Krishnamurti – Supreme Intelligence is to have no Illusions

Krishnamurti – Supreme Intelligence is to have no Illusions

Krishnamurti: What shall we talk about? Questioner: I think during the last talks
we have talked about the question of intelligence, a bit we have touched it, and how to bring
intelligence to our life so that somehow intelligence operates in our life. And I wonder if we could
pursue that. K: Right. Any other questions? Q: When and why will a human being genuinely
ask what is intelligence? Related to his question. K: Why do we ask… Q: And when. K: When do we ask what is intelligence. Q: Genuinely ask. K: Yes. Any other questions? Q: I wonder, what is the morning meeting for? K: Good lord! (Laughter) Any other? Q: Why do you give these talks? K: Why do you give talks. Q: Yes. (Laughter) K: Would you like me to shut up? (Laughter) Q: No. What is the purpose, if you have any
purpose for giving these talks? K: Why do I talk? I really – no, I mustn’t
go into… (Laughter) Is that all? Q: How do you know all the things that you
are speaking about? Q: How do you know when you are becoming intelligent? K: Yes – how do you know all that you are
talking about. Not from books, not from other people. The ancient books, or the modern books,
modern philosophy and so on. I’ll explain all this a little later as we go along. May
I? Any other questions? Q: How do you know when you start beginning
to get intelligence, start becoming intelligent? K: How do you know what intelligence is. Q: No, in yourself when you start to become
more intelligent. Q: How can you tell you are becoming intelligent. K: We will find out presently. We were driving
the other day, nearly two weeks ago, along the Pacific coast of California. It was a
lovely morning. It had rained, and generally in California it doesn’t rain that part of
the year, and it was a really lovely morning. There wasn’t a cloud in the sky. And the Pacific
was blue, light blue, so calm, like a great lake. It was not the same dark blue of the
Mediterranean but it was a light blue, and the sun was just touching it, making a great
light on the sea. And in front of our car – Mrs Zimbalist was driving – and it was a
good car, and on the bumper there was a sticker. The sticker said, ‘Question authority’. So
we are going to question authority this morning. (Laughter) And in questioning authority we
are going to find out for ourselves, in the understanding of the very complex problem
of authority, we’ll begin to see what is, for ourselves, what is intelligence. Why we
follow, why we accept, why we obey, whether authority and the acceptance of authority
leads to intelligence. We are going to talk it over together. Right? Right. Do you question authority? You know what that
word means? We won’t go into the root meaning of that word, the etymological meaning, but
authority. There are various kinds of authority. Right? The authority of the government, however
rotten that government is, the authority of totalitarian governments, the authority of
the policeman, the authority of a lawyer, the authority of a judge, the authority of
the pope, the authority of a priest. Right? All those are outside, outside the skin. But
inwardly, inside the skin, there is the authority of experience, of one’s own experience, one’s
own convictions. Right? Are you following all this? Authority of one’s own opinions,
authority of one’s own convictions – I am convinced I am a great man – that becomes
the authority. I am convinced I am a good poet, whereas I may be a rotten poet but I
am convinced. I am convinced about so many things. So experience, knowledge become one
of the sources of authority. Right? Are you following? Because we are examining a very
complex problem, the problem of authority. The authority of the parents, the authority
of tradition, the authority of the majority of the voters. Right? The authority of the
specialist, the authority of the scientist – there are several of them here – the authority
of the Bible and the Indian so-called sacred books, (inaudible)… and so on – the Koran;
you know what the Koran is, the Bible of the Islam, of Islamic world, the Mohammedan world
– they accept that completely, obey. So there are many, many forms of authority. Right? Now, what do you question, when you question
authority what are you questioning? The authority of rules, the authority of those educators
who tell you, inform you? Now, please discuss this with me, because in enquiring very carefully
step by step, I’m going deeper and deeper into this question, you will yourself begin
to awaken your own intelligence. You understand? Your own perception, your own how to look
at things intelligently, without authority. Is this clear? Have I made my statement clear?
You are clear? Q: Yes. K: Good! Are you quite sure? The authority
that exists outside of us – law, governments, the majority of people who vote for a prime
minister, the authority of the policeman, the authority of a lawyer, the authority of
a surgeon, the scientists who are building the nuclear bomb, the authority of the totalitarian
states and so on and on – outside. Inside of us, I say, ‘I know’, that becomes the authority.
Or I am convinced, I am quite sure my opinion is correct. I am quite sure my experience
tells me what to do. That becomes the authority. Or I practise a certain discipline and that
has become my authority. You understand? So, we are going to question all this. The outer
and the inner; the environment and the psychological realm. Clear? Now, let’s proceed. We are going to question, not say it is right
or wrong, but enquire, question, doubt, ask. Now let’s begin. The authority of the policeman.
Right? Do you question that? Q: Isn’t it necessary? K: But question it first. Don’t accept, don’t
say it is necessary. You see you have already accepted authority. Q: Yes. Yes, but there’s not very much that
we can do about it. K: No, you can’t do anything about it. Q: We don’t want that kind of authority. You
can’t… K: You don’t want that kind of authority?
Suppose I have been driving in France on the right side of the road, and I come here, I
am used to driving a car on the right side of the road in France, in Austria and so on,
and I come here and I keep to that side. Right? To the right side, and I’ll… there will
be accidents. Right? So I must… the policeman says, ‘Hey, get back, go over to the left’.
But if I insist on keeping to the right he will give me a ticket. So I accept the authority
of a policeman who tells me, ‘You are driving in the wrong lane, please kindly go to the
left’, because that is the custom, that is the law in this country. Right? Q: That’s quite sensible. K: That’s quite sensible – it is. Now, then
the authority of governments. This is much more complex. The authority of the government
says, you must become a soldier. In Europe you have to become a soldier for two years;
fortunately not for women. In Switzerland, in France, in all the European countries,
you have for two years you have to be a soldier. Do you accept that authority? Q: If you don’t, is there anything… K: No, just think it out, look at it carefully.
They say, ‘We have to protect our country’. Right? In case of war we are prepared to fight
the enemy. Have you ever heard of that phrase, a General says, ‘We have met the enemy, it
is us’. Have you heard of that phrase? Have you understood that phrase? We have met the
enemy, it’s us. We are the enemy to ourselves. Sorry! So find out. The government says – all
governments, the most inefficient government also says, ‘You must fight for the country’.
There is a tremendous authority. Right? What’s your response to that? Q: If I was in that situation, and I was,
say, a Swiss citizen, and I am asked to join the army, I wouldn’t do it. K: Then you would go to prison. Q: No, I’d go to another country. K: (Laughs) They won’t let you. Q: Well, there are ways. K: Oh, yes. But you can never go back to your
country again. Q: Yes. K: I know several people who have done this.
But they can never can back to their own country. Is that the answer? Question, question what
you are saying. Q: Perhaps to some degree it is. K: I said question, sir. Question what you
will do when governments says you must become – you are conscripted, drafted, as they use
the word in America – drafted – here the word is conscripted, and you are asked to join
the army. That is supreme authority. Do you question that? Q: By question, do you mean where authority
comes from? K: No. The government says you must. Q: OK, what exactly do you mean by question? K: I mean by question, we are questioning
authority – you understand? Q: It’s not clear, I don’t understand. K: I’ve explained, sir, haven’t I, haven’t
we? I told you the sticker in California, it said, ‘Question authority’. That means
do you accept authority. Where do you accept authority, where do you disregard authority?
Right? Now, the government says to you, as you are a young man, or going to be when you
are 18, 19, 20, says you must become a soldier for two years. And they give you other alternatives,
which are rather boring; or when there is a war all the people, grown up boys and young
men are conscripted. There is that authority of the government. Do you question that authority. Q: Yes, but what can you do about it? K: You are going to find out. We are going
to find out. But first question, is that what you will do when somebody, government, asks
you to become a soldier? This is a very complex problem this, I don’t know if you can go into
this. They say, ‘We must protect our country’. Right? Right? So you have to question, what
is our country? Q: It’s all that we know around us, our language… K: Which means what? Q: That which we are familiar with. K: Take for instance, England says to you,
the British government says to you, we are going to be attacked by somebody, and you
must train yourself, carry a gun and all the rest of it, and fight. Now what’s your response?
Poor chaps! Q: You probably wouldn’t want to. K: Probably you don’t want to. Then they either,
if you are in Russia, or in other countries, they shoot you. Or they say, if you don’t
want to, what is your reason? Q: You don’t want to kill another man. You
don’t want to kill another human being. K: So is that your conviction? Q: No, I think… K: Careful. I am asking a question. He says,
you don’t want to kill another human being – is that your conviction, is that your religion,
do your parents also… are religious that way? They ask all these questions, old boy,
I am not inventing them. Q: What’s the point of killing somebody else? K: What is the point of killing people? They
have done this for five thousand years, and more. The Greeks did it, the Egyptians did
it, the Sumerians and Babylonians and so on, so on, so on. Great empires were formed that
way, killing people. The British empire which lasted a hundred and fifty years, not like
the Persian Empire, or the Greek, or the Egyptian; the Egyptian civilization for three thousand
years, undisturbed. So, people have been killing each other for the last five thousand years
and more. So what’s your answer? Q: Perhaps you just become a soldier. Perhaps
you become a soldier, but not the attitude of you doing it for your country, and not
with… Because if you protest, the very fact that you are protesting, in a sense that becomes
your own belief, your fire. K: So you become a soldier and you are ready
to kill. Q: No. K: He said so. He said you might become a
soldier. That means you are prepared to kill for your country. Right? Wait, wait, wait,
go slowly. What’s your country, what do you mean, your country? We are questioning everything,
you understand? What do you mean, your country? Q: It’s the American way, this is the way
its done. Q: I mean you don’t go in it patriotically,
if you don’t perhaps you will be put in prison. K: I know. You don’t go in patriotically,
you don’t go in for your personal reasons, but you are going to kill people. Q: We tend not to, we don’t kill anybody,
just carry a gun. (Laughter) K: Then they kill you. All right. I know a
man who became a soldier, he was forced, and the officer said, ‘We are going to the front’,
and the soldier, this friend of mine said, ‘All right, but when I get to the front you
are the officer, I am going to shoot you first, because you have forced me to that position’.
And they said, this man is crazy, and they had psychologists and the psychiatrists who
examined, but he kept on repeating that, so they said, ‘Get back home’. (Laughter) But
don’t play tricks like that. So, you understand, we are questioning – you
are not questioning. I am sent, the Indian government – fortunately they can’t, I am
too old – they questioned me, as in England, and said you must become a soldier, and you
must protect your country. I questioned and said, ‘What is my country, what do you mean
my country?’ Right? Question it. Who says it’s my country? Q: Yes but they won’t listen to that. K: I am questioning myself, forget what the
government says. Q: What do you mean by your country? K: That’s what I am asking you. (Laughter) Q: The country that you were born in is supposed
to be your country. K: Where you are born. Q: Yes, that’s supposed to be your country. K: That is supposed to be your country. Why
do I say, it’s my country? Q: Because you’ve lived there and… K: Yes, and you say it’s your country. And
I say, it’s my country. Right? Why do we say this? Why do grown-up people say this, and
the young people say it, and it has been the tradition of thousands of years – it’s my
country, I am going to protect it; it’s your country, you are going to protect it; let’s
kill each other. Q: Because they want to possess it, and if
that possession is threatened by another country who feel possessive to their country, then
you obviously are going to try to fight to possess your country. K: I know. So you are willing to kill for
your… Q: No. Q: If that other country, Russia, if we had
a war and they took over our country… K: May I ask your name? Q: Tessa. K: Sasha? Q: Tessa. K: Ah, Tessa! (Laughter) You are not following
step by step into this. What is my country? Why have the world… the earth has been divided
into my country, your country – why? Q: It’s always that – my book, not your book. K: No. So go on, question all this, sir, don’t…
Why? Why have human beings for thousands of years said, this is my country, and that’s
your country. Q: Well, you have… Q: Because it feels… K: Why? Why? Q: OK. Well, you have dark skin, I have light
skin, you speak that language and I speak this language, and there’s a group of people
around me who speak the same language and a group of people around you speak your language
and look the same as you. That’s your country and I am in my country. K: Why have we done this? Q: Well, because you look different. And language. K: All right. No. Are we different? Q: No, it’s just they scare you… K: Answer him. I am black… Q: On the surface, yes. K: …you are pink or blue. (Laughter) I’m
sorry. I am black and you are pink, or white, or whatever it is. Now, for that reason we
fight each other? Q: Yes, and you believe in that… K: No, no, just… begin slowly, sir. Do you
kill me and I kill you because I am black and you are fairly near approaching white
– why? Q: Because… K: No, question, sir. Don’t answer, question
first. Q: I don’t think so because I think it’s my
book and it’s a very precious book, and my friend said, ‘It is my book’, and I kill him
for my book. K: Yes. So… Q: And I think that because he is black and
I am white. K: Quite right. So what do you say? Go on.
Why do we do that? Q: Because… K: Question it, I am questioning you; you
are not questioning it yourself. Q: Is it not a natural response to want to
possess something? K: Yes, that’s a natural response. Where does
it begin, when does it begin? Careful, question, question, don’t accept anything natural and
say, ‘It is natural’, and stick. Question why it is natural. Q: I don’t think a baby… K: That’s it, begin with the baby. (Laughter)
That’s quite right, begin with the small baby. You give him a toy and he holds it. Right?
And the other baby says… and he pulls it away. Right? Haven’t you seen this? So there
it begins. Mine and yours, and we build this up. Q: It makes you feel safe, you feel threatened
when other people want it, so you’re going to… K: That’s right. So I am saying we build this
up gradually as we grow older, this is mine and that is yours. And I am going to hold
to mine and you hold to yours. So what does it all mean? Question this. I say it is my
country, and you say it’s your country. Question why people say that. Q: Well perhaps through repetition and through
education, you see one has… K: Of course, through education, through history,
through propaganda, through everything you come to the point when you are so conditioned
you say, ‘It’s my country and your country’. Q: Because perhaps… K: Question. Question first. Q: Is it not a matter of security? K: Security. Now, you understand what Mr Smith
said: it is a matter of security. I feel secure with my family – right? – my father, my brother,
my sister, my aunts, I feel they will protect me, they are part of me – right? – the family.
Then increase it: the community – right? – move it still further: the nation. Right? I identify
myself first with the family, then with the community, with the society, then with the
nation – ‘I am British’. Right? That means I feel secure. Right? Right? We agree to that?
You are quite sure? I feel secure when I say I am British, and the Frenchman says, ‘I am
French’. He is completely secure: the language, the custom, the tradition, the intellectual
approach and so on and so on – French and English, and the German says the same thing.
Right? That is they all want security, all of them. Right? Agree? You are questioning:
they all want security. Q: And they are willing to kill for that. K: That’s it. So each person says this is
my security and your security, so we are going to fight. Which means what? Q: But then your life is threatened, so… K: Yes. So there is no security. Right? Look
at it carefully first. Q: Then your security has been completely
psychological security. K: That’s it. That’s it. Q: Nothing having to do with actually what’s
happening. K: That’s right. So, now, haven’t you leant
something, haven’t you become intelligent? Right? You see something. That is, I seek
security in the nation, you seek security in your nation, and we are going to fight
each other to be secure. And the governments exploit us, people exploit us for that reason.
So there is no security as long as there are nationalities. Q: What can we do about it? K: Darling, wait. Q: But we insist that there is security in
the nation. K: No, first see by questioning we have come
to this point that when we try to seek security in the family, in the community and so on,
in the nation, and you also seek in your own way, nation, and they quarrel when they fight
each other, kill each other, security is denied to both of us. Right? So in nationalities
there is no security. Q: But how do we actually see that? That there
is no security in… K: It is obvious. Q: Nothing can be done if everybody thinks
like that. K: The vast majority, 99.9 say ‘Yes, we must
kill each other to be secure’. Q: But that’s just… Q: OK. If it’s so… K: Not OK. (Laughter) Q: No. Could I just say something? You know,
if it is so obvious why don’t we actually change? I’ve talked to students and staff
after these talks, and they are just as confused as ever. If it really is obvious that there
is no security in my belief, my country and so on. K: Wait a minute, my country. It’s an illusion,
isn’t it? Q: You mean it’s not real. K: No. It doesn’t exist. I want security and
you want security and we say security lies in my nation, and you say security lies in
your nation, and we are killing each other. Right? The United Nations is like that. Right?
So, there is no security in nationalities. Right? Q: But we see that, but that doesn’t change,
it is the same after the talk, the same, it’s my country. I saw it is not a security but
it is always here. K: What? Q: He says it doesn’t change after you know
it’s your… K: You change. Don’t bother about the rest.
You become intelligent. We are talking about intelligence. When you see for yourself there
is no security in nationalities, that very perception is intelligence. Right? Q: But he is saying that he has only partially
seen it so when he goes out he is still going on with it. K: Then you haven’t seen it. Be as simple
as that. If you don’t see it, don’t say it’s partial. It’s like examining, a lot of blind
people looking at an elephant. Q: Why do we all say we do see it? K: Then don’t be a nationalist. That’s intelligence.
Right? Q: I don’t know what intelligence is. K: You explain it, somebody explain. Q: Well, somebody tell me what intelligence
is. Someone. Q: He has already told you last… Q: No. I’ve already heard what he says, now
I want to hear what someone in here says. Q: What, you mean the proper definition or… Q: No, intelligence, what is it for you? Q: For me? You mean – well I believe what
he says. (Laughter) Q: No, would someone care to explain… Q: I would say it is an action that is not
contradictory, somehow intelligence has to be whole, it cannot be fragmented, not that
you say something and then you do something completely opposite. Q: But do you actually live that way? Q: No. Q: So it’s just a bunch of words. Q: Yes. Q: But again, don’t make it so complicated
because Krishnaji is just taking one thing and he is talking about nationalism, and he
says if you drop nationalism you are beginning to be intelligent, that’s the beginning of
intelligence. Q: Yes, but we always talk about this intelligence,
we all want to live intelligently but we never do. You know, we leave this room… K: It’s up to you. Q: We do that. Q: Do we really? Do you? Q: Are you doing this? Q: No, I’m not. Q: From now on do that. Q: It’s clear that everyone here knows a bit
of what is going on, and is a bit intelligent, I think, and still you see the mess here in
the school. I mean it’s nice to be here, but still, exactly the same problems are here
as everywhere else in the world. Q: You can understand it but it’s hard to
actually do it. K: You understand, I have lived in India,
and I believe, I am convinced my security is in India, and you are convinced in Pakistan
next door, that your security lies in Pakistan, and we fight each other for our security.
Right? Kill each other. You have no security when you kill me, and I have no security when
I kill you. It is so obvious. Right? What are we… This is intelligence. Q: But still, you know, there is this block.
I don’t actually see it. Q: Ken, are you nationalistic? Or are you
talking about the subtler issues that we… Q: Perhaps, I don’t know. I can see it on
the surface, yes, to believe in nationalism, there is no security in it, but… K: All right, let’s leave nationalism. Q: But there is still something, I feel I
must feel something to actually see this. You know what I mean? K: Oh yes, I understand what you mean. People
feel very patriotic, don’t they? When this country is attacked, or went to war in the
Falklands, people were tremendously excited, very patriotic. And for that reason go and
kill somebody. Q: (Inaudible) K: Let’s take another thing, perhaps that
will explain it. Q: But if he can’t see that one, is he going
to see? If he can’t see that as intelligence, what can he see? (Laughter) K: She is insulting you! (Laughter) Q: I don’t mean to. K: She says, if you can’t see that what the
hell can you see! So let’s take something else. We are questioning authority. In Christianity
– I am not condemning Christianity, I am just examining it – in Christianity belief and
faith are essential. Right? Why have they made belief and faith so important? Q: Well, according to the Christian belief,
I’ll live eternally after I die. K: Yes, what does that mean – questioning.
What does that mean? Q: It is another kind of security. K: Yes. You see? Right? If I believe in Jesus,
if I believe in the Virgin Mary, if I believe, have complete faith, I feel safe. Right? And
the Indian, five thousand years, says, I believe not in Jesus, but I believe in my own god.
You come along and say what nonsense this is. It is just a belief. You can invent any
belief and find security in that. Right? So is there security in belief? Q: No. K: Right? Why do you say no? Q: Well, because if you… K: Why do you say no? Question why do you
say no. Q: Because if you believe that, and I believe
this, we meet – there is no security because we will blow each other into smithereens. K: It is the same thing with nationalities.
Right? That’s all. So, understand now, a vast majority of the Western world accept this,
belief and faith, in all their church and all that, they believe that very strongly.
Which means what? They create an illusion, an image, and believe in that. Which means
they are living in illusion. And illusion gives them strength. They feel safe in illusions.
Right? Now have I got illusions? Have you got illusions? Q: Perhaps… K: Wait, question it. Q: No, I’ve read that most of our thoughts
are controlled by the subconscious, that which we are unaware of. K: We will come to that, old boy, presently.
I am asking you, do you – I have asked that question, answer it – do you have beliefs
so strongly which give you comfort, feel, my god, at last I have found something that
gives me satisfaction. That means, are you living in illusions? Right? Have you got illusions? Q: Yes. K: Question why. Q: If you think I am a good student, and you
think I am a good student, but then you see another person who is a better student, or
who perhaps is a bit quicker than you, and you get jealous. K: Yes, go on. Q: And so you definitely – if you try to get
away from the jealousy by suppressing it, it doesn’t work. K: No. I am asking you, old boy – if I may
call you old boy – I am asking you, have you got any illusions. Q: Yes. K: Right? Question why you have. Q: Because… K: Question. Question. First realise, first
become aware that you have illusions. Right? I have illusions of my country, I have illusions
that I am a Christian, I worship and all the rest of it. That’s an illusion. And have you
any other kind of illusions? Q: We all have ideas or illusions of what
it is to be orderly. K: Go on. So are ideas illusions? Go on, sir,
question. Are ideals illusions? Q: Yes. Q: Yes, because they never deal with what
is happening right now. K: That’s right. Q: It’s always something you want to be, as
compared to something. K: So ideals, ideas – right? – and your beliefs
are illusions. Why do you have them? Q: Because you are insecure. K: Yes. So you have found security in illusions. Q: Everyone thinks. K: That’s what I am saying, everybody thinks,
but I am asking you. Q: He has something too and sometimes I think. K: Not sometimes, now. I am asking you now,
have you got illusions of such kind in which you are living… with which you are living?
Now, please understand why we are questioning. We are questioning all these things by understanding
them, realizing their nature and becoming intelligent. If a man lives in kind of false
illusions he is not intelligent. Right? So we are trying to find out what is supreme
intelligence. Supreme intelligence is to have no illusions. That’s only the beginning of
it. Right? Have you got illusions? Q: Well I have made an illusion of perhaps
intelligence, you know. I think that if I find out what intelligence is I will be completely
by myself. K: Oh no. I might join you. (Laughter) Q: You know, and that scares the hell out
of me. K: I might join you. All of us might join
you, and say, ‘By Jove what an intelligent man, let’s find out how he got this intelligent’.
So do you, all of us in this room, do you have illusions? Q: Aren’t your words illusions for us? Q: That depends on you. Q: Isn’t what you say illusion for us? K: If you accept it. (Laughs) But if you begin
to question your illusions, not my illusions. Q: You don’t talk about stopping your illusions
or suppressing them, just questioning them. K: Yes. If you suppress them they will pop
up again. (Laughter) Like Kleenex! Q: Sir… OK, go ahead. Q: If… No. (Laughter) K: Ladies first. Q: Isn’t it true also that many of our illusions
breed from our conditioning? K: Yes. Q: And what I wonder is that – OK, this is
just for myself only, that I’ve grown up with an exposure to what you have been saying since
I’ve been a baby. K: So, wait a minute, as you said, do not
all these illusions indicate our conditioning. Q: Yes. K: Now, question your conditioning now. Q: Well I think… K: First look at it carefully. What’s your
conditioning? Q: I haven’t had that religious or political
conditioning. K: No, you may not have religious or political
conditioning, but you are conditioned. Right? Question that. What do you mean by conditioning?
Are you conditioned? Q: Conditioned by my own experience even.
Maybe not even anything…… K: That’s right. Then you begin to question
your experience. Q: I am trying. (Laughs) It’s so difficult
to separate it. K: No. By questioning, not saying I am right,
I am wrong – right? – by enquiring, exploring, your mind which has become dull through conditioning
begins to quicken – not quicken, it becomes more alive. Now, will you all do this? You
are here at Brockwood not only to be academically excellent but also psychologically supremely
intelligent. Right? Q: That’s an illusion. (Laughter) K: What’s that? Q: It’s an illusion, because it can hurt… K: No, no, no. Just listen. Is it an illusion
that you have to be academically good? Q: If you work hard enough you can be academically
good. K: You can be excellent academically, can’t
you? By studying. Q: Yes, but… K: Wait, wait. Right? Studying, applying,
paying attention to your beastly little books. Q: Yes, but some of it’s interesting so what’s
bad about that? Some of it’s interesting. Some of the work that you do is interesting. K: Yes, you have to be, because if you are
excellent academically you may get a good job. Money. You have to earn money. Now psychologically,
can’t you be supremely excellent? Which means you live intelligently, therefore there is
never conflict and so on. I won’t go into all that. Q: So we have to think about everything we
do, I mean all our reactions. K: Yes. You have to watch what you think,
why you think, why you have such emotions, why you separate yourself from, and so on.
You become aware, you become sensitive, alive. Q: We try. Q: Yes, I think most people in this room have
actually tried it, but after a period of time we forget about it. K: Can you forget hunger? Q: No. But we become aware of… K: No, don’t go off. Can you forget danger? Q: No. But that’s all the result of the intelligence
of the body. K: Look at it old boy, just wait a minute.
Can you forget danger? Q: No. K: Sir, why? Why don’t you forget it? Question
it. I am questioning you, and you’re answering. Q: I don’t want to die. If you are pointing
a gun at me… K: Please, you know what danger is. Q: Yes. K: Do you forget it? Q: No. K: Why not? Q: I think you do. Q: OK, physical danger I don’t forget. K: You won’t. Is not nationalism danger? Q: Yes. K: So you say, ‘I am not a nationalist, I
don’t belong to any country’. That’s a danger. Why do you forget it? You can’t. Q: But I do. I do. K: You do? Q: (Inaudible) This is all very difficult. K: No, no. You see you are not questioning,
you are saying something without – I am asking you to question everything you do, think,
ask. Q: Well perhaps that is not possible with
the modern condition. K: That’s an excuse. You can question it. Q: Sir, it seems the past year I have been
really questioning everything I think. And sometimes I feel I am just going in circles,
just going within my… K: Of course. But you are not questioning
thinking. Q: Well, I am questioning that right now.
(Laughs) I am questioning that it seems within our intellect we try to become more aware
of our thoughts, and it’s like our thoughts are aware of our thoughts and it’s like… K: Yes, quite right. But, you don’t… Look,
I begin to question nationalism. Right? Then I come to the point I question my thinking
– thinking itself. Q: So it’s like the intellect is only an instrument,
and it’s like it becomes sharper and sharper, to a certain point it just becomes – there’s
nothing more you can do with it. K: It becomes sharper and sharper, therefore
at the end of it, it becomes dull. Q: It’s… K: Have you understood what I said? The more
you sharpen an instrument it gradually wears off and becomes dull. Right? A chisel, keep
on polishing, polishing and using it, it becomes dull. So question why your mind is becoming
dull by merely going round and round. Q: Because it is all thought, it’s just… K: No, you are not questioning it. I get depressed
– suppose I do, I don’t, I have no depression, I never have been depressed – suppose I am
depressed. I say, ‘Yes, I am very depressed’. I accept it. I don’t say, ‘Now, why am I depressed?’
Is it I am thinking about myself? Is it I can’t get what I want? Is it somebody is better
than me? Somebody is more beautiful than me? Somebody is more rich, and so on, so on – is
that the reason why I am depressed? Right? If I am, then I say, ‘Why am I doing this?’
You follow? Move. Right, sir? Are you doing it? Q: Sir, I think there must be a result or
a decision from this very questioning. So shall we go on questioning… (inaudible) K: I don’t quite understand. Q: He says the questioning brings about a
result. Should we question the result as well? K: Of course. Q: But then when we react… K: You stop questioning only when there is
nothing more to question. (Laughter) That’s not a clever statement, but see what happens.
Tat when you begin to question seriously, step by step, then there is a point where
there is only that state of mind that has no problems at all. I won’t go into all this.
But you don’t start! You want to reach the end at the beginning. Q: Sir, do you say then that if you are depressed,
question it, or just be aware of it? If you are depressed are you saying we should question
it, or just be aware of it? K: Yes, I am depressed, I’ll show it to you.
I want to know why I am depressed. I don’t say, ‘Yes, I am depressed’. I say, ‘Why am
I depressed?’ Is it I have eaten wrongly? I have not slept properly? Or I am depressed
because I can’t get what I want, or I can’t – I am not as good as you, or I am not as
clever as you. Right? Which means I am always comparing. Why do I compare? Is it possible
not to compare? See, I am questioning all this. Can I live without comparison? Q: If we ask continually why, can’t that process
just reinforce that whole ego thing that we are trying to question? K: Of course. That’s why I am saying it must
be done with intelligence. So you begin with the most ordinary things. Q: And that intelligence we don’t have. We
try to get intelligence and we have to use our intelligence to get the intelligence. Q: Yes, exactly. (Laughs) That’s the problem…
Q: It’s like, what intelligence are you talking about? I mean the description of intelligence
we understand is that intelligence is not limited by thought or experience. K: Yes. Q: So how can I use the intelligence I have
right now that is limited by thought and experience? I mean it seems so… K: No. Have you got intelligence now? Q: I think I do sometimes, yes. K: Not sometimes. Q: I can’t say that I do. K: You see, you make… Now why don’t you
question that? Have you got intelligence now? Q: I don’t think I do, no. No. K: No. So begin. Q: Not the intelligence that I want to have. K: So begin. Are you nationalistic, are you
seeking safety in your little family, seeking security in your ideas? Sir, I am doing all
the questioning, you’re not. Q: What if you seek security in some things
but not in others? K: Yes. So what do you seek security in? In your looks? In your family?
In some god? In some illusion? You see, I am doing… (laughs) Sir, what I am pointing
out very simply is most of us are so conditioned – right? – that we become very dull. We repeat
what somebody has said, or we read a great deal and be very knowledgeable, but you may
be stupid. So I say, find out for yourself what is intelligence. And you can find out
that by asking, questioning, doubting. You can’t doubt everything: there is electricity,
that light is there, you can’t doubt it. Right? The tree, you can’t doubt it, it is there.
Right? The governments are there, the policeman is there, all the churches, all the things
in the churches are there. So you begin to question. Q: Your anxiety is there. K: Yes, or the scientists. Q: He said, your anxiety. K: Anxiety. All right. Question anxiety. Why
are you anxious? The majority of people are anxious. Right? Because they have no money,
or they are anxious their husband may be looking at somebody else. Right? Anxiety. Are you
anxious, any of you? You are anxious? Q: Sometimes, yes. K: Why? Q: Because of different things. K: Tell me one. Q: No. Q: Isn’t it that the desperateness for security
is very forceful, that the atmosphere of questioning is not there, that’s why… K: Tunki, I can’t hear you. Q: What he says is that the desperate search
for security prevents actual questioning. K: Yes, sir. Q: So how can questioning… K: Now just a minute, Tunki, when I am very
anxious I can’t question. Right? But then I begin… there must be – I am not anxious
all the time. There is anxiety when I wake up, and as I take my coffee or tea, whatever
it is, that anxiety recedes a little bit, then I begin to question. Q: In this questioning of why, would it not
be important to question without trying to find an answer. It seems that if we try to
find an answer we just give ourselves excuses for what we are. K: Of course. When you question and find an
answer, question that answer. (Laughs) You follow, sir? Learn the art. It’s not just
that you begin to question everything; learn the art of questioning. You stop questioning
sometimes and say, ‘Yes, by Jove, why am I questioning?’ Look without questioning. You
follow? Learn about it. Q: Do people become discouraged with their
questioning because they don’t get something from it? K: Yes, sir. They get discouraged, disappointed,
hurt. Q: Because they want something that will give
them security. K: Yes. Or, I have been secure and you’re
taking it away from me – I become anxious. What I am… Sir – just two minutes, just
listen. Will you? I saw that ticket, that sticker on that bumper
in California, and I said, I wonder if the gentleman, or the person who put that sticker
on the bumper really questions, or it’s just a slogan. You understand what I am saying?
It is just a slogan, but he never questions, says, ‘Why am I doing this? Why am I thinking
this? Why do I believe?’ So, questioning is a great art. Right? It isn’t that I question,
I move, I see the subtleties of it. Right? See the depth of it. And the beauty of enquiry,
see bit by bit how extraordinarily complex this thing is. Why man has lived in illusions
for thousands of years, if it is not Christian gods then there is Muslim gods. Right? If
it isn’t that, there have been gods by the thousand for the last five thousand years
and more. Some like the Buddhists deny god, but there is always this search, longing for
something beyond all this misery. Right? All this conflict, all this ugliness in the world.
So they invent something and they worship it. You understand? Q: Like enlightenment. K: Yes, quite right. Enlightenment is not
something you experience or something that somebody gives you. That’s all such nonsense.
So, as I was saying, sir, find out the art of questioning. Learn a great deal about it.
You spend a great deal of time, don’t you, in mathematics, learning mathematics. Right?
Or geography, history, whatever it is, and you don’t give even ten minutes to this. And
so you become excellent in one direction and dull in the other direction. What time is it? Q: One o’clock. K: I think we had better stop, don’t you.
No? (Laughs) Would you like to try something? Q: Yes. K: Sit very quietly – just a minute, just
a minute – before you sit. Sit very quietly, absolutely quiet, with your eyes closed and
find out what you are thinking. And why you are thinking that particular thought, or a
series of thoughts. Try it. (Pause) And find out if your brain can be so quiet, without
a single thought. (Pause) Don’t go to sleep though. Shall we get up?

23 thoughts on “Krishnamurti – Supreme Intelligence is to have no Illusions

  1. I've watched hundreds of Ks vids and read quite a few books for quite a while and then just put them down because I was just in that mindset and really couldn't get anything more from it. Then I've been into Buddhism and Complete Reality Taoism in a way adjusted to my life to structure things a bit (I also studied Kabbalah for about 20 yrs prior to finding Ks teachings so there's always a little of that I recall in situations). Philosophy I've always been interested in and one day I found Hegel and absorbed into that and found myself familiarizing with many other philosophers. It's all good stuff (especially Hegel) but I'm so glad to have influence from K. I don't take anything for real until I put it through my mind and chew on it for a long time and in the truth I find that just becomes me. I always love coming back and watching a K vid to relax and unwind.

  2. Supreme Intelligence and unconditional compassion shone through this fragile physical form. With his 2 wings, K led us to the highest of this expanse of human horizon. Thanks for posting.

  3. I am always amused… Krishna leads me to nothing! (feel many miss what in-form-made-shown) is being projected by ,,,yourself…! A Path to gain anything is only through self…!

  4. This is a revelation; intelligence is to have no illusions.. security in nations, safety in physical strength, wealth and all that comes with materials is just illusions; give away that which is false and be happy for life !!

  5. K Teachings, thank you for the upload.  I hardly ever see videos with K smiling, laughing, and interacting with the audience the way he does in this one.

  6. Thanks, Krishnaji, the most Enlightened! I understand the Supremely Aware Intelligent Energy is present and flowing all the time. There is NO COGNITION of Space and Time! Sometimes we are aware of this Energy flowing, mostly not. If the mind comes to stillness by ITSELF, this state can be experienced!
    Thanks for Reading.

  7. Thank you for sharing these talks. There is a real dialogue on this sbject and humor is present. I still listen K after nearly forty years reading listening! Precious help for education and opening mind

  8. It's odd we've gone through life hearing phrases like we only use 10% of our brains capacity and we just accept it as the biological norm. I mean if that is the case, there must be something totally strange and questionable about it, it must mean either this situation has been deliberated engineered by certain agents or the evolution of the brain is an ongoing process. Somehow I believe it's the former, I believe our education and controlled reality has been engineered to serve the thought system of living as once we begin to awaken the full capacity of our brains they know all that comes to an abrupt end.

  9. calling all peaceful honourable men and women existing naturally within communities in the commonwealth regions the message i send to all men and women is it is time to unite and install common law.  lets unite to end corrupt elitist governmental systems.  legislation is not law.  law is not malleable or changeable.  legislation is.  the time to unite is now.  subscribe to youtube channel called  rob ess.

  10. Seems to me there is something in the human mind that perceives a detachment from the observed world and when the conscious mind becomes aware of this it creates a reality in the vacuum to bridge this imaginary space. In physical evolution the brain sees and learns but once it perceives a reality, a conscious void develops between that physical perception and the detachment which generates thought that goes to work trying to fill in the details. Because thought has only learnt about a limited area of what it perceives but sees itself apart from the reality its' viewing it thinks that's the end of the perception so fear comes in when the conscious mind realizes there's more to the totality of what it perceives that is beyond its' scope to comprehend and therefore control so constructs a reality to substitute for the area of perception of reality beyond its' functional capabilities.

  11. Thank you for sharing.Lively Krishnamurti leades the conversation about intelligence. Worth watching repeatedly.

  12. What an EXTRAORDINARY -TEACHER he was ! Great mission , he has accomplished on EARTH ! Now he' s COSMIC , he can be still with all of us at the same time ! Thank You Yo HIM !

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