIFORNIA WILDFIRES ARE NOW AT LEAST 65% CONTAINED, INCLUDING THE KINCAIDE FIRE THAT HAS BEEN BURNING WINE COUNTRY FOR MORE THAN A WEEK. SOMETHING ELSE ABOUT THAT KINCAIDE FIRE, IT’S DESTROYED MORE THAN 350 BUILDINGS, MANY OF THEM HOMES. AND WHILE IN A BROADER SENSE THERE’S A PUSH TO STOP BUILDING IN AREAS THAT ARE PRONE TO FIRE, THERE ARE STILL LOTS OF PEOPLE WHO ARE WILLING TO TAKE THAT RISK. KIM BRUNHUBER EXPLAINS.>>Reporter: WITH CALIFORNIA ON FIRE, MANY HERE HAVE WATCHED THESE VERY LANDS BURN BEFORE. AND WITH RECENT FIRE SEASONS GETTING WORSE, MANY LIVE WITH ONE FOOT OUT THE DOOR.>>I HAD ALMOST EVERYTHING READY TO GO.>>Reporter: ONE IN FOUR CALIFORNIANS LIVE IN AREAS CONSIDERED AT HIGH RISK FOR WILDFIRES. ACCORDING TO A RECENT STUDY, THE BUILDINGS LIKELY TO BURN ARE FOUND NOT IN THE WILDLANDS BUT ADJACENT, WITHIN 2.5 KILOMETRES OF WILD AREAS.>>4.5 MILLION HOMES ARE IN VERY HIGH-RISK AREAS.>>Reporter: DESPITE THE RISK, CALIFORNIA’S GOVERNOR WON’T BAN CONSTRUCTION IN THESE DANGEROUS ZONES BECAUSE HE DOESN’T WANT TO LIMIT LOCAL CONTROL OR INFRINGE ON THE STATE’S PIONEERING SPIRIT. BUT SOME CALIFORNIA POLITICIANS DISAGREE. STATE SENATOR BEN ALLEN IS TOURING THE NEIGHBOURHOOD HARD HIT BY THE GETTY FIRE. SHOULD MORE BE DONE?>>I THINK SO. I DON’T KNOW THAT I SHARE THE GOVERNMENT’S PROSPECTIVE ON THIS. I THINK THAT WE HAVE TO BE TIGHTER ON GROWTH INTO FIRE ZONES.>>Reporter: ALLEN SUPPORTED A NEW BILL THAT WOULD HAVE DONE JUST, THAT BUT BECAUSE THE URBAN HOUSING IS SO EXPENSIVE, THE BILL DIDN’T PASS. SO INSTEAD OF AVOIDING HIGH-RISK ZONES, CALIFORNIANS CONTINUE TO BUILD. RIGHT NOW BELOW US THERE’S JUST BRUSH, BUT SOON SAYS URBAN PLANNER JACK IKE, THAT WILL CHANGE.>>THEY’RE PROPOSING TO BUILD 19,000 HOMES RIGHT ON THE HISTORIC FIRE ZONE. THERE’S BEEN 30 FIRES IN THIS AREA IN RECENT YEARS.>>Reporter: A MASSIVE NEW COMMUNITY WILL BE BUILT OUTSIDE OF LOS ANGELES IN A TINDERBOX OF GRASS AND TREES BOXED BY WINDY CANYONS. COMMUNITIES LIKE THIS ARE SPRINGING UP ACROSS THE STATE, AND WITH CLIMATE CHANGE LEADING TO HOTTER, DRYER, WINDIER CONDITIONS, HE SAYS, THAT THE DANGER WILL JUST GROW.>>WE’RE PUTTING A LOT OF PEOPLE AT HARM. THE ONLY WAY TO PROTECT AGAINST THAT IS NOT TO BUILD.>>Reporter: AND THAT’S UNLIKELY, ACCORDING TO THE FIRE RESEARCHER, ALICE HILL.>>WE ARE OPTIMISTS SO WE DON’T THINK ABOUT THIS IN TERMS OF THE RISKS TO US.>>Reporter: IN RECENT YEARS, MORE THAN 90% OF THE BUILDINGS THAT BURNED DOWN WERE REBUILT. THE ONLY WAY TO STOP THE CYCLE, HILL SAYS, IS THROUGH LEGISLATION.>>THERE ARE FEW EXAMPLES OF SUCCESSFUL EFFORTS OF MOVING PEOPLE AWAY FROM THEIR HOMES IN THE FACE OF RISK.>>Reporter: LAST YEAR IN CALIFORNIA, FIRES KILLED MORE THAN 100 PEOPLE AND DESTROYED ALMOST 23,000 BUILDINGS. BUT THIS WE KNOW THAT MOST OF THESE HOMES WILL BE REBUILT, AND MOST OF THESE LANDS WILL BURN AGAIN. KIM BRUNHUBER, CBC NEWS, LOS ANGELES.>>Andrew: TO OTTAWA NOW WHERE COMMUTERS PROBABLY WANT TO THROW THE TRANSIT SYSTEM UNDER THE BUS. LAST MONTH THE CITY INTRODUCED MASSIVE CHANGES BUT THE TRANSITION HAS NOT BEEN SMOOTH. SO TODAY AS HILLARY JOHNSTONE EXPLAINS, THE MAYOR PROMISED A FIX.>>Reporter: THE PROBLEMS BEGAN JUST DAYS AFTER THE CITY’S LIGHT RAIL TRAIN STARTED TO RUN WHEN THE DOORS JAMMED AT TWO DIFFERENT STATIONS. AND THE BACKUP BUSES COULDN’T HANDLE THE CROWDS. THAT LED TO SCENES LIKE THIS.>>I’M CONSISTENTLY LATE FOR WORK NOW AND MY BOSS IS TAKING ME ASIDE. SO NOW I HAVE TO LEAVE AND GET HERE AT 4:30 TO DO ALL OF MY MORNING STUFF AND IT’S JUST RIDICULOUS.>>Reporter: AT FIRST THE CITY KEPT THE OLD BUSES RUNNING ALONGSIDE THE TRAIN BUT WHEN THE BUSES STOPPED GOING DOWNTOWN, MORE CRACKS IN THE SYSTEM APPEARED. THE PROBLEM IS TWOFOLD.>>HALF OF THE COMPLAINTS THAT WE GET ARE TRAIN RELATED AND THE OTHER HALF WE SOMETIMES OVERLOOK ARE BUS RELATED.>>Reporter: THE TRAINS HAVE FACED EVERYTHING FROM SIGNAL FAILURES TO ONGOING DELAYS. AND THE BUSES THAT BRING COMMUTERS TO THOSE TRAINS CONSISTENTLY FAILED TO SHOW UP. IT’S CREATED A STORM OF IMPERFECTIONS AS THE CAPITAL CHANGES HOW IT TRAVELS. TODAY THE CITY ANNOUNCED IT’S THROWING $3.5 MILLION AT THE PROBLEM AND WILL BRING BACK SOME OF THE BUSES.>>THAT’S WHY THE EXTRA BUSES, THE EXTRA DOLLARS, I’LL BE ANNOUNCING EVEN ADDITIONAL DOLLARS IN THE BUDGET FOR MORE BUS SERVICE.>>Reporter: SOME OBSERVERS SAY THAT THEY’RE CAUTIOUSLY OPTIMISTIC.>>IT’S A GOOD THING THAT THE BUSES ARE BEING PUT BACK ON THE ROADS. IT DOESN’T REALLY SOLVE THE UNDERLYING ISSUE, WHICH IS THE RELIABILITY ISSUE WITH THE TRAINS. BECAUSE UNTIL WE HAVE RELIABLE TRAINS, THE PUBLIC’S CONFIDENCE IS NOT GOING TO BE THERE IN OUR VERY EXPENSIVE MULTIMODAL SYSTEM.>>Reporter: OTTAWA’S MAYOR SAYS THAT THE CITY WILL WITHHOLD $2.8 MILLION FROM ITS OCTOBER PAYMENT TO THE CONSORTIUM WHO BUILT THE NEW L.R.T. LINE AND THEY’LL CONTINUE TO DO THIS UNTIL THE SYSTEM IMPROVES. HILLARY JOHNSTONE, CBC NEWS, OTTAWA.>>Andrew: AND WE’VE GOT MORE NEWS AHEAD, INCLUDING FOOD FOR THOUGHT BEFORE ORDERING GROCERIES ON AMAZON. WHY CANADIANS WERE BEING DELIVERED EXPIRED FOOD, SOMETIMES MONTHS BEYOND ITS BEST-BEFORE-DATE.>>>AND WOULD YOU BE READY TO HOP BACK ON A BOEING 737 MAX 8? THE COMPANY’S C.E.O. WAS GRILLED THIS WEEK ABOUT TWO DEADLY PLANE CRASHES. WE’LL EXPLORE WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE PLANES GET BACK IN THE AIR.>>Ian: AND RESIDENTS OF A TORONTO NEIGHBOURHOOD SAY THEY ARE FED UP. THEY SAY THIS IS HAPPENING ALL THE TIME. NOW THE MAYOR IS WEIGHING IN AND WE’RE BACK IN TWO MINUTES. (*)>>Andrew: HEY THERE, WELCOME BACK.>>>IF YOU’RE ORDERING GROCERIES FROM AMAZON YOU MIGHT WANT TO TAKE A CLOSE LOOK AT THE EXPIRY DATE. CBC NEWS FOUND A DISTURBING TREND — DOZENS OF COMPLAINTS OF PRODUCTS PAST THEIR PRIME, SOMETIMES BY MONTHS. AS JACQUELINE HANSEN REPORTS, QUESTIONS FROM CBC MAY HAVE PROMPTED THE COMPANY TO CHANGE ITS POLICY.>>IT’S BABY FOOD. HOW CAN THEY DO THAT?>>Reporter: LANA LUKYANAVA ORDERED HER DAUGHTER HEINZ BABY FOOD POWERS FROM AMAZON.CA. WHEN YOU SEE AMAZON THERE, YOU THINK THAT IS A COMPANY –>>THAT’S RIGHT.>>Reporter: THAT YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO TRUST?>>YEAH.>>Reporter: BUT WHEN IT ARRIVED IT WAS SEVERAL DAYS PAST THE BEST-BEFORE-DATE.>>I WAS SHOCKED. THIS IS ABOUT OUR BABIES AND ABOUT THEIR HEALTH.>>Reporter: AMAZON POLICY STATED THAT GROCERY ITEMS WERE NOT ELIGIBLE FOR RETURNS. SHE LEFT A CRITICAL REVIEW ON AMAZON’S SITE.>>I WAS HOPING THAT IT WOULD CAUSE SOME REACTION, BUT THERE WAS NOTHING, NO APOLOGY, NO FEEDBACK, NOTHING.>>Reporter: LUKYANAVA’S COMPLAINT WAS ONE OF DOZENS THAT CBC NEWS FOUND ABOUT GROCERY PRODUCTS ON AMAZON.CA, COMPLAINTS OF EXPIRED INFANT FORMULA, MAYONNAISE AND SALAD DRESS ASKING COCONUT MILK AND MORE, ALL PAST THEIR BEST-BEFORE-DATE. IT’S A PROBLEM IN THE U.S., PARTICULARLY WHEN IT COMES TO THIRD-PARTY SELLERS.>>IT’S NOT JUST ONE OR TWO CUSTOMERS.>>Reporter: DATA ANALYTICS FIRM THREE P.M. LOOKED AT THE TOP 100 GROCERY PRODUCTS ON AMAZON.COM. IT FOUND THAT 40% OF THE SELLERS RECEIVED MULTIPLE COMPLAINTS OF, — EXPIRED FOOD. AMAZON’S CANADIAN SITE HAS FAR FEWER PRODUCTS AND SELLERS BUT AS THE GROCERY BUSINESS GROWS, SO COULD THE PROBLEMS.>>CANADA WILL SEE THE SAME SELLERS AND HAVE THE SAME PROBLEMS AS WE HAVE IN THE UNITED STATES.>>Reporter: AMAZON INSISTS THAT IT VETS THIRD-PARTY SELLERS AND THAT IT HAS POLICIES TO ENSURE PRODUCTS HAVE A SUFFICIENT SHELF LIFE. BUT MOST OF THE COMPLAINTS THAT CBC FLAGGED WERE FOR PRODUCTS SOLD BY AMAZON. THE COMPANY SAYS THAT THOSE WERE DUE TO TECHNICAL ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN ADDRESSED.>>IT’S ALL DOWN TO HOW THEY STORE AND HOW THEY TRANSPORT IT.>>Reporter: THIS FOOD SAFETY EXPERT SAYS THAT SHOPPERS SHOULD STILL BE WARY ABOUT ORDERING ANY FOOD PRODUCTS ONLINE.>>THE THING ABOUT ONLINE FOOD SALE IS THAT YOU’RE REALLY DEPENDING ON THE SELLER DOING ALL OF THE RIGHT THINGS.>>Reporter: AFTER CBC NEWS CONTACTED AMAZON THEY UPDATED THEIR RETURN POLICY AND THEY STATE THAT GROCERY ITEMS CAN BE REFUNDED OR REPLACED. THE COMPANY ALSO APOLOGISED TO LUKYANAVA AND GAVE HER HER MONEY BACK. JACQUELINE HANSEN, CBC NEWS, TORONTO.>>Andrew: OKAY, NOW TO OUR NATIONAL NEWSROOM IN VANCOUVER WHERE IAN IS WATCHING STORIES FROM ACROSS CANADA RIGHT NOW.>>Ian: ANDREW, LET’S START IN TORONTO WHERE A TWITTER VIDEO HAS RESIDENTS SOUNDING THE ALARM ABOUT TRAFFIC CONGESTION AND UNSAFE DRIVING IN THEIR NEIGHBOURHOOD.>>THIS GUY IS DRIVING UP ON THE SIDEWALK.>>Ian: YOU’VE SEEN THAT RIGHT, A DRIVER BY-PASSING HEAVY TRAFFIC AND DRIVING ON THE SIDEWALK. THE VIDEO IS GENERATING SHOCKED REACTION. BUT RESIDENTS OF THIS NORTH TORONTO NEIGHBOURHOOD SAY THIS IS THEIR REALITY.>>A WOMAN HAS TRIED TO RUN ME DOWN ON THE SIDEWALK SO SHE COULD GET AHEAD OF WHOEVER WAS HERE.>>Reporter: CONGEST JOB HAS INCREASED DUE TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEARBY LIGHT RAPID TRANSIT LINE. THIS IS AS THE CITY IS ROLLING OUT THE SECOND PHASE OF ITS VISION ZERO PLAN AIMED AT ENDING PEDESTRIAN AND CYCLIST DEATHS.>>REVENGE PORN INVOLVING FOUR WOMEN IS SENDING A SASKATCHEWAN MAN TO JAIL FOR 18 MONTHS. 28-YEAR-OLD DALAN HIBO GOT NUDE IMAGES FROM THE WOMEN WHEN IN RELATIONSHIPS WITH THEM BUT AFTER BREAK-UPS HE’D POST THEIR PICTURES TO PORN SITES. THE VICTIMS SAID THAT IT’S CAUSED THEM IMMENSE STRESS AND ANXIETY AND THEY FEARED FOR THEIR JOBS AND THEIR SAFETY.>>WE HAVE SEEN AN INCREASE IN THESE CHARGES OVER EVEN THE LAST COUPLE MONTHS. SO I THINK SETTING A PRECEDENT OF 18 MONTHS IN JAIL IS A GOOD START.>>Ian: HIS LAWYER SAYS THAT HIS CLIENT FEELS IMMENSE REMORSE AND HAS ACCEPTED RESPONSIBILITY FOR WHAT HE DID.>>>AND MORE WORRYING NEWS TONIGHT FOR CUSTOMERS OF THE DESJARDIN GROUP. THE FINANCIAL INSTITUTION SAYS THAT MORE PEOPLE WERE AFFECTED BY A RECENT DATA LEAK THAN THE 2.7 MILLION ACCOUNTS FIRST REPORTED. AND NOW ALL 4.2 MILLION PERSONAL BANKING MEMBERS ARE SAID TO HAVE BEEN AFFECTED. STILL, THE QUÉBEC GOVERNMENT IS DEFENDING THE COMPANY’S HANDLING OF THE SITUATION.>>IN THE CASE OF IDENTITY THEFT THERE WILL BE SIGNIFICANT HELP, IT MEANS THAT THEY’RE DEALING WITH THE SITUATION ADEQUATELY.>>Ian: NEARLY 200,000 BUSINESS ACCOUNTS HAVE ALSO BEEN COMPROMISED BY THE BREACH.>>>A MAJOR CHANGE IN THE RACE TO BECOME THE DEMOCRAT’S PRESIDENTIAL NOMINEE. ONE OF THE INTERNATIONAL STORIES THAT WE’LL HAVE IN 20 MINUTES.>>Andrew: OKAY, AND TIME FOR A QUICK BREAK. WHEN WE COME BACK A SECOND LOOK AT BOEING AND ITS BID TO GET ITS MAX 8s BACK IN THE AIR. AS THE COMPANY’S C.E.O. ANSWERS TO U.S. LAWMAKERS OVER TWO DEADLY PLANE CRASHES, YOU ARE GOING TO COME FACE-TO-FACE WITH A DECISION IN THE COMING MONTHS — WILL YOU BOARD ONE OF THOSE PLANES? WE GO IN-DEPTH NEXT. (*) (*)>>Andrew: WHEN A LION AIR FLIGHT TOOK OFF FROM JAKARTA ON OCTOBER 29, 2018, IT WAS JUST 13 MINUTES LATER THAT IT PLUNGED INTO THE SEA, KILLING EVERY SINGLE PERSON ON BOARD.>>Ian: WE’RE WATCHING FOR WORD ON WHAT MAY HAVE CAUSED YESTERDAY’S CRASH OF A LION AIR JET.>>Andrew: FIVE MONTHS LATER A SECOND PLANE WOULD CRASH OVER ETHIOPIA. AGAIN, EVERYONE ON THAT FLIGHT DIED.>>Adrienne: WHAT BROUGHT DOWN ETHIOPIAN AIRLINES FLIGHT 302?>>Andrew: CRITICALLY, IN BOTH CASES IT WAS THE SAME TYPE OF PLANE INVOLVED — THE BOEING 737 MAX 8. IN THE MONTHS THAT FOLLOWED WE WOULD LEARN MORE ABOUT NOT JUST THOSE TWO CATASTROPHIC FAILURES, BUT ABOUT THE SERIES OF CASCADING FAILURES, ONE AFTER ANOTHER, THAT LED TO THE CRASHES. FROM A KEY MODIFICATION TO THE PLANE THAT FEW PILOTS KNEW EXISTED, LET ALONE UNDERSTOOD, TO A HEAD OFFICE THAT WAS SLOW TO ACT WHEN THEY BEGAN TO UNDERSTAND JUST WHAT FLAWED THEIR PLANE REALLY WAS.>>WE ARE SORRY.>>Andrew: THOSE DETAILS HAVE COME TO A HEAD BEFORE THE U.S. LAWMAKERS WHERE FOR DAYS THE HEAD OF BOEING, DENNIS MUILENBURG, WAS GRILLED ABOUT HIS CORPORATION’S FAILURE TO PREVENT EITHER OF THE CRASHES. AND FAMILIES TOO HAVE SAID THEIR PIECE.>>THE DECISIONS THEY MADE BEFORE AND AFTER THE FIRST CRASH COST THE DEATHS OF MY FAMILY.>>Andrew: WE WILL SURELY LEARN MORE IN THE COMING MONTHS AND BOEING SAYS IN A MATTER OF MONTHS THAT BOEING WILL FLY AGAIN. BUT THE QUESTION THEN WILL BE — NOW WHAT? EVERY FRIDAY WE’LL LOOK AT A STORY FROM THE WEEK AND BREAK IT DOWN IN A WAY THAT IS INTERESTING, INSIGHTFUL AND EMPOWERING. SO TONIGHT WE’RE GOING TO TRY TO UNDERSTAND WHAT WAS AT THE HEART OF THOSE TWO CRASHES, WHAT HAPPENS ONCE BOEING SAYS THAT IT SOLVED THE PROBLEM. AND THEN AS FLIERS, WHAT ARE WE SUPPOSED TO DO AT THE END OF THE DAY — CARRY ON LIKE NOTHING HAPPENED? WE HAVE HELP FROM ACROSS CANADA AND THE U.S. NATALIE KITROEFF OF “THE NEW YORK TIMES” HAS BEEN REPORTING ON THE BOEING DISASTER EXTENSIVELY. WE HAVE RAYMOND HALL, AVIATION LAWYER AND FORMER BOEING PILOT IN VANCOUVER TONIGHT. AND GABOR LUKACS, A PASSENGER RIGHTS ADVOCATE FROM HALIFAX. HELLO TO ALL OF YOU. LET’S START WITH BOEING’S BOTTOM LINE. THE COMPANY’S PROFITS HAVE SOARED IN RECENT YEARS. LOOK AT THIS, $ IN 2016. $8.5 BILLION IN 2017. $10.5 BILLION IN 2018. AND THEN A STEEP DROP. IN THE 12 MONTHS LEADING UP TO SEPTEMBER OF THIS YEAR, BOEING’S PROFITS ONLY ABOUT $3.8 BILLION. NATALIE, AS WE TRY TO UNDERSTAND 5 BILLION BOEING, I MEAN, THE NUMBERS CERTAINLY TELL US ABOUT THE OPPORTUNITIES IN THIS INDUSTRY. WHAT HAVE WE LEARNED ABOUT BOEING THE COMPANY?>>SO WE KNOW THAT GLOBAL AIRCRAFT MANUFACTURING IS A DUOPOLY. AND YOU HAVE BOEING AND AIRBUS. AND AT THE TIME THEY LAUNCHED THE 737 MAX, IT WAS UNDER INTENSE PRESSURE BECAUSE IT FACED AN UNTHINKABLE DEFECTION. AMERICAN AIRLINES WAS ABOUT TO PLACE A HUGE ORDER WITH AIRBUS. NOW BOEING HAD TO RUSH TO — IN ORDER TO KEEP UP WITH AIRBUS. IT WAS MONTHS BEHIND. AND SO TIME PRESSURE AND COMPETITIVE PRESSURE PLAYED AN ENORMOUS ROLE IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PLANE. WE KNOW ALSO THAT THE COMPANY –>>Andrew: I WAS GOING TO JUST SAY ON A TECHNICAL LEVEL, I MEAN, HOW DID THOSE PRESSURES AFFECT THE PLANE ITSELF? I MEAN, THERE WAS ONE SYSTEM THAT CONTROLLED THE PITCH OF THE PLANE THAT WAS PARTICULARLY VULNERABLE, RIGHT, TO A SINGLE SPECIFIC WEAKNESS?>>RIGHT. SO BOEING INTRODUCED A NEW SYSTEM ON THIS PLANE CALLED MCAS, WHICH CONTRIBUTED TO BOTH CRASHES. THE REASON THAT IT NEEDED THIS SYSTEM IS THAT IN ORDER TO MAKE THE PLANE FLY LIKE ITS PREDECESSOR. THE SYSTEM PITCHED THE NOSE OF THE PLANE DOWN. BOEING WAS TRYING TO LIMIT TRAINING FOR PILOTS ON THIS PLANE, AGAIN, IN ORDER TO SATISFY ITS AIRLINE CUSTOMERS AND SO IT NEVER INFORMED PILOTS THAT THIS SYSTEM EXISTED. AND PILOTS WERE NEVER TRAINED ON IT WHEN THEY BEGAN FLYING THE PLANE.>>Andrew: RAYMOND, IS IT FAIR TO SAY THAT THAT WEAKNESS OF THE PLANE MIGHT NOT HAVE LED TO THOSE TWO CRASHES HAD THE PILOTS KNOWN ABOUT THAT WEAKNESS TO BEGIN WITH?>>I THINK THAT THERE ARE TWO ASPECTS TO IT. FIRST OF ALL, YOU HAVE TO KNOW THAT IT’S THERE. AND YOU HAVE TO KNOW HOW IT WORKS AND WHAT CORRECTIVE ACTION TO TAKE IN THE EVENT THAT THE ACTION IS INAPPROPRIATE AT THE TIME, PARTICULARLY WHEN IT’S RELYING ON A SENSOR THAT IS FAULTY.>>Andrew: GABOR, ONE OTHER THING THEY WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT — WE ALSO LEARNED ABOUT THE WORKING RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THE F.A.A. AND BOEING, YOU KNOW, ONE IS SUPPOSED TO OVERSEE THE OTHER. DOES IT REALLY WORK THAT WAY?>>UNFORTUNATELY, WHAT WE HAVE WITNESSED HERE IS A CURRENT PROBLEM IN THE AIRLINE BUSINESS IN OTHER AREAS. SIMPLY DESCRIBED AS “REGULATORY CAPTURE.” WHERE THE BODY WHICH IS SUPPOSED TO SUPERVISE — EXERCISE OVERSIGHT OVER A PARTICULAR INDUSTRY IS STARTING TO ACT IN THE INTEREST OF THE INDUSTRY AND NOT IN THE INTEREST OF THE PUBLIC.>>Andrew: NATALIE, IN YOUR WORK, WHAT HAVE YOU LEARNED ABOUT HOW THAT ACTUALLY WORKS, THAT RELATIONSHIP?>>WELL, THE F.A.A., THE REGULATOR IN THE UNITED STATES, HANDS OVER MUCH OF THE RESPONSIBILITY FOR DETERMINING THE SAFETY OF AN AIRCRAFT TO BOEING. AND IN THIS CASE THE F.A.A. NEVER RECEIVED A SAFETY ASSESSMENT OF THIS SYSTEM MCAS. SO INVESTIGATIONS HAVE DETERMINED THAT THE REGULATOR WAS NOT FULLY AWARE OF HOW IT WORKED WHEN IT CLEARED THE PLANE TO FLY.>>Andrew: OKAY, LET’S TALK ABOUT WHEREA ALL OF THIS LEADS. RIGHT NOW WE DON’T EXACTLY KNOW WHEN THE MAX 8 WILL BE RECERTIFIED TO FLY BUT TAKE A LOOK. AIR CANADA SAYS THEY’LL KEEP THE MAX 8s OUT OF THE SCHEDULE UNTIL AT THE EARLIEST FEBRUARY 14th OF NEXT YEAR. WESTJET SAYS THAT THEY’RE PULLING THE MAX 8s UNTIL JANUARY 5, 2020. AND SUNWING SAYS THAT IT EXPECTS TO HAVE ITS MAX 8s BACK IN MID-MAY 2020. BUT MAYBE WE SHOULD START WITH EVEN A MORE BASIC QUESTION THAN THAT — WILL THE MAX 8 FLY AGAIN? RAYMOND, YES OR NO, AND WHY?>>YES, IT WILL. ONCE THE PROBLEM IS ANALYSED, DETERMINED, AND FIXED, IT WILL FLY AGAIN. AND I ANTICIPATE THEY WILL COME PRETTY CLOSE TO MEETING THAT SCHEDULE. AND THE REASON THAT I SUSPECT THAT IS BECAUSE WHEN THE MCAS SYSTEM WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED, NOT FOR THIS AIRCRAFT BUT FOR A BOEING FUEL FREIGHTER FOR MILITARY FIGHTER JETS, THAT SYSTEM INCORPORATED THE SYSTEMS THAT THIS PARTICULAR SYSTEM AVOIDED ON THREE ASPECTS — THE ABILITY TO KNOW THAT IT’S THERE AND THE ABILITY TO CONTROL THE AIRCRAFT AND THE NUMBER OF TIMES THAT THE SYSTEM INTERVENES. AND WHEN THEY CHANGE IT, WHEN THEY ARE GOING TO DO TO PUT IT BACK TO THE SYSTEM THAT WAS ORIGINALLY DESIGNED IN THE MILITARY FREIGHTER AIRCRAFT, WHICH HAS HAD NO INSTANCE WHATSOEVER, I SUSPECT THAT THE CERTIFICATION WILL COME TOGETHER AFTER A SUFFICIENT AMOUNT OF TESTING AND THOROUGH INVESTIGATION BY NOT ONLY THE F.A.A. BUT THE FOREIGN REGULATORS AS WELL.>>Andrew: RIGHT. AND, YOU KNOW, BOEING’S C.E.O. SAID IN A WRITTEN STATEMENT THAT WHEN THE 737 MAX RETURNS TO SERVICE IT WILL BE ONE OF THE SAFEST AIRPLANES EVER TO FLY. DO YOU THINK THAT IS TRUE?>>IT COULD VERY WELL BE. AND, IN FACT, I DID NOT FLY IT, OF COURSE, BECAUSE IT ARRIVED AFTER I RETIRED FROM AIR CANADA. BUT I FLEW AS A PASSENGER ON IT SEVERAL TIMES AND I LOVE THE AIRPLANE ITSELF. SAY FOR THIS PROBLEM THAT IS REALLY A SYSTEMIC PROBLEM IN THE CERTIFICATION, DESIGN AND CERTIFICATION. SAVE FOR THAT PROBLEM, IT’S A FANTASTIC AIRPLANE.>>Andrew: IF THE MAX 8 IS APPROVED TO FLY AGAIN IN THE UNITED STATES, DOES THAT MEAN THAT IT WILL FLY AGAIN IN CANADA?>>OBVIOUSLY, TRANSPORT CANADA IS GOING TO HAVE A MAJOR ROLE HERE. AND PARTICULARLY SINCE RECENTLY THE F.A.A. HAS BEEN LEGALLY PROCLUDED FROM DOING THE CERTIFICATION. IT’S ALL SINCE THE LAST YEAR BEEN DELEGATED TO THE MANUFACTURERS. SO I EXPECT THAT TRANSPORT CANADA WILL HAVE TO HAVE A VERY ACTIVE ROLE IN DETERMINING THAT THE RECERTIFICATION IN THE UNITED STATES IS CORRECT AND THAT WE ARE SATISFIED THAT IT IS SAFE TO FLY HERE.>>Andrew: AND HOW SOON WOULD ALL OF THAT HAPPEN?>>I WOULD EXPECT THAT IT WOULD HAPPEN AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF NEXT YEAR. IN FACT, I UNDERSTAND THAT AIR CANADA IS PLANNING TO START PILOT TRAINING TO REFRESH EVERYBODY AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR. WELL BEFORE THE FEBRUARY 14th INTRODUCTION IN THE SCHEDULE AS IT PROCEEDS AT THAT POINT.>>Andrew: OKAY. NOW HAVING MAX 8s IN THE FLIGHT ROTATION IS ONE THING, BUT WHETHER PEOPLE WANT TO FLY IN THEM, THAT’S A WHOLE OTHER QUESTION. YOU’RE GOING TO HEAR FROM PAUL NJORGE RIGHT NOW. HE LOST FIVE MEMBERS OF HIS FAMILY IN THE SECOND CRASH, INCLUDING HIS WIFE AND THREE KIDS. BUT I WANT YOU TO LISTEN TO A PHONE CONVERSATION THAT HE HAD WITH LAURA LYNCH ON THE QUESTION OF WHETHER HE’D FEEL SAFE FLYING A BOEING 737 MAX 8 AGAIN IN FUTURE.>>THE INTERNATIONAL REGULATOR SHOULD DO THEIR OWN REVIEWS AND, CERTAINLY, SAY THAT IT COULD BE APPROVED TO FLY AGAIN, AND THEN I THINK THAT WE CAN TRUST THAT. BUT WE WOULD WANT THE PUBLIC DISCLOSURE FOR WHAT BOEING HAS DONE IN ORDER TO IMPROVE THE SAFETY.>>Andrew: SO THAT IS STRIKING COMING FROM SOMEONE WHO HAS LOST FAMILY MEMBERS IN ONE OF THOSE CRASHES. SO THE QUESTION TO FLY OR NOT TO FLY. THE THREE OF YOU, COULD I JUST — YOU KNOW, DO A QUICK ROUND HERE. NATALIE, ONCE THE F.A.A. CERTIFIES THIS PLANE TO FLY AGAIN AND, YOU KNOW, IN THE CANADIAN CASE AND TRANSPORT CANADA MAKES THAT DECISION, WOULD YOU FLY ON ONE OF THESE PLANES?>>I MEAN, I, FRANKLY, THINK THAT THE VAST MAJORITY OF PASSENGERS IN THIS CASE ARE GOING TO BE THE ONES TO DECIDE THIS QUESTION. I WILL SAY THAT MR. MUILENBURG SAID THIS WEEK THAT IT WILL BE THE MOST HEAVILY SCRUTINIZED PLANE IN HISTORY. AND I DON’T KNOW THAT’S AN EXAGGERATION. I DO THINK THAT THIS IS THE MOST THOROUGH PROCESS, THIS RECERTIFICATION PROCESS, THAT WE HAVE SEEN IN A LONG TIME.>>Andrew: AND RAYMOND AND GABOR, YOUR TAKES. RAYMOND, QUICKLY.>>I SECOND THAT OPINION. IN FACT, THERE’S NO QUESTION THAT THE SCRUTINY ON THIS AIRCRAFT IS FAR GREATER THAN ANY OF THE OTHER AIRCRAFT THAT HAVE EVER BEEN CERTIFIED.>>Andrew: GABOR, HOW MUCH POWER DO PEOPLE HAVE TO DECIDE WHETHER THEY GET ON A BOEING 737 MAX 8 IF THEY BUY A TICKET FOR ONE?>>UNFORTUNATELY, PEOPLE ARE QUITE POWERLESS IN THIS REGARD. BECAUSE ONCE THE AIRCRAFT IS CERTIFIED, IT’S THE AIRLINE’S DECISION WHICH AIRCRAFT THEY USE. THE PROBLEM IS HOW IT IS GOING TO BE RECERTIFIED. AND I’M QUITE CONCERNED THAT CANADA MAY BE TOO QUICK TO FOLLOW THE F.A.A. IN THAT. I WOULD WANT TO HEAR FROM THE EUROPEAN AUTHORITIES AND FROM AUSTRALIA AT THE VERY LEAST TO SEE WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THE RECERTIFICATION BEFORE I WOULD FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH CANADA RECERTIFYING THE AIRCRAFT.>>Andrew: AND, GABOR, ONCE YOU HAVE BOOKED A FLIGHT ON ONE OF THESE PLANES CAN YOU SAY, NO, I DON’T ACTUALLY WANT TO FLY ON THE MAX 8, BOOK ME ON A DIFFERENT FLIGHT?>>UNFORTUNATELY, THE PASSENGERS DON’T HAVE THE POWER TO TELL THE AIRLINE WHICH AIRPLANE THEY WANT TO FLY ON. AND WHEN YOU BUY THE TICKET, IT LOOKS LIKE YOU’RE FLYING ON AN AIRBUS, THEY CAN SWITCH IT LATER TO BOEING AND THE 737 MAX 8.>>Andrew: NATALIE, I WANT TO GIVE YOU MAYBE THE FINAL WORD AND HOW YOU THINK THAT PEOPLE WILL SEE THIS ENTIRE SAGA THAT HAS UNFOLDED AND HOW IT MIGHT AFFECT THE FUTURE.>>MY SENSE IS THAT THE LASTING LEGACY OF THESE CRASHES — I THINK THAT IT’S SOMETHING THAT THE FAMILY MEMBERS OF THE VICTIMS WANT — IS GOING TO BE A MORE URGENT MOVE TOWARDS STRUCTURAL CHANGE IN HOW WE APPROVE AIRCRAFT IN THIS COUNTRY AND PERHAPS ACROSS THE WORLD. THE EUROPEANS DELEGATE TO INDUSTRY AS WELL. I THINK THAT IS BEING LOOKED AT VERY CAREFULLY IN THIS COUNTRY. AND WE ARE ON THE BRINK I THINK OF POTENTIALLY MAJOR CHANGES ABOUT HOW WE DETERMINE THE SAFETY OF AIRCRAFT. I THINK THAT WILL BE THE LASTING LEGACY HERE.>>Andrew: NATALIE AND RAYMOND, AND GABOR, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.>>THANK YOU.>>THANK YOU,.>>THANK YOU.>>Andrew: OKAY, DO STICK AROUND. UP NEXT ON “THE NATIONAL”…>>>LIFE WITHOUT PLASTIC BAGS. MONTHS AFTER A BAN WENT INTO EFFECT, WE VISIT THE FIRST PROVINCE TO GO WITHOUT TO SEE HOW FOLKS ARE DEALING WITH IT. WE’RE BACK IN TWO. (*)>>Andrew: THIS WEEK NOVA SCOTIA VOTED IN FAVOUR OF BANNING SINGLE-USE PLASTIC BAGS PROVINCE-WIDE. THAT LAW KICKS IN NEXT YEAR. BUT IT’S NOT THE FIRST CANADIAN PROVINCE TO TURN ITS BACK ON BAGS. P.E.I. BANNED THEM MONTHS AGO. SO WE WANTED TO KNOW HOW IT’S WORKING OUT. KAYLA HOUNSELL TAKES A LOOK.>>YOU BROUGHT YOUR BAGS TODAY? AWESOME. THANK YOU.>>Reporter: BRINGING REUSABLE BAGS TO THE GROCERY STORE IS BECOMING MORE COMMON ACROSS THE COUNTRY. BUT ON PRINCE EDWARD ISLAND, IT’S STANDARD PRACTISE. THE PROVINCE BANNED PLASTIC SHOPPING BAGS FOUR MONTHS AGO AFTER ASIAN COUNTRIES WHERE CANADA WAS SHIPPING PLASTIC STOPPED ACCEPTING THEM.>>WE WERE SHIPPING 30 MILLION CARRYOUT BAGS OUT OF PROVINCE ON AN ANNUAL BASIS. TO PUT THAT INTO PERSPECTIVE, THAT’S ABOUT A TRACTOR-TRAILER LOAD A MONTH.>>Reporter: WHILE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES LIKE THIS ONE IN NEW BRUNSWICK STILL DON’T KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH ALL OF THEIR PLASTIC, MOORE SAYS THAT THE NUMBER OF BAGS ON P.E.I. HAS BEEN RADICALLY REDUCED AND SOON THERE WON’T BE ANY PLASTIC SHOPPING BAGS ON THE ISLAND AT ALL.>>IT’S GOOD TO SAVE OUR PLANET. AND, I MEAN, WE ARE THE ONES WHO ARE LIVING IN IT. SO WE’RE INDIRECTLY SAVING OURSELVES.>>Reporter: THE LAW MAKES IT MANDATORY FOR BUSINESSES TO CHARGE FOR ANY KIND OF BAG. A DOLLAR FOR A REUSABLE BAG AND .15 CENTS FOR A PAPER BAG. THE IDEA IS TO CURB THE DRAMATIC INCREASE OF OTHER KINDS OF WASTE. BUT IT’S ALSO A SOURCE OF REVENUE AND FOR SOME AN OPPORTUNITY.>>WE’RE SORT OF GOING BACK TO OUR ROOTS, IF YOU WILL.>>Reporter: THIS FOOD PACKAGING COMPANY STARTED IN 1935 BY PROVIDING BURLAP BAGS FOR ISLAND POTATOES AND NOW IT’S OFFERING BURLAP BAGS OF A DIFFERENT KIND.>>THERE’S A NUMBER OF PRODUCTS THAT WE BROUGHT ON BECAUSE OF THIS BAN AND IT ALLOWS US TO SERVE DIFFERENT CUSTOMERS. SO CERTAINLY IT WILL INCREASE OUR SALES SLIGHTLY.>>Reporter: THE REMAINING PLASTIC BAGS ON P.E.I. COME HERE TO THIS RECYCLING AND MANUFACTURING PLANT IN NOVA SCOTIA, WHERE THEY GET TURNED INTO PLASTIC LUMBER AND USED TO BUILD THINGS LIKE PICNIC TABLES. THE OWNERS DISAGREE WITH THE BAG BAN.>>WITH ALL OF THESE PLASTIC BAG BANS COMING INTO EFFECT SO QUICKLY, THE INDUSTRY HASN’T REALLY HAD A CHANCE TO DEVELOP A NEW MARKET FOR THIS MATERIAL.>>YOU DON’T NEED A BAG?>>Reporter: BACK ON THE ISLAND THE STORE MANAGERS SAY THEY’RE NOT GETTING ANY COMPLAINTS.>>WHAT IS WEIRD FOR US IS WHEN WE GO TO NEW BRUNSWICK OR SOMEWHERE ELSE AND THEY GIVE YOU A PLASTIC BAG. TO US THAT’S LIKE OUT OF THIS WORLD, LIKE WHY ARE WE DOING THAT STILL?>>Reporter: BUT THERE ARE MORE CHANGES TO COME. SOBEYS IS PLANNING TO BAN PLASTIC BAGS NATIONWIDE BY THE END OF JANUARY. KAYLA HOUNSELL, CBC NEWS, CHARLOTTETOWN.>>Andrew: MORE NEWS AHEAD ON “THE NATIONAL.” IAN WILL BE BACK IN TWO MINUTES’ TIME WITH A BIG NAME DROPPING OUT OF THE RACE FOR THE WHITE HOUSE. BUT FIRST… (*)>>”IN CASE YOU MISSED IT,” THIS IS HOW BAD THE AIR QUALITY IS IN NEW DELHI RIGHT NOW. THE SMOG IS SO THICK THAT A HEALTH EMERGENCY HAS NOW BEEN DECLARED. SCHOOL IS CANCELLED UNTIL TUESDAY. AND THIS STUNNING STEP — THE GOVERNMENT IS HANDING OUT MASKS TO KIDS TO HELP THEM TO BREATHE EASIER. COMMUTERS ARE WEARING THEM TOO.>>[speaking foreign language]>>Andrew: THIS MAN SAYS THAT HIS EYES BURN AND SO DOES HIS THROAT. THAT THE SMOG HURTS. INDIA’S CAPITAL IS ONE OF THE MOST POLLUTED CITIES IN THE WORLD AND IT IS GENERALLY WORSE THIS TIME OF YEAR. BUT AIR POLLUTION NOW IS 20 TIMES WHAT THE WORLD HEALTH ORGINISATION CONSIDERS SAFE. TO TRY TO FIX IT, CONSTRUCTION IS TEMPORARILY BANNED. CARS CAN ONLY BE DRIVEN EVERY OTHER DAY AND THERE ARE PLANS TO PLANT >>Ian: WELCOME BACK TO OUR NATIONAL NEWSROOM IN VANCOUVER. DURING A RUN FOR THE U.S. SENATE LAST YEAR HE WAS A DARLING OF DEMOCRATS BUT TONIGHT BETO O’ROURKE HAS STUNNED SUPPORTERS BY ANNOUNCING THE END OF HIS PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN.>>WE HAVE TO CLEARLY SEE AT THIS POINT WE DO NOT HAVE THE MEANS TO PURSUE THIS CAMPAIGN SUCCESSFULLY.>>Ian: THE 47-YEAR-OLD WAS STRUGGLING TO QUALIFY FOR THE NEXT DEMOCRATIC DEBATE AFTER MONTHS OF LACKLUSTRE FUNDRAISING EFFORTS AND DWINDLING ENTHUSIASM IN A JAM-PACKED FIELD. 17 OTHER DEMOCRATS ARE STILL IN THE RACE.>>>POLICE IN THE U.K. SAY THAT A SECOND MAN WAS CHARGED WITH THE DEATHS OF 39 MIGRANTS. THEIR BODIES WERE FOUND IN THE BACK OF A TRUCK NEAR LONDON OVER A WEEK AGO. TONIGHT POLICE ARE CONFIRMING THAT ALL OF THE VICTIMS WERE FROM VIETNAM. INVESTIGATORS THERE HAVE ARRESTED TWO MEN. THE ALLEGED TRUCK DRIVER HAD ALREADY BEEN CHARGED OVER THE DEATHS. BRITISH POLICE HAVE BEGUN PROCEEDINGS TO EXTRADITE THE 22-YEAR-OLD MAN WHO IS FROM IRELAND.>>>IN IRAQ, TENS OF THOUSANDS POURED INTO THE STREETS OF BAGHDAD TO DEMAND THE END OF THE GOVERNMENT. IT’S REPORTEDLY THE BIGGEST DAY OF MASS DEMONSTRATIONS SINCE THE FALL OF SADDAM HUSSEIN. AS PROTESTS ENTER A SECOND MONTH, THE MAIN COMPLAINTS CONCERN WIDESPREAD CORRUPTION AND EMPTY PROMISES FOR CHANGE. AT LEAST 155 PEOPLE WERE WOUNDED TODAY AS SECURITY FORCES USED TEAR GAS AND RUBBER BULLETS. 250 PEOPLE HAVE BEEN KILLED OVER THE PAST MONTH.>>>AND NEW SECURITY CONCERNS SURROUNDING ONE OF THE MOST POPULAR APPS IN THE WORLD. TIK TOK IS USED TO MAKE AND SHARE SHORT VIDEOS. IT’S POPULAR WITH TEENS. BUT THERE’S A PROBE INTO THE APP. SAYING THAT IT WANTS TO DETERMINE WHETHER TIK TOK’S CHINESE OWNER ARE CENSORING THEIR CONTENT AND HOW THEY STORE PERSONAL DATA.>>>TIME FOR A QUICK BREAK, UP NEXT HOLLYWOOD TAKES ON A CHAPTER IN U.S. HISTORY. (*)>>>HARRIET TUBMAN AND HER ESCAPE FROM ENSLAVEMENT AND HER LEGACY HERE IN CANADA AS WELL. WE’RE BACK IN TWO MINUTES. (*)>>Andrew: HARRIET TUBMAN WAS A 19th SYNC ABOLITIONIST AND A SELF-LIBERATED CONDUCTOR ON THE UNDERGROUND RAILROAD. NOW THIS ICON OF AMERICAN HISTORY IS GETTING THE HOLLYWOOD TREATMENT. AS TASHAUNA REID TELLS US, A CANADIAN CITY PLAYS A SMALL ROLE.>>YOU’VE GOT TO BE MILES AWAY FROM HERE. MOVE ON.>>Reporter: HER LIFE IS ONE HISTORIANS MARVEL AT.>>EASY, MAN.>>Reporter: HARRIET TUBMAN ESCAPES SLAVERY, ONLY TO GO BACK TO LEAD OTHERS TO FREEDOM.>>GOD DON’T MEAN PEOPLE TO OWN PEOPLE.>>Reporter: SHE’S ONE OF THE MOST FAMOUS ABOLITIONISTS FROM THE UNDERGROUND RAILROAD AND NOW HER REAL LIFE SUPERHERO STORY IS A MOVIE CALLED “HARRIET.”>>I WANTED TO TELL HER STORY AND I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT SHE WAS HONOURED IN THE RIGHT WAY.>>WHEN I OPEN THAT DOOR DON’T STOP.>>Reporter: TUBMAN’S JOURNEY FOLLOWING THE NORTH STAR ULTIMATELY LEAD HER TO ST. CATHARINES, ONTARIO.>>YOU ARE WELCOME HERE ANYTIME.>>Reporter: THE LAST STOP ON THE UNDERGROUND RAILROAD. WHILE THE CITY IS BRIEFLY FEATURED IN THE FILM AND UNFORTUNATELY MISSPELLED, TUBMAN CALLED IT HOME FOR NEARLY 10 YEARS. HER LEGACY STILL VERY MUCH ALIVE THERE.>>JUST TO THINK THAT THE MIGHTY WOMAN KNOWN AS MOSES, THE REAL LIBERATOR, THE FREEDOM FIGHTER, ACTUALLY SETTLED IN ST. CATHARINES AND WORSHIPPED AT THIS CHURCH.>>Reporter: TUBMAN SPENT MANY SUNDAYS HERE AT THE EPISCOPAL CHURCH, BUILT 164 YEARS AGO BY AFRICAN AMERICAN FREEDOM SEEKERS. YOU HEARD ABOUT HEROIC FIGURES. ROCHELLE BUSH IS A HISTORIAN AND A CHURCH TRUSTEE. ONE OF HER GREAT-GRANDFATHERS WAS A MINISTER HERE IN THE 1950s WHEN TUBMAN ATTENDED.>>IF TUBMAN WAS NOT HERE WORSHIPING THE LORD SHE WAS HERE DURING THE CONVERSATIONS THAT OCCURRED WITH REGARD TO THE SLAVERY QUESTION.>>LIBERTY OR DEATH.>>Reporter: WHILE THE MOVIE CONDENSED TIMELINES AND ADDED FICTIONAL CHARACTERS, BUSH SAYS THAT IT’S ABOUT TIME THAT HARRIET WAS CELEBRATED. JUST A FEW MINUTES DOWN THE ROAD IS HARRIET TUBMAN PUBLIC SCHOOL.>>WHEN WE COME IN AND WE SEE HEAR STATUE, TO BE ABLE TO POINT TOWARDS SOMEONE OF INTEGRITY AND SOMEONE OF STRENGTH AND BRAVERY, THAT THEY GET TO ASPIRE TOWARDS, THAT’S REALLY SPECIAL.>>SHE WAS SO BRAVE.>>Reporter: THE STUDENTS HERE FEEL TUBMAN’S PRESENCE EVERY DAY.>>WHEN I SEE THAT STATUE, I FEEL GREAT. IT TEACHES ME TO BE KIND.>>SHE BASICALLY SAVED MANY LIVES AS SHE COULD AND SHE DIDN’T HAVE TO DO THAT.>>THERE’S NOTHING MORE THAT YOU CAN DO.>>DON’T YOU TELL ME WHAT I CAN’T DO.>>Reporter: AND NOW AUDIENCES WILL GET A CHANCE TO SEE THE POWER OF HARRIET IN A WHOLE NEW LIGHT. TASHAUNA REID, CBC NEWS ST. CATHARINES, ONTARIO.>>Andrew: COMING UP ON “THE NATIONAL,” OUR “MOMENT” AND IT’S ABOUT HALLOWEEN COSTUMES THAT MAY BE IN THE RUNNING FOR THE MOST CANADIAN COSTUMES EVER. THAT’S NEXT. (*)>>Andrew: WELL, HALLOWEEN ISN’T JUST ABOUT THE CANDY. IT’S ALSO ABOUT THE COSTUMES, OF COURSE. AND ONE FREDERICTON FAMILY WENT ALL OUT, EVEN MAKING THEIR VERY OWN — WELL, YOU SEE IT RIGHT THERE — THE ZAMBONI. THEIR THEME WAS “HALLOWEEN NIGHT IN CANADA” AND THEY APPEARED TO TAKE IT VERY SERIOUSLY. THE STORY BEHIND IT IS OUR “MOMENT.”>>SOMEBODY POSTED THAT THERE WAS A MOUNTIE COSTUME FOR SALE AT A STORE NEARBY AND THAT’S ALL I NEEDED. WHEN WE GOT TALKING ABOUT WHAT IS REALLY — WHAT REPRESENTS CANADA, BECAUSE WE WERE GOING TO ANNE OF GREEN GABLES AND HAVE DON CHERRY, OF COURSE. BUT WE NEED TO HAVE OUR DOUBLE-DOUBLE SO WE’LL HAVE TIM HORTONS ON THERE. AND “HOCKEY NIGHT CANADA” AND WE HAD THE CBC NEWS LOGO ON IT. AND WE HAD THE HUSBANDSON BAY. THE KIDS HAVE A JOHN DEERE POWERWHEEL THAT WE USE EVERY YEAR AND WE BUILD ON IT. IT USUALLY INVOLVES A LOT OF CARDBOARD. ANYTHING THAT WE CAN FIND IN THE GARAGE. AT THIS POINT WE HAVE A LOT OF PEOPLE WHO ARE WAITING IMPATIENTLY FOR HALLOWEEN NIGHT TO SEE THE REVEAL. IT’S SO MUCH FUN. THEY LAUGH AND EVERYBODY IS CLAPPING THEIR HANDS AND IT MAKES EVERYBODY HAPPY. SO IT MAKES IT ALL WORTH IT FOR US. [laughter]>>Andrew: IT ACTUALLY DRIVES! AND IT HOLDS PEOPLE! I CAN’T BELIEVE THAT. THAT’S NUTS. IAN, I SAW ON YOUR TWITTER THAT YOU HAD A CRAZY HALLOWEEN TOO?>>Ian: SO THERE’S A FEW NEIGHBOURS IN VANCOUVER THAT JUST HAVE A LOT OF KIDS. WE RAN OUT OF CANDY IN OUR HOUSE AT JUST OVER A THOUSAND. I THINK THAT IT WAS 1,007. AND SOME PEOPLE WERE SKEPTICAL. ONE OF THE NEIGHBOURS POSTED PICTURES AND IT WAS PICKED UP BY THE NEWSPAPERS AND THEY HAD 1,400 KIDS.>>Andrew: HOW MUCH CANDY TO SERVE A THOUSAND KIDS?>>Ian: WELL, WE CLEARLY DIDN’T HAVE ENOUGH, WE RAN OUT. SO, YEAH, A CRAZY AMOUNT. AND YOU WERE OUT WITH YOUR DAUGHTERS. AND YOU MOVED TO TORONTO TO VANCOUVER IN THE RAIN?>>Andrew: DON’T REMIND ME. IT WAS BRUTALLY COLD AND WET AND BRUTALLY WINDY LAST NIGHT. I THOUGHT THAT I HAD LEFT THAT BEHIND, BUT, HEY, ALL IN GOOD FUN.>>>THAT’S “THE NATIONAL” FOR THIS NOVEMBER 1st. GOODNIGHT.>>Ian: GOODNIGHT.

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