New Mexico Senate Debate Gary Johnson vs Mick Rich vs Martin Heinrich Oct 26, 2018

New Mexico Senate Debate Gary Johnson vs Mick Rich vs Martin Heinrich Oct 26, 2018


MEXICO WILL HAVE A SAY IN THE OUTCOME. ONE OF THE RACES THAT WILL SHAPE THAT BALANCE OF POWER IS OUR SENATE RACE. THREE CANDIDATES — FROM THREE PARTIES — AFTER A LATE ENTRY INTO THE RACE. 1:02:06 i think that )s really the excitement about this and maybe making it a little more interesting than it would be otherwise 1:02:12 AS WE HEAD DOWN THE FINAL STRETCH TOWARD ELECTION DAY. IT )S THE LAST 2018 NEW MEXICO SENATE DEBATE OF THE CAMPAIGN — AND IT )S COMING TO YOU FROM KRQE NEWS 13 — YOUR LOCAL ELECTION HEADQUARTERS. WE )RE BRINGING THIS DEBATE TO YOU LIVE FROM THE KRQE STUDIO IN DOWNTOWN ALBUQUERQUE. I )M NEWS 13 ANCHOR JESSICA GARATE — YOUR MODERATOR FOR THE EVENING. LET )S MEET THE CANDIDATES QUICKLY. TO YOUR LEFT — WE HAVE REPUBLICAN MICK RICH. DEMOCRAT MARTIN HEINRICH IN THE MIDDLE. TO YOUR RIGHT — LIBERTARIAN GARY JOHNSON … BEFORE WE START — THE GROUND RULES. THERE ARE VERY FEW… I )LL ASK THE QUESTIONS, THERE ARE NO TIME LIMITS, BUT WE ARE ENCOURAGING THE CANDIDATES TO STAY ON POINT. THE CANDIDATES ARE FREE TO COMMENT ON OPPONENTS VIEWS… OR EVEN INTERJECT. I WILL STEP IN TO GUIDE THE CONVERSATION AND TO KEEP THE TOPICS FLOWING. EACH CANDIDATE WILL ALSO HAVE A MINUTE AND A HALF FOR CLOSING STATEMENTS. LET )S TALK ABOUT SOMETHING HAPPENING RIGHT NOW. WE )VE ALL SEEN THE VIDEO OF THE MIGRANT CARAVAN — THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE MARCHING UP FROM HONDURAS THROUGH MEXICO TOWARD THE U-S BORDER. IN A TWEET THIS WEEK THE PRESIDENT SAID QUOTE — CRIMINALS AND UNKNOWN MIDDLE EASTERNERS ARE MIXED IN. I HAVE ALERTED BORDER PATROL AND MILITARY THAT THIS IS A NATIONAL EMERGENCY. WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN TO THOSE IMMIGRANTS WHEN THEY REACH OUR SOUTHERN BORDER? BY VIRTUE OF A COIN TOSS — MISTER RICH YOU )RE UP FIRST. LET )S TURN NOW TO THE BUDGET DEFICIT… LAST WHEN THE TRUNK RUNNERS CAME THROUGH, — DRUG RUNNERS CAME THROUGH, THEY WOULD KNOW IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT. WE HAVE OPEN BORDERS. WE NEED TO SECURE OUR BORDERS. WHAT WE NEED NOW IS — THIS IS NOT JUST IMMIGRATION, THIS IS IMMIGRATION THE WAY IT IS NOT SUPPOSED TO BE DONE. HUNGRY FIVE-YEAR-OLD REFUGEES DO NOT CONSTITUTE A SECURITY THREAT TO THE UNITED STATES. WE HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE IN PLACE TO MAKE SURE AS THEY COME TO THE BORDER, IF THEY ASK FOR ASYLUM COME IN THEY CAN BE PROCESSED. WE SEPARATE THE CRIMINALS, AND TERRORISTS, IF THERE ARE ANY. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE SINCE IT — NO EVIDENCE TO SUGGEST THAT AT THIS POINT. THOSE FOLKS ARE 1000 MILES FROM OUR BORDER. THE ONLY REASON WE ARE TALKING ABOUT THIS IS BECAUSE THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES THINKS THIS IS SOMEHOW A WINNING MIDTERM ELECTION MESSAGE. BUILDING A WALL ALONG OUR SOUTHERN BORDER IS A THIRD CENTURY SOLUTION TO A 21ST CENTURY PROBLEM. I THINK WE CAN PASS COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION REFORM THAT TAKES CARE OF DREAMERS –>>YOU HAVE BEEN IN WASHINGTON.>>GOVERNOR JOHNSON.>>THIS IS MUCH TO DO ABOUT NOTHING. WE’VE GOT THOUSANDS OF REFUGEES FROM THE BORDER. LAST TIME THIS HAPPENED, I BELIEVE 200 ENDED UP BEING AT THE BORDER. WE HAVE 2 MILLION LEGAL CROSSINGS ACROSS THE BORDER A DAY, SO THIS IS NOT AN ASSAULT ON AMERICA. WE DO NEED COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION REFORM. WE SHOULD MAKE IT AS EASY AS POSSIBLE FOR SOMEONE THAT WANTS TO COME INTO THIS COUNTRY TO GET A WORK VISA, TEXAS GET PAID — TAXES GET PAID. LET’S NOT BUILD A WALL ALONG THE BORDER. THAT IS NOT TO SAY WE SHOULDN’T HAVE BORDER SECURITY WE DON’T WANT DRUGS COMING ACROSS THE BORDER, WE DON’T WANT TRUCKLOADS OF CONVICTS COMING ACROSS THE BORDER, BUT THAT IS NOT REALLY HAPPENING. WE ARE A COUNTRY OF IMMIGRANTS. LET’S SHOW SOME HUMANITY.>>YOU BROUGHT UP THE BORDER WALL. LET’S TALK ABOUT THAT.>>THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT ARE AMASSING TO CHARGE OUR BORDER.>>CHARGE OUR BORDER?>>THE ONLY WAY TO CONTROL IT –>>NO, THESE ARE INDIVIDUALS COMING FROM CENTRAL AMERICA FOR ECONOMIC ISSUES.>>HOW DO YOU PLAN TO DO THAT?>>NUMBER ONE, WE NEED TO MAKE SURE OUR BORDERS ARE SECURE, WHETHER IT IS A WALL –>>BUT DEALING WITH THESE IMMIGRANTS THAT ARE COMING.>>THIS IS A MESS. THEY ARE BEING SUPPORTED BY CENTRAL AMERICAN COUNTRIES. WE DON’T KNOW WHO THEY ARE. IT IS NOT JUST ABOUT FIVE-YEAR-OLDS. IT SOUNDS GREAT ABOUT FIVE-YEAR-OLDS, BUT WE DON’T KNOW WHO IS COMING.>>WE DO HAVE A PROCESS.>>THEY ARE MARCHING THE BORDER TO OVERWHELM OUR BORDER SECURITY. WE NEED TO BORDER SECURITY TO ENSURE THE PEOPLE THAT COME HERE COME HERE LEGALLY. RIGHT NOW WITHOUT THE BORDER SECURITY, THEY ARE NOT COMING ACROSS –>>WE WILL NEVER HAVE AN OPEN HUNDRED BORDER. WE HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE TO SEPARATE CRIMINALS AND TERRORISTS FROM FIVE-YEAR-OLD HUNGRY KIDS. THE FACT THAT NEITHER MR. RICH NOR THE PRESENT CAN DIFFERENTIATE THE TWO IS A REFLECTION ON THEIR JUDGMENT THAN WHAT IS ACTUALLY GOING ON SOUTH OF THE BORDER.>>IF I MAY COMMENT ON A WALL, WHEN YOU GO TO NEW HAMPSHIRE TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT, THE FIRST THING THEY TELL YOU IS, ARE YOU GOING TO BUILD A WALL, AND IF NOT, WHAT IS THE MATTER WITH YOU? I AM TALKING ABOUT REPUBLICANS NOW. MY RESPONSE WAS, LOOK, LET’S NOT BUILD A WALL ACROSS THE BORDER. THIS IS SO OVERBLOWN, IT IS REALLY NOT AN ISSUE. GOSH, AFTER WE BUILD A WALL ACROSS THE BORDER WITH MEXICO, WE SHOULD BUILD ACROSS CANADA’S BORDER?>>THIS IS A PROBLEM. I NEED TO MAKE IT CLEAR HEROIN, METHAMPHETAMINE, AND FENTANYL IS COMING ACROSS THE MEXICAN BORDER. 90% OF HEROIN COMES FROM THE SOUTHERN BORDER.>>PEOPLE DIE FROM HEROIN OVERDOSE EVERY YEAR –>>[INDISCERNIBLE]>>GENTLEMEN, I AM GOING TO INTERRUPT YOU THERE. I THINK EVERYONE HAS GOTTEN THEIR POINT ACROSS. WE ARE GOING TO MOVE ON TO THE DEFICIT. LET’S TURN TO THE BUDGET DEFICIT. LAST YEAR IT HAD $779 BILLION. TOUGH DECISIONS ARE COMING. NOW WE’RE GOING TO DO SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY. I WANT YOU TO RAISE YOUR HAND IF YOU THINK WE SHOULD RAISE TAXES TO FIX OUR BUDGET. NO ONE?>>I THINK WE SHOULD REVERSE SOME OF THE TAX CUTS THAT GAVE ENORMOUS BENEFITS.>>WILL START WITH YOU.>>I THINK IT WILL TAKE A SUSTAINED EFFORT. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION, SEVEN OF THOSE EIGHT YEARS, THE DEFICIT WENT DOWN. INCLUDED CUTS TO PROGRAM, IT INCLUDED INCREASES TO REVENUE. WE HAVE HAD THREE ROUNDS OF UNPAID FOR TAX CUTS, TWO WARS, AND A TAX CUT UNDER PRESIDENT BUSH THAT WAS UNPAID FOR. SOME OF MY COLLEAGUES WANT TO PAY FOR THIS DEFICIT BY TELLING COLLEAGUES THEY SHOULD WORK LONGER OR BY CUTTING MEDICAID.>>WE HAVE A SPENDING PROBLEM. HE PASSED THE BAILOUT FOR AUTOMOBILE MANUFACTURERS. HE WAS IN WASHINGTON WHEN THEY BAILED OUT THE BANKS. NOW IT IS HEALTH INSURANCE COMPANIES THAT YOU ARE BAILING OUT. YOU ARE IN WASHINGTON AS A CONGRESSMAN. MARTIN HEINRICH, WE HAVE A SPENDING PROBLEM –>>WHAT WOULD YOU CUT?>>FIRST OF ALL WE NEED TO PUT TOGETHER A BIPARTISAN COMMITTEE. THEY COME TOGETHER AND DECIDE WHAT PROGRAMS NEED TO COME TO AN END. PRIME EXAMPLE HIS DEPARTMENT OF EDUCATION. EDUCATION IS NOT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT’S RESPONSIBILITY. THE OTHER ONE IS DIFFERENT SUBSIDIES.>>GOVERNOR JOHNSON?>>I HAVE ONE MESSAGE WHEN IT COMES TO THE FEDERAL DEFICIT AND DEBT. THE BIGGEST ISSUE FACING THIS COUNTRY, YOUNG PEOPLE ARE GETTING SCREWED. YOUNG PEOPLE ARE GETTING SCREWED. MY PLEDGE IS, IF ELECTED TO THE U.S. SENATE, I HOPE TO BE ON THE BUDGET COMMITTEE. REGARDLESS, I WILL SUBMIT A BALANCED BUDGET TO CONGRESS. YOU HAVE TO TAKE ON THE BIGGIES, AND THAT IS REFORM OF MEDICAID AND MEDICARE. SOCIAL SECURITY HAS TO BE REFORMED IF IT IS AROUND FOR THE FUTURE. THAT HAS TO BE MILITARY SPENDING. NOTICE I DID NOT SAY DEFENSE, BECAUSE IN HIS ANYTHING BUT DEFENSE THESE DAYS. CONSTITUTIONALLY WE ARE TO DEFEND OURSELVES AGAINST FOREIGN AGGRESSION. I ARGUE WE ARE THE WORLD’S POLICEMAN, AND LET’S PULL BACK.>>WHEN YOU HEAR OF SOCIAL SECURITY REFORM, IT IS IMPORTANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT TYPICALLY MEANS CUTTING BENEFITS.>>NO, WE WOULD BE ADDING MONEY — RAISE THE RETIREMENT AGE? IT IS IRRESPONSIBLE TO SAY YOU ARE NOT GOING TO CUT SOCIAL SECURITY. YOUNG PEOPLE ARE GETTING SCREWED.>>I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR AS I LISTENED TO GARY JOHNSON SAY HE IS GOING TO SUBMIT A BALANCED BUDGET — WHAT HE REALIZES IS SENATE DOESN’T SUBMIT A BUDGET. THAT IS THE PRESIDENT’S JOB, RESPONSIBILITY TO SUBMIT THE BUDGET. DOES GARY JOHNSON EVEN KNOW WHAT OFFICE HE IS RUNNING IN? HE HAD A BACKGROUND DEAL TO GET ON THIS CAMPAIGN. IF YOU WANT –>>LET’S TALK ABOUT THAT. THIS IS UNUSUAL. WE HAVE THREE CANDIDATES SITTING HERE. MR. JOHNSON, YOU JUMPED INTO THE RACE RATHER LATE. MR. RICH, WHERE THERE ANY GROUPS ASKING YOU TO STEP DOWN?>>THEY JUMPED OUT OF THE WOODWORK TO ASK ME TO GET OUT OF THE RACE. MY THING WAS, NO BACKROOM DEALS TO GET GARY JOHNSON IN THIS RACE WOULD GET ME TO BACK OUT. GARY JOHNSON HAD ONLY EIGHT PEOPLE SHOW UP IN THE STATE TO GET HIM ON THE BALLOT. THIS IS OLD-TIME POLITICS. THIS ISN’T RIGHT. I HAD CLOSE TO 1000 TIMES MORE PEOPLE VOTE TO GET ME ON THE BALLOT THAN GARY JOHNSON. IF ANYBODY SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN OFF THE BALLOT, IT WAS GARY.>>ARE YOU DISAPPOINTED WITH THE LACK OF FUNDING DONATED TO YOUR CAMPAIGN?>>I AM NOT SURPRISED. I AM NOT A POLITICIAN. I AM A BUSINESSMAN AND HAVE BEEN BUILDING COMMUNITIES IN NEW MEXICO FOR 30 YEARS. I AM NOT ONE OF THE PARTY BOYS. THAT IS WHY I AM THE TRUE INDEPENDENT, REPUBLICAN INDEPENDENT IN THIS RACE. I AM NOBODY’S GUY. I AM THE VOTER’S PERSON. I WILL LEAVE OUR ADVOCATE IN WASHINGTON. — BE YOUR ADVOCATE IN WASHINGTON.>>MR. JOHNSON, ARE YOU MAKING IT EASIER FOR MR. HEINRICH TO WIN THE RACE?>>I AM NOT DOING ANY DAMAGE TO ANYONE OTHER THAN ARGUABLY MARTIN IF SHE DOES NOT — IF HE IS NOT REELECTED. EVERYONE HAS THEIR HEADS IN THE SAND OVER THE DEBT AND THE DEFICIT, AND THAT THIS YEAR WE ARE GOING TO SPEND $480 BILLION FOR INTEREST ONLY ON THE 10TH. — ON THE DEB $550 BILLIONT. IN FIVE YEARS, IF INTEREST RATES GO UP 1.5%, WITH TRILLION DOLLAR DEFICIT SPENDING FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS, IT IS POSSIBLE WE COULD BE SPENDING IN FIVE YEARS $1 TRILLION ON INTEREST ONLY ON THE DEBT. YOUNG PEOPLE, YOU ARE GETTING SCREWED. THIS IS SHORT-TERM THINKING. LET’S HAVE A LONG-TERM OUTLOOK ON THE UNITED STATES AND THE OPPORTUNITIES IT CAN PRESENT –>>GENTLEMEN, LET’S LET SENATOR HEINRICH RESPOND.>>BOTH OF MY OPPONENTS JUST SUPPORTED A $2 TRILLION TAX CUT THAT DIDN’T CREATE HIGHER WAGES FOR THE PEOPLE OF NEW MEXICO, THAT LARGELY WENT TO WALL STREET TO FINANCE STOCK BUYBACKS. NOW THEY ARE GOING TO LECTURE US ON FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY.>>GARY JOHNSON MADE IT VERY CLEAR JUST NOW THAT HE IS NOT RUNNING TO THE NEW MEXICO’S U.S. SENATOR, HE IS RUNNING TO ADVANCE HIS AGENDA, THAT WHO HE BELIEVES HE IS RUNNING TO BE THE LIBERTARIAN CANDIDATE.>>I WILL INTERRUPT YOU NOW. FINISH UP YOUR THOUGHTS.>>LET’S TALK ABOUT CLIMATE CHANGE FOR A CHANGE.>>WE ARE GOING TO STICK ON TOPIC.>>SO WE WILL GET TO CLIMATE CHANGE LATER?>>STAY ON-TOPIC. TURNING NOW TO THE SUPREME COURT, WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE NEXT QUESTION. SUPREME COURT JUSTICE BRETT KAVANAUGH’S CONFIRMATION HEARINGS TURNED INTO A SPECTACLE. NOW THE CONTROVERSY HAS BECOME CAMPAIGN FODDER. PRESIDENT TRUMP: WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM WAS SO UNFAIR. WE STUCK WITH HIM ALL THE WAY, BECAUSE WE KNEW THE FACTS. WE STUCK WITH HIM ALL THE WAY.>>GOODNESS SPARKED WIDE DEBATE ABOUT HOW TO ADDRESS SERIOUS OLD ALLEGATIONS THAT SURFACE AND HOLDING DECADES OLD DAVE YOU’RE LIKE DRINKING AGAINST A SUPREME COURT NOMINEE. MR. RICH WAS QUOTED SAYING HE WOULD LIKE TO SEE MARTIN HEINRICH GO TO A HIGH SCHOOL AND TELL STUDENTS IF YOU WENT TO A PARTY AND BEHAVED INAPPROPRIATELY, YOU HAVE NO FUTURE. I THINK WE ALL CAN AGREE TONIGHT THAT IF SERIOUS CRIMES ARE PROVEN AGAINST A SUPREME COURT NOMINEE, INCLUDING SEXUAL ASSAULT, THAN THE CANDIDATE SHOULD BE DISQUALIFIED. WHAT ABOUT IMMATURE TEENAGE OR COLLEGE BEHAVIOR? SHOULD THAT WEIGH IN ON A NOMINEE’S PROSPECTS?>>NO, IT SHOULDN’T. IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT A TOPIC THAT HAS REALLY UNFAIRLY AFFECTED TENS OF MILLIONS OF AMERICANS, IT IS THE CRIMINALIZATION OF MARIJUANA, AND THE FACT THAT WE HAVE TENS OF MILLIONS OF AMERICANS WHO ARE CONVICTED FELONS BECAUSE OF THEIR DRUG LAWS WHO OTHERWISE WOULD BE TAXPAYING CITIZENS. WE ALL DO STUPID THINGS. STUPID IS ONE THING, CRIMINAL ACTIVITY IS ANOTHER. LOOK — THERE IS NO ESCAPING CRIMINAL CONDUCT.>>I JUST THIS WEEK ADDRESSED 175 HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS IN THEIR GOVERNMENT CLASS. WE TALKED ABOUT WHAT IT MEANS TO RUN FOR THE U.S. SENATE, WHAT I INTEND TO DO. THESE ARE GREAT PEOPLE. WHAT WE TALK ABOUT IS WHAT GOES ON IN HIGH SCHOOL. I HAVE FOUR CHILDREN, THREE DAUGHTERS, ONE SON. IT IS A MATTER OF HOW FAR BACK YOU GO TO HOLD SOMEBODY ACCOUNTABLE. WHAT MY DAUGHTER ONCE SAID TO ME, SHE SAID A LOSER ISN’T SOMEBODY WITH A PATH, IT’S SOMEONE WITH NO FUTURE. WE NEED TO GIVE OUR YOUNG PEOPLE ON BRIGHT FUTURE. IF AT SOME POINT WE SAID YOU’VE GOT A CLEAN SLATE, THE LEGAL SYSTEM ALLOWS FOR THAT. WHAT TOOK PLACE IN WASHINGTON WITH JUDGE KAVANAUGH AND THE BACK AND FORTH AND THE SCREAMING — WE NEED A SENATOR IN WASHINGTON THAT IS GOING TO REACH ACROSS THE AISLE WITH THE SAME VOICE, THAT IS WILLING TO REACH OUT AND TALK TO ONE ANOTHER. THAT IS WHAT IS LACKING. NOT ONLY IS IT HAPPENING IN CONGRESS AND THE SENATE, BUT LOOK AT THE JUST ARRESTED BALLMER. –ARRESTED BOMBER.>>YOU GOT YOUR POINT ACROSS.>>MR. RIDGE SAID I SHOULD GO TO A HIGH SCHOOL AND TELL HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS IF THEY DO SOMETHING INAPPROPRIATE AT A PARTY, I SHOULD TELL THEM THEIR FUTURE IS GONE. SEXUAL ASSAULT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT IS JUST AND APPROPRIATE. SEXUAL ASSAULT IS A CRIME. WE SHOULD START AT A PLACE WHERE WE TAKE SURVIVORS SERIOUSLY, WHERE WE DON’T MOCK THEN AT POLITICAL RALLIES BECAUSE OF THE MESSAGE THAT SENDS TO SURVIVORS, WHETHER THEY WERE ACCOSTED 30 YEARS AGO OR ACCOSTED LAST WEEK.>>I DON’T SEE SENATOR HEINRICH CALLING OUT THE COCHAIRMAN OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY RESIGN OVER THE ALLEGATIONS AGAINST HIM.>>I HOLD MY OWN COLLEAGUE TO A HIGHER STANDARD AND ASKED FOR SENATOR AL FRANKEN TO STEP DOWN.>>LET’S GO TO A TOP CONCERN FOR NEW MEXICAN, ESPECIALLY IN THE ALBUQUERQUE AREA, THE CRIME PROBLEM. BEFORE WE ATTACK THAT QUESTION, IT SEEMS JUST ABOUT EVERYONE IN NEW MEXICO HAS A CRIME STORY. HAVE YOU EVER BEEN A VICTIM OF CRIME IN NEW MEXICO, AND IF SO, BRIEFLY TELL US ABOUT. MR. RICH: I HAVE BEEN A BUSINESS OWNER FOR 35 YEARS. OF COURSE I RUN ACROSS SITUATIONS. WE HAVE HAD A FEW VEHICLES STOLEN. I WAS ABLE TO RECOVER ONE OF THEM. SINGLE-HANDEDLY WAS ABLE TO GET THEM PULL OVER AND WALK AWAY. MY DAUGHTER JUST RECENTLY — SHE IS A SECOND YEAR MED STUDENT AT UNM. SHE WAS GETTING GAS AND THERE WERE A COUPLE SKETCHY CHARACTERS IN THE PARKING LOT. A WOMAN CAME TO MY DAUGHTER AND SAID, WE BOUGHT THIS WHEN WE CAME TO ALBUQUERQUE BECAUSE WE KNOW WHAT IT’S LIKE, AND WE WANT TO GIVE THIS TO YOU BECAUSE YOU NEED IT. HOW DO WE EXPECT TO KEEP OUR DOCTORS AND EMPLOYERS HERE WITH THE CRIME WE HAVE?>>MR. HEINRICH, HAVE YOU BEEN A VICTIM OF CRIME IN NEW MEXICO? MR. HEINRICH: I HAVE. OUR HOME WAS BROKEN INTO IN NEW MEXICO. THEY TOOK WHATEVER THEY THOUGHT WAS VALUABLE, A LOT OF FAIRLY HEIRLOOMS, INCLUDING ONE OF OUR WEDDING RINGS. IT IS A PROBLEM. MY NEIGHBOR ACTUALLY HAD A HOME INVASION, SO I AM VERY FAMILIAR WITH THIS. WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH THIS BEFORE. WE HAVE BEEN THROUGH THE CRIME SPREE IN THE MID-1990’S, AND I THINK WE HAVE VERY PROVEN SOLUTIONS. 10 YEARS AGO, WE DIDN’T HAVE THIS PROBLEM IN ALBUQUERQUE, AND I THINK WE NEED TO GO BACK TO THOSE SOLUTIONS. MR. JOHNSON: I HAVE HAD MY HOME BROKEN INTO A COUPLE TIMES. MY FIRST CAR, I GOT THE TOP STOLEN. I FOUND THE CULPRIT. I LET HIM GO, RIGHT OR WRONG, AFTER I WAS ABLE TO DELIVER A SEVERE TONGUE LASHING TO THE INDIVIDUAL. AS A U.S. SENATOR, THERE ARE FUNDS AVAILABLE TO HELP NEW MEXICO COMMUNITIES, ALBUQUERQUE — IF IT IS AN ISSUE OF FUNDS, THOSE FUNDS ARE AVAILABLE. THERE IS NO ONE AT THE TABLE THAT IS GOING TO STEP UP AND MAKE THEM IN.>>ALMOST HALF OF ALL NEW MEXICANS OWN A GUN, THE SECOND-HIGHEST RATE IN THE COUNTRY. ALL THREE CANDIDATES TONIGHT HAVE MADE IT KNOWN THEY ARE GUN OWNERS AS WELL. EARLIER THIS MONTH ON THE ANNIVERSARY OF THE COUNTRY’S MOST DEADLY SHOOTING SPREE AT A LAS VEGAS COUNTRY MUSIC CONCERT, PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS QUOTED AS SAYING WE ARE KNOCKING OUT BUMP STOCKS, AND I WILL BE ABLE TO WRITE OUT BUMP STOCKS. BUMP STOCKS ARE DEVICE THAT CAN INCREASE THE FIRING RATE ON A SEMI AUTOMATIC WEAPON. DO WE NEED A BAN ON BUMP STOCKS OR ASSAULT RIFLES?>>LET’S START WITH THE FACT THAT AS A GUN OWNER I THINK WE HAVE A SPECIAL RESPONSIBILITY AS GUN OWNERS TO STEP UP AND BE PART OF THE SOLUTION. I ACTUALLY COSPONSORED LEGISLATION WITH SENATOR JEFF FLAKE OF ARIZONA, THE ONLY BIPARTISAN LEGISLATION TO PROHIBIT BUMP STOCKS. THERE IS NO LEGITIMATE USE FOR THAT ITEM. AS A GUN OWNER, I CAN TELL YOU THERE IS NO REASON ANYONE NEEDS TO OWN A BUMP STOCK. WE CAN STEP UP TO THIS EPIDEMIC OF MASS SHOOTINGS IN THIS COUNTRY, INCLUDING HERE IN NEW MEXICO, WHERE WE HAD A MASS SHOOTER AT THE HIGH SCHOOL.>>WHAT ABOUT ASSAULT RIFLES?>>I THINK WE SHOULD BAN ASSAULT RIFLES, BUT IN A WAY THAT IS BASED ON FORM AND FUNCTION, NOT ON COSMETICS. IN THE PAST THAT SORT OF LEGISLATION HAS NOT BEEN WELL-CRAFTED. I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT FOR GUN OWNERS TO BE PART OF THE PROCESS OF CRAFTING THAT LEGISLATION, AND THAT IS WHAT I WILL DO.>>SENATOR HEINRICH, DID YOUR BILL GET SIGNED INTO LAW?>>I DON’T THINK ANY REASONABLE GUN LIMITATION IN THIS CONGRESS IS GOING TO GET PAST MITCH MCCONNELL AND REPUBLICANS IN CONGRESS.>>SO THE ANSWER IS NO. YOU HAD NO BILLS SIGNED INTO LAW.>>HE IS GOING TO CARRY WATER FOR THE NRA.>>MR. RICH, DO YOU WANT A BAN ON BUMP STOCKS OR ASSAULT RIFLES?>>I AM NOT PUTTING FORWARD THAT WE NEED TO BAN ASSAULT RIFLES. WHAT I AM SAYING IS WE NEED TO ELIMINATE ANY POSSIBILITY FOR ASSAULT WEAPONS TO BECOME FULLY AUTOMATIC, WHATEVER SYSTEM IT TAKES. THE ISSUE ABOUT BUMP STOCKS IS YOU ARE UNABLE TO POINT THAT WEAPON AT A TARGET, IT MOVES AROUND A LOT.>>IT DIDN’T STOP A WHOLE OTHER PEOPLE FROM DYING.>>ANY SYSTEM THAT PUTS IN PLACE TO MAKE A WEAPON FULLY AUTOMATIC IS NOT ACCEPTABLE TO ME.>>SHOULD WE BAN BUMP STOCKS?>>FOR STARTERS, LET’S TALK ABOUT ASSAULT RIFLES. AUTOMATIC RIFLES ARE BANNED. AUTOMATIC WEAPONS ARE BANNED. ASSAULT RIFLES ARE IN THE CATEGORY OF SEMI-AUTOMATIC RIFLE’S, OF WHICH THERE ARE 50 MILLION OF THEM IN THIS COUNTRY. SO IF YOU BAN SEMIAUTOMATIC RIFLES, YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT 50 MILLION PEOPLE THAT WOULD HAVE TO HAND IN THEIR RIFLES. I AM GOING TO SUGGEST MAYBE HALF OF THEM DO, HALF OF THEM DON’T, AND YOU CREATE A NEW CATEGORY OF FELON THAT INCLUDES YOUR FRIENDS AND COWORKERS. IN REGARDS TO BUMP STOCKS, RIGHT NOW YOU CAN RIG — I SAW ON THE NEWS YOU CAN RIG A RUBBER BAND TO ACCOMPLISH THE SAME THING AS A BUMP STOCK. IS ELIMINATING BUMP STOCKS GOING TO ALLEVIATE THE PROBLEM WHEN A RUBBER BAND CAN BE SUBSTITUTED?>>YOU ARE HEARING NO FROM MY COLLEAGUES.>>IT SOUNDS WRONG TO PUT A LIMIT ON IT, BUT WILL IT ACCOMPLISH ANYTHING OR CREATE FELONS FOR THOSE THAT OWN BUMP STOCKS?>>I AM GOING TO STOP YOU HERE. WE ARE GOING TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT QUESTION. THREE YEARS AGO, A VIOLENT EX-CON WAS CHARGED IN THE SHOOTING OF ALBUQUERQUE POLICE OFFICER DANIEL WEBSTER. HE BOUGHT THE GUN FROM A LOCAL COUPLE WHO POSTED A FOR SALE AD ONLINE. THEY SOLD IT TO HIM ON THE STREET, NO BACKGROUND CHECKS REQUIRED. SHOULD THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT REQUIRE BACKGROUND CHECKS ON PRIVATE SALES TO KEEP GUNS OUT OF THE HANDS OF CRIMINALS?>>PRIVATE SALES, WHETHER THAT IS AN EXTENSION OR NOT, BACKGROUND CHECKS I THINK ARE ESSENTIAL. WE SHOULD BE OPEN TO A DISCUSSION ON HOW WE KEEP GUNS OUT OF THE HANDS OF THE MENTALLY ILL, HOW WE KEEP GUNS OUT OF THE HANDSBUT IT BRINGS UP A BROADER ISSUE. THE DEVIL IS IN THE DETAILS. WHAT YOU END UP DOING WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT A PRIVATE SALE FROM ONE INDIVIDUAL TO ANOTHER, OR THE TRANSFER OF WEAPONS FROM ONE INDIVIDUAL TO THE OTHER IS YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT FAMILY MEMBERS THAT WANT TO — AND THERE IS AN EXCLUSION FOR FAMILY MEMBERS, BUT ONLY DIRECT FAMILY MEMBERS. THIS GETS COMPLICATED. BOTTOM LINE, YOU CREATE AN ENTIRELY NEW CLASS OF FELONS BECAUSE THE DEVIL IS IN THE DETAILS AND WHEN YOU START TALKING ABOUT TRANSFER OF WEAPONS, THAT AS A WHOLE CATEGORY OF YOU MAY BE TRANSFERRING YOUR WEAPON TO A GOOD FRIEND AND NOW THAT IS AGAINST THE LAW. IT IS A FELONY. MODERATOR: MR. RICH? MR. RICH: WE NEED COMPREHENSIVE BACKGROUND CHECKS. UNDERSTAND WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT. MODERATOR: INCLUDING PRIVATE CELLS? — PRIVATE SALES? MR. RICH: I’M AFRAID SO. THERE ARE DIFFERENT WAYS TO DO IT. WHEN WE TRANSFER TITLES FOR AN AUTOMOBILE, WE GO THROUGH THE SAME PROCESS. A PROCESS FOR THAT. WE CAN DO IT WITH OUR WEAPONS AS WELL. SEN. HEINRICH: THIS IS NOT COMPLICATED. IF IT IS A DIRECT FAMILY MEMBER, IF IT IS YOUR SON, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO PASS DOWN A FAMILY HEIRLOOM. OTHERWISE, YOU GO TO A FEDERALLY LICENSED FIREARM DEALER. YOU DO THE BACKGROUND CHECK THERE AND THEN YOU CAN MAKE YOUR SALE. THIS IS NOT COMPLICATED. IT DOES NOT CREATE A NEW CLASS OF FELONS. THE ONLY REASON THIS HAS NOT HAPPENED YET IS BECAUSE THE NRA HAS BEEN SO DEAD SET AGAINST IT. THIS IS ANOTHER CASE OF WHERE WE CAN’T DO ANYTHING WITH REGARD TO COMMONSENSE CHANGES TO OUR GUN LAWS. MODERATOR: WITH THAT, WE WILL MOVE ON TO HEALTH CARE. AS PRESIDENT TRUMP AND REPUBLICANS IN CONGRESS LOOK TO DISMANTLE OBAMA CARE, THERE IS A DEBATE IN SENATE RACES ALL OVER THE COUNTRY, THAT WE ARE STRIPPING AWAY PROTECTIONS FOR PEOPLE WITH PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS TO BRING HEALTH CARE COSTS DOWN. PRESIDENT TRUMP INSISTS HE WOULD NEVER LET THIS HAPPEN. WHILE THIS WEEK FORMER PRESIDENT BARACK OBAMA MADE A CAMPAIGN APPEARANCE IN NEVADA, A ISSUE AS A RALLYING CRY FOR DEMOCRATS.>>I CAN TELL YOU THAT THEY HAVE NO WAY OF PROTECTING PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS WITH ANYTHING THEY PROPOSE. THEY ARE JUST SAYING IT. THEY ARE MAKING IT UP. MODERATOR: DO YOU BELIEVE ANY OVERHAUL OF THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT SHOULD INCLUDE STRONG PROTECTIONS FOR PEOPLE WITH PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS? MR. RICH: MY FAMILY, WHEN MY WIFE WAS PREGNANT WITH OUR YOUNGEST OTTER, WE LOST OUR HEALTH INSURANCE. WE ENDED UP WITH PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS. IT BECAME A COMPLICATED PREGNANCY. WE ALMOST LOOKED AT FINANCIAL RUIN. WE NEED TO ENSURE WE HAVE PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS COVERED. NEW MEXICO HAS THE HEALTH INSURANCE POOL THAT DOES COVER PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS. THAT EXISTS TODAY AND THAT NEEDS TO CONTINUE. RIGHT NOW, THE OBAMA CARE, MARTYN — MARTIN HEINRICH VOTED FOR OBAMA CARE, IT RAISED OUR RATES, WE LOST OUR DOCTORS. IT IS A MESS TODAY. WE NEED AFFORDABLE, ACCESSIBLE HEALTH CARE. MODERATOR: HOW DO YOU DO THAT? MR. RICH: WE NEED TO ALLOW INDIVIDUALS TO PURCHASE HEALTH PLANS THAT WORK FOR THEM, NOT FOR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT. ALLOW INDIVIDUALS TO BUY HEALTH COVERAGE ACROSS STATE LINES JUST LIKE WE DO FOR AUTO INSURANCE. THESE ARE THE THINGS WE CAN DO. MODERATOR: HOW DOES THAT BRING COST DOWN? MR. RICH: I TELL YOU WHAT, I GET TO BUY COVERAGE OF THAT WORKS FOR ME. RIGHT NOW, WE PAID I THINK $1000 FOR MY DAUGHTER’S HEALTH INSURANCE WHEN SHE IS GOING TO SCHOOL. SHE GOT SICK, AND IT WAS A $3000 OUT-OF-POCKET EXPENSE. IT IS NOT WORKING WHAT WE HAVE TODAY. WE NEED TO ALLOW PEOPLE TO BUY COVERAGE THAT WORKS FOR THEM. YOUNG PEOPLE DON’T — CAN HAVE A HIGH DETECTABLE AND HAVE, YOU KNOW, FOR CATASTROPHIC INJURY, CARE. SEN. HEINRICH: REPEAL AND REPLACE IS SIMPLY A SCAM. IT IS SOMETHING THAT THE REPUBLICAN PARTY SOLD AS A LINE IN A SPEECH. WHEN IT CAME TO ACTUALLY IMPLEMENTING IT, THEY COULD NOT AGREE ON WHAT REPLACED WHAT. THEY CERTAINLY DO NOT HAVE ANY LEGAL LANGUAGE TO PROTECT PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS. WHAT THEY VOTED ON, AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN, WAS SIMPLY REPLACE. STRAIGHT UP. EACH WOULD HAVE ELIMINATED PROTECTIONS FOR PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS. WE WOULD GO BACK TO THE DAYS OF NEW MEXICO WHERE YOU COULD BE DENIED INSURANCE SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU HAVE DIABETES OR A HEART CONDITION. IF YOU DID THIS ACROSS STATE BORDERS THING, ALL IT WOULD DO WAS CREATE JUNK PLANS WHERE THE STATES WITH THE LOWEST REQUIREMENTS WOULD HAVE PLANS THAT WERE EFFECTIVELY MEANINGLESS. MR. JOHNSON: YOUNG PEOPLE, DO YOU FEEL SCREWED AND NOW THAT YOU ARE HAVING TO PAY HEALTH INSURANCE? YOU ARE HEALTHY, FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE THAT ARE NOT HEALTHY. I HAVE ALWAYS SAID THAT WE COULD CARVE OUT THOSE WITH PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS. I THINK THAT COULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE DONE. WHAT IS REALLY NEEDED, AND THIS DOES NOT EXIST IN THE U.S. SENATE, WE NEED A FREE MARKET APPROACH TO HEALTH CARE. IN A FREE MARKET APPROACH TO HEALTH CARE, I REJECT TO THE INSURANCE MODEL. WE WOULD HAVE INSURANCE TO COVER OURSELVES FOR CATASTROPHIC INJURY AND ILLNESS. THAT WE WOULD PAY AS YOU GO IN A SYSTEM THAT WOULD BE AFFORDABLE. ON A CASH BASIS TO THE GOVERNMENT COULD HAVE HEALTH SAVINGS ACCOUNTS. WE WOULD HAVE GALLBLADDERS ARE AS IF WE HAD A FREE MARKET APPROACH TO HEALTH CARE. WE WOULD HAVE CLINICS THAT WOULD SPECIALIZE IT WITH THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS AS OPPOSED TO TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS. YOU CAN EXTRAPOLATE THAT TO X-RAYS ARE US. [TALKING OVER]>>WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT IS AFFORDABLE AND HEALTH CARE. MR. JOHNSON: THE ONLY PROBLEM WITH AFFORDABLE HEALTH CARE? IT IS NOT AFFORDABLE AND DOESN’T COVER ANYTHING.>>I WAS THERE IN THE AUDIENCE WITH MY DAUGHTER WHEN SENATOR HEINRICH, WHEN HE WAS A CONGRESSMAN SAID, TO ALL OF US, IF YOU LIKE YOUR DOCTOR, YOU CAN KEEP YOUR DOCTOR. YOUR RATES WILL GO DOWN. YOU WILL KEEP YOUR HEALTH PLAN. I AM ON MY SECOND HEALTH PLAN. MY RATES WENT UP. [TALKING OVER] MODERATOR: GENTLEMEN, IT IS DIFFICULT WHEN ALL THREE OF YOU ARE TALKING. SEN. HEINRICH: WHEN WE PASSED THE ACA, IT CHANGE THE SITUATION IN THE STATE WHERE PREVIOUSLY, PEOPLE WERE BEING DENIED FOR COVERAGE BECAUSE THEY HAD DIABETES. BECAUSE I HAD A HEART CONDITION. WE FIXED THAT. THAT IS IN LAW TODAY. IT WILL BE IN LAW UNLESS THIS PRESIDENT CAN CHANGE IT WE ALSO BROUGHT DOWN THE UNINSURED RATE DRAMATICALLY FROM ABOUT 18% TO ABOUT 9%. THERE IS STILL WORK TO DO. WE STABILIZED OUR RURAL HOSPITALS THROUGH MEDICAID. IF YOU REPEAL THE ACA, WHAT IT WILL DO IS IT WILL DESTROY THE PROGRESS. IT WILL, BY REPLACING MEDICAID EXPANSION, IT WILL PUT AT RISK RURAL HOSPITALS AND CLINICS ALL ACROSS THE NATION.>>WHERE NOT TALKING ABOUT ELIMINATING MEDICAID. WHEN YOU PASS THE ACA, YOU ENDED UP TAKING FUNDING THAT WAS SENT DIRECTLY TO OUR RURAL HOSPITALS, NOW THEY ARE STRUGGLING BECAUSE OF FUNDING THAT IS NOT THERE THAT WAS THERE BEFORE ACA. IT HAS BEEN A CHALLENGE. IT IS STILL A CHALLENGE. SINCE ACA HAS BEEN ENACTED, OUR RATES FOR OUR COMPANY AND ALL OF OUR STAFF HAS GONE UP YEAR AFTER YEAR. THE ONLY TIME IT HAS NOT BEEN OVER DOUBLE DIGITS IS WHEN DONALD TRUMP HAS BEEN IN OFFICE. MODERATOR: WITH THAT, WE WILL MOVE ONTO THE NEXT QUESTION. THE LAST TIME CONGRESS RAISED THE MINIMUM WAGE WHICH IS $7.25 WAS IN 2009. ACCORDING TO THE NATIONAL CONFERENCE OF STATE LEGISLATURES, THAT IS LOWER THAN 29 STATES INCLUDING NEW MEXICO, WHICH IS $7.50 AN HOUR. IS IT TIME TO RAISE THE MINIMUM WAGE FEDERALLY AGAIN? IF SO, TO WHAT? SEN. HEINRICH: ABSOLUTELY. IT IS LONG PAST TIME TO RAISE THE MINIMUM WAGE. I RAISE THE MINIMUM — THE MINIMUM WAGE AND ALBUQUERQUE TO $7.50 WHEN I WAS ON THE CITY COUNCIL WELL OVER 10 YEARS AGO. THE FACT THAT THE MINIMUM WAGE HAS NOT KEPT UP IS PURELY THE RESULT OF REPUBLICAN IN CONTROL OF THE CONGRESS. WE NEED TO RAISE THE MINIMUM WAGE. WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT ANYONE WHO WORKS FULL-TIME IN THIS COUNTRY SHOULD NOT HAVE TO LIVE IN POVERTY. MODERATOR: WHAT WOULD YOU RAISE IT TO? SEN. HEINRICH: $15 AN HOUR AND OVER TIME, TO MAKE SURE THAT PEOPLE COULD ADJUST AS WE WENT FORWARD. THEN WE SHOULD TIE IT TO THE COST OF LIVING SO IT IS PERMANENT. MR. JOHNSON: I THINK WE SHOULD RAISE IT TO $75 AN HOUR TO WHY STOP AT $15 WHEN WE COULD GO DIRECTLY TO $75? SEN. HEINRICH: BECAUSE NO ONE SHOULD HAVE TO WORK FULL TIME AND LIVE IN POVERTY. MR. JOHNSON: $75 AN HOUR. THAT’S NOT POVERTY. THAT IS PROSPERITY. LET’S RAISE IT TO $75. SEN. HEINRICH: IF WE WANT TO TAKE THE PEER LIBERTARIAN APPROACH, WE CAN DO [TALKING OVER] — MODERATOR: SHOULD WE FATE — RAISE THE MINIMUM WAGE?>>WHAT WE’RE LOOKING AT TODAY — THE ANSWER IS NO, WE SHOULD NOT TAKE — WE SHOULD NOT RAISE IT. THE ECONOMY IS BOOMING DOWN THERE. I WAS JUST DOWN THERE THE OTHER DAY. THEY ARE TELLING ME THAT THEY ARE PAYING 20 — $20 AN HOUR TO WORK AT MCDONALD’S. WHY? THE ECONOMY IS BOOMING. SENATOR HEINRICH’S POLICIES FOR ECONOMICS HAS CRUSHED OUR STATE. IT HAS BEEN BRUTAL. INSTEAD OF ENACTING POLICIES TO GROW THE ECONOMY, IF HE HAD HIS WAY, IT WOULD KILL THE OIL AND GAS INDUSTRY. HE HAS AN ACTIVE MEASURES THAT MADE IT DIFFICULT TO DO BUSINESS IN NEW MEXICO. THAT IS WHY IT IS IMPORTANT THAT WE NEED A HIGHER MINIMUM WAGE. SEN. HEINRICH: ONE, I OPENED FOREIGN MARKETS TO FOREIGN MARKETS. MR. JOHNSON: BUT IS NOT TRUE. YOU WROTE A LETTER TO THE EDITOR THAT SAID [TALKING OVER] MODERATOR: LET SENATOR HEINRICH RESPONSE. — RESPOND. SEN. HEINRICH: I WILL TELL YOU WHAT I WILL NOT DO. I DO NOT WORK FOR OIL AND GAS. I WORK WITH OIL AND GAS WHEN THEY POLLUTE OUR COMMUNITIES AND THINK THEY CAN LEAK METHOD — METHANE, I WILL STAND UP TO THEM. THAT IS WHAT I HAVE DONE. MODERATOR: WITHOUT, WE WILL MOVE ON. NINE STATES HAVE NOW LEGALIZED MARIJUANA. IT IS A SAFE BET MORE WILL BE DOING SO. BEFORE WE GET TO THE QUESTION OF LEGALIZING MARIJUANA, OR DECRIMINALIZING IT, A QUICK QUESTION, HAVE YOU EVER SMOKED POT? LET’S START WITH GOVERNOR JOHNSON. WE KNOW YOUR ANSWER. BUT DO YOU STILL SMOKE POT? MR. JOHNSON: I DO, OCCASIONALLY. YES. WE SHOULD LEGALIZE MARIJUANA. IN 1999 — MODERATOR: WE WILL GET TO THAT. MR. RICH, HAVE YOU EVER SMOKED POT? MR. RICH: WHEN I TALKED ABOUT, WE NEED TO LET OUR YOUNG — I GUESS WHEN I TALKED ABOUT SENATOR HEINRICH SHOULD APOLOGIZE TO STUDENTS, WHEN THEY GO THERE AND SAID, HAVE YOU DONE SOMETHING WRONG? BUT YOU SHOULD NOT BE ABLE TO HAVE A BRIGHT FUTURE. YES. SEN. HEINRICH: WHEN WERE THE LAST TIMES MARTIN SMOKED? MODERATOR: DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT? MR. RICH: IT WOULD BE HARD TO REMEMBER THE LAST TIME. MODERATOR: DO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT, MR. RICH?>>IS IT TOO LONG AGO OR WAS IT TOO OUT OF TOUCH?>>WHEN YOU BECOME AN ADULT AND HAVE KIDS COMMIT YOU TRY TO SET A DIFFERENT EXAMPLE. MODERATOR: OK, WE WILL TALK MORE ABOUT THIS ISSUE. AS WE MENTIONED, NINE STATES HAVE LEGALIZED THE RECREATIONAL USE OF MARIJUANA. MEDICAL MARIJUANA IS LEGAL IN 30 STATES. AND ALBUQUERQUE, POT HAS BEEN DECRIMINALIZED. IT IS A $25 FINE FOR POSSESSING UP TO ONE OUNCE. IT IS NOW LEGAL IN CANADA. SHOULD THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT DECRIMINALIZED OR LEGALIZE THE RECREATIONAL USE OF MARIJUANA? MR. RICH: NO. I AM AGAINST IT. SEN. HEINRICH: YES. IT SHOULD BE LEFT TO THE STATES. THERE ARE THREE ISSUES THAT I WOULD PRESS FOR THE U.S. SENATOR, ONE WOULD BE TO THE SCHEDULE MARIJUANA AS A CLASS ONE NARCOTIC, ALLOWING FOR RESEARCH AND DEVELOPMENT THAT CURRENTLY DOES NOT TAKE PLACE, AND ADDRESS THE BANKING ISSUES IN THE STATES WHERE IT IS LEGAL. ANOTHER ISSUE IS DRUG TESTING. CURRENTLY, DRUG TESTING DOES NOT TEST FOR EMPOWERMENT. IT SIMPLY TESTS FOR THE PRESENCE OF THC. THE GOVERNMENT NEEDS TO ESTABLISH IMPAIRMENT. THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ARE LOSING THEIR JOBS UNFAIRLY. AND THEN LASTLY, THERE ARE PROBABLY 10 MILLION PLUS AMERICANS WHO ARE NOW CONVICTED FELONS BECAUSE OF OUR MARIJUANA LAWS. ONE OF THE GREAT UNTOLD STORIES OF PROHIBITION REPEAL OF ALCOHOL WAS PARDONS ISSUED FOR PEOPLE CONVICTED OF THOSE CRIMES. FOR THAT GROUP OF PEOPLE WHO HAVE BEEN EXCLUDED FROM THE OPPORTUNITIES THAT THIS COUNTRY HAS BECAUSE OF THEIR CONVICTIONS ON MARIJUANA.>>THE REASON I AM AGAINST LEGALIZING RECREATIONAL MARIJUANA, LOOKING AT COLORADO, AFTER IT WAS LEGALIZED, THE SPIKE IN DRIVING UNDER THE INFLUENCE HAS GONE UP DRAMATICALLY. MY DAUGHTER WHO IS A MEDICINE TO DO HER EMERGENCY ROOM ROTATION IN DENVER, SHE SAW THE OVERDOSES WITH MARIJUANA. MR. JOHNSON: MARIJUANA OVERDOSES? WOW. NOT ONE DEATH DUE TO MARIJUANA. NOT ONE DOCUMENTED DEATH. MODERATOR: I AM GOING TO INTERRUPT. WE WILL LET MR. HEINRICH RESPOND. SEN. HEINRICH: I THINK THE GOVERNOR RAISES AN IMPORTANT ISSUE, WHICH IS CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM. IF SOMEONE’S ISSUE IS ADDICTION, THEY NEED TO GET TREATMENT, NOT INCARCERATION. IF SOMEONE’S ONLY CRIME IS POSSESSION OF CANNABIS, THEY DO NOT BELONG IN THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM. MODERATOR: WE WILL MOVE ON. EARLIER THIS YEAR, PRESIDENT TRUMP SIGNED INTO LAW THE BUDGET THAT INCREASES MILITARY SPENDING TO $716 BILLION. WHICH IS UP 15% FROM A COUPLE YEARS AGO. A GALLUP POLL SHOWS AMERICANS ARE SPLIT ON HOW MUCH THE U.S. SPENDS ON ITS MILITARY. DOES THE UNITED STATES SPEND TOO MUCH, TOO LITTLE, OR JUST ENOUGH ON ITS MILITARY? SEN. HEINRICH: I THINK THERE ARE ALWAYS PLACES THAT WE CAN CUT. A GREAT EXAMPLE FROM A COUPLE YEARS AGO WAS THE SECOND F-35 ENGINE WHICH WAS DUPLICATE OF AN INCREDIBLY WASTEFUL AND MONUMENTALLY EXPENSIVE. THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I HAVE WORKED WITH PEOPLE LIKE JOHN MCCAIN WHO LED THE CHARGE ON ACQUISITION REFORM TO SAVE US DOLLARS WITHIN OUR DEPARTMENT OF DEFENSE. THAT SAID, I’M VERY PROUD OF THE WORK I HAVE DONE TO SAFEGUARD OUR MISSIONS AND BASES HERE. I HAVE BROUGHT OVER $1 BILLION OF NEW INFRASTRUCTURE INTO THIS STATE, ALLOWING US TO ATTRACT NEW MISSIONS, AND I HAVE WORKED HARD TO GROW THE JOBS AT OUR STATE NATIONAL LEVEL. OVER 3000 NEW JOBS. [TALKING OVER] MODERATOR: MR. RICH? MR. RICH: MARTIN HEINRICH WAS IN — WAS IN WASHINGTON, D.C. WHEN WE LOST OUR F-22 SPIRIT HE WAS IN WASHINGTON WHEN THEY WERE TAKEN FROM THE NATIONAL GUARD. WE HAVE THE ONLY INTERNATIONAL JOB — GUARD WITHOUT AIRPLANES PICK HE WAS IN WASHINGTON WHEN LOS ALAMOS WAS LOOKING TO MOVE LEADERSHIP ROLES FOR THE NUCLEAR DETERRENCE FROM LOS ALTOS TO SAVANNAH RIVER. HE WAS THE ONE WHO CELEBRATED THE LOSS IN THE LAST DEBATE ON THE GERMAN AIR FORCE LEAVING HOLLOMAN AIR FORCE BASE. YOU MAY NOT BE AWARE OF IT, BUT WHEN THE GERMAN SAUSAGE FACTORY CLOSED AND ALBUQUERQUE, IT WAS A RESULT OF THE GERMAN AIR FORCE LEAVING. IT COST US JOBS HERE. SEN. HEINRICH: THAT IS NOT ACCURATE. MODERATOR: I AM GOING TO INTERRUPT. GOVERNOR JOHNSON? MR. JOHNSON: I THINK IT IS MISREPRESENTATIVE THAT ANYONE ELECTED TO THE U.S. SENATE IS NOT GOING TO BRING HOME THE BACON WHEN IT COMES TO THE MILITARY IN NEW MEXICO. WHEN I WAS GOVERNOR OF NEW MEXICO, THE BRACK COMMISSION, BASE REALIGNMENT AND CLOSURE COMMISSION SLATED NEW MEXICO TO LOSE MILITARY ASSETS. I OVERSAW BRAC, I SHOULD HAVE AS GOVERNOR, BUT WHAT CAME OUT OF THE PROCESS IS WE PICKED UP ASSETS FOR THE FOLLOWING REASONS. EQUIPMENT DOES NOT REST IN NEW MEXICO. WE HAVE THE GROUND TO CONDUCT ANY GROUND MANEUVERS THE MILITARY MIGHT WANT TO CONDUCT. WE HAVE THE MOST RESTRICTED AIRSPACE OF ANY OF THE LOWER 48 STATES. WE HAVE THE ONLY SUPERSONIC CORRIDOR IN THE LOWER 48. YES, WE NEED TO CUT THE MILITARY. WE NEED TO END OUR FOREIGN MILITARY INVOLVEMENT. CONGRESS NEEDS TO TAKE BACK THE AUTHORITY TO DECLARE WAR, WHICH THEY GIVE TO THE PRESIDENT AFTER 9/11. IT IS AN ABDICATION OF RESPONSIBILITY. STOP WITH THE MILITARY ENGAGEMENT. I HAD AN OPEN DOOR AFTER FOUR POLICIES OF GOVERNMENT OF NEW MEXICO, IF I’M ELECTED TO THE U.S. SENATE, I WILL HAVE AN OPEN DOOR POLICY IN NEW MEXICO AND I WILL HAVE AN OPEN DOOR AFTER 4:00 IN WASHINGTON, D.C. FOR WASTE — MODERATOR: STICK TO THE TOPIC HERE. SEN. HEINRICH: WHAT HE SAID IS NOT TRUE. I WAS NEITHER THE CONGRESSMAN OR THE SENATOR FOR HOLLOMAN AIR FORCE BASE WHEN THOSE LEFT. I WAS THE SENATOR FOR THE STATE OF NEW MEXICO WHEN WE BEDDED DOWN FOR SQUADRONS OF NEW F-16S TO THE — TWO THAT ARE PERMANENT CARE WE ALSO DOUBLED THE RPA MISSIONS. THE REMOTELY PILOTED AIRCRAFT MISSION AT HOLLOMAN AIR FORCE BASE. WE BROUGHT A NEW MISSION, THE MISSILE DEFENSE QUADRANT TWO WHITE SANDS MISSLE RANGE. I SAVED THE SMALL SATELLITE MISSION AT KIRKLAND AIR FORCE BASE. WE ARE GROWING THAT HAS NO. — AS WELL. [TALKING OVER] MODERATOR: GENTLEMEN. I WILL STOP YOU HERE. GENTLEMAN.>>HOLLOMAN IS SLATED TO BECOME THE LARGEST F-16 BASE IN THE WORLD. SEN. HEINRICH: NOT THANKS TO YOU. YOU DID NOT SAY A WORD WHEN WE WERE TRYING TO BRING THOSE. MR. RICH: YOU CAME OUT AND WROTE LETTERS TO THE EDITORS AND YOUR POST TO THE EXPANSION OF IT. [TALKING OVER] MODERATOR: GENTLEMEN, WE WILL START — STOP THERE. EVERYONE’S POINT HAS BEEN MADE. GENTLEMAN. WE WILL MOVE ONTO TO THE NEXT QUESTION. THIS HAS BEEN A PRETTY CIVIL CAMPAIGN, COMPARED TO WHAT WE HAVE SEEN WITH OTHER RACES AROUND THE STATE. LET ME ASK YOU, WOULD NEW MEXICO BE IN GOOD HANDS IF EITHER OF YOUR OPPONENTS WIN? SEN. HEINRICH: THERE ARE THINGS I RESPECT ENORMOUSLY ABOUT EACH OF MY OPPONENTS. FORMER GOVERNOR GARY JOHNSON IS AN AMAZING ATHLETE. THAT DOES NOT HAPPEN WITHOUT AN ENORMOUS EFFORT. MR. JOHNSON: THAT IS VERY KIND OF YOU. SEN. HEINRICH: NICK RICH IS A PATRIOT WHO BELIEVE STRONGLY IN THE HISTORY OF HIS COUNTRY AND IS A WORLD WERE — WORLD WAR II AFICIONADO. I THINK THERE ARE DEEP DIFFERENCES BETWEEN ALL THREE OF A SPIRIT CERTAINLY ON ISSUES OF PROTECTING MEDICARE AND SOCIAL SECURITY, THOSE DIVISIONS RUN DEEP. I THINK EITHER OF MY OPPONENTS WOULD MOVE IN A DIRECTION THAT MODERATOR: WOULD BE VERY PROBLEMATIC FOR OUR STATE. MODERATOR:THANK YOU. MR. JOHNSON: IF EITHER ONE OF THEM GET ELECTED, IT WILL BE STATUS QUO. NOTHING WILL CHANGE. THAT IS THE WAY IT IS. IF YOU ARE SATISFIED WITH IT THE WAY THINGS ARE, IN THIS COUNTRY NOW, ELECT EITHER ONE OF THEM. IF YOU ARE NOT SATISFIED, AS A LIBERTARIAN INDEPENDENT, ARGUABLY I MIGHT BE THE SWING VOTE IN THE U.S. SENATE, AND I WILL SAY THINGS THAT ARE NOT BEING SAID AND IT STARTS WITH UPHOLDING THE UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION. IT STARTS WITH BALANCING THE FEDERAL BUDGET. MODERATOR: MR. RICH? MR. RICH: IF I THOUGHT SENATOR HEINRICH WAS DOING A GREAT JOB, I WOULD NOT BE RUNNING FOR THE UNITED STATES SENATE. SINCE HE HAS BEEN IN WASHINGTON, WE HAVE LOST MISSIONS THAT HOLLOMAN AIR FORCE BASE AND OTHERS. OUR STATE HAS BEEN STRUGGLING. WE HAVE ONE OF THE HIGHEST AND EMPLOYMENT RATES IN THE NATION. ONE OF THE LOWEST MILLENNIALS PER CAPITA. WHILE SENATOR HEINRICH POSTED — FOCUS IS ON WILDERNESS, WE DON’T HAVE A WILDERNESS PROBLEM, WE HAVE A JOB PROBLEM. I’M GOING TO WASHINGTON, D.C. TO STAND UP FOR NEW MEXICO. MODERATOR: WE WILL ALSO GIVE YOU AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK ABOUT YOUR CAMPAIGN POINTS. WE ARE NEARING THE FINISH LINE. WE WOULD LIKE TO OFFER EACH OF YOU A MINUTE AND A HALF TO MAKE A FINAL CASE TO OUR VIEWERS BY FEAR TO EVERY COIN TOSS. MR. RICH WILL GO FIRST, THEN SENATOR HEINRICH, THEN MR. JOHNSON. MR. RICH: THANK YOU, VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE YOU LISTENING, THE VIEWERS IN THE LISTENING THIS EVENING. WHAT YOU HEARD IS THREE VERY DIFFERENT VISIONS FOR NEW MEXICO. MY VISION IS TO PUT NEW MEXICO FIRST. WITH GOOD PAYING JOBS, INSURING OUR BASES HAVE THE RIGHT MISSION, SUPPORTING OUR ENERGY INDUSTRY, AND MAKING SURE THAT THOSE TAX CUTS BECOME PERMANENT. WE NEED SAFE COMMUNITIES. WHAT WE HAVE NOW TODAY IS NOT. WE NEED TO ENSURE THAT WE SECURE THE BORDER, MAKE SURE THAT WE SECURE THE BORDER, I’M THE ONLY CANDIDATE WILLING TO SECURE THE BORDER. WE HAVE OPEN BORDERS THAT ARE BRINGING DRUGS INTO OUR COUNTRY. FEELING THE CRIME EPIDEMIC. LASTLY, I WILL FOCUS ON EDUCATION. THAT IS CRITICAL. WE NEED TO GET THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OUT OF THE CLASSROOM AND LET TEACHERS TEACH. WE NEED TO PROVIDE VOCATIONAL EDUCATIONAL TRAINING. MARTIN HEINRICH, HIS VISION IS WASHINGTON’S VISION FOR NEW MEXICO. HE HAS A BAND IN NEW MEXICO WHEN HE MOVED HIS FAMILY TO D.C. AND BECAME ANOTHER WASHINGTON POLITICIAN. HE IS — AS HE SAID TODAY, LOOKING AT RAISING OUR TAXES AGAIN. THIS IS AN INDIVIDUAL THAT IS NOT WORKING. I AM RUNNING TO BE YOUR U.S. SENATOR AND NOBODY ELSE’S. I APPRECIATE YOUR SUPPORT. A VOTE FOR GARY JOHNSON IS JUST LIKE VOTING FOR MARTIN HEINRICH. THANK YOU. SEN. HEINRICH: JESSICA, MY PRIORITIES ARE NEW MEXICO’S PRIORITIES. BUILDING AN ECONOMY THAT ACTUALLY WORKS FOR ALL OF US INSTEAD OF JUST A SELECT FEW. PROTECTING THE GAINS WE HAVE MADE IN OUR HEALTH CARE, KEEPING OUR PROMISE IS TO OUR VETERANS AND MAKING COLLEGE MORE AFFORDABLE FOR EVERY WORKING FAMILY. IN THE SENATE, I HAVE WORKED HARD TO MAKE NEW MEXICO A BETTER PLACE. I HAVE GROWN THOUSANDS OF NEW JOBS AT LOS ALAMOS NATIONAL LABORATORY, AND I HAVE WORKED HARD TO MAKE US A LEADER IN CLEAN ENERGY. ATTRACTING BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OF INVESTMENT IN OUR COMMUNITIES, ESPECIALLY OUR RURAL COMMUNITIES. I HAVE VOTED REPEATEDLY TO PROTECT OUR HEALTH CARE, ESPECIALLY OUR RURAL HOSPITALS AND CLINICS FROM DEVASTATING CUTS TO MEDICARE AND MEDICAID. I WILL ALWAYS, ALWAYS PROTECT SOCIAL SECURITY. THE LAST SIX YEARS HAVE BEEN AN ENORMOUS HONOR FOR ME TO BE ABLE TO REPRESENT THE PEOPLE OF THIS GREAT STATE IN THE UNITED STATES SENATE. IF MY PRIORITIES ARE YOUR PRIORITIES, I WOULD ASK FOR YOUR VOTE AGAIN THIS NOVEMBER 6. MR. JOHNSON: I CAN’T BELIEVE THIS WENT BY SO QUICKLY. THANK YOU. IF YOU ARE SATISFIED WITH WHAT IS HAPPENING IN WASHINGTON TODAY, THEN VOTE FOR EITHER OF MY OPPONENTS. IF I AM ELECTED, I AM NOT GOING TO BE ACCOUNTABLE TO THE DEMOCRAT PARTY, I WILL NOT BE ACCOUNTABLE TO THE REPUBLICAN PARTY. I WILL BE ACCOUNTABLE TO THE CITIZENS OF NEW MEXICO. I HOPE I AM NOT SPEAKING LIKE I DON’T KNOW ANYTHING, HAVING BEEN GOVERNOR OF NEW MEXICO FOR EIGHT YEARS. I THINK — I HOPE WHAT PEOPLE SAW WAS HONESTY, INTEGRITY, A TRANSPARENT DECISION-MAKING PROCESS, AND RESPECT FOR EVERYBODY IN THE PROCESS. IN THAT CONTEXT, WHEN I RAN FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, I WAS POINTED OUT AS HAVING CREATED MORE JOBS THAN ANY OTHER PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE RUNNING FOR OFFICE. MY RESPONSE TO THAT THEN WAS THE SAME AS IT WAS WHEN I WAS GOVERNOR. I DID NOT CREATE ONE SINGLE JOB IN NEW MEXICO OR THE PRIVATE SECTOR CREATES JOBS. YOU CAN CREATE AN EQUAL ENVIRONMENT FOR EVERYBODY TO THRIVE UNDER. CRONY CAPITALISM IS ALIVE AND WELL. WHEN IT COMES TO SPENDING, DOESN’T SEEM TO MATTER WHETHER YOU ARE A REPUBLICAN OR A DEMOCRAT, THEY ARE BOTH SPENDING LIKE DRUNKEN SAILORS. BACK TO YOUNG PEOPLE. THIS IS VERY SHORT-TERM THINKING THAT IS OCCURRING IN WASHINGTON RIGHT NOW. IT NEEDS TO BE LONG-TERM. WE NEED TO PROTECT THE FUTURE AND PROTECTING THE FUTURE IS MAKING SURE THAT EVERYBODY DOES HAVE AN EQUAL OPPORTUNITY AND THE FREEDOM THAT THIS SYSTEM — THAT THIS COUNTRY CAN AND SHOULD PROVIDE. MODERATOR: THANK YOU VERY MUCH EVERYONE FOR JOINING US.>>THANK YOU. GOOD JOB. MODERATOR: WE WILL END IT THERE. THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR WATCHING KRQE SENATE DEBATE. A THANK YOU TO OUR CANDIDATES FOR THEIR TIME AND THOUGHTS. ELECTION DAY IS TUESDAY, NOVEMBER SIX. BE

11 thoughts on “New Mexico Senate Debate Gary Johnson vs Mick Rich vs Martin Heinrich Oct 26, 2018

  1. Gary Johnson is the obvious choice. I'm amazed he's only polling at 16%, behind that airhead crackpot clown Rich and preprogrammed Democratic robot Heinrich. New Mexicans have got to do better…

  2. Johnson clearly did the best. He will win. Mainstream media is biased and doesn't want people to know that gary can win with their biased polling

  3. Johnson likely won't win; however a vote for the best option isn't a wasted vote. Not voting, voting for someone you don't know outside of the letter by their name, or voting for the lesser evil is a wasted vote.

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