I guess I’m a Marxist too!

I guess I’m a Marxist too!

show yes poverty in the United States and racism
and segregation the result I love President Obama been a marxist I don’t think I’m misrepresenting my guests position I’m I may be um I’m at the Garrick back to dig a little
deeper into this and trying to figure out what because I i still am a bit confused but Carl in Milford Massachusetts a car you have some thoughts on this are you
yes I do I’m so I’m a longtime marxist the I’m in my
seventies out a stereo marxism I’m your heart yeah okay campaign and I don’t recognize anything that the that very gentlemen said about remarks yeah a marx’s marxism is study Karl Marx want yes and he had no and analysis a capitalist society that is been pretty
good yeah I think his critique of capitalism
that you can read and ice cap it all was accurate actually wanna most
accurate analysis if above families free market
capitalism it’s ever been done I disagree with some of the solutions
but I think that his analysis was spot on well that’s what I’m very curious about
the the criticism are silly had the
solutions and I have yet to find him predicting or care prescribing any time to the social a organization I don’t see I don’t believe that anyone and her
current active countries calling themselves communists
a marxist I don’t take care yeah their heavy trash it I’m heavy I’m
assuming you have to have read the cob the Communist Manifesto by Marx and
Engels yes I hear I mean this is relatively
fast rate is only thirty forty pages and it’s a clear political call to
action I mean it reads like like a a you know above a barnstorming
fist pumpin speech oh absolutely and that’s what it was but
it certainly didn’t prescribe any kind over a social relations after the there might
be a dinner pollution it was pretty explicitly calling on on the the proletariat to rise up rise
up yes down yet but that let’s just that’s
just too the get them in involved and in the
political process which is not really what he wanted anyway I meet he was
pretty much a the prevents that that the crew members of our society
wasn’t going to allow a communist takeover Shiro okay soaking
wet what but beyond that he didn’t describe
how we would had actually live in society and and almost like that he certainly had
nothing to say about using a in certain underdogs as as a vehicle you know i mean we all wish that the in
the sixties that the war had been a vanguard for some kind of change and that black people in that 6 you know
whatever suppress oppressed group areas we hope that they
would be a band are just some kind of change but it has nothing to do with a a a clear-cut social plan for how we’re going to
organize everybody I mean that’s absolutely absurd yeah okay I you know your die a as a marxist
iight I defer to your judgment I’ve you know
I’ve by red marks 30 years ago and I’ve and I i I have a vague familiarity with marx’s radio sorry I cannot cited
chapter and verse I’m guessing you can what well no I can’t speak with these
very difficult read but yeah that’s why I’m commentary become very
are now a on social relations as far as a have how it some ideal society might
have been in the past for example they were very rigid near Chorley Indians but
he had a golden bird about them here’s a from a society as an example
are primitive communism but it certainly wasn’t a
distraction I wish they’d like Uruguay Marx wrote about the iroquois OS well angles didn’t have marks probably
read about it okay about when did in where did angles right about the
iroquois I’d love to read that a I will I wish they give you the exact work very well as in a believe in in one
about he it talks about early economic hymns he talks about the for you know I’m sorry I can’t care
yachts are that’s right that’s right you know I’m so beat the
heat like this an example so not really don’t want not that Carl
as as a marxist what would your prescription be for our
society I a low actually five if I can preface
this by by just laying out mine I think that the great society was just
half done I think that if we were to really really
genuinely strengthen our school system and provide free education all the way
up to a PhD or MD to everybody regardless of poverty and
regardless of race make sure that everybody gets a good
education if we were to provide a basic social safety net so that even people in poverty can live
at the bottom of the middle class as it were I and not have to be in continual stress
and panic about whether they’re going to make it through the next day if I or the next week if we can provide
a good health care system for everybody so people don’t are afraid that if they get sick they’re
gonna lose everything they have now I’m if we could provide an
opportunity to participate in some form of love I love economic intercourse whether it’s I you know
owning a small business or whether it’s creating a cooperative or joining a
cooperative I that guy starting something like that
all of those things are going to take a lot of moaning a lot
effort and if we did that collectively as a society through our government I think it was it was specifically
targeting people who love poverty and that’s
mostly why people in places like for West Virginia and people of color in
those places where poverty equals collar then I think we might be able to come
out of this stuff and I think that that’s what lyndon johnson started doing
I’m do you think I’m right and I as a oh
absolutely remarks I agree there if progress it’s one step at a time I
we’re not gonna have a utopia ever probably but we certainly can work towards a
better society and as a march if I know that we do you have the power to do that and
that the our relationships to our a productive system in this country is a fascist state yeah I was the
capitalist do control the congress they do control
local governments a great degree right which is literally the definition
fascist not talking about a democracy here we’re talking about fashion staff I agree with you call many Carl I got we
got a getting a break here but I thank you for the call I me I guess I’ll marx’s to p surface
but the thank you for the call thank you for the
information I’m telling you we have the smartest listeners on early I am so proud to hang out with
you all

46 thoughts on “I guess I’m a Marxist too!

  1. “I'm not a Marxist. But any political theorist who doesn't read Marx is illiterate.” -Chris Hedges

  2. The thing with marxism is that it is unimplementable. Whenever it is implemented in some form or derivative, "true" marxists claim it was not "real marxism."
    Marxism is one in a long list of "no true scotsman" political movements. And one that only calls for the overthrow of any previously standing political and social order, but not how a new order should be implemented and governed.
    One can study it and learn from it, but to support it and wanting it implemented is madness.

  3. No, Thom, you are a shill for the neoliberal Dem party – about as far from a Marxist as is possible to go.

  4. As a sociologist who has read Capital (every volume) and studied the history of Soviet-style communism, I can tell just from what you wrote that you are clueless about it. Anti Marxism is one in a long list of "guilt by association" political movements. Incidentally, the type of political system used in by the Soviets used is often called "state capitalism". The communist manifesto never advocated dictatorships, or any other concentration of power, unlike capitalism, which stresses such things.

  5. So the USA has become like Italy Pre-WW2, the new Fascism is corporate legislation by groups like ALEC and the GOP. The Free Trade Empire will dominate the world, the richest of the rich will get richer still. If history has taught us anything, it is that everything is cyclic and errors forgotten may be errors repeated, and the price for freedom is eternal vigilance. Let us not forget the evil deeds, men of greed conceive of; as slavery and murder have been know to pay the rich people well.N4get

  6. Not so much "guilt by association" as it is "guilt by ancestry."
    Marxism -> Marxism-Leninism -> Maoism and Stalinism -> satellite strands

    Even if we ignore the implemented communist systems, the inherent problems with marxism as-is are its monolithic nature; the expectation that all people within the movement/class are naturally totally egalitarian; and that one can replace thousands of years of human cultural development with a single revolutionary movement or event.

  7. The only thing that is equal in this world is death. Everyone goes through it and they go through it once each. Neither race, creed, age, wealth nor title can change that.

  8. Say Thom, I am a big fan but I have to tell you that your channel is the very worse for these annoying pop up live commercials that drop in an the beginning of almost every one of your videos. Whoever is paying you for this is wasting their money because I NEVER watch these adds, I always back out. If they converted to the “Must watch” the way the CBS channel is I would simply un-subscribe. Do yourself and your fans a favor and drop this form of advertizing. It just pisses people off.

  9. We'll be spending over $1 trillion a year in interest on the national debt by 2020.
    Divided among 150 million working adults in the US, that is $6,666 dollars per year.
    More than my rent.
    And you people want more freebies.

  10. {when almost all of the nation's wealth is held by a few ultra-powerful corporations}
    Thats not true, about 65% of the stock market is owned by govt.

    {Why don't we ask them to pay for it?}
    Because if you take the 250,000 who earn more than 1 million a year and divide the cost of the interest we pay on the debt among them, they would pay $4 million a year in taxes.
    Its not workable. Ask not for whom the tax bell tolls, it tolls for thee.

  11. The Cold War led to decades of propaganda that has completely brainwashed this country.

    Most people have no clue what "Marxism" is. You might as well associate capitalism to slavery or Saddam Hussein.

    We will never make progress in this country until people realize they have let their fear of "socialism", "communism", etc. push them straight into fascism…

  12. I agree with your first two points, but not with your third. After visiting some Central American countries (in the 90's) where there is no middle class. The rich lived in walled compounds with private security guards and enough money to pay off govt officials. In case of "revolution", they simply moved and left nothing behind.

    We need to take away their ability to buy the govt by civil and economic means. Remember that the civil rights movement started with a boycott of a public bus service.

  13. True for the Russian Revolution of 1917. However, in the past 20 years, a very large number of wealthy Russians just moved their money to Swiss and Cypriot banks and moved to England. The same thing can happen in the U.S.

    Revolution is not what the rich fear. They have options, we don't.

  14. its kind of funny how most normal americans have no idea what the real definitions for marxists, communists and socialists are… and what differs them…

    everything is painted as comunist which usually means baby eating totalitarians…

    that might have been partly true for regular comunists.. but its defently not true about socialists for example..

    hell take sweden… we arnet religious but not because its not allowed..
    actually christianity is the state religion

  15. but religion and higher education dont get along well…
    and frankly i think that why things are so shitty in the US

    educated people dont tend to bother with religion..
    saldy we are a bit to comfortable for our own good i think…. i dont think enught of use are really concerend enught what out poleticians are doing…

    we got our own version of prism which we have known about pretty long actually.. called FRA… and people just arent outraged enught about it…

  16. Why don't you ASK for my sources before you start criticizing them?
    My source on the Trillion dollar figure is the co-chair of the presidents bipartisan deficit-reduction commission.
    The rest is just simple math.
    Do you want sources on the ownership of the stock market by the govt, or do you want to continue stomp your feet, plug your ears and call people names.

  17. Fourth…. You have to educate people on the fact that money is nothing more than a social contract.

    It only has value because we collectively give it value. It is not something given or taken from you it is merely a tool and system for managing our resources.

    It is completely foolish that we've allowed this "tool" to be horded and used as the primary instrument of ultimate control, power, and authority in our society.

  18. Why don't people understand this — that every discussion of economics nowadays involving Marxism or Communism is invalid as the terms are not used correctly.

    I'm not an economic expert, but I am a game designer and I can clearly see the danger of games with positive feedback loops (accumulation of capital->ownership of media/government->colluding & fixing prices->making labor fight labor and automation->inevitable class divide) but how do I explain this when people think "commie=marx=baaad"?

  19. This drives me mad. It's like we're either using "capitalism" to refer to different things (confusing it for "free trade" or "no regulation" instead of "private ownership over the means of production") or people just can't view the economy as a game broken by strong positive feedback loops guaranteed to exploit those who don't start with a head start. It's about the most important roadblock preventing our species from advancing but I can't even get people to understand!! 🙁

  20. I just tweeted something like this!

    Seeing at least a few people who "get it" is giving me a little joy.

    My view is that money is supposed to measure contribution to society to keep people honest. I know it's near impossible to objectively decide "who deserves what", but we can use common sense heuristics. However people mistake the map (money) for the territory (honest work). Imagine if no one would barter or trade with the richest person in town — what worth is their money then? 🙁

  21. Can you show anything in Marx Das Capital that is remotely equal to what has been practiced in the old Soviet Union?
    Guilt by association means that every self proclaimed Capitalist is siding with Wall Street, and the old East India Company and the royalists who supported this.
    Can you show how concentration of power and wealth in the hands of the few which is Capitalism differs from the Soviet style state capitalism?

  22. Cont.1 In short terms, the Boston Teaparty was AGAINST the style of Capitalism that RWers support.
    Studying USA style Capitalism is truly a study in gluteny, greed and the madness you mention.

  23. I guess his silence was speaking loud and clear on this one.
    Ignorance is bliss. Dog whistles makes dogs bark. And key words makes Pavlovs dogs on the RW bark like mad.

  24. There were 72 American tax filers earning more than $50 million in 2009.
    If we take basically all their money, and apply it to the debt interest ALONE (and no other taxes), that is 3.6 billion.
    Which leaves $996 billion to divide amongst the remaining 250k million or more earners, so you didnt get anywhere. Its still $4m each.
    I suggest that if the INTEREST on your debt spending is this high, the problem is spending, not taxation.
    You need to brush up on your math if you cannot see this.

  25. How much of this additional taxation burden do you estimate will drift down upon the lower classes. How many corporations and individuals do you think will pack their bags and go overseas.
    This is not a plantation you know, decisions have ramifications. What do you think the ramifications of your policies will be?

  26. 0.1%, 152k ppl, earn avg of $5600k, taxed at 80% is $681B. ATI:$1120k
    0.5%, 610k ppl, earn avg of $878k, taxed at 70% is $375B. ATI:$263.4k
    1%, 762k ppl, earn avg of $443k, taxed at 60% is $203B. ATI:$177.2k
    5%, 6000k ppl, earn avg of $211k, taxed at 50% is $633B. ATI:$105.5k
    10%, 7600k ppl, earn avg of $127k, taxed at 40% is $386B. ATI:$76.2k
    90%, 137000k ppl, earn avg of $31k, taxed at 30% is $1,274B. ATI:$21.7k
    For a total of 3,552 billion

  27. 0.1%, 152k ppl, earn avg of $5600k, taxed at 80% is $681B. ATI:$1120k
    0.5%, 610k ppl, earn avg of $878k, taxed at 70% is $375B. ATI:$263.4k
    1%, 762k ppl, earn avg of $443k, taxed at 60% is $203B. ATI:$177.2k
    5%, 6000k ppl, earn avg of $211k, taxed at 50% is $633B. ATI:$105.5k
    10%, 7600k ppl, earn avg of $127k, taxed at 40% is $386B. ATI:$76.2k
    90%, 137000k ppl, earn avg of $31k, taxed at 30% is $1,274B. ATI:$21.7k
    For a total of 3,552 billion

  28. How about we tax paper and typewriters too.
    A tax on Corporations is just a fudged tax on individuals. A very regressive one. Corporations cannot be taxed themselves because they are fictions, and fictions do not toil.
    Human beings toil.
    So not only is it regressive, it hurts growth, which hurts jobs, which hurts people who need jobs.
    If you cannot understand from the numbers I have shown you that the whole thing is beyond the point of being solvable, I dont know what to tell you.

  29. Engel's discussion of the Iroquois is in his "Origin of the Family, State and Private Property" i live right in the middle of what once was the Iroquois Confederation & we learned all about their commie ways in grade school… maybe that's where i got it from.

  30. Who said I was for US-style laissez-faire capitalism? Capitalism is a far broader concept than just that.
    Capitalism without state monitoring is like a game of football without a referee.
    When massive sums of money are involved, the honor system has no meaning. Which is why regulations are paramount to ensure that the inherently social darwinist system does not turn against the people living within the state.

  31. Capitalism is nothing but economy based on debt and currency converting. Capitalism in it's gruelest form we have seen in practice with Reaganomics. Capitalism has shown it's true nature the last 40 years. Capitalism that was once tried to be imposed on Americas that lead to the anti-Capitalist royalism against the English throne and their cronies in East India Company.
    Learn to differ between mercantilism & gambling Wall Street style.

  32. Indeed I am no expert on economics, but I can apply common sense.
    Seems we are both against what is currently reigning in America: unbridled corporate power arising from unrestricted free market. Capitalism turns immeasurably sour when it is allowed no restrictions or it is given power over the state.
    Capitalism must be controlled, but not quashed. The State must monitor it, but not ban it.
    I am for mixed economies. Extremes never help anyone. Not reagonomics and certainly not marxism.

  33. The countries closest to the dogmas of Marx can be found in Scandinavia. Full free speech there. Soviet Russia was never Marxist. It was a dictatorship after Stalin high jacked power even after Lenin warned against him.
    Money mongering, banking is the problem for a truly free market. Specially when we see how wealth are being redistributed from the working man to the pockets of the non working stock holders & CEOs. Keep money out of politics & keep Wall Street to the fire for starters.

  34. You're going to educate ME on scandinavia? I live in Finland! (technically not part of scandinavia, but most ignore that)
    USSR was a dictatorship even under Lenin, though most of that time was civil war. He organized the secret police and he espoused state oppression.
    On the last part we are in full agreement.

  35. I know something about Scandinavia. I was born and raised there. And nothing regarding Lenin is remotely similar to the Scandinavian system.

    Now, I have lived and worked in 5 cuntries around Europe the last 9 years. So I know something about other countries as well and how their systems works.

    Since when did Marx promote dictatorship, people's right to freely assemble, associate and free speech?

  36. Of course nothing in scandinavia is remotely similar to Lenin. His taint was repulsed.

    The very wording in Marx's work "dictatorship of the proletariat" means that all power should be in the hands of a single class, and Lenin's addition of the concept of a vanguard party further concentrated power. Thus the dictatorship of a political elite.
    Right to assemble and associate are useful for the marxists when they need it, but they are instantly curtailed to prevent counterrevolution.

  37. A counter-revolution would always follow with localized revolutions. The only way communism could seize hold if the revolution is global, using and replacing the framework made by previous systems.
    And reasons for counter-revolution can be myriad. Especially if the revolution was violent to begin with (and with communist powers this was universal).
    And it is utter arrogance on part of marxists to think that all workers would with one mind and soul support a marxist movement wholeheartedly.

  38. Have you read anything by Marx except for the meaningless talking points from pundits who have NEVER opened Marx in their entire life? The goal was to eliminate the class system, where all are equal, having equal rights, and get what they need. Capitalist system means that someone must have the right to get more than what they need at the expence of their slave wage earners, and the owners can gamble on Wall Street.
    Lenin did the oposite of Marx' dogmas. And is by no means Socialist.

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