The National for August 9, 2019 — Canadian Released from Syria, Toronto Gun Violence

The National for August 9, 2019 — Canadian Released from Syria, Toronto Gun Violence


[♪♪♪]>>Ian: TONIGHT, ESCAPING SYRIA.>>I DIDN’T KNOW IF ANYONE NEW I WAS ALIVE. >>Ian: A B.C. MAN DETAINED FOR EIGHT MONTHS IS NOW FREE. WHY SOME STILL RISK TRAVELING IN A WAR ZONE. >>IT REALLY DOES NOT FEEL LIKE A BIG CITY. WE ARE TERRIFIED TO LET OUR CHILDREN KNOW. >>Ian: ANOTHER DEADLY DAY IN TORONTO. NEARLY TWO DOZEN SHOOTINGS IN ONE WEEK. ARE TOO MANY REPEAT OFFENDERS ON THE STREETS?>>>TWO FIVE-YEAR-OLDS AT SEA FOR AN HOUR. THAT’S OUR “MOMENT.”>>>CHRISTIAN BAXTER WAS A WORLD TRAVELER, BUT A FRIEND DESCRIBED HIM AS FOOLISH WHEN HE ACROSSED — CROSSED INTO WAR-TORN SYRIA LAST YEAR. HE WAS DETAINED AS SOON AS HE GOT THERE, AND THE CANADIAN GOVERNMENT COULD DO LITTLE TO HELP. >>THANKS FOR HELPING ME GET OUT. >>Reporter: CHRISTIAN BAXTER WAS CLEARLY STUNNED AS HE MADE A VERY BRIEF STATEMENT IN BEIRUT, FLANKED BY LEBANON SECURITY CHIEF WHO ARRANGED HIS RELEASE. BAXTER REVEALED LITTLE DETAILS OF HIS ORDEAL. CHRYSTIA FREELAND HAD LITTLE TO SAY ABOUT IT, AS WELL. A LONG TIME FRIEND SAID HE AND OTHERS TRIED TO DISSUADE THE 44-YEAR-OLD FROM MAKING THE TRIP LAST NOVEMBER, BUT BAXTER WAS DETAINED FOLLOWED BY MONTHS OF SILENCE FROM THE SYRIAN REGIME. HIS MOTHER, ANDREA, ISSUEDZED ‘ — ISSUED A VIDEO FOR HIS RELEASE. >>ONCE YOU ENTER SYRIA FROM ANY BORDER, YOU ENTER INTO A PRISON, A BIG PRISON. WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT, WHETHER REASON OR NOT, YOU ENTER THE PRISON. >>Reporter: DESPITE ITS LONG CIVIL WAR, SYRIA’S GOVERNMENT HAS RELEASED VIDEOS PROMOTING ITSELF AS A SAFE DESTINATION FOR TOURISTS. >>ANYONE WHO’S THINKING TO TRAVEL A COUNTRY THAT’S IN THE MIDST OF A CIVIL WAR NEEDS TO HAVE THEIR HEAD EXAMINED. >>Reporter: THE REGIME IS BRUTAL AND UNFORGIVING SAYS THIS LAW PROFESSOR. ONE OF THE MOST DANGEROUS PLACES ON THE PLANET, NO PLACE FOR SIGHT SEEING, FOR ONE CANADIAN NOW SAFE. CHRIS RASMUSSEN, CBC NEWS.>>Ian: IN CHINA, APPROXIMATELY 200 CANADIANS CONTINUE TO BE DETAINED AND FACE LEGAL PROCEEDINGS. IN THE UNITED STATES, NEARLY 900 CANADIANS ARE BEING HELD UNDER SIMILAR CIRCUMSTANCES.>>>NOW TO THE WAVES OF GUN VIOLENCE SPREADING FEAR ON BOTH SIDES OF THE BORDER. THIS AFTERNOON, SHOTS RANGE OUT IN TORONTO’S EAST END THAT CAUSED SUDDEN PANIC. TWO MEN WERE INJURED, AND ONE DIED AT THE SCENE. LAST NIGHT, A MAN WAS SHOT AT A BASKETBALL COURT. ON WEDNESDAY, ANOTHER DAYLIGHT ATTACK WITH DOZENS INJURED. AND ON MONDAY, 17 PEOPLE WERE HURT IN 14 SEPARATE SHOOTINGS. IN ALL, TORONTO HAS SEEN NEARLY TWO DOZEN SHOOTINGS IN A WEEK, THE CITY ON PACE TO SET A NEW RECORD. THE CITY SAYS THERE’S A MUCH LARGER ISSUE: VIOLENT OFFENDERS OUT ON BAIL.>>Reporter: WHAT DOES THAT DO TO YOU WHEN YOU HEAR OF ANOTHER SHOOTING, YET ALONE ONE IN YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD SINCE LAST NIGHT?>>RIGHT. IT INFURIATES ME. I CAN NEVER HAVE A MOMENT OF PEACE. >>Reporter: EVELYN LOST HER SON TO GUN VIOLENCE IN 2016. SHE SAYS FAMILIES LIKE HERS ARE RETRAUMATIZED WITH EVERY SHOOTING. >>LIKE, I WATCHED MY SON DIE FROM A BULLET WOUND, AND I’LL NEVER FORGET THAT. >>THESE SHOOTINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED OVER THE PAST TEN DAYS BY AND LARGE HAVE STREET GANG CONNOTATIONS TO THEM OR ARE STREET GANG RELATED. >>Reporter: TORONTO POLICE SAY IT’S BAD GUYS SHOOTING BAD GUYS. GUNS HAVE BEEN SEIZED, BUT NOT ENOUGH TO MAKE A DENT. >>IF THE THOUGHT IS WE’RE GOING TO ARREST OUR WAY OUT OF THIS, THE TRUTH IS WE’RE NOT. >>Reporter: RIGHT NOW, THERE ARE 326 PEOPLE OUT ON BAIL WITH GUN CHARGES AGAINST THEM. >>THAT IS UNBELIEVABLE. OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM IS FAILING US.>>Reporter: TORONTO’S GUN AND GANG ISSUE IS NOT ONLY COMPLEX, IT’S PLAYING OUT ON A LARGER SCALE THAN ANY OTHER CITY IN CANADA, AND YET AS CHIEF SAUNDERS ARGUES, BAIL SIZE IS FEDERAL AND ONE-SIZE-FITS-ALL. >>YOU CAN BE SITTING IN COURT IN TORONTO, BUT YOUR BENCHMARK IS WHAT’S GOING ON IN CANADA. >>Reporter: THE FEDERAL MINISTER RESPONSIBLE, BILL BLAIR, SAID TODAY “WITH REGARDS TO BAIL, THERE IS AN ONUS FOR A NUMBER OF SERIOUS FIREARM OFFENSES. THAT MEANS THE ACCUSED MUST STAY IN JAIL UNLESS THEY CAN DEMONSTRATE TO A JUDGE THAT THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED BACK IN THE COMMUNITY WHILE AWAITING TRIAL.”>>OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM IS FAILING US. THEY CATER MORE TO THE PERPETRATORS AND DO NOT CARE ABOUT THE VICTIMS. THAT’S HORRIBLE. >>Reporter: SHE WANTS CHANGE, AND FAST, SO NO OTHER MOTHER HAS TO LOSE A SON LIKE SHE DID. ALLIE CHIASSON, CBC NEWS, TORONTO.>>Ian: A NEW DEVELOPMENT IN THE EL PASO SHOOTING. HIS ACTIONS LINES UP WITH A RACIST MANIFESTO THAT IT’S BELIEVED THAT THE SHOOTER POSTED ON-LINE. THAT AND A SHOOTING IN DAYTON, OHIO CALLS FOR INCREASED GUN LAWS NOW. >>President Donald Trump: WE HAVE TREMENDOUS SUPPORT FOR COMMON SENSE IMPORTANT BACKGROUND CHECKS. >>Reporter: THAT MAY SOUND LIKE COMMON SENSE, TO CHECK THAT SOMEONE BUYING A GUN DOESN’T HAVE MENTAL ILLNESS OR A CRIMINAL RECORD. >>President Donald Trump: WE DON’T WANT PEOPLE THAT ARE MENTALLY ILL, PEOPLE THAT ARE SICK, TO HAVE A GUN. >>Reporter: WELL, NOT THAT LONG AGO, DONALD TRUMP WAS ARGUING THE EXACT OPPOSITE POSITION. EARLY IN HIS PRESIDENCY, HE APPEALED A BILL THAT MADE IT HARDER FOR PEOPLE WITH MENTAL ILLNESS TO GET GUNS. THAT MOVE WAS HERALDED BY THE NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION. NOW THE N.R.A. SAYS IT OPPOSES ANY LEGISLATION THAT UNFAIRLY INFRINGES UPON THE RIGHTS OF LAW ABIDING CITIZENS. INSTEAD IT WOULD WORK IN REAL FAITH TOWARDS WHAT IT CALLS REAL — GOOD FAITH TOWARDS WHAT IT CALLS REAL SOLUTIONS. >>President Donald Trump: I THINK IN THE END THE N.R.A. WILL EITHER BE THERE OR MAYBE WILL BE A LITTLE BIT MORE NEUTRAL, AND THAT WOULD BE OKAY, TOO. >>Reporter: BUT TO CHANGE THE LAW, TRUMP NEEDS CONGRESS. SPECIFICALLY, HE NEEDS SENATE MAJORITY LEADER MITCH McCONNELL. DEMONSTRATORS LINED THE STREETS OUTSIDE McCONNELL’S HOUSE THIS WEEKEND DEMANDING HE ACT. SPEAKING TO A LOCAL RADIO STATION, McCONNELL SAID RED FLAG LAWS AND BACKGROUND CHECKS WILL BE FRONT AND CENTRE. >>THE URGENCY OF THIS IS NOT LOST ON ANY OF US BECAUSE WE’VE SEEN TOO MANY OF THESE ATTACKS BY MENTALLY DERANGED PEOPLE. >>Reporter: TO BE CLEAR, THE EL PASO SHOOTER DID NOT HAVE ANY MENTAL ILLNESS, AND IT’S UNCLEAR IF ANY ADDITIONAL GUN LAWS WOULD HAVE PREVENTED EITHER INDIVIDUAL FROM GETTING A GUN.>>Reporter: PETER ARMSTRONG, CBC NEWS, WASHINGTON.>>Ian: A MISSOURI MAN WAS CHARGED TODAY WITH MAKING A TERRORIST THREAT AFTER HE WALKED AROUND A WALMART CARRYING A LOADED RIFLE, WEARING BODY ARMOR, AND FILMING HIMSELF. >>HE WAS COMPLIANT WITH US, BUT HIS INTENT WAS NOT TO CAUSE PEACE OR COMFORT TO ANYBODY THAT WAS IN THE BUSINESS HERE. IN FACT HE’S LUCKY HE’S ALIVE. >>Ian: NO SHOTS WERE FIRED, BUT SHOPPERS RAN IN PANIC. HE WAS ARRESTED AFTER AN OFF-DUTY FIREFIGHTER PULLED OUT HIS WEAPON AND HELD THE SUSPECT AT GUNPOINT.>>>TONIGHT, THE WHITE HOUSE HOSTED A MEETING WITH TECH AND SOCIAL MEDIA COMPANIES, ALL AIMED AT COMBATTING ON-LINE VIOLENT EXTREMISM, BUT HOW CAN YOU DO THAT? WE’LL BRING TOGETHER SOME EXPERTS OF OUR OWN IN ABOUT 20 MINUTES.>>>THE PRESIDENT WASN’T AT THAT ANNOUNCEMENT OF THAT MEETING. INSTEAD, HE WAS AT A HIGH-END FUNDRAISER. KIM BRUNHUBER REPORTS WHY ANGER AT TRUMP’S SILENCE SPREAD SO QUICKLY. [CHANTING]>>Reporter: EVEN A WORK OUT CAN GET PEOPLE WORKED UP. AT UP TO $42 A CLASS, SOULCYCLE CITES SPIRITUAL WELLNESS, SO IT WAS A SURPRISE THAT THE OWNER HELD A FUNDRAISER IN THE HAMPTONS FOR DONALD TRUMP. >>I’M NOT HAPPY THAT MY MONEY THAT I GIVE FOR EQUINOX GOES TO SUPPORT DONALD TRUMP.>>Reporter: AS SOON AS THE NEWS BROKE, HIGH-LEVEL CELEBRITIES LIKE CHRISSY TIEGEN AND OTHERS SAID TO CANCEL THEIR MEMBERSHIPS. DOLPHINS WIDECEIVER KENNY STILLS — WIDE RECEIVER SAYS IT BAFFLES HIM. >>TO BE HOLDING A FUNDRAISER FOR A MAN WE KNOW ISN’T STANDING UP FOR US OR CHAMPIONING THE CAUSE. >>Reporter: TRUMP DISMISSED THE ACTIONS OF HIS FRIEND. >>>>President Donald Trump: HE’S VERY SUCCESSFUL. HE’S GOT A LOT OF PEOPLE — KIM BRUNHUBER, CBC NEWS, LOS ANGELES. >>Ian: — >>THIS IS AN INSULIN PEN. >>Reporter: GENE LIVES WITH TYPE I DIABETES. HE SAYS LIVING — HE SPENDS ABOUT $5,000 A YEAR OUT-OF-POCKET ON HIS PRESCRIPTION DRUGS AND MEDICAL SUPPLIES. >>$5,000 IS A LOT OF MONEY TO EVERYONE. THAT’S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A CAR OR DOWN PAYMENT ON A HOUSE. >>Reporter: CANADIANS PAY SOME OF THE HIGHEST PRICES ON DRUGS IN THE DEVELOPED WORLD. SO FOR THE FIRST TIME IN DECADES, HEALTH CANADA IS UPDATING THE REGULATIONS.>>WE SIMPLY WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT ALL CANADIANS HAVE ACCESS TO COST EFFECTIVE MEDICATION. >>Reporter: CANADA MONITORS SEVERAL COUNTRIES TO DETERMINE HOW MUCH THEY CAN CHARGE. STARTING NEXT YEAR, THE UNITED STATES AND SWITZERLAND WILL BE REMOVED FROM THAT LIST BECAUSE THEIR DRUG PRICES ARE SO HIGH. THE ANNOUNCEMENT TODAY IS CERTAINLY A HUGE STEP TO MAKE SURE WE CAN MEET THAT GOAL. >>THE PHARMA CARE IS EXPECTED TO BE A HUGE PART OF THE ELECTION PLATFORM. >>THE GOVERNMENT ACTUALLY HAD THIS REGULATION ON THE BOOKS, ON THE TABLE FOR TWO YEARS, AND THEY WAITED UNTIL ONE MONTH TOWARDS THE ELECTION. >>Reporter: THE GOVERNMENT SPEND THREE YEARS REVIEWING THIS PLAN. THE HEALTH MINISTER SAID THEY TOOK ALL THAT TIME TO GET IT RIGHT. THE CHANGES ARE SET TO GO INTO EFFECT NOVEMBER 1, AFTER THE FEDERAL ELECTION. >>Ian: HERE’S SOME OTHER STORIES WE’RE FOLLOWING TONIGHT ON “THE NATIONAL.” POLICE ARE LOOKING FOR A SUSPECT IN A SHOOTING IN HALIFAX. A 27-YEAR-OLD MAN ARRIVED AT HOSPITAL WITH A GUNSHOT WOUND THAT IS NOT LIFE THREATENING. POLICE HAVE ARRESTED TWO MEN BUT SAY A THIRD GOT AWAY. >>>A CANADA WIDE ARREST WARRANT HAS BEEN ISSUED FOR A CANADIAN WOMAN ASSOCIATED WITH THE KILLING OF TIKI BROOK-LYN LAVERDIERE. THE RCMP IS ADVISING ANYONE WHO SEES HER NOT TO APPROACH HER. >>>HE MADE BOTH RACIST AND LEWD COMMENTS BEFORE ANOTHER WOMAN INTERVENED. MPLTHS TENSIONS REMAIN HIGH IN A SECTION OF KASHMIR. IT STIPPED ITS SECTION OF THE MUSLIM MA MOTHER REASON AND — BOTH INDIA AND PAKISTAN CONSIDER THE AREA THEIRS. THEY’VE FOUGHT REPEATED WAR STRUGGLING FOR CONTROL. EACH CONTROLS A SECTION WITH A CEASE FIRE LINE TO DIVIDE THEM. INDIA’S MOVE HAS INFURIATED PEOPLE IN KASHMIR AND PAKISTAN.>>Reporter: FRIDAY PRAYERS, AND INDIA RELAXED SOME RESTRICTIONS, ALLOWING PEOPLE TO PRAY. THEY RAN TO THE STREETS EMBOLDENED. >>IN EVERY PART OF INDIA, PEOPLE ARE CELEBRATING, BUT THEY DON’T KNOW THAT OUR HEARTS ARE BLEEDING. WE ARE CRYING. WE’RE UNDER SIEGE. >>Reporter: YOUNG KASHMIRIS ARE ACTIVELY PROTESTING, TAUNTING POLICE OFFICERS WHO ARE RESPONDING WITH TEAR GAS AND PELLET GUNS. YESTERDAY, INDIANS PAUSED TO WATCH THEIR PRIME MINISTER ASSERT THAT INDIAN CONTROLLED KASHMIR WILL NO LONGER GET SPECIAL STATUS, INSTEAD, GET SPLIT INTO TWO TERRITORIES. THIS MAN HAS NOT BEEN ABLE TO SPEAK WITH HIS SISTER IN A WEEK.>>THERE’S A COMPLETE ALIENATION OF KASHMIRIS. >>Reporter: THE REMOVAL OF SPECIAL STATUS CAME SUDDENLY AND MAY BE RELATED TO SWIFTLY DEVELOPING PEACE TALKS BETWEEN THE U.S. AND THE TALIBAN IN NEIGHBOURING AFGHANISTAN.>>THE PEACE TALKS ARE GOING SOMEWHERE, AND THAT’S A SITUATION THAT ADVANTAGES PAKISTAN AND DISADVANTAGES INDIA. >>WE REJECTED THAT IT’S AN INTERNAL ISSUE OF INDIA OR FOR THAT MATTER PAKISTAN. >>Reporter: NEXT WEEK IS CRITICAL AS INDIA CELEBRATES INDEPENDENCE DAY. SUSAN ORMISTON, CBC NEWS.>>Ian: AND CELEBRATING INDIGENOUS LANGUAGES WITH A LITTLE HELP FROM GOOGLE EARTH. >>MY ALONG IS A VERY BEAUTIFUL ♪ [theme] L’/. >>Ian: AS OF TODAY, YOU CAN SIT IN FRONT OF YOUR COMPUTER, LOAD GOOGLE EARTH AND HERE DOZENS OF INDIGENOUS LANGUAGES AROUND THE WORLD. IT’S BEING HAILED AS AN INITIATIVE TO PRESERVE CULTURE AND TRADITION. >>Reporter: LANGUAGES AROUND THE WORLD ARE DISAPPEARING AT AN ALARMING RATE. >>THIS IS IN BRITISH COLUMBIA, SO WE’LL HEAR A GREETING NOW. >>Reporter: BUT WITH THE HELP OF GOOGLE EARTH, MORE THAN 50 INDIGENOUS LANGUAGES ARE COMING TO LIFE. WITH RECORDED AUDIO CLIPS OF GREETINGS, CHANTS, AND EVEN A FEW TRADITIONAL SONGS. ONE OF THE BASIC SONGS WE USE HERE IS ASKING HOW ARE YOU DOING?>>Reporter: MANDY JONES IS ONE OF THE INDIGENOUS PEOPLE FEATURED IN THE GOOGLE EARTH PROJECT. >>MY HOPE IS THEY’LL LEARN ABOUT MY TERRITORY. THEY’LL HEAR A WORD AND SAY HMM, I’VE GOT TO LEARN ABOUT THIS. >>Reporter: THROUGH THE YEARS, JONES WORKED HARD TO PRESERVE HER TRADITIONAL LANGUAGE AND TODAY, TEACHES IT TO INDIGENOUS AND NONINDIGENOUS PEOPLE ON VANCOUVER ISLAND. >>IF WE LOSE OUR LANGUAGE, WE LOSE OUR CULTURE. IF WE LOSE OUR CULTURE, WE LOSE OUR LANGUAGE. YOU THINK OF THE RESIDENTIAL SCHOOL SITUATION, PEOPLE WERE PUNISHED FOR SPEAKING THEIR LANGUAGES. THEY WENT BACK HOME, THEY WERE AFRAID TO SPEAK THE LANGUAGES. >>Reporter: SHE SAID THAT THE FACT THE PROJECT COINCIDES WITH THE INTERNATIONAL YEAR PROJECT SHOWS THE IMPORTANCE OF LANGUAGE. >>THEY’RE TALKING ABOUT LAND, A LAND WHERE THEY COME FROM. >>Reporter: LAND THAT WAS TAKEN FROM THEM SO LONG AGO. CASS RUBY, CBC NEWS, TORONTO. >>Ian: SPOTTING DISCRIMINATION. HOW DO YOU FIGHT IT AND STOP IT?>>>AND SOMETIMES, IT’S ALL ABOUT PERSPECTIVE. THE STEPS ONE AREA ♪ [theme]>>IT HAPPENED WITH THE CHRISTCHURCH SYNAGOGUE SHOOTINGS, THE SAN DIEGO SHOOTINGS IN APRIL, AND THIS WEEKEND, THE EL PASO SHOOTING. ON 8CHAN, VIOLENT EXTREMIST, WHITE SUPREMACY TOPICS ARE WELCOMED. SINCE THEN, THE MAN WHO FOUNDED IT WISHES HE COULD TURN BACK THE CLOCK. >>IF I COULD GO BACK AND NOT CREATE 8CHAN AT ALL, I PROBABLY WOULD. >>Andrew: IT IS FAR FROM BEING THE ONLY ON-LINE PLACE FOR HATE, SO TODAY, THE WHITE HOUSE HAD A MEETING WITH SOCIAL MEDIA OFFICIALS ON HOW TO CURB THAT. DONALD TRUMP WAS NOT THERE, BUT HE DID SAY THIS. >>President Donald Trump: THE INTERNET HAS ALLOWED RADICALIZED MINDS. WE MUST SHINE A LIGHT ON THE DARK RECESSES OF THE INTERNET AND STOP MASS MURDERS BEFORE THEY START. >>Andrew: SO, THAT’S THE PLAN, BUT IT MAY BE EASIER SAID THAN DONE. I WANT TO SPEND THE NEXT TEN MINUTES DISCUSSING THAT. JOINING ME IN THE STUDIO, JOE MORENO, AND FAISA CHAUDARY. THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. JOE, MAYBE I’LL START WITH YOU. SO TRUMP’S STATED GOAL IS TO DETECT MASS SHOOTERS BEFORE THEY STRIKE. WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THAT?>>ANDREW, YOU SAID IT PERFECTLY. IT’S EASIER SAID THAN DONE. WE’RE TALKING ABOUT TRULY A NEEDLE IN THE HAYSTACK. IF YOU LOOK AT FIRST THE TECHNOLOGICAL HATE SPEECH ON ANY PLATFORM, IT’S EXTREMELY DIFFICULT. WE’RE GETTING CLOSER IN BUT WE’RE NOWHERE NEAR THERE. >>Andrew: WHEN IT COMES TO TRACKING AN ISIS MEMBER OR AN ISIS SYMPATHIZER OR AL QAEDA, THEY SEEM TO BE ABLE TO DO THAT QUITE WELL. WHAT’S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THAT AND TRACKING, SAY, A WHITE SUPREMACIST. >>AFTER 2017, THAT’S CLEARLY WHERE THE FOCUS OF THE U.S. MILITARY, U.S. GOVERNMENT, AND OTHER GROUPS’ ATTENTION SHIFTED. IT WAS EASIER BECAUSE YOU HAD IDENTIFIED GROUPS, RIGHT? EVERYONE KNEW THAT IF YOU TALKED ABOUT BEING A SYMPATHIZER OF AL QAEDA, EVENTUALLY, THE F.B.I.’S PROBABLY GOING TO KNOCK ON YOUR DOOR. THE DIFFERENCE WITH THE WHITE SUPREMACIST PROBLEM, IT’S A VERY DECENTRALIZED PROBLEM. IT’S NOT LIKE THE KU KLUX KLAN BACK IN THE 60’S AND 70’S WHERE THERE WAS A VERY CENTRALIZED COMMUNITY. VERY DIFFERENT GROUP. >>Andrew: WHEN I THINK OF THE STEREOTYPICAL SIGNS, PERHAPS I THINK OF SOMEONE WHO’S ANGRY, SOMEONE WHO HAS STRONG IDEAOLOGICAL VIEWS, BUT EVEN THEN, IT’S STILL A LOT OF PEOPLE. >>I THINK YOU HEAR TECH COMPANIES SAY THIS QUITE A BIT. YOU STILL NEED TO HAVE — THERE’S NO REAL THRESHOLD OR ELEMENT THAT IT KIND OF PUT A COMMONALITY AROUND THESE INDIVIDUALS OR ACTORS. BUT THE KEY PIECE IS YOU NEVER KNOW WHEN SOMEONE IS GOING TO BE CONTACTED BY SOME KIND OF COMMENT OR TWEET. FOR EXAMPLE, WITH THE QUEBEC MOSQUE SHOOTER, IT WAS A TWEET FROM THE PRIME MINISTER THAT WAS THE ULTIMATE STRAW THAT BROKE THE CAMEL’S BACK, SO TO SPEAK, BUT THERE WASN’T ANY CONTEXT WELL AWARENESS THERE. BUT I THINK YOU’RE SHARING STORIES OF PEOPLE RAISING CONCERNS TO LAW ENFORCEMENT AND EITHER NOT TAKING IT AS SERIOUSLY AS THE INDIVIDUAL HOPES IT WOULD BE OR BECAUSE THE INFORMATION SIFTED THROUGH IS SO VOLUME INOUS, IT’S HARD TO GET THROUGH. >>Andrew: THE LANGUAGE HAS SHIFTED. TALKING ABOUT GLOBALISTS, TALKING ABOUT INVASIONS TAKING OVER, AND YOU THINK ABOUT THE U.S. PRESIDENT HIMSELF HAS USED THOSE TYPES OF WORD. WHAT TECH COMPANY HAS A SOPHISTICATED ENOUGH ALGORITHM TO SORT THROUGH THAT AND WEED OUT THE GOOD FROM THE BAD. >>IT’S IMPORTANT TO REMEMBER THAT THE LEVEL OF OVERSIGHT OF THESE COMPANIES THAT’S REQUIRED IS HUGE. FACEBOOK IS A 2-BILLION-USER COMPANY. BUT I THINK WHEN WE LOOK AT THESE ISSUES ON PLATFORMS, ESPECIALLY FROM THE POINT OF VIEW OF HOW IT BECOME A — SORT OF A — A SELF-PERPETUATING ISSUE, WE NEED TO LOOK AT THIS SYSTEMICALLY. SO WHITE NATIONALISM AND HATE SPEECH IS NOT NECESSARILY AN ISOLATED PROBLEM. IT IS A PROBLEM THAT ALSO FEEDS INTO DISINFORMATION, AND DISINFORMATION IS A PROBLEM THAT FEEDS INTO THE WAY OUR DATA’S COLLECTED, THE WAY OUR DATA IS TREATED. SO IF YOU LOOK AT WHITE NATIONALISM AS AN ISSUE ON SOCIAL MEDIA PLATFORMS, CAN YOU CAN’T LOOK ONLY ON THAT. >>Andrew: YOU KNOW, WHEN WITH YOU LOOK AT THE — WHEN WE LOOK AT THE OUTCOME OF TODAY’S PLATFORM, THE SECURITY SECRETARY SEEMS TO EXPECT TECH COMPANIES TO BE ABLE TO DO THE POLICING. IS THAT REALISTIC? CAN YOU EXPECT THE TECH COMPANIES TO DO THAT ON THEIR OWN?>>WELL, LET’S SAY THEY CAN DO THAT, THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO PAID OUT THE GOOD FROM THE BAD — AND WE’RE GETTING CLOSE. BUT THE QUESTION THEN BECOMES, DO YOU WANT THE F.B.I. TO DO THAT? DO YOU WANT THE TECH COMPANIES TO BE OBLIGATED TO NOTIFY THE GOVERNMENT IF A CERTAIN THRESHOLD IS REACHED OR SOMETHING IN BETWEEN? SO I THINK THAT’S REALLY GOING TO BE THE BIG QUESTION THAT’S THERE. NOT ONLY DO THE TECH COMPANIES HAVE LIMITED RESOURCES IN SORT OF DEVELOPING THE TECHNOLOGY AND RUNNING THOSE ALGORITHMS, BUT THE F.B.I. HAS LIMITED RESOURCES, TOO. THERE’S NO WAY THEY COULD POSSIBLY KNOCK ON THE DOOR OF EVERY SINGLE YOUNG MAN WHO PROMOTES HATE SPEECH ON THE INTERNET. IT’S IMPOSSIBLE. >>Andrew: SO I WANT TO PLAY A CLIP. IT’S THE FOUNDER OF 8CHAN, AND WHY HE’S BEEN SO CRITICAL OF THE ADMINISTRATORS OF THE ON-LINE MESSAGE BOARD. >>I JUST DON’T WANT THIS TO HAPPEN AGAIN, AND I WANT THEM TO TAKE EITHER COMMON SENSE MEASURES TO KEEP THIS FROM HAPPENING OR MAKE SURE IT’S SHUTDOWN, AND THE PEOPLE THAT ARE WILLING TO TAKE THOSE MEASURES CAN TAKE THEIR PLACE. >>Andrew: OKAY. FAISA, THE IDEA OF SHUTTING DOWN A SITE, THE DEEP PLATFORM, CAN YOU SOMEHOW BAN SOMEONE FROM THE SITE AND SOMEHOW TACKLE THE PROBLEM?>>I THINK THERE’S A SYMBOLIC FEELING OF POWER WHEN IT COMES TRYING TO DEPLATFORM SOMETHING, BUT I THINK THE CHALLENGE IS THEY’LL JUST HAVE ANOTHER VARIATION COME FORWARD THAT PEOPLE WILL GRAVITATE TO. IT’S INTERESTING WHEN YOU SEE HOW 8CHAN WAS CREATED WAS BECAUSE OF PROTESTS OF FORMER CHAN WAS MODERATING DURING THE TIME OF THE GAMER-GATE DISPUTE. SO IF IT’S GOING TO BE DEPLATFORMED IN THAT CONTEXT, I THINK THERE’S SYMBOLIC VALUE WHERE YOU CAN TRY TO FLEX THAT MUSCLE SO TO SPEAK, BUT I THINK IT’S GOING TO SHOW UP SOMEWHERE ELSE REGARDLESS. >>Andrew: JANE, WHAT IS YOUR OPINION? WHEN YOU THINK OF THIS GAME OF WHACK-A-MOLE, YOU THINK OF MILO YIANNOPOLOUS, DIAMOND AND SILK, OTHERS, WHAT HAPPENED? THEY BECAME MARTYRS AND MORE POPULAR. WHAT DID WE ACCOMPLISH IN THE END?>>WHEN I THINK WE’RE TALKING ABOUT DEPLATFORMING IS THE ACCESS TO AN AUDIENCE. SO WITH THE LARGE MAINSTREAM PROVIDING THE FACEBOOKS AND INSTAGRAMS OF THE WORLD IS A LARGE AUDIENCE CAN FIND YOU THROUGH A SEARCH BAR VERY EASILY. WHILE I DO UNDERSTAND THAT FROM A LAW ENFORCEMENT POINT OF VIEW, IT CAN BE MORE DIFFICULT TO PENETRATE THESE HIDDEN COMMUNITIES. AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK THAT IS SOMETHING THAT LAW ENFORCEMENT HAS PRACTICED IN OTHER AREAS, LOOKING AT OTHER TERROR ORGANIZATIONS THAT WE’VE ALREADY MENTIONED. >>Andrew: AND JOE, GO. >>GREAT POINT THAT JANE RAISED. YOU CERTAINLY WANT TO REDUCE THE ABILITY OF THOSE INDIVIDUALS TO REACH A WIDE AUDIENCE, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, THERE’S A BENEFIT TO KEEPING THEM TALKING. IF YOU DO THAT, AND I’M TALKING ABOUT THE LONE WOLFS, YOU DON’T WANT TO SCARE THEM OFF SO MUCH THAT YOU CAN’T MONITOR THEM BECAUSE IF YOU LOSE THAT ABILITY, THAT’S ONE LESS TOOL IN YOUR ARSENAL TO KEEP TRACK OF THEM. WE HAVE THE SAME THING IN THE PRESOCIAL MEDIA DAYS WHEN IT WAS OLD FASHIONED INFILTRATION OF TERRORIST GROUPS. YOU DON’T WANT THEM SO SCARED THAT THEY THINK EVERYBODY IS AN F.B.I. AGENT AND THEY WON’T TALK TO ANYBODY. YOU CAN TELL THOSE THAT JUST TALK FROM THE ONES THAT SEEM SERIOUS. THE TENDENCY SHOULD BE TOWARD DEPLATFORMING, BUT WHEN YOU DO THAT, IT’S A WAY OF POTENTIALLY CUTTING OFF PEOPLE. >>Andrew: GUYS, THIS IS A FASCINATING DISCUSSION, BUT WE HAVE TO CUT IT OFF HERE. JOE, JANE, IRFAN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.>>Ian: IT WAS A FASCINATING DISCUSSION.>>IT SORT OF PAINTS A PICTURE THAT DESPITE THE STRUGGLES, DESPITE THE AD VERSITY, WE CAN MOVE FORWARD. I THINK IT’S AN EXAMPLE FOR ALL THE DIVERSE CULTURES THAT’S HERE IN THIS COUNTRY.>>Ian: CANADIAN TENNIS SENSATION BIANCA ANDREESCU MADE HISTORY AGAIN, AND SHE DID IT WHILE PLAYING THROUGH PAIN.>>SHE DID IT!>>Ian: SHE MADE IT TO THE SEMI FINALS OF THE ROGERS CUP, THE FIRST CANADIAN TO DO SO SINCE 50 YEARS AGO. THE 19-YEAR-OLD JUST RECOVERED FROM A SHOULDER INJURY. TODAY, A PULLED GROIN CAUSED A LOT OF DISCOMFORT. TODAY, SHE WAS ASKED HOW SHE PLAYED THROUGH IT. >>I TOLD MYSELF, GO BIG OR GO HOME. MY HOME IS LITERALLY TWO MINUTES FROM HERE. ♪ [theme]>>Ian: WELCOME BACK TO “THE NATIONAL.” PROTESTERS TOOK TO THE STREETS IN HONG KONG OVERNIGHT. THEY HELD WHAT’S BEING CALLED A RELIGIOUS VIGIL TO VOICE THEIR ANGER AT THE GOVERNMENT. HUNDREDS OF DEMONSTRATORS ALSO PACKED INTO THE ARRIVALS HALL AT THE AIRPORT YESTERDAY, AND MORE RALLIES ARE PLANNED OVER THE WEEKEND. THE PROTESTS STARTED TWO MONTHS AGO IN RESPONSE TO A NEW-SUSPENDED EXTRADITION BILL, AND IT’S MOVED INTO A DEMAND FOR MORE DEMOCRACY AND THE RESIGNATION OF CARRIE LAM.>>>AND AN EMERGENCY RED ALERT HAS BEEN ISSUED AS TYPHOON LAKIMA BORE DOWN ON THE WEST COAST. FLIGHTS HAVE BEEN CANCELLED, AIRPORTS CLOSED. EMERGENCY CREWS ARE IN PLACE ALONG THE COAST AS THE STORM HEADS NORTH TOWARDS SHANGHAI.>>>NOVA SCOTIA’S HOME TO ONE OF THE OLDEST AND LARGEST BLACK COMMUNITIES IN CANADA, AND FOR THE FIRST TIME, DESCENDANTS ARE BEING INVITED BACK FOR A CELEBRATION OF SORTS, CELEBRATING THE CULTURE AND HISTORY OF THE PRESTON TOWNSHIP, AND IT ALL GOT UNDERWAY TODAY. TOM MURPHY TAKES US THERE.>>Reporter: IT’S A CELEBRATION THAT HAS QUITE LITERALLY BEEN CENTURIES IN THE MAKING. A HOME COMING, ATTRACTING PEOPLE FROM AROUND THE WORLD, TO A SMALL HANDFUL OF NEIGHBOURING COMMUNITIES DOTTED WITH DESCENDANTS OF AFRICAN SLAVES, WHO CAN TRACE THEIR FAMILIES HERE TO THE 1800’S. MANY OF THEIR ANCESTORS CAME HERE TO LAND THAT’S SCRUB AND ROCKY. WHO COULD SURVIVE? THEY DID, BUILDING A COMMUNITY THAT’S DIVERSE AND STRONG. >>NOVA SCOTIA CAN BE KNOWN AS THE OLDEST BLACK COMMUNITY IN CANADA. THOSE COMMUNITIES ARE GENERATIONS OLD. >>Reporter: SHAPED BY DIVERSITY, OVER THE GENERATIONS, THEY SCHOOLED THEIR CHILDREN, FIELDED FINE SPORTS TEAMS, AND SOMEHOW MADE DO. AND THROUGH IT ALL, THE BEAT OF THE BAPTIST CHURCH, THE HEART OF THEIR COMMUNITIES. >>IT SORTS PAINTS A PICTURE THAT DESPITE THE STRUGGLES, DESPITE THE ADVERSITY, WE HAVE FAITH TO MOVE FORWARD, AND I THINK THAT IT’S AN EXAMPLE OF ALL THE DIVERSE CULTURES THAT WE HAVE IN OUR COMMUNITY AND SAY TODAY IT’S UNIQUE TO BE ABLE TO TAKE A BAD SITUATION AND MAKE IT A POSITIVE SITUATION. >>Reporter: A COMMUNITY THAT’S HAD TO ENDURE POVERTY AND PREJUDICE, ON THIS DAY, CELEBRATING ITS SUCCESSES, NOT SHORT COMINGS, CELEBRATING ITS HISTORY AND SHOWING ALL WHAT MAKES IT UNIQUE. >>THE FACT THAT WE HAVE SURVIVED ALL THOSE MANY YEARS, AND THE FACT THAT WE THOUGHT THAT WE WERE VERY POOR, BUT WE WERE RICH IN MANY ASPECTS. >>Reporter: IT’S BEEN SAID YOU CAN NEVER GO BACK HOME AGAIN ONCE YOU LEAVE, BUT FOR SO MANY HERE, HOME HAS NEVER LEFT THEM. TOM MURPHY, CBC NEWS, CHERRY BROOK, NOVA SCOTIA.>>Ian: UP NEXT ON “THE NATIONAL,” HOW TWO FIVE-YEAR-OLD GIRLS SURVIVED ADRIFT ON THE SEA. >>I WAS SWIMMING AT HARD AS I COULD, AND I WASN’T GETTING ANYWHERE NEAR THEM. >>Ian: THAT’S OUR “MOMENT.”>>>BUT FIRST, IN CASE YOU MISSED IT, INSIDE THE HALLOWED HALLS OF A CHURCH IN NORTHERN ENGLAND, HELTER SKELTER, THE FAMOUS SLIDE THAT’S METRES HIGH, IT TAKES SEVERAL MINUTES TO CLIMB AND SEVERAL SECONDS TO SLIDE DOWN. IT’S ALL PART OF THE CATHEDRAL’S SEEING IT DIFFERENTLY PROJECT, AIMED AT GETTING PEOPLE TO CONSIDER THE CHURCH IN A NEW WAY. IN THIS CASE, HELTER SKELTER OFFERS A VIEW OF THE MEDIEVAL ROOF AND STAINED-GLASS WINDOWS. >>WE HAVE TO REMEMBER THAT WE’RE DEALING WITH A REAL DIVERSITY OF PEOPLE IN OUR NATION AND IF WE’RE GOING TO REACH OUT TO DIFFERENT CULTURE OF PEOPLE, WE’VE GOT TO USE DIFFERENT METHODS TO REACH THEM.>>Ian: THE ROCHESTER CATHEDRAL ABOUT TWO HOURS NORTH HAS TAKEN A SIMILAR APPROACH, INSTALLING A SLIDE IN THE CATHEDRAL. >>THIS ALSO HAS A SERIOUS EDUCATIONAL PURPOSE HERE, AS WELL. >>Ian: THERE ARE THOSE SAYING IT’S A GIMMICK, SOMETHING THAT ♪ [theme] ♪ ♪ ♪ [dramatic instrumental] ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ [music fades] A FUN DAY AT THE BEACH TURNED TERRIFYING FOR A FAMILY IN NOVA SCOTIA THIS WEEK. WHEN THESE TWO FIVE-YEAR-OLD GIRLS STARTED DRIFTING OUT TO SEA ON THE FLOAT TOYS. THEIR ADVENTURE STARTED IN A SHALLOW SECOND OF THE NORTHUMBERLAND STRAITS. ONE OF THE SISTERS NOTICED, AND ALERTED THE MOTHER, SHE JUMPED IN, BUT IT WAS CLEAR THEY NEEDED MORE HELP. THE RESCUE, THE REUNION, THAT’S OUR MOMENT TONIGHT.>>I JUST THOUGHT THIS WAS GOING TO BE THE MOMENT I REMEMBER AS THE WORST MOMENT OF MY LIFE. I WAS SWIMMING AS FAST AND HARD AS I COULD AND I WASN’T GETTING NEAR THEM. I HOLLERED TO THE GIRLS, I’M GOING TO CALL FOR HELP, STAY ON THE FLOATIES, DON’T LET GO. LUCKILY, ONE OF THE PEOPLE THAT MY DAUGHTER FOUND HAD A PHONE ON THEM AND QUICKLY CALLED 911. THEY WERE SO FAR I COULDN’T SEE THEM. WHEN THE RESCUE BOAT FINALLY CAME, WE COULD SEE A DOT. IT FELT LIKE FOREVER. THE GUY WITH THE RADIO SAID, ARE BOTH GIRLS ON THE FLOATIES? AND THERE WAS NO RESPONSE AND I THOUGHT I WAS GOING TO BE SICK. AND THEN THEY SAID, WE HAVE BOTH GIRLS. THEY’RE ON BOARD WITH US, BOTH SAFE. I’M CRYING, HUGGING HER. THE FIRST THING SHE SAID WAS MUMMY, WE WENT WAY OUT IN THE SEA.>>Ian: WE TOUCHED ON THE STORY LAST NIGHT, BUT I’M HAPPY WE REVISITEDED IT. ON HOUR MIGHT NOT SOUND LIKE A LONG TIME, BUT WHEN YOU THINK OF THE TWO FIVE-YEAR-OLDS FLOATING OUT. I FIND IT SO MIND BOGGLING. AND SHUTOUT TO THE WALLACE DISTRICT VOLUNTEER FIRE DEPARTMENT. THEY JUST RECENTLY GOT A BOAT. FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER THEY GOT A CALL SAYING TWO FIVE-YEAR-OLDS ARE ADRIFT IN THE NORTHUMBERLAND STRAIT. AS I SAID, IT HAS A HAPPY ENDING. THIS IS “THE NATIONAL” FOR AUGUST 9TH. GOOD NIGHT. [ ♪♪♪ ]

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