Maa Ricardo Karam – Baria Alamuddin | مع ريكاردو كرم – بارعة علم الدين

Maa Ricardo Karam – Baria Alamuddin | مع ريكاردو كرم – بارعة علم الدين


Baria Alamuddin, a writer
and political analyst I go on television and comment
on the politics in Lebanon and the Arab world I teach in foreign universities I teach journalism and communication I love to visit Lebanon from
time to time and I watch Ricardo
and his conferences abroad I am a wife and mother
I have grandchildren, of course I love them very much “With Ricardo Karam” Baria Miknas Alamuddin, good evening I am happy to meet you in Beirut We are in the heart of the capital
close to both the sea and the mountains Here is where it all started How do you see the future? First, let me tell you this is
the most beautiful country in the world It is home to the kindest people
in the world May God light their way I see it as my life, heart, my future
as well as my family’s future but I hope that on my next visit
things will be different and better starting with the weather because
it’s a bit hot I am always happy to be among
my family and friends The Lebanese people are known
for their manners, kindness, and intelligence Where do you see Baria
in the coming years? Working as usual, writing
and telling the truth I will always be adopting
righteous cases I’ll always be around
my children and grandchildren I will hopefully be able to go
back to my country I also feel that Britain is my country
as well because it has given us much It has helped us a lot… You are a citizen of the world Sometimes you’re in the Gulf
At other times, you’re in Arab Maghreb We also see you in Europe
and America There are no boundaries
when it comes to you The whole world has become
your home at the end But your roots remain special
and unique When you come to Lebanon
do you visit Tripoli? Tripoli means to me because my maternal grandmother
is from Toratij, Koura She is also buried there My father is buried in Tripoli However, what I keep hearing
about Tripoli scares me because people tell me
that the situation hasn’t changed and that the country hasn’t advanced They also say that the deputies
aren’t doing enough I haven’t visited Lebanon in a while The country has demographically changed
Population has changed but Tripoli still has this familiarity
among neighbors You have become Baaklin’s daughter-in-law – Do you visit Baaklin?
– Yes, I do As a matter of fact
we have a wedding to attend there Our son Samer is getting married I love Baaklin very much
I love the mountains more than the sea I love all that is beautiful I love the sea and the mountains
because they’re beautiful I also like trekking I don’t do well with heat
humidity, and swimming – You’re typically British
– A little bit I have always preferred the mountains – Do you like Baaklin’s fruits?
– Very much I love the fruits all over Lebanon What about the fruits in Bekfaya
and Brummana? I like fruits in Bekaa and the south I love all of Lebanon Fakhreddine II, the founder
of the Lebanese army is from Baaklin The city rich with remarkable
and strong people Do you think that the water
has affected its citizens? Everything has an effect I think that it’s all a kind
of DNA The sun, wind… everything
has an impact but it’s the person who decides
what he wants to do You can live in the most
favorable conditions but you wouldn’t amount
to anything If you think about Lebanon
its nature, beauty, and climate you’d think it would be
an example to follow but unfortunately, the Lebanese
people are good role models but the country as a whole isn’t Your friend Feiruz said, “We love
it with its craziness” Is it right? Do we love Lebanon
however it is? Feiruz is like Baalbek
in my own opinion She is the heart of Lebanon
and she represents every Lebanese I extend to her the warmest
greetings, love, and respect – May God keep her in good health
– Of course Baria Alamuddin, it is said that
a name influences its bearer Jamile, for example, is beautiful
in many cases Zakiye becomes intelligent
even if she wasn’t before What about your name?
Do you always see that you excelled? Not at all I always see myself running
around to just get a taste of my name Not at all, on the contrary I think I need tremendous effort
to be somehow close to my name What about your name as an influence
in considering you as someone who excels? Abroad, nobody understands
what my name means – We don’t care about abroad
– But they do in Lebanon We care about what is
between us and ourselves That’s a great question, but I don’t
think I try to excel because of my name I try to be because my nature
always prompts me to do better and I always think I’ve got
a lot more to learn and do I hope that one day
I will live up to my name The beautiful and intelligent woman
is a force to be reckoned with My guest is intelligent and beautiful
so buckle up We’ll be back after the break “With Ricardo Karam” My interview with my guest the journalist and international expert
Baria Alamuddin is on Young men and women always
dream about a prosperous future What did Baria Miknas dream about? I have always cared about
patriotism, Arab nationalism and the world we’re living in You know that we’re living
in a troubled world be it economically or politically We’re living in a world where there are Trump
Putin and ultra Right As you know, I write my analyses
in my weekly column in addition to going on TV All these things encourage me to follow up
on conference on a daily manner These days, I’m annoyed with
people’s demeanor religious and intellectual fanaticism Following extreme nationalist
parties This is all annoying to me This is why I always try to catch up and do my best through my writings
and interviews to convince someone to tell the truth
to bring awareness to people I share people’s worries I want to eradicate poverty
and illnesses I want people to be close
to one another and treat each other with love I think we are indeed living
in this global village I think that the Lebanese people
have always been traveling and they feel they’re part
of this great universe I have many interests I always think that I’m going
to leave this world for my grandchildren and I hope their world
will be better than mine Especially in Lebanon That’s when it comes
to today but when you were a young girl
what did you dream about? How did you choose your lifelong career? I confess that I wanted
to be a journalist During the end-of-year ceremony
at Ahliah I wore the lawyer’s attire
and wanted to major in Law but all my friends went
to the American University of Beirut I didn’t want to go against
the current these days I went but didn’t major in Law I wanted to become a lawyer
to defend the truth I told you I had this obsession I’m thankful that my daughter
has become a lawyer without any interference
from my part She didn’t know it was
my obsession I found the picture the other day and I told them it was
the career I wanted to have Journalism, Law, the truth
as well as justice they all complement each other I think that the journalist
who really searches for the truth Whoever searches for real news
is like a lawyer because he’d be representing
a real point of view Justice is very important You received a degree in Journalism from
the American University of Beirut in 1971 You started out from Tele Liban What do you remember from
those days? They were so beautiful I started working before
I went to university I was working in Al Sayyad It was a coincidence When I first started out, I didn’t
get paid The Editor-in-Chief, Mr. Jean Obeid asked
me why I wasn’t getting paid I said I was told
to just sign my name He said, “What does that mean?” That was the beginning of
my journey in journalism Then I started working in television
because I was fluent in English I was the only one who conducted
interviews in English with Ministers of Foreign Affairs
and foreign Presidents That’s how I started Then I continued… The beginning… In the beginning, I used to write
about women, do a feature I used to write about university
life a lot Lebanon was beautiful We were living on Cloud nine
Nothing bothered us We were always happy That phase we’re talking about today
that we describe as the best time Maybe we didn’t know it… We wish we had lived in it
even if we didn’t know it My generation didn’t know
this phase When we mention it, we say
“We wish we had lived it” There was a kind of innocence
and naivety These two contradictory descriptions
bring a certain kind of beauty If I ask you about your past ambitions
and expectations… and also your colleagues
in the past what do you remember? My colleagues were very important
in my life because I learnt a lot from them I was young, and I remember
Mr. Talal Salman, for example He was a legend in Lebanese
Journalism There was Mr. Said Freiha
as well I used to look up to him As I told, Mr. Jean Obeid
was the Editor-in-Chief There was also the striver
Ghassan Kanafany I remember when I was in school
during graduation I had already started out writing… I was elected Miss Spring which
was more about good grades and whether the girl was popular
or not You had it all I wore the commando attire because
the Palestinian cause was ablaze – My concerns were different my friends’
– You had deep concerns – Yes
– They weren’t superficial The girls during that time maybe
cared more about fashion I like fashion and elegance as well
but that wasn’t my main concern We, the Lebanese women
have a reputation in the world which revolves about our elegance
and that’s something I’m proud of I’m proud that the Lebanese woman
always strives to maintain her elegance A woman is feminine It isn’t only something to be proud of
she should… – Reinforce it
– Of course In 1971, an incident happened
that everybody talked about It was on April 1st, when you
got married to Mr. Najib Hankash You were in your yearly twenties
and he was 50 years your senior At the time, everybody started
talking about it In the newspapers, they wrote
about that opportunist who needed… They criticized me saying
I married him for his money They said you were using him
to become famous There was a meeting with
Mr. Jean Khoury Mr. Adel Malek, Mr. Nicolas Abou Samah They said they wanted to execute
a good prank on April 1st They even put it on the news
so people believed it On the next day, the news
on the first page was “Baria Miknas weds from Najib…” As you said, they mentioned
the age difference Many people thought I married
him for his money, of course The next day, the newspapers said
it was April’s Fool But on the first day, they published
it like it was real We survived it, but he was
a great man, may his soul rest in peace He used to treat me like his daughter Lebanese people tell me they still
remember April’s Fool that day Baria, what coincidence made
you happy? You know, coincidences are sometimes
much better than plans Many things in one’s life… I can mention you one
like the one with Indira Gandhi When I tried to reach her
and I left no stones unturned for that President Salim Hoss was
Prime Minister at the time I asked him to write a letter
to Indira Gandhi Clovis Maksoud, the late Kamal Jumblat
who was her friend… My husband, Ramzi
had a conference in India and we were living in London I did everything I could because
I was so mesmerized with her I wrote a paper in university
about Jawaharlal Nehru When we arrived there they said I had an appointment
with the Minister of Foreign Affairs I told them I didn’t want
to see him What brought me to her
is on the last day when we were having dinner a dear friend of hers
called Mohammad Yunus was sitting near me He is dead now, but he was
a family friend It was New Year’s Eve in India
called the Valley Night He went to her and he told me she was going to electoral
meetings in Orissa state the next day He also said he would send me
with her on the plane and the famous actor Peter Ustinov
was the one who had the appointment but when he saw my enthusiasm
and passion I was more worthy of the appointment It worked out well My husband, Ramzi Alamuddin said
“How will I leave you alone in India?” I went, and it was the last
meeting for Indira Gandhi She died while I was on the plane I was famous because of her I arrived in the airport
and all the press was waiting I had the last recording, photo
of her which I took at midnight She passed away at nine
in the morning while I was on the plane During that short meeting
in addition to the scoop you had which we could call a good catch what was the gift you still treasure
from this meeting? When we were young, we used
to think that grandeur and luxury were, for example, represented
by the Queen of England Buckingham Palace
or the sort First, after I met Indira Gandhi I discovered that humility
and simplicity constitutes grandeur During my stay in England
I visited the Buckingham Palace and met the queen and her children
many times but to tell you the truth, humility
and simplicity are true luxury I learnt a lot from her, and she
treated me like her daughter I had long hair – Her daughter-in-law was Italian
– Sonia Sonia Gandhi… They called me Sonia thinking
I was her I felt she really paid attention
to minute details I was writing a book about
women in leadership I met Margaret Thatcher
in addition to many female leaders and I was friends with Benazir Bhutto I discovered how these people
didn’t have Indira Gandhi’s simplicity because to rule India, the country
with the largest population on earth and one of the most important
countries economically despite poverty was an important thing Baria, you didn’t plan on
getting married young but it happened You married Ramzi Alamuddin Did your marriage reinforce your ambition
or was it its grave? Of course I think that there is a woman
who leads the way for any great man The woman would be ahead
while the man is in the back That’s how I think about it My husband is very understanding
and he helped me a lot He came from a great family
the Alamuddin family The late Sheikh Bahij Takidin
was a great role model for me I can’t describe to you how much
I’d wait to go talk to him and listen to stories about
lawyers and politics In their house, I met the greatest
politicians When I moved from writing about
women to writing about politics this has helped me a lot But when you move abroad
to work in journalism things become a bit different Your relations and acquaintances
don’t matter anymore You’d have to rely on your skill You are an intruder to Druze You are Sunni, and we know Sunnis
frown upon mixed marriages There was no problem at all
from both families – Did they welcome you?
– They were the kindest I was lucky because I didn’t know
about sects like Sunnis and Shiites Later on, when changes struck Iran
we started hearing about them At first, I knew there were Muslims
and Christians from their holidays That’s what we knew When my mother passed away
I went to church for nine years and I attended Sunday School
because I was in a boarding school My maternal grandfather
was a man of law and he used to say that God’s word
is one, and it is true If you went to church, you’d be
learning the same values as any other religion Religion and faith are in the heart There is no religion that tells you
there should be hatred or discrimination between anyone These are new to us, and I hope
we’d get rid of them We are Lebanese, regardless
of our religion or sect It doesn’t matter Baria, your marriage to Ramzi Alamuddin
resulted in two daughters Tala and Amal They joined two sons from
a previous marriage of Ramzi Alamuddin’s They are Ziad and Samer Today, you’re in Beirut to attend
Samer’s wedding – You’re very happy…
– Samer and Dania Before we started recording
this interview you told me how much you were happy
that it was Samer’s wedding Now, I notice that you just
got tearful How did a young woman manage
to raise four kids and move forward in her career? It wasn’t easy at all, especially
that society considers the stepmother to be a horrible and unjust woman That’s a stereotype But I was far from that and this experience of having two
ready-made children was positive We were friends, and we loved
each other very much until this day My daughters also enriched their lives
with Samer and Ziad who are very successful men I love their wives, Rima
and Dania We are a big family
but we have a great bond We are like any other Lebanese family
scattered here and there Ziad is in New York, Samer spends
most of his time in Lebanon Tala is in Singapore, and Amal
is always traveling around the world When there is love and conviction
in the depth of a mission… When there are parents
who bring them all together Yes, but I didn’t do it alone
I had help around the house I was in boarding school and when I got married, I was
fresh out of that school But we pulled through Baria Alamuddin, you started out
writing poetry – That’s right
– Do you remember anything… – … Nothing at all
– From your first poems? I remember I took them
to Said Freiha He said, “You write fluent Arabic”
and he gave me a job I had some of them published
in Sayyad and I’m trying to ask for my archive Now, I realize how important
it is to keep one’s archive Many poems praised moles
and you have many moles on your face – They’re gone now
– Who praised them? Said Akl did that the most
because we were friends He introduced me to the Rahbani’s
and Feiruz We became friends, and I cherish
this friendship As you know, Lebanon was
the country of love and many people praised
my moles but Said Akl did it the most Baria Alamuddin, what do you say
when you stand before your mirror? “You need a lot of work!” “You need to work on your intellect
and you need a lot to succeed” When one looks in the mirror he doesn’t necessarily look
whether he’s handsome or ugly He also sees what he’s doing
where he’s heading, what he wants That’s what I see I don’t always see if my hair
is flying, for example Of course, I do, but I concentrate
on what I’m going to do next and what I want from myself – Do you like this mole?
– It’s still here I like myself
I don’t have any problem – Cindy Crawford…
– I like myself She has a clear mole
so did Marilyn Monroe Really? I never paid attention
That’s good They are among the prettiest
women in the world What matters is what’s
on the inside If someone is handsome
but he’s ugly inside it will definitely show
on his outer appearance You shuttled between written, heard
and read media What were you looking for? For truth, sincerity, and how
much I can help – Is there an ultimate truth?
– No, it’s difficult It’s scientifically difficult But I think that the concepts are clear You can’t contradict them – Lying and hypocrisy, for example
– Values Yes, the values that we’re
losing these days I have a big problem with Trump
and fake news We work hard to pay attention
to every minute details before printing In the world of politics, there are
different currents, doctrines, and parties There are also opposing ideas
for example Who determines the truth? Is what you’re defending considered
to be a real truth? Here, relativity plays a role
but I think I’m defending the truth Let me tell you why I don’t belong to any party
but I have some principles I am Lebanese… 100% I defend my Lebanese identity
100% No one can shake
my patriotism My loyalty is to my Lebanese heritage Then it’s my bigger environment I listen to Oum Koulthoum
and participate in protests For example, in Kuwait
a man divorced his wife and we, as Lebanese protested
for the rights Now the environment issue in the world… Would anyone object to the idea
about protecting the environment? There are known cases
and I don’t need to fight over them Talking about divorce, was this protest
you’re talking about with… – I’m saying…
– I know, I know – An example
– I know I mean that we belonged
to our surrounding as much as possible I’m still fully faithful
to my surrounding As I told you, I feel I am
an international person I don’t only live in Lebanon
and the Arab world I’m always traveling around I do feel I belong to the world
in general Baria, in 1982, during the Israeli
invasion of Lebanon Ramzi and you made the decision
to immigrate to the British capital I have a simple question What was the first thing you took
in your luggage? My children’s pictures
as well as my wedding photos They are irreplaceable
and I left everything else because we had to go on
an American frigate ship and the late President Sarkis
said we were the only Lebanese family to ever travel on board this ship without
an American passport or a Green Card We were supposed to go via Syria but Israel, the main enemy of Lebanon
and the Arab world bombarded the convoy that consisted
of 40 people and killed them On the next day, they took us
on board the American frigate What did living in London
change in you? A lot! First, to always be punctual
because we, the Lebanese… I used to think that it’s okay
to be late for about 15 minutes but now I always show up
about ten minutes prior I have learnt to always
arrive beforehand I had an appointment with
the British Minister of Foreign Affairs I was ten minutes late, and I apologized
saying it was raining As you know, it rains every day
in England He said, “Don’t worry, but the appointment
was 30-minute long” “and now it’s 20” I was never late ever since I learnt many other things
like discipline, organization you know, being a citizen
like everybody else In Lebanon, you always feel
you need to be affiliated with someone else However, in England, you can
be who you are, and that’s a good thing From Dar Al Sayyad, Tele Liban
to the Middle East, Al Hayat and then you were a guest in most
networks of the world like CNN, BBC, Sky News, CNBC
Abu Dhabi, Al Arabia, Al Jazeera and other channels Does Tele Liban have a special
spot in your heart? Everything in Lebanon has
a special spot I worked in the CNN during
the second Gulf war and I learnt a lot I learnt how they worked
and saw the difference When I worked in Tele Liban
it was just starting, and I was young I learnt a lot from my work
experience in CNN I would arrive very early
and I was on the set most of the day I learnt a lot of things Going international is a beautiful thing I thought I could get the voice
of my region to the world and that’s a very important thing
I think The influence left in people’s lives
is the most valuable thing in life She is a woman who influenced
and was influenced by others We’ll go on a second break
Stay tuned “With Ricardo Karam” We’re back to resume the interview
with my guest, Baria Miknas Alamuddin The Arab media is bought and sold
what about the Western media? Unfortunately, it’s difficult
to find neutral media as you were saying – Objective
– Right and neutral as well But it’s totally different
in the Arab world Everyone is affiliated with party so there is no credible source as to where
an Arab citizen can know the truth Unfortunately, we read the title in
the Arab world and forget about the content Most people don’t read newspapers anymore
They just watch television and they go about visiting each other I feel that the news are always
missing something You know what I mean?
Or it isn’t completely understood but there is no doubt that the Western media
is subject to different standards and it’s still much better Take Financial Times, The Economist
or New York Times newspapers for example Regardless of what President Trump has said
about them and the Washington Post they work at a high respectful level
especially investigative journalists It’s very important Unfortunately, in the Arab world
the journalist is a victim because he is controlled
and not free to express his own thoughts He follows the policy of the newspaper
he works for Or a certain party even It’s difficult for him to be neutral
in these investigative researches There are no specialties
in our Arab world He can’t write a report or article
objectively and neutrally as you said before We can’t always blame
the journalist I think journalism as a whole
is dying amidst all this turmoil It is being bought and sold but at often times, the journalist
as a person, is a victim Baria, you had good relations
with many leaders and politicians of the world This relation turned into friendship
in many cases Often times, you have been
a good secret keeper You were witness to many decisions
and discussions Would there come a day, you could
expose all those and even write about them
in a book? I don’t think so because there
are very few things I could write about I am trustworthy when someone
tells me not to publish something I would never publish it
not now and not in a hundred years But the book I’m thinking
about writing and dedicating to journalism especially Arab and Lebanese journalism is a book about how to arrive on time
especially during my time If you’re a reporter in CNN and you’re asking someone
for an appointment is something and if you’re a journalist in
any Lebanese newspaper, for example you won’t be able to reach
the same results, right? In my days, reaching… I mainly interviewed world leaders and achieving such interviews
was very exciting This is why I’d like to write
this book and dedicate it to journalists
in the Arab world especially in Lebanon I am also writing two other books
which will hopefully… I hope soon Among the most important
dialogues someone does in life especially for a journalist
is with himself Have you had a dialogue
with yourself one day? I’m scared, but I do
from time to time because I always criticize myself What is the hardest question
you have ever asked yourself? The hardest question? Maybe, how I can fix the situation
in the Arab world and especially Lebanon – That’s the hardest thing ever
– Have you found the answer? Not at all, I wish! But I do
my best On a personal level, I always
ask myself if I’m a good sister a good mother or wife You know, these relationships
are always subject to tests but I think I’m doing well The issues in the region are not easy
at all, and you discussed it Everything is vague The future is not clear When you analyze matters
what do you base your analysis? What are the dimensions
and elements you base your opinions on? Where are Baria Alamuddin’s sources? Many sources This is why my relations
are very important What bothers me a bit
about Lebanon and the Arab world is that before, we could
get to know everything happening when we read the newspaper Now, it seems to me the newspapers
only care about local useless news We don’t have an identity
in general I’m completely the opposite I start with the broad and then
narrow down My sources are politicians, writers
international intelligence I belong to many centers of studies
in the Western world I have friendships with high-end
Western intelligence I have also friendships with
army leaders My work dictates that I have
such relations for example, in England with
the Prime Minister the Ministry of Foreign Affairs
and the Ministry of Defense You were on good terms with Yasser Arafat
and his wife Suha with Barack Obama, Condoleezza Rice
Madeleine Albright, among others This kind of friendships necessitates
double the effort To what extent did these friendships
made you nervous many times and to what extent did they act as a bridge
and opened doors for you at other times? I interviewed Madeleine Albright
and Condoleezza Rice Barack Obama is an acquaintance
and not a friend but the journalist has a special
kind of antenna, as you surely know He can get the news in a different way Any friendship with such people
is good, even if it’s superficial I meet them mostly in conferences Lately, I was in a conference
in Bratislava and Madeleine Albright was there
so we talked about past issues I benefit from history in
the articles I write and in analyzing the situations We can learn from any kind of these people
you just mentioned We believe that Abu Ammar
is the one who put the Palestinian cause… – On the map
– Yes, on the world map His wife, Suha, is a friend
and she still is till this day She has helped me reach him and I was the only journalist
who interviewed him and I took pictures of what
he was taking back to Gaza All the press of the world was
in Tunisia including The New York Times
and The Washington Post Through Suha, I dined with Abu Ammar
every day for five days I was documenting everything
he was doing It was a pretty important thing But my friendship with Suha
goes beyond the benefits in journalism She is a great person, and Zahwa
is a very respectful lady She is now doing her Master’s degree
in Peace and Conflict Studies We extend our greetings to Suha
It’s been a while we haven’t met I hope we will meet again soon
and have an interview Baria Alamuddin, we listen
to your analysis with passion but tonight I’d like to ask you to summarize some major
issues in one sentence It is the summary of hundreds
of analyses What about the Bin Laden phenomenon? Sickening, and it’s a major problem It paved the way for ISIS
and other terrorist organizations I think it greatly affected the Islamic world just like the Popular Mobilization
in Iraq phenomenon in addition to the Houthi Movement
and Hezbollah and other parties Any kind of extremism presents
an obstacle for peace dialogue and towards reaching any
kind of medium solution Any kind of organizations
like the ones I mentioned is very annoying Annoying is an under-statement They create a schism among
civilizations and religions They lead to people
misunderstanding religion I don’t think that Islam has
anything to do with extremist movements Today, people expect a war
in the region Do you foresee an imminent war
in the Arab world? I’m scared of a mistake I don’t think that the war we’re talking about
will involve armies raiding countries unless if a war is waged
between our enemy, Israel and Lebanon and Hezbollah I feel that Hezbollah are aware
enough not to drag us to a war that will do harm to all the Lebanese
and not just some Hezbollah are Lebanese and the people who will be harmed
are Lebanese I only wish good for everyone I hope that Lebanon will reach a stage
where we would all be one party which is Lebanon I hope there won’t be any war
but we worry of some miscalculations The situation in the Gulf area
is not all that good – There is a tension in the region
– More of a game of tug’o’war The Iranian expansion is annoying
and it can’t go on as it is The region is controlled by Iran
Turkey, and Israel – Where are the Arabs in all this?
– I like your question I ask the same question
I don’t know I hope that the three summits in Mecca
lately had united people It annoys me the separation
we have in the Gulf between Qatar and the other Khalijis The separation between
Iran and the other Muslim countries One would think that Islam
should unite people As we know, separation through sects
is sickening and it shouldn’t take people apart The problem doesn’t lie in religion
It’s rather in politics as we said and the power centers in the world Nobody should aim at controlling
other countries nor take a piece Next year in 2020, the American election
will take place What about your friend, Mr. Trump? First, he isn’t my friend at all
He’s so far from it I don’t approve of his politics
I think they do the world great harm especially the United States
of America I studied in the American University
and I have family members in the USA My son Ziad lives in New York
as you know I hope the American people…
It’s their decision, of course I hope they would wake up
and not vote for someone like Trump who tears people apart
even among the American people themselves It’s hard to believe him
because he always contradicts himself I don’t approve of Trump’s politics Baria Alamuddin, you’re a talented
rebellious, capable, ambitious and perseverant woman We also hear that you’re a fighter
Is it true? If perseverance and rebelliousness
mean I’m a fighter then I’m the biggest fighter
there is That’s right, of course She is eloquent, and the words
she chooses have deeper connotations She trusts that talking about certain issues
is like medicine If you take a little amount of it
it will do you good One last break, and then we’re back “With Ricardo Karam” We have reached the last segment
of my interview with Baria Miknas Alamuddin Baria, as we mentioned before
you’re the mother of two girls Tala and Amal They look alike: dark hair
fit, and Arabic features They are also elegant
and fashionable How much do you resemble
concerning fashion? Do you ask for the opinion of Tala
in particular who ventured into the world of fashion
and launched her own collection? I think our genes have come
from my mother My mother’s friends tell me
that her neighbors would wait for her to get out of the house
to see what she was wearing That’s where our sense
of elegance has started But nobody has the time
to ask for the other’s opinion From time to time, if we were
all reunited, we might ask each other but each one dresses herself
and we don’t have time for that I wish we did You know, unless there was
something very important we would send each other pictures
if we had time but we all work, and Tala
has four kids Mia, Sari, Jad, and Lucas Amal has twins, Ella and Alexander Both my daughters work
and so do I We don’t have time for any of that Tonight, you mentioned
your mother more than once You lived with her for
a very short period Sure, but she influenced me a lot She drew you closer to your brother
who is our friend the guru in advertising
Akram Miknas I send him my warm greetings How do you define this strong
relationship you have with Akram? Akram has a very special
place in my heart and mind Even in the lives of our children
both boys and girls Akram is very generous He is the oldest
and I’m the youngest He was my brother, leader
father, and mother Akram is very kind and generous Before we got married, when we
were still in school and even now with our kids we have always felt he was
our rock Regardless of any problem we might face
we feel that it would be solved without anyone rubbing it
in the other’s face Akram has a very special
place in my heart God bless him A few days ago, he celebrated
his 75th birthday That’s right, but he doesn’t look
a day above 50 That’s right! I send you my warmest greetings and I hope we’d meet again
for an interview Baria, you choose your words
very well when it comes to your daughter
Amal Alamuddin Today, she has become famous
wherever she is in this world but I’d like to ask a few questions because many viewers would like
to get to know Clooney’s mother-in-law This title… I am Amal’s mother
before being Clooney’s mother-in-law This title has caused the Western
media talks much about you The paparazzi are always following you
even when you’re eating ice-cream or drinking your Starbucks coffee There are many pictures
of you on social media Even when you have your curlers on They keep following you
and taking your pictures Right? They say, “Look at the mother
and marry the daughter” This is a Lebanese proverb
Are you familiar with it? – Yes, of course
– What do you think about it? But George met Amal
before he met me He decided… But he loved Amal
more when he met you No, I don’t think it’s true
in our case No, I don’t think it’s true
I think he loved her – She is loveable, you know
– Of course, she is We are proud of her
because she’s a bright lawyer She defends people’s rights
wherever they are in the world We’d like to see more of
her in the Arab world We’d also like to see her more involved
in the Arab causes because we need voices like Amal’s
to reach international platforms Amal’s marriage to George…
what did it change in you? Nothing, but it did make me
happy because I saw she was happy It didn’t change anything There is no doubt that
it made me very happy – Superficially…
– There is no doubt that… Superficially? Many people would like
to befriend you – They didn’t know you before
– These people can’t reach me I can know who really wants
to be my friend I am very lucky to have
a number of friends I really love Our friendship dates back
to 20 years Ever since I was born These are my friendships I always call out these superficial
people and move away from them because I don’t have time
for that The most important problem
in my life is time If you know where we can
buy more time, let me know No, these people can’t reach me
I always stay away from them Besides, there are plenty of them
in all societies As I told you, we don’t have time
We all work As you can notice, there
is a certain influence in society If I tell you I’m busy
you can read my articles If you tell me that Amal is working
I tell you she’s defending a certain cause We don’t care about all that George is like us
He’s a normal person He works and is always busy
We don’t have time for trivialities – He’s Irish from Ireland
– Yes, he is We visited Ireland about
four weeks ago and we met his parents I remember that, I was there
with my family Yes I read it in the newspaper
that George Clooney was in Ireland That’s right It was the first time
he ever went there – Irish people…
– They’re like us – They have strong family bonds
– That’s right It’s sacred to them They like to maintain them
and they meet on different occasions When you get together
what does he call you? Baria, what else would
he call me? He doesn’t call you Baba
or Bebe? – No
– Okay But my grandchildren call me Bibi
because they have difficulty pronouncing it so they started calling me Bibi
and I like it He’s a son-in-law of a Lebanese family
Why didn’t he visit Lebanon? He feels he is because
when he meets Lebanese people they always call out to him He didn’t visit Lebanon because
of the situation and his work but I hope he will soon Are there security warnings? He isn’t planning on visiting soon – Has he tasted the Lebanese cuisine?
– Of course! He and the kids… you know
we’re family – Has he tried the raw Kebbe?
– No, I don’t think so Baria Alamuddin, have you influenced
your daughters one way or another? Of course What are the main traits
they inherited from you? It’s hard for me to say but when the kids are young, you think
they don’t listen to what you say and they don’t register
what you tell them But when you look around
you discover they do I heard my daughters say
I’m their role model I hope it’s true, but I can’t
pinpoint the traits Children absorb everything
that is said around them Yes And they choose at the end
what to remember and forget Each one has her own personality At the end of the day, you
Baria Alamuddin, are a political analyst You analyze major topics
What about family matters? Are they an enigma that is hard
for you to solve? I am busy loving my family
I don’t analyze their personality I am extremely proud
of the four of them because they and their children
learnt, studied, and worked They proved themselves in the world Tala goes and designs purses
in Bali She brought people from Italy
to teach Balinese people especially the poor All my children work
in public affairs Each one works in his own way
The boys as well It means a lot to me personally It’s hard for me if someone
doesn’t leave a positive trace in the world If each one of us tries
to do something the world will be a much
better place, I think Baria, what about your future dreams? All your episodes aren’t enough
to talk about my dreams I have millions of dreams As I told you, on a personal level
I pray for my family’s well-being I don’t want to talk about
the region, and what’s happening there I am in love with my grandchildren
and I always spend time with them As a working woman, I learnt
something very important and I’d like to share it
with all the ladies As I told you, I think that
the woman leader is the one who can change societies
at the end Even in our days My dream is to be able
to manage my time a bit more and spend more time with them I hope I can influence them
and deliver the truth to them I say it again, I am passionate
about the truth and justice – It’s an obsession
– It’s a real obsession I have many dreams, Ricardo
I can’t even begin to describe them Our interview is about to end
I’d like you to end it your way Justice, justice, justice I also wish for peace for everyone Baria Alamuddin, we have tried to have this
interview for a decade or two now That’s right We finally did it, and I was happy
we had this interview which was a heart to heart discussion Thank you, Ricardo
I am happy as well I’m sorry we waited for ten years
We should have done it before I hope we’ll do it again
in ten years You are the most welcome Dear viewers, the more we work
the better we live the bigger the meaning
is to our life and the more productive we are Godspeed, and may justice
and the truth accompany you – You’re welcome
– Thank you

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