I was in touch – when was it, 1968, yes, with Leszek on that issue of, when he was… [L] With Leszek Kołakowski? Yes. I wasn’t the first one in all of this. I was there when Mencel, who’d written that grovelling letter. [L] Mencel, Andrzej Mencel. When he came, I happened to be there, when Mencel came to Leszek and showed him his productivity from Pavilion 10, and I’m holding it, I said to Leszek, ‘What are you doing?’ Pawelek Beylin says that he wouldn’t buy this for four buttons, either. Because he and Leszek traded buttons, so what did they occupy themselves with, Leszek and Pawelek Beylin? They would talk on the telephone for an hour about how many buttons they’d give for a sheepskin coat. This would go on one, two hours, four buttons, six, this sort of button or that sort, and that’s how they filled their time. Leszek would learn the telephone directory off by heart and he was good at that. He knew a, b, c – especially when there were guests, that’s when he’d learn that directory, because otherwise perhaps he was writing his philosophical bits and pieces. So when I saw that Mencel, and Leszek… Leszek fell a bit ill, he came to me to hospital. I arrived with him, they robbed us in the train, no, not him – I only had a pair of pyjamas in my bag, I don’t know why I was taking a pair of pyjamas with me to Warsaw, but they got stolen. Tough. When I got back, the pyjamas were gone, the bag was gone – goodbye. He arrived at the hospital, that Aga Zuchowska who was the duty doctor why did she admit such a counter-revolutionary who’d been thrown out of the University, that minister Jablonski had signed something or other by him. Why? She said because this and that. And Herczynski arrived after two days and said, ‘Leszek has to face up to this, he has to be discharged from hospital, I’m taking him away.’ I said, ‘Get lost, you’re a revolutionary, you’re a communist so you can do what you like, but Leszek isn’t a communist any more but you’re still…’ I don’t know what happened, they went away.