The Confederate States of America | Dead Countries

The Confederate States of America | Dead Countries


slavery it was about slavery welcome to
what I hope is going to be a brand new series on this channel called dead
countries we’re gonna talk about countries that used to exist but don’t
anymore and maybe focus on the ones that have a looming shadow over our society
today and I can’t think of a dead country that looms heavily over at least
the u.s. culture more than the Confederate States of America a dead
country that was made and sustained entirely for the purposes of maintaining
a state of slavery and white supremacy in the south of what is now the United
States you might think in a comment you’re going to see someone write states
rights at the founding of the United States all thirteen colonies had legal
slavery shortly after though the northern states
began to abandon the practice because, well it was simply unprofitable the South
though came to depend on it it was actually becoming unprofitable then Eli
Whitney invented the cotton engine or cotton gin ass its nickname it’s a device
that makes it easy to separate a seed from a cotton ball which then allows
cotton to become much more profitable and in a global market cotton was very
very profitable this brought slavery back into the big
money business slavery had been baked into the American experience from day
one the Constitution itself has compromises made with the South in order
to keep the practice of slavery alive for the purposes of drawing districts
for the House of Representatives for example the South was allowed to count
black slaves as three-fifths of a person you might have heard of this called the
three-fifths compromise slavery then came to define the South slavery was
cruel oppressive and horrifying in ways that we can barely fathom today the
South’s dependence on slavery set the two regions on completely different
economic trajectories the North started to become more industrialized start to
become manufacturers traders while the South relied heavily on an agricultural
economy dependent on slave labor let’s not mince
words though the South was perfectly happy to keep this balance if it meant
that capitalists in the north could profit off of it many white people in
North also supported slavery because under a capitalist economy if those
slaves were ever made free they saw them as competition for scarce jobs one of
the first laws passed the United States was the Fugitive Slave Act which made it
legal for bounty hunters to look for escaped slaves in the north or even in
Canada at some points these bounty hunters would look for anyone who tried
to escape or failing that anyone who looked like them so the two factions
kept a relatively safe political balance until the United States started to
expand west pricee started to emerge when
territories were getting to the point where they needed to be integrated into
the United States as full-blown States if a slave state were to join the Union
or a non slave state then the Senate could be balanced in favor of the other
and both of them feared what the repercussions would be if the other were
to have dominance although let’s be honest the slaveholders did have the
dominance and politics at this point so when Missouri was ready to become a
slave state there was a crisis and a compromise in which Louisiana’s
territory which is much larger than it is today would not be allowed to have
any more slaves above a certain line with the exception of Missouri
and then in return Maine would be added as a free state to keep the balance
there was a second Missouri Compromise when Missouri was integrated as a state
despite having in its constitution a ban on free blacks then the United States
went to war with Mexico on extremely dubious terms but that’s a different
video and the result of the war was the United States annexing a vast amount of
territory in what is today the American Southwest they had to draw all sorts of
new compromises California a large Free State but that went below the line where
slavery was allowed the United States was admitted as a free state the
territory of New Mexico today Arizona and parte Nevada were set in with
slavery allowed as part of the compromise the District of Columbia
Washington DC basically had a ban on the sale of slaves there and there was an
implementation of a new more forceful Fugitive Slave Law to counter
the rising abolitionist activists who were going to more and more desperate
means to stop this horrific practice but it became very clear the US would rather
keep compromising and make bipartisan agreements to maintain the balance of
slave and non slave powers rather than address the festering infection at the
core of American politics in 1831 they implemented a gag rule which would ban
Congress from even looking at petitions from people to stop slavery and despite
all of these capitulations to the south southerners were still convinced that
there was a grand anti-slavery conspiracy theory to the point where
there was even a secret society the 19th century called the Knights of the Golden
Circle who wanted to secede the south from the United States join with parts
of Mexico Central America and the Caribbean to make a new slave state
which is rich because Mexico and the Caribbean by and large had banned
slavery by this point so they would be bringing slavery back to these regions
just imagine these people would have been like if they had a chant holy crap
at the same time the Whig party the representative of northern interests in
the United States was beginning to fall apart and replaced with a new Republican
Party the Republican Party started as a reaction to the expansion of slavery
into the territories they wanted to make sure that slavery did not leave the
south they want to make sure the new territory totally not stolen would go to
white yeoman farmers and not to big fat cats slave owners and they did pretty
well Abraham Lincoln was elected president in 1860 despite many southern
states taking him off the ballot his election immediately caused a secession
crisis many of the states that left explicitly left the United States saying
that they were doing so in order to preserve the institution of slavery I
mean you might not trust me I’m just some guy on the internet but let me just
give you a quote from Alexander Stevens who was the vice president of the
Confederacy okay this is mr. B reading this this is not actually my words these
are Alexander Stephens words the new government quote rested upon the great
truth Bethany is not equal to the white man that slavery subordination to the
superior race is his natural and normal condition this
our new government is the first in the history of the world based upon this
great physical philosophical and moral truth also girls don’t like nice guys
Kaka Stannis just memes and the CSA is gonna be red pill does fall Texas in its
secession declaration mentioned slavery 21 times states rights after the Battle
of Fort Sumter for upper southern states followed suit so at this point we now
have the Confederate States of America its first capital was in Montgomery
Alabama but in order to be a rallying call to border states they put the
capital in Richmond shortly after and with that the country was born as a
state in civil war with the United States so this is a country that was
basically fighting for its own existence from day one but you know getting away
from the Civil War aspect of it what was the Confederacy how did it function what
was it government like well it was almost a carbon copy of the United
States in fact both of them had George Washington as their stamps the
Constitution was almost word-for-word copied from the American Constitution
just with slavery enshrined and a six-year single term limit on presidents
oh and no Supreme Court immediately it suffered from issues of unionism there
were people in the south all over the place who did not want to leave and were
still loyal to the United States and wanted to go back so much so the state
of West Virginia was basically founded on this principle in places like
Appalachia and the Ozarks large communities and entire populations were
completely against the secession into the Confederacy in 1863 a group of
unionists took over eastern Tennessee and when Union troops landed in North
Carolina they were actually welcomed by unionists that is until he started
freeing slaves Texas had very little support for the Confederacy basically
just white anglo-saxon people at Texas supported secession in German
communities and Mexican communities there was a strong distaste for it and
they wanted to go back to the United States it led to draft resistance in the
German and Mexican communities and for the Texas government to
launched massacres on unionists there was a lot of repression of unionists
because of people who wanted to go back to United States the CSA became very
quickly pretty much a police state the United States cracked down a lot on
civil liberties too but the CSA had it down to an art now let’s talk a little
bit about how the Confederate economy worked it was still largely agricultural
they banked that they were gonna survive by getting England and France to help
because both England and France were dependent on American cotton but the
British had a large supply that they were sitting on and they had already
been developing cotton plantations in Egypt and India so they just started to
rely more on those they also imported a lot of food from the United States which
meant that they did not want to anger Washington by acknowledging the
Confederacy although the Confederacy did get a massive loan from French
capitalists I do wonder why French capitalists like slavery so much
capitalism I think we can all agree is bad and should be abolished from the
get-go the United States had a vastly superior economy having the industrial
base and the manufacturing base and the population that just out shown the csa
in every possible metric the csa had little to no industry to speak of they
focused entirely on agriculture when your economy is dependent on farming
then losing land hurts a lot more so as the US started to move into and damaged
Confederate territory the Confederacy started to really hurt economically
especially because the land was sometimes thrown away cotton and tobacco
which were two major exports of the Confederacy both destroyed the soil that
they grew on and so there was this constant need to get more land not too
long into the war the CSA suffered from massive food crises there were bread
riots in the street they had to punish farmers who were caught growing too much
cotton and none of food the railway system in the Confederacy was also
really badly organized there was just less of it than in the United States and
they had an issue with gauges in that the distance between the two rails was
different on different lines which meant that trains were not able to move from
one to other that meant that in a lot of cases
even in this disorganized patchwork of Railways they had to stop the train take
everything off put everything onto a horse-and-buggy system by the way there
was a horse shortage and then move it to the station that was in the next town
over that had a train station that wasn’t connected or had a different
gauge and then load everything back on to trains so it made getting things
around which you know is really important in a war much more difficult
so without help from the British in the French they had to rely on just printing
more and more money they printed tons and tons of money in fact the inflation
in the Confederacy was massive beyond belief it was so bad that even today
Confederate dollar bills historical artifacts you can find on ebay selling
for under $10 the government itself was weakened disorganized the military was
not standardized soldiers had to bring their own guns which meant that they had
to deal with different types of bullets there’s even one story of a Confederate
soldier who came equipped with a musket that his family members had used in the
Revolutionary War so we were dealing with guns from all over the production
stages so the Confederacy was poorly equipped had a bad economy and a
disorganized infrastructure what could possibly go wrong well they also were
pretty bad at strategy if you want to hear a little bit more you can watch my
robert e lee video where i talk a little bit about it but the csa was on the
backfoot it had a lot of things not going in his favor but that doesn’t mean
that they couldn’t have won what caused the Confederacy to lose is that they
relied on contemporary warfare pitched battles and traditional strategy which
is a losing bet when you don’t have the resource advantage robert e lee was a
brilliant tactician but in its strategy what the confederacy should have done is
focus on unconventional warfare like the Vietcong in the Vietnam War for example
the Confederacy eventually collapsed when they lost the war in 1865 it led to
the southern states being militarily occupied for several years followed by a
slow and painful trionic sation process but let’s say they actually had gone to
unconventional warfare do you think the Confederacy could have won well my
opinion sure they if they had focused on damaging morale
and ruining the war spear in the USA it could have been very easy for say the
Democrats to win the 1864 election and for the Confederacy to be given its
independence very likely though because of the change in the cotton market the
Confederacy if it had survived would be a super super poor country slavery was
also ending around the world which meant that if the Confederacy hung on to it
they’d quickly become an international pariah the combination of the death
knell of slavery and the collapsing Confederate economy would likely lead to
either a reunification movement very soon after what we wouldn’t see as a
civil war or just them languishing as a backwater
economic downturn poor place I also imagine that means that there would be a
lot of Confederate defectors especially black people escaping from slavery into
the United States which would probably be a source of more international
conflicts even a second civil war who knows so after the collapse the
Confederacy we had reconstruction also shortly into
reconstruction Abraham Lincoln the president was assassinated by John
Wilkes Booth and was replaced by his vice president Andrew Johnson who was
much more sympathetic to the south than Lincoln so in many ways the Confederacy
losing slavery did not ruin the southern way of life because they got a lot of
what they wanted class didn’t change much black people who fought in the war
and were recently freed got nothing really many of them became sharecroppers
on their former owners land the federal government eventually just gave up on
the concept of reconstruction many former Confederates managed to go right
back into government and because of terrorism in the form of groups like a
Ku Klux Klan and the return of white supremacist democratic governments Jim
Crow became the law of the land which was a set of laws that kept black people
extremely limited in what they could do and white supremacy in the south
continued it was a very violent period I suggested you watch a video I did about
on the Colfax Massacre which you can click on here the failure of
reconstruction was a major injustice to black people in America that we’re still
dealing with today to this very moment the systemic and generational inequality
between white people and black people especially in the south can tie its
roots to this very decision by the way I want to take
a quick moment to thank all the patrons for this video if you want to become one
yourself you can just go to patreon.com/scishow to lure a month you
get to see videos early and there’s all sorts of other perks you can get in on
if you don’t want to sign up for a subscription that totally makes sense
you can go to paypal.com or there’s been this morass of Confederate nostalgia
help it’s still on the flag of Mississippi
here’s the thing though starting about the time that Civil War veterans started
to die off in the early 20th century children of veterans started to
reinterpret the Civil War and the Southern cause specifically in something
called the Lost Cause myth they reinterpreted the entire Civil War to be
about maintaining quote/unquote the southern way of life which I think meant
the calm aristocratic lifestyle of having to not have to do a whole ton of
work because you own slept this is also where the states rights it’s arguments hard to come in and when
southerner started to reinterpret the war and give it its new very very
pompous nickname of the War of Northern Aggression overall the Lost Cause myth
was about minimizing and down playing the role of slavery in the reasons for
the causes of the Civil War and the reasons for secession in the first place
in order to believe in the Lost Cause myth you almost have to have as bad a
grasp on history as Dinesh D’Souza and throw out huge chunks of American
history so obviously tons of people believe it
so if you ever meet one say hey grandpa a Canadian leftist on the internet said
that you were wrong and this Confederate nostalgia came up in another wave in the
mid 20th century for reasons that I’m sure you might know you’ve got to take a
white and a black several Confederate flags and Confederate nostalgia came
back in the mid twentieth century as part of the white backlash against the
civil rights movement most of the statues that exist today in places like
oh I’m just gonna take a stab in the dark and say Charlottesville are cheap
crappy statues raised in the 20th century explicitly as a statement
against the civil rights movement and this was just an ugly thing that just
stayed in the south and white people in the South didn’t seem to mind much in
black people and as black people have done through a lot of American history
survived and put up with white people’s bullshit until in Charleston South
Carolina a man named Dylan roof with a
confederate flag on his jacket walked into a historically black church and
shot nine people dead which has since opened up a discussion about the legacy
of Confederate symbols and maybe why we shouldn’t be embracing this openly white
supremacist slaveholding state that existed in the 1860s and I think this is
an important discussion to have the United States is at a crossroads
the Confederacy and that kind of Confederate symbology stays as this dark
infection at the center of the American experience
it’s the infection people’s first instinct to say blue
lives matter in response to an unarmed black teenager being gunned down by a
police officer it’s the infection that builds a
conspiracy theory that Barack Obama was a secret Muslim
it’s the infection that puts a disproportionately high amount of black
people in prison putting them into a new form of works and servitude basically a
new Jim Crow as Michelle Alexander would say it’s the infection that in small and
big ways affects black people in America every single day and this is not
something that we’ve solved Barack Obama got elected didn’t solve this infection
the 90s colorblind liberal idea did not solve this infection hate crimes are on
the rise right now right wing white supremacy is the number one source of
terrorism in the United States and has been for a very long time the Lost Cause
myth and Confederate nostalgia is dangerous the Confederacy was a country
born out of hate and subjugation and it’s one we firmly need to relegate to
the dustbin of history so yeah be sure to watch that Colfax Massacre video and
let me know if this is a series if you want to see more videos on dead
countries that no longer exist and if you want to see more of them go watch
some more stepback videos youtube now rewards session time so keep watching
I’ll see you guys next time

100 thoughts on “The Confederate States of America | Dead Countries

  1. The next time that the Red States propose secession (or even the Blue ones), EVERYONE needs to watch this video. This country needs the entire population to work.

  2. Sooo ideas for the series further down the road:

    Yugoslavia, and the pro-Serb proto-states during the civil war, Gran Colombia, Czechoslovakia, Manchukuo, Democratic Kampuchea, the Bantustans

  3. 9:45 maybe they wanted revenge for what the haitian slaves did to the frenche population of Hispaniola.

  4. Another fun fact about the confederate government, if any state had any problems with government they could just leave and become independent countries. Not just big ones no it could be the smallest grievance and they could bailout. Like if Texas didn’t like how the tax system was they could say goodbye

  5. The only problem I have with this video is with the dead memes. Other than that I pretty much agree with everything.

  6. No mention of Bleeding Kansas – the pre-civil-war war 🙁
    Fucking Mizzou.
    But thanks for the good history you do include, and tying it to where we are at present!

  7. here a list https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_former_sovereign_states YUGOSLAVIA NEXT also you technically have 2 episodes you did do a video on the HRE

  8. … the Confederate navy essentially resorted to piracy…. because as the history guy says all good stories involve Pirates

  9. Inconsistent rant warning.Speaking on the gauge issue, to this day Australia’s gauges are different for each state and territory, general mcArthur said to a railway porter”look your gonna help the enemy here”, pardon me I’m paraphrasing, see the history of Australian railways documentary series, what have we learned, keep your track the same gauge. Next thanks for making this video, my grandfather experienced Jim Crow laws in Kentucky and Columbus Georgia, when he was in the army corps of engineers after he left Puerto Rico , ironically, I’ve been to the south with him, and he’s whiter then some people I saw waving confederate flags, but it’s not just a southern problem, I live in southern New Jersey, where I live people fought for the union, but it was a “controversy”, because even though slavery was illegal in New Jersey at this time, people where very much sympathetic, people around here tell me, “well we’re under the Mason Dixon line”, they don’t even know why that line exist, they don’t use it because “it’s their heritage”, it’s not, they use it because it represents white supremacy to them, “hitler was a socialist and I don’t support any socialism”, the next day the same person was raising his right hand in the air to his racist buddy’s, my other grandfather went through segregation as a Puerto Rican in New Jersey aswell, I heard stories throughout my childhood about segregation, we need to talk more about northern segregation and block busting, we need to talk about the confederacy in an honest way, thanks for making this video, apologies for the rant, keep up the great work, maybe next time you could talk about el Grito de lares and the very short lived Puerto Rican Republic?

  10. Great video. Good summation. I'm a North Carolinian from the Appalachian region and I heard all that lost cause bullshit when I was a kid in the 80s and 90s.
    IMO Appalachia is not "the South" but we share many cultural characteristics with the South, unfortunately. Luckily the "lost cause" business does not go unopposed anymore, but I feel like people around here are almost undergoing speciation, with conservatives and not-conservatives almost not associating with each other, just walking by each other in the grocery store. Of course family gatherings then become uncomfortable. 😄

  11. I'm a christian communist and in a few months I'm finally going on a pilgrimage to harpers ferry so I walk in John Browns footsteps.

  12. Great video. I would love to see more of this series. It is so strange and surreal the impact I still see of the dead confederate state here in NC. Would love to learn more about other countries and their histories of these ghost countries of once was.

  13. Prussia would be an interesting one for a future episode. It’s militant culture was a shadow that upon unifying Germany lead to a more aggressive foreign policy looking for any reason to expand its power by force leading to WWI. Being the largest German State even after the war in the Weimar period was highly influential. It’s military culture enshrined helped make the heavy militarism of the Nazis more acceptable. Perhaps if another more diplomatic and/or trade oriented the thought of conquest would be appalling

  14. every reason one can give other than slavery for the cause of the civil war, is just hiding slavery behind it. Stats Rights … To Slavery. Culture Differences … Due to slavery. Economic Differences … Due to Slavery. Since slavery was at (lets be real) the rotten heart of Southern society, it would be what influenced their decision making.

  15. Why did you use some videos of UK railways (specifically video of a GNR Class N2 which was built in the 1920s) when talking about American railways of the 1860's?

  16. This has great promise as a series, especially if you mix up the states covered. Like maybe a Catalunya video, or even older failed countries like Frankfurt Germany (1848). Anyways, great video.

  17. I'm convinced that at least 90% of all America's problems can be traced in some way back to slavery.

  18. "It was really more about states rights." As if that explains it or something. What does that mean? How can one talk about states rights without a specific issue in mind? As if we fought a war over the minutiae of governance. "These legers and invoices just aren't right. Their bookkeepers are terrible. Get the cannons! I'll get the muskets!" Yeah, it's not complex. It was about slavery.

  19. Thank you for this video! As a European, we don't get a lot of US/American history. Still hanging on to Confederate symbols seems, to me at least, to be in the same catgory as people hanging on to symbols of the Third Reich…

  20. I know it's not likely video material, but the conflict over the New Mexico territory in the civil war was pretty cool. The Confederacy basically cuts the territory in half and declares the bottom half Arizona which would be a new slave state. The USA then cuts the territory in half but cuts it into the map we half today, creating an Arizona they declared to be a free state while contesting the Confederate claim to the western part of the region. I'm from New Mexico and I never learned about any of this. There were 19 battles fought in the NM territory during the civil war, and I never knew about any of them from school.

    Also because of our shitty relationship with Texas, most people in the north of NM supported the union immediately when the CSA was formed. I think the north south division here may still have an impact on our politics in new Mexico today.

  21. No no no. There was a Supreme court Tristin. The roles just were put off in being filled until after the war

  22. 12:54 that’s kind of what they did during reconstruction. That’s how they overthrew the reconstruction governments and convincing the north to leave in 1877.

  23. Asymmetric warfare was how the US won against Britain too. It was a really obvious strategy that I suspect was ignored because the south thought they were strong, galant, manly men while the north were weak willed and malnourished because of their "inferior" economic model

  24. Awesome video. Really interested in what's to come from this series.
    P.S. You mentioned Dinesh D'Souza, is his video coming soon?

  25. I laughed so hard at states rights for what I almost choked on my watermelon. It’s okay, I’m black. And from Georgia.

  26. Having different rail gauges are a State's right – national uniform rail gauge is Communism. The civil war was fought to preserve different rail gauges not slavery, as the propaganda says.

    PS Poe's law is a basic human right.

  27. Yes more of these.
    Also, I know some rocker kids when I was a teen, here in the Pacific North West mind you, who had this naive connection between the confederate flag and being a 'rebel' in a generic way, including get this, 'I am a rebel because I hang out with people of different colors, so rebel flag y'all'. <blink> <blink>
    I bring this up not to excuse those kids or condemn them, but because decades later my jaw is still bouncing off the floor.
    And I remember the oddly sedate party where a few of these guys got talked to by a few of their POC friends, lots of serious looks and a few tears, and it's burned in my brain.
    And every time I hear about folks reinterpreting the confederate flag, I think of those poor clueless kids.
    Symbols mean things, folks; you can only re-purpose stuff so far. Yikes.

  28. The Confederate flag seems to me to be the American equivalent to the Swastika flag – a flag used by a failed country that implemented a horrible way of life based on hatred and bigotry, just to put certain people down. And today it‘s the representative emblem of said ideology. The difference is: in most European countries the Swastika flag is banned by law, so it couldn‘t be romanticized in any way.

    Also: great video, Tristan. Would love to see more of this series. I already read some good candidates here in the comments.

  29. The only person I’ve heard, unironically, in the last few years, claim the civil war was about states rights is James Allsup. Even PragerU made a video admitting that the civil war was about slaver.

  30. It's totally fair to say that the CSA seceded because of slavery, but I think it's still overstating things to say that's what the civil war was about.
    The USA attacked the CSA because they didn't want to concede the right of states individually or collectively to secede from the Union, and because they wanted to reassert the political dominance of industrial capital over rural aristocracy. After all, Lincoln didn't even issue the Emancipation Proclamation until 1863, nearly 3 years into the war, mostly as a strategic play to inspire slave revolts in the CSA and further destabilize their economy.

    tl;dr – "The civil war was about slavery" gives the US too much credit.

  31. You forgot the part where Napoleon tried to help the Confederacy by taking over parts of Mexico to open trade routes but were beaten by Mexicans. Thst is why people celebrate cinco de mayo, to celebrate the victory.

  32. One of my professors in a Civil War class said the CSA constitution forbid any state from seceding from the Confederacy. Another great bit of irony on this horrible dead nation. Great video! A nice look at the CSA without focusing solely on the war.

  33. I love the idea of this! You went pretty hard in this first one. I would like to see something on the Republic of Canada.

  34. The parts in Howard Zinn's People's History of the US about slavery are just shocking to read. Really the only other kind of slavery that is probably worse is what the Nazis did.

  35. When I see a quote by some old neckbeard in a video, I find it very helpful to look at the written text along with hearing the narrator. If that doesn´t cramp your style, I think it would be a good addition to already great videos. Loved this one btw!

  36. A very good video. For another dead country, how about the Republic of Ezo? A Republic founded by Samurai on the loosing side of the Boshin War, with a govt based in part on that of the USA.

  37. And if anyone still wants to maintain the illusion that the CSA gave a crap about states' rights- The CSA forbade its member states from adopting abolition on their own!

  38. Slavery is bad
    States rights had slavery as a reason which was to try to water it down.

    I don't think the south wants the south to be seen as racist
    That's the reason we try to change it.

    But uh… Capitalism isnt bad.
    The south was more in mt opinion less authoritarian capitalsts
    Which is what gets me.
    Blacks could own blacks too.
    The South was led by democrats back then.
    I'm thinking the blacks the South has tried to convert have listened to us and changed there culture.
    We just don't hear it

    … Btw Lincoln was a Republican …. There was no party switch.
    The democrats cared about making money by having a second class citizen.

    That's why i HATE the left.

    To clear this up just hear me out ….
    I know my profile may offend you and that's ok
    I appreciate you havinf an oppinion on the subject

    And anything you want to know about how i think about the civil war or War between the States
    Cause it truly was a 'War between states'
    The war was over slavery and the South wanted to secede for a while even before president lincoln became president.

    it was still about slavery I'll give if to you

  39. Could the CSA "win" the Civil War? I just don't see any way that it would be possible. The only way the CSA could "claim" a victory, would be if the USA simply quit the war and cut the CSA states loose.

  40. These men fought for their culture and way of life. At that time that included slave labor for agriculture just as now it depends on illegal immigrant labor. It wasn't about racism but about economy.

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