FULL MSNBC Saturday Night Politics with Donny Deutsch 7/27/19 Trump Breaking News July 27, 2019

FULL MSNBC Saturday Night Politics with Donny Deutsch 7/27/19 Trump Breaking News July 27, 2019



Democrats start looking forward not backward and fight back hard it's that simple Democrats have been looking back over the past two and a half years at the mullet Pro enough the more whining no more complaining no more analysis there are two takeaways from mullet OU's moving forward the president broke the law and can be indicted and put in jail after these office and our election process is vulnerable to foreign or any interference now it's time to move on and fight anyway needed anyway that's needed to win that's what we're doing tonight looking forward not back giving the damage some fighting tools and strategies to do whatever it takes but the one early task at hand remove an evil and a wall for president from the White House and put him in jail lots to cover this aside politics thanks for joining us okay I've said this before but I really mean it this time we have the best panel that we've ever had you will understand when I introduce the four Titans before you first off your read Jerry as you know the host of am joy on MSNBC what a privilege to have you here thank you so much for having me smartest person I miss NBC not that it's a very high bar but speaking of the lower bar my good friend my partner one of the best guys around and the dumbest guy that is always the host on this show the drunkest guys my main man John Heilemann obviously star executives in the circus most important political analysts at NBC NBC News and thank you for being you're probably my last great friend to be here I mean Barnacles been here Nicole's been here and finally you're here yeah Willie's been here you bet you begged I bet you pleaded I pleaded but I'm here I'm finally happy to be here thrilled to be here this is it highlight of my week I agree with that now you're a hack former White House senior director former State Department senior advisor nice to meet you I'm big fan of yours on Bill Maher into being here and also a good friend Jeremy Peters a New York Times reporter MSNBC contributor one of the saying voices on ok let's get right to the wall Muller's over message the Democrats I'm sorry to break the news it's time to move on ok joy I want to start with you and you can punch holes in this area two parts to this story yeah we can't keep just staring at ourselves we can't keep talking about impeachment that's not gonna happen or shouldn't have that doesn't mean we don't fight I think we have to fight harder than ever and my good friend Joe Scarborough who's wrong all the time has no fashion sense was so right on yesterday when he start to talk or two days ago it's war we got to stop fighting the nice guy stuff so two-part question number one do you agree with the thesis that it's time to take from the mall report but just move away from each me it's not the winning formula and it's time to fight differently by a hundred percent disagree with you I knew you I was gonna go to the stick of fam Heil me you know well here's the reality yes I think most of what you said I agree with it Donald Trump clearly committed obstruction of justice he can't be indicted for it because he's president the only thing protecting him from being prosecuted is the job he has now so he will do anything to stay in correct let's be clear his voters will crawl over broken glass to keep him there because he's giving them what they want which is this racial Dogma that makes them feel superior in real so fine but Democrats can't run away from two things number one if he broke the law the only people can who can indict him is the house the only the only punishment that you can inflict on him is impeachment that's the or damage or if you don't do it what if you don't do it the base of this party will understand that they gave Democrats power they won't use the only thing the house can do and I don't care if they don't send it to the Senate leave Mitch McConnell hanging indict this man so your base will know you're fighting him and that you don't recognize the legitimacy of his election if you concede that whatever he did he's still legitimately there and you're gonna fight him in an election where Russia Saudi Arabia Iran everyone else is fighting with him and that's that's what we got from I guess as a business guy I was always looking there was never a meeting I had that was about what's happening today it's a year two years three years down the road and I keep saying if the game is get the ogre out of office and that is the only game nothing else matters single-payer health insurance doesn't matter climate control doesn't matter get him out of office the right tactic right and you're smiling at me right climate control a second ago like yours is that going backwards more with Jerry Nadler more with him going they're going out they're going after nigga after you you're gonna lose you're not going anywhere go play a game you can win and a deathmatch game where you put them in but you can win I'm sorry to interrupt you before you get a chance to answer because the reality is the way that you fight Donald Trump who is doing a television show correct is that you put on a competing program that even Fox has to watch impeachment is not about removal does anybody want the president Mike Pence no but you want destabilize him impeachment will demoralize him he will be the worst Donald Trump he could be you will put in front of the American people in a way even Fox has to pay attention to what he did to cheat to get his way in and while you're doing you consolidate all these various investigations no one's paying attention shoka's okay joy I mean team joy Giovanni somewhere in the middle well here's the thing and you're gonna love this because I'm gonna agree with both of you and it's impossible to do what to do it's possible to do because here's the thing the Democrats should have if when they took over the House of Representatives the day the molar report dropped they should have moved toward a drop they should have done it the week after that that we've done that anyway but today if you were safe Nancy Pelosi are at the table I'd say cancel the summer recess and start the impeachment process now because I think Joy's right and I think more importantly for history you can't let this kind of behavior be normalized you can't let a president get away without some institutional body saying a president cannot behave this way however and this is where I agree with you the problem is that Democrats aren't going to they didn't do it when they showed it at it two month in April March April May June July they're not gonna do it in August right the worst thing would be to do what they're doing which is to dithered and and and we had look up in October and then suddenly well you know it's too close to the election now and that's where we're headed yeah I think that's intolerable either start appeasement proceedings two more on Monday or shut it down but don't but don't try to have it both ways where you keep it out there hang and look like you're being wishy-washy and and uncertain about what you're doing because I think that's the worst of all worlds yeah and then what's the election about then that's what Democrats have done isn't emotionally satisfying at all this week right you were right you had it scratched the itch of oh we need to hear from Muller but what Muller told them was actually legally very satisfying he gave clear points that the president is not exonerated that rush he invited and asked for Russia to participate interfere in our election and this is the slow slow drip drip that's going to turn into a tsunami in cascade already as a result of the hearings we've had I think seven or eight more members of Congress immediately sign on saying they're for impeachment this summer recess allows for the Democrats to build a coalition to take the case into town halls into their communities and have people push their members the case is no longer about mores though the case is no longer about Miller it is about what individual voters will tell the people they elected to represent by the way O'Brien running for office the day the model report came out there was not one person in Ohio and was out there and Jeremy I guess my point is I wouldn't Dinah Moretti he is criminal Trump stop calling President Trump we don't have to play by neri rules right now I call him criminal Trump he has been found guilty and we will punish him 16 months from now and the way we're gonna punish him is get us out as office and let's stop talking about health care and let's start talking about the things we need to talk to what continually he's a big problem for Democrats because Trump commands so much attention and consumes so much media oxygen anyway so what Democrats are finding is their candidates are not breaking through as you would expect them to at this point in an election year they're just not democratic pollsters are seeing it and I'm hearing alarm bells from a lot of them on this I think joy and John we're talking about the mistakes Democrats have made throughout this process I think they made a couple more one is they assumed that this was going to play out like the Watergate hearings where there was going to be this this Eureka revelation like the White House taping system that was disclosed during Watergate right that's not happening number two they're assuming that we're playing in a partisan political climate that doesn't exist anymore the Republicans are never going to join hands with Democrats and say you know what I think Trump has actually gone too far that happened with the Clinton impeachment there were 31 Democrats who voted to start impeachment proceedings in 1998 against Bill Clinton that kind of by partly weren't war now we're we have an enemy the Republicans who cheat who lie who steal who will openly steal election they'll tell you going to do it and to fight a battle that's gonna end up with an academic outcome even if okay well Congress agreed versus real-life combat in the marketplace I don't want to see Jerry Nadler on the screen anymore I wanna see comel Harris I want to see Joe Biden I don't want to see ownership their great American prosecute the case right that's what count Lera said so powerful at that first debate is the prosecutor in her came out and you could see for the first time on the national stage how she could be somebody who could really effectively go toe-to-toe and she said that it is AI know what a rap sheet looks like and I know how to prostrate that so this is going this is starting to come out we're fighting this war Democrats on multiple fronts right Congress has its role legal authority the folks that got elected in 2018 who had this mandate to really check Donald Trump will certainly hear it from their constituents and the candidates are now presenting a positive vision of what they can do even just one day of moller hearings if you saw that one day of congressional hearings had him tweeting like he was crazy it certainly is destabilizing him in the trick for Democrats is to maintain that destabilization of Trump for the next message from okay the final four hours in removing X panel is that I love Michelle Obama it's no longer they go low we go they go low we do whatever if they do and I'm concerned the more we kind of dig backwards with mother and the more we play there we can't go to the kind of warfare we need okay my pleaded Democrats a candidates Rome is burning please please please keep your eye on the ball not each other in the upcoming debates what happens is a debate and obviously they're gonna go after each other and the new polls show Biden firmly ahead so obviously there's gonna have to go after we're already seeing the back-and-forth between him and Booker and in column we saw a couple weeks ago am i naive to think that the Democrats are going to look like tone-deaf idiots bickering at each other about race issues but they're all on the same team where the other team is basically citing fascist send them back to where they came from is there some thought to guys maybe we all have to keep our eye on the prize here and the prize is Donald J Trump not each other and I think it's even worse than that I think the temptation is gonna be there particularly for Biden to get payback in this debate by going after Connell Harris or Cory Booker he will look terrible the worst thing he could do is turn to the one black lady on that stage and try to attack her he will look awful she has no incentive to attack him she did her thing already she's shown she's strong I agree with you that what they should do is show me as the prototypical voter out there that is a Democrat that is on their side which one of you could take him down that's it demonstrate that to me that's all they have to do fighting each other you guys are both I mean it's not gonna by me yes maybe but that's not what's gonna happen because I agree with you about the possibility Biden's gonna lash out in everything that he's been doing for the last two weeks indicates that he's personally offended by it Harris he's personally offended by Booker and he's simmering with anger towards both of them and so personally by the course of the Democratic Party that may be true but it's he's taking it out on those two right now and you can see how how annoyed he is I think that is unrealistic grossly unrealistic to think that in a competitive environment in which all of these people think they should be President and therefore think they should be the Democratic nominee that everybody is going to get up on stage and say Joe Biden's ahead has the aura of inevitability he's gonna be the nominee if no one takes down Joe Biden Joe Biden will be the nominee and the rest of these people aren't out there to waste their time there it's a race it's a fight it's a contest and ask them to try to compete like let's each one of us try to show that we're the best one to take on Donald Trump and not make any comments about the guy who's in first place if it happens that's what Donnie's lead on Donald Trump it's like you're not gonna be able to do if I'm Connell Harris I turn to Joe Biden and I say here's what I can beat Donald Trump and you can't and then frame some issues that way so we were in such a different frightening territory now that they seem just this you can't like all of a sudden say oh the debate is about universal health care single-payer insurance what the debate is fundamentally about who we want to be as a country and it is another election season about the system being broken and one side the Donald Trump side is saying it's broken and not working because of those people and the Democrats are saying it is broken because everything has gone to the 1% how you divide that among the candidates and their policies great that's a debate I understand that but fundamentally that's the vision of America they need to put forward that is inclusive that is forward leaning and looking ahead and that's part of what Biden's challenge is going to be is how is he not the establishment candidate on stage so if I am people who judge or something and I turn to by writer to at Carla Harris and I say you are a great American you want universally you want to take away insurance private insurance 430 million Americans we can debate that but I do know that's gonna lose to Donald Trump for this reason let's debate it one of us gets in office and people gotta start talking honestly what things are unelectable ideology is great if we don't get it right we go back 50 years we know there's not even discussions of ideology or their concern a lot of Biden supporters have right now is that he may do all this to himself that he is already shown with that he's not the same Joe Biden that he was five years ago that he's kind of lost and his edge so we've seen it before with him his campaigns have for president have notoriously imploded twice before so my question is is he the Jeb Bush of this cycle where everybody kind of assumed he was a front-runner and then it fell apart or is he more like a Mitt Romney where he goes through this long slog in the primary process gets beat up ultimately becomes a nominee but is incredibly wounded by the time you get to the general life and and the temptation is gonna be so strong for everyone who isn't Kamala Harris to try to do what she did so a lot of the folks on that stage are gonna know she had a moment by hitting him and if they are gonna understand your point I agree it's a competition and they know it goes through Biden I don't know I'm saying with what they should do and what they will do a very different I think they're gonna come after by you're gonna hit that there's a moment when I mentioned this before for somebody the same way Carla's greatest moment I thought was the foodfight comment where if somebody the first time they're up and go guys you are all great Americans okay and we cannot we disagree a lot guys did you see last week in North Carolina no one's please the American people are demanding it of us I tell you though how much cable coverage that would get zero like what what people understand hundred thirty five you watch oh yeah that one time I so cable I on screen what would you need in these debates and what every candidate knows is they want that moment that gets replayed all day long not to get replayed well we get replayed as Carla Harris saying that girl was mean thought that's what that was gives from player gets replayed is the moment of conflict I'm not I'm talking about the world as it is not the world's it should be the world as it is is that CNN MSNBC Fox News they cover the moments of conflict they cover someone who wins and over again that's what these people are going for again whether they should or not is a different question let's not forget about Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren that's going to be a critical part of who's carrying forward the progressive banner and the so far both of them been very nice to each other but they will be on the debate stage she's got the policies he's got the passion and the original person bringing these ideas forward that's gonna be critical for turning out a new set of voters we did not vote for Hillary Clinton okay I just want everybody to have that playing the violin and that's a tonic as it goes down okay up next okay that was nine days but obviously and guess what we move on to the media there was there was more than all these things we're not gonna move on here because to me I am still terrified I am NOT a conspiracy there are so many tonight days later and we're still answering the question joy and this is something I'm gonna keep coming back to the showing it I'm my head's not spinning in circles and I am NOT going crazy but not yet not yet but they're there there's so many stunning parallels to what Hitler was doing in the early thirties once again I'm not saying Trump is we're gonna slaughter six million Jews but ranging from the fake news parallels to the seizing of new powers the Reichstag in 33 versus you know Trump's not exist in national emergencies and declarations to ignore Congress the racial scapegoating the rallies the isolating of himself the creating of faults other he has the Justice Department his pocket he has one branch of the government marching blindly behind them and we keep saying oh there's a safeguard this couldn't happen this cover but every time even when it comes down to so send her home send her home send her back and then Kevin McCarthy the third ranking Republican basically I said no you didn't see that that wasn't a chance right so I firmly believe knowing Donald Trump that if you set the Donald Trump mr. Trump in order to become Putin in order stay in office forever in order to loot this country you have to do X he's capable of doing wherever your mind could take you 4x absolutely Michael Cohen said it you know he is an autocrat in his mind he wants to be president start using the word fascist tendencies many couldn't many tendencies like Adolf Hitler yeah said it throw me off the air and at minimum what Donald Trump has done if they at the most generous he's taken the Republican Party of the United States and turned into the National Party of South Africa from 1948 until 1990 because that party was a purely Christian fascist they called themselves Christian nationalists they made laws in which every black person or brown person had to constantly have to show their identity to any police officer who asked them Donald Trump has now turned ice into a national deportation force that can ask for the papers of any American and any immigrant anybody brown that they see that they want to ask they must show their papers and even if they're American they can detain and deport them he's turned them into a terrorizing force that is specifically targeted at black and brown people he has essentially said over and over again that he'd like to be President for life he's taken the Republican Party and had them divorced from reality if he says the sky is green they all right go right behind him the sky is green he's turned brown people into animals in the eyes of his followers that is what was done in Rwanda the Hutu and it turned them into rats and vermin so he's taken all the worst qualities of every fascist dictator that we've had throughout history and he's mimicking them he's repeating them he's copying not Putin but people worse than Putin even and if Hitler and 100 percent remember his father allegedly had that or he allegedly had the bomb in a 1990 Vanity Fair article talked about his divorce from avada Avada said in the divorce that Trump had next to his bed speeches of Adolf Hitler and when Trump was asked about it he says I'm not saying what I have it or didn't but I would look at it if I had it his father was arrested per the New York Times at a Klan rally so Donald Trump comes from a history of deep leaf felt racism and I think he has a natural because he's so needy a tendency toward fascism because he wants absolute power and adoration and if he can't get it by people wanting to give him adoration he'll take it and keep power and Goebbels greatest hit was we need to build a wall it's so obvious from how he's dealing with foreign leaders as well right like who picks up the phone and calls Sweden and say you need to do this you need to release this random guy I like from a reality show as opposed to talking about policy and how to advance global democracies and he hangs out what the Saudis he hangs out with and the autocrats he wants to be best buddies with Kim jong-un these are not the countries and leaders he admires are not people who are doing good things in their own country another thing that happened we don't talk about it enough I've talked about in this show is beyond creating the other a dictator gets wealthy people to look the other way and that's the scare so that's what was happening Nazi Jeremy you're a college professor the economy was so good no problem no problem and those are the people that I love and I've mentioned this on the show before you believe Trump's gotta put food on the table you need food you don't have this luxury to sit and cut around but so many of the people that we know that I know that I'm embarrassed about they will always believe the economy they're all the same way and that is the most heinous dirtiest trick of all it's the the donor class the Republican donor class which when Trump announced in June of 2015 uniformly were full of mockery and derision they all know these bankers the private equity people all the hedge fund people nobody was with Trump they all knew him and they said this guy's a joke one burn everyone before him and the way in which they gradually moved from that not just I'm not with it but he's a menace and he's an idiot and he's dangerous too not just supporting him but supporting him actively is one of the more kind of savagely upsetting insidious things that you've seen I don't really care that much about rich people but watching them behave in this way has been pretty grotesque and it mirrors obviously what's happened more broadly in the Republican Party but I will say this as we contemplate these parallels there is one guardrail that matters that that is a thump someone to hold on to he still has been a 40% president throughout he's not he's not gained a new voter he's not built a movement that's gone outside of the people who voted for him in 2016 the reason that the 2018 midterms were believed that they were was because the this very diverse country that is dominated by now and a rising coalition of non-white voters of college-educated female voters and others they and African American women all of them right stood up in 2018 when given the one opportunity to say no to Donald Trump they stood up and said no they couldn't vote on Donald Trump and I'm not I'm not I'm just saying I'm not trying to be Pollyannish about anything that Trump is doing I'm saying that to the extent that I have hope in this area is that Trump has governed in this way for the last two-and-a-half three years almost and he's not picked up a bit not a solo it has happened all of a sudden he's got his in-house Justice Department attorney in bold and right if you make this mistake we had Obama for two terms black president racism is gone Trump has tapped into something that has been a very American problem since before the civil rights movement since before the Civil War we have not wrestled with it we have not dealt with our challenges in race and how it plays in our democracy what Donald Trump is now doing is making this a cultural problem that will outlast him so even if there's a Democrat in office the problem is we will have a day to day in our community of people saying the things they used to say under their breath are now saying them out loud I think I hear that's really interesting and quite dispiriting indicates that there's a lack of hope that people had when Obama was president and like wow we are past those things we elected the first african-american president that has really dissipated since in the three years of Trump has been president and I hear it from women first who will say I don't think that will elect a female president I don't think a female is gonna be the nominee of the Democratic Party which is really surprising considering we just had one they and I hear it from African Americans too there's no way that an African American especially an African American woman is going to be the nominee of the party again and that's just so striking considering where we were eight years happen and by the way I'm sorry to inform you but the National Party in South Africa with 10% of the population stayed in power from 1948 to 1990 you can have minority rule we have it now John I want to go back to this but we have to stop thinking the guardrails are not gonna be there and what scares me he wins again illegally they're already telling you we're vanity and I have a segment coming up that's gonna really frighten you about the poll about how unprotected our voting system is and god forbid we lose Congress in that midterm it's over work is still ahead voting was she nightmare this is a conspiracy Robert Muller says we should also be concerned about election security I don't think the average American realizes how vulnerable voting machines are stay tuned the answers gonna scare you my experience working for mr. Trump I fear that if he loses the election in 2020 that there will never be a people or machines are to any kind of interference is this in your investigation that you think that this was a single attempt by the Russians to get involved in our election or did you find evidence to suggest they'll try to do this again oh it wasn't a single attempt they're doing it as we sit here and they expect to do it during the next campaign and then Mitch McConnell shoots down bills but if we shouldn't make our elections any more say for what we want to do that there's something that really terrifies me and it's about Microsoft that basically so many of the voting machines still use Windows 7 or an older system and Windows 7 is reaching the end of its life in January in terms of the computer what that means is that it stops providing textual support and producing patches to fix software vulnerabilities and states like Wisconsin Florida Pennsylvania all use this Windows 7 or older and it is stunning joy you're shaking your head yes like guys we are unprotected here absolutely think about your old laptop like in like the early 2000s how vulnerable was to viruses that's your voting machines and the fact that Mitch McConnell refuses to do anything about it the only interpretation can't be that he sees his power as tied to Donald Trump being reelected and that he is indifferent to whether Donald Trump is elected by Americans or by Russians and the Chinese and the Saudis and he really doesn't care whether or not foreign countries interfere in our election in fact he probably would like it to happen if it guarantees Trump and he keep their power and John it's interesting they did this thing as far as hacking the election websites with his voter registration and they had kids do it in an average of 11 minutes how do you turn this into a voter issue Kim Lee when you ask that question because you would think oh we have a party that doesn't about having safe elections okay next election over how do we help me as a message guy yes yes yes the only thing I know is that is that in doing this for a pretty long time now that like process issues are really hard they just are you know things like you would think you don't want you know money to corrupt politics but it's always been really difficult for politicians to make the compelling case that voters to make them care about campaign finance performance and traits you know it sounds like process and for most people they're more focused on things like it Healthcare is a little different you could argue that did that that the corruption of our democracy starts with the way in which powerful interest can buy our elections in a different way but I'm saying that that is the thing that strategists have struggled with for years that fundamental foundational process issues are hard to make come alive for people who are struggling to make ends meet and care about educating their kids their health care are their jobs it's it's always harder and so it's the message guys like you were supposed to have the answers here not not guys like you do you can make I'm sorry this also plays into a bit of the Russian narrative broadly that you should not trust the system right that the system is broken your elections are fraudulent only Donald Trump can help you in solve all these problems so it is important to recognize that the biggest voting problem actually right now isn't that Donald Trump or Russians are interfering with the voting booths directly if that people aren't allowed to vote who have a legal right to vote it's once again the fact that they killed the voter the Voting Rights Act effect with the gerrymandering a census we got all that yeah what is stunning is just you kind of assume okay voting we got that under control Germany we're not even close we're not and the Republican Party has shown absolutely no willingness to lead on this issue whatsoever that's just it's doing 101 human democracy stuff right I mean to protect the most fundamental part of our democracy that is citizen participation right you would think that there would be more people who would send me that of course you would also expect there would be more people to stand up when the president says clearly racist things and say yes I think that's racist but and said they're making excuses for him or explaining in a way but this Mitch McConnell I think has also shown no capacity for engage in fact he's boasted about engaging in behavior that is so beyond the pale and so without precedent so I don't think we should be surprised at all but I think you have a message that that's pretty simple that people are miss reading the part of the model report in part one Russians went in to black people to my community and found ways to get people to disenfranchise themselves these people are doing just what the old Jim Crow South needs to do they're trying to steal your vote and I think you tell Americans are trying to steal your vote and now it's not just the old right wing that you thought of as trying to take your vote they're now using foreign governments to steal your vote trust me in a lot of communities that have been there with your vote being stolen they would hear that in someone but that's a disinformation part that takes advantage of existing divisions in the United States it's their side operation they look at it and see how they can manipulate people but it is still important for everyone to go and show up at the Democrats start looking forward not backward and fight back hard it's that simple Democrats have been looking back over the past two and a half years at the mullet well enough the more whining no more complaining no more analysis there are two takeaways from mullet OU's moving forward the president broke the law and can be indicted and put in jail after these office and our election process is vulnerable to foreign or any interference now it's time to move on and fight anyway needed anyway that's need to win that's what we're doing tonight looking forward not back giving the damage some fighting tools and strategies to do whatever it takes the water only task at hand remove and evil and a wall for president from the White House and put him in jail lots to cover this aside I politics thanks for joining us okay I've said this before but I really mean it this time we have the best panel that we've ever had you will understand when I introduce the four Titans before you first off your read Jerry as you know the host of am joy on MSNBC what a privilege to have you here thank you so much for having me smartest person I miss NBC not that it's a very high bar but speaking of the lower bar my good friend my partner one of the best guys around and the dumbest guy that is always the host on this show the drunkest guys my main man John Heilemann obviously star executives in the circus most important political analysts at NBC NBC News and thank you for being you're probably my last great friend to be here I mean Barnacles been here Nicole's been here and finally you're here yeah Willie's been here you bet you begged I bet you pleaded I pleaded but I'm here I probably happy to be here thrilled to be here this is it highlight of my week I agree with that now you're a hack former White House senior director former State Department senior advisor nice to meet you I'm big fan of yours on Bill Maher into being here and also a good friend Jeremy Peters a New York Times reporter MSNBC contributor one of the saying voices on okay let's get right to the wall Muller's over message the Democrats I'm sorry to break the news it's time to move on okay joy I want to start with you and you can punch holes in this area in two parts to this story yeah we can't keep just staring at ourselves we can't keep talking about impeachment that's not gonna happen or shouldn't have that doesn't mean we don't fight I think we have to fight harder than ever and my good friend Joe Scarborough who's wrong all the time has no fashion sense was so right on yesterday when he start to talk or two days ago it's war we got to stop fighting the nice guy stuff so two-part question number one do you agree with the thesis that it's time to take from the mall report but move away from Peachtree it's not the winning formula and it's time to fight differently by a hundred percent disagree with you I knew you I was gonna go to the sick of fam Heil me you know well here's the reality yes I think most of what you said I agree with it Donald Trump clearly committed obstruction of justice he can't be indicted for it because he's president the only thing protecting him from being prosecute is the job he has now so he will do anything to stay in correct let's be clear his voters will crawl over broken glass to keep him there because he's giving them what they want which is this racial Dogma that makes them feel superior bro so fine but Democrats can't run away from two things number one if he broke the law the only people can who can indict him is the house the only the only punishment that you can inflict on him is impeachment that's the or damage or if you don't do it what if you don't do it the base of this party will understand that they gave Democrats power they won't use the only thing the house can do and I don't care if they don't send it to the Senate leave Mitch McConnell hanging indict this man so your base will know you're fighting him and that you don't recognize the legitimacy of his election if you concede that whatever he did he's still adjudant Lee there and you're gonna fight him in an election where Russia Saudi Arabia Iran everyone else is fighting with him and that's that's what we got from I guess as a business guy I was always looking there was never a meeting I had that was about what's happening today it's a year two years three years down the road and I keep saying if the game is get the ogre out of office and that is the only game nothing else matters single-payer health insurance doesn't matter climate control doesn't matter get him out of office the right tactic right you were smiling at me and climate control a second ago like yours is that going backwards more with Jerry Nadler more with him going there going out there going after nigga after you you're gonna lose you're not going anywhere go play a game you can win and a deathmatch game where you put them in but you can win I'm sorry to interrupt you before you get a chance to answer because the reality is the way that you fight Donald Trump who is doing a television show correct is that you put on a competing program that even Fox has to watch impeachment is not about removal does anybody want the president Mike Pence no but you want to destabilize him impeachment will demoralize him he will be the worst Donald Trump he could be you we'll put in front of the American people in a way even Fox has to pay attention to what he did to cheat to get his way in and while you're doing you consolidate all these various investigations no one's paying attention well I want to cos I'll get joy I mean team joy Giovanni summer in the middle well here's the thing you're

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