Sarah Silverman Interviews DeRay Mckesson | I Love You, America on Hulu

Sarah Silverman Interviews DeRay Mckesson | I Love You, America on Hulu

As you know, this season
I’ll be interviewing people who’ve experienced change. My next guest is a public
school educator who, after the fatal shooting of
an unarmed Michael Brown, was moved to join the Black
Lives Matter movement and become a civil rights activist. Please welcome DeRay McKesson. – Good to see you. – It’s good to see you too, friend. So three years ago, a
protest broke out in Ferguson. You were in Minneapolis
at the time, and you decided you’re gonna
drive nine hours to Ferguson, join that protest, and
take us through it. Yeah, so Mike got
killed on August 9th, and I was sitting on my
couch on August 16th, and I saw what was
happening on CNN, I saw what was
happening on Twitter, and they were just two
completely different stories. And I believed the people on Twitter more than I believed what
was happening on CNN, so I got in my car,
I drove nine hours, I put a Facebook
message up that said, I’m going St. Louis,
I’m going to Missouri, I don’t know anybody
in the state of Missouri, I hope that somebody can
help me find a place to sleep. And then I just got in the car. I got tired though. And I ended up in Iowa in
the middle of the night, and I like, pulled up
in front of a church, and I just went to sleep. I put some clothes over
my head, got back up, and I ended up in the street. And that was my story. That’s like, that was
how I got in the street. Wow, that’s amazing. And so, Black Lives Matter is by design a leaderless group. And because of that, I think that when
there’s not one voice, the downfall of that
may be a little bit… Downfall’s too strong a word, Sarah. (laughter) But, one thing about it is
it can get a little ambiguous what the cause is,
or what the causes are. Now if you were sitting with someone who didn’t know the
tenants of Black Lives Matter, what would you tell them? So we think about the movement just like we think about
the Civil Rights Movement, right? not tethered to any one group. But there’s so many people
doing incredible work. And we also think of this
actually as leader-full. That there are so many
leaders at every level. There are leaders in classrooms, there are leaders at the local level at the state level,
at the Federal level. We’ve created a space where people can lead wherever they are. So you don’t need
one Messianic leader. Like, you dont…No Messiah here. That we are empowering people
to lead wherever they are, and when we think about
what empowerment means, It’s like, I can’t actually
give you power. What I can do is help
you unlock the power that you already have. And like that’s what
the movement is about. So when you think
about the core tenants, it’s like, the difference
between equality and equity. So equality is, everybody
gets the same thing. Equity is, people get what
they need and deserve. And we are always
fighting for equity. The end of racism is about equity. The end of sexism is about equity. The end of patriarchy
is about equity. This is always a fight about equity. (clapping) Yeah. Wow. So what is the value of protest? Yeah, I think about
in those early days, you know, I’ll never forget getting tear-gassed the very first time. And in that moment, I was just like, America has to better than this. So I think about protest
as telling the truth in public. That we use our bodies
to tell the truth that Mike and Rekia and Aiyana and so many other
people should be alive, that we disrupt board
meetings and commissions so that the truth that
they’re not using their power in ways that benefit the lives
of people of color. So… You know we can’t fix
what we don’t talk about, and protest forces us to
talk about these issues. – It’s always bizarre to me when people decide to not take in the spirit of the protest,
the reason for the protest. They need to understand
it as something else to go along with the narrative that this protest isn’t okay.
You know? -Yeah, and we shouldn’t
have to protest, right? Like, I’m the first person…
Like, we should…. If voting had changed everything, we would have voted and that
would have made it all better. If calling people, if all those things were the way to make change, we wouldn’t have been in the street. But the reality is,
we tried everything else. And it didn’t work. So we took to the street to force people to engage with us. – Yeah, I mean, I think social media has been incredible for that as well. You’ve called Twitter where
the revolution is, right? -Yeah, I think about
Twitter as the friend that’s always awake, you know? (Sarah laughs) (crowd laughs) I’m Tweeting that I need toothpaste, and that Trump is wild, right? Both of those things are true. And that’s what I
would tell my friend, if my friend was right here. – So you’ve very powerful on Twitter, you have a great voice, but you’re not the only
powerful voice on Twitter. There’s also your vest,
which also has its own account. – It does. – DeRay’s Vest is an
account on Twitter. I would like to say
it’s probably @deraysvest. – [DeRay] It is. – Big question here: Do you share the same
political views as your vest? – I do, I do. Now, the vest is a
little snippy sometimes. I don’t run the vest account, I didn’t start the vest account, I think the vest account is funny. But people think it’s me, so the vest will say
snippy things to people, and they’re like, I can’t
believe you insulted me. And it’s like, I didn’t
do that, you know? – You’re like,
“Vest, you have to be nicer!” – Literally, I’m like DM-ing the vest like, “Please stop, just chill out. Like, stop snapping at
people, I get it, but calm down.” – I love that you’re
DM-ing the vest. (crowd laughs) – Whoever runs it is hilarious, but sometimes it is a lot. I’m like, okay, chill out. – Okay, so um, you’re
really a beautiful speaker and I would love to know how you would
approach communicating with un-like minded people in a way where we can really hear each other. – I think some of it is making sure that you’re asking more questions than you’re doing talking, so you understand the point of view that the other person is bringing. And the other, is making sure that they’re doing the
cognitive work, right? So people ask me, like,
police officers will say to me, Well, “Under what circumstances should police be able
to kill somebody?” Right? And I’ll say to them, Like, “When can the
police kill your child?” And then they’re like,
well I don’t know. Well I don’t know either, right. And I’m trying to get them
to work through this too, I’m trying to hear them process because we just don’t
approach the problem in the same way. And because I think I’m right
about some of these issues, I don’t need to preach at them, I need to understand
where they’re coming from. And that can only happen
when they’re actually doing more of the processing work. – Wow, yeah, that’s communication. clapping) That’s communication. “If it’s mentionable, it’s manageable,” as Mr. Rogers once said. You have a brilliant podcast, it’s called Pod Save the People. You talk about the steps
each of us can take to make difference,
so take us through that. – I think one is, start
where you are. Right? They’re like “Harriet
Tubman didn’t call me and tell me to be an organizer.” Like, I saw a problem,
drove to St. Louis because I thought that I
could do something about it, and like I started. I like did exactly what
I thought I could do, Knowing that this always
starts out small, like people… You know, I had 800 followers
when the protests started. I have almost a million now,
and like I started out small. The third thing would be, learn a problem and learn it well. So the more proximity you
can have to a problem, like, so if you care about reading, you should actually like,
see a kid learn how to read. If you care about criminal justice, you should try and do a ride-along, or like, visit a jail, or
do whatever you can to get as close as
possible to the problem. Read about it. There are a lot of
people whose hearts are in the right place, but they actually like, aren’t
close to the problem in any way. And like, you gotta be close to it if you’re trying to make a difference. And the fourth is that
you gotta have hope. And there’s a difference
between hope as magic and hope as work. Hope as magic doesn’t
actually mean anything, but hope as work… Like, we know our tomorrows
can be better than our todays because people like
worked to make it happen, and that’s what gets us through. – DeRay, thank you so much. – So good to be here. (cheering) – DeRay McKesson, everybody.

46 thoughts on “Sarah Silverman Interviews DeRay Mckesson | I Love You, America on Hulu

  1. Hope As Magic: poof, there are no negative comments.

    Hope As Work: on Tuesday, I'm going to a gun range, putting myself close to the problem I'm hoping to solve.

    Thanks for the interview, Sarah. Thanks for the interview, DeRay's Vest.

  2. DeRay and Sarah were very inspiring and intelligent especially regarding communication between people with different viewpoints. I see alot of negative comments on this page, but I don't see why anyone would object to or be offended by the things they said !

  3. Wow. I'm pretty appalled by the level of hateful idiocy in the comments. If you found this interview offensive, then you are part of the problem. White-hating? please.

  4. I love how the majority of these comments are by people who can't tolerate an intelligent and enlightened conversation between a jewish woman and a black man… Whoa! Scary!

  5. By being so nebulous and undefined, the BLM really suffers politically. The Civil Rights movements of the 60's were lead by extraordinary individuals with concrete political demands and defined tactics and practices. Dr. King and the SCLC were able to disagree with and distance themselves from the more radical tactics conducted by Malcolm X and the Muslim Brotherhood and this allowed average Americans to distinguish between the two. The BLM doesn't know what they stand for, they harbor violent radicals and communists, and I believe they will not be looked on with as much warmth in 50 years as we do Dr. King and the SCLC.

  6. It happens all over the world: tycoon buys fascists' and racists' support and gets elected; comedians give up their personas to engage the tyrant as themselves. SS now turns into a bad Oprah: same predictable questions but no genuine interest in listening to the answers. Instead obsessing on when during the aborted conversion to make a joke. SS is as poor an interviewer as Colbert. Please leave the role of poor comics and good interviewers to Maher and O'Brien, and go back to the stage. That's where you're needed.

  7. What these two are discussing sounds very good hearted and admirable, but it's all a facade. People can't just take what they are saying and side with them. You need to actually look at the actions of groups like BLM and what they really stand for and are doing. They're all talk, but their actions and ugly motives and ideals behind their false public image they try to push is the reality of what's going on. BLM isn't the new "civil rights movement", the people behind the civil rights movement were real brave men and women. These people like Deray here are a joke and are so far up high on their high horse it's disgusting.

  8. Equity is the core value of the philosophy of communism, as concieved by Marx. “Give what you can and take what you need.”
    Ofc “communism” is a dirty word in the USA (in capitalism in general), altho the socialy sensitive and developed countries (Norway, Finnland, Sweden) already have some forms that are stribing for it.
    And, let’s be simple and honest: communism is basically christian morality in it’s mechanism, without the deist theology, without god..

  9. That was amazing. If only people would listen more instead of just waiting for their turn to speak. Y’all fucking rock.

  10. Theres seens to be quite a few people in the comment section trying cherry pick his words to find something problematic when there conversation was polite and enjoyable because they actually listened to each other if your still looking for the problem look in the mirror

  11. That's fine but McKesson's basic assumptions are not believed by Larry Elder, Thomas Sowell, (black intellectuals) and a number of studies. SOME BIG BLACK LIES EXPOSED

  12. Sarah Silverman used to be a comedian shame what fame or the fear of it being taken away can do to a person core.

  13. God, you guys are gross. DeRay helped make my city worse. Helped make my neighbors enemies who were friends before the riots. We are friends now. But you paid for puppets fucked up our lives and you don’t even know.

  14. So unlike the Mormon family, Sarah never challenges DeRay on the overwhelming facts that Michele Brown was guilty. I watched your monolog about facts and blind allegiance but this show is just a liberal hug fest.

  15. blue lives matter too sarah while you sitting on your safe ass , just a sheriff sergeant killed by a lone wolf shooter in thousands oaks .

  16. 1. Brown's DNA was found on officer Wilson's gun. 2. Browns DNA was also found on the left thigh of Wilson's pants 3.Browns DNA was also found on the inside driver's door handle of Wilson's police SUV, the result of Brown's spilled blood staining Wilson's pants and the door handle. Wilson's DNA was found on Brown's left palm but was not found under Brown's fingernails or on his right hand. 4. there were three autopsies done County, Family, and Federal all three findings matched. OVERWHELMING PROOF is about as credible as a flat-Earther but Sarah Silverman does not challenge him like she does Conservatives. Why ? because Sarah is blindly biased

  17. DeRay is the biggest piece of shit. Most of us don’t care for him in Baltimore. He’s personally profited off of the riots. The city has gotten worse since he got involved.

    Police don’t want to work here. Murders have risen. More black people are dying. He’s supported by shady people. He’s done nothing to improve the city.

    He only worked as a teacher for a couple years before being hired as head of Baltimore City schools. He was also employed by Teach for America which just grabs any college graduate and places them in inner city schools. He was no way qualified for that position. Someone with better credentials could have been hired and actually improved schools.

    He’s garbage and hasn’t helped my city at all.

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