Ep1: NPV Interveiws British 'The Kavernacle (Conor Kavanagh)' About US/UK Politics

Ep1: NPV Interveiws British 'The Kavernacle (Conor Kavanagh)' About US/UK Politics



when a progressive voice I've got a Connor here I reached out to Connor he was very nice enough to join us here tonight first thing can you tell listeners who you are why open up your YouTube channel yeah so yeah so my name is Connor around the channel called the Cavanaugh cool and basically how it started was when I was at university shout out to the University of Southampton having such great like equipment opportunities I started my own radio show just like an hour every week talking about politics mostly on my own sometimes with different people and what it sort of transitioned into as me thinking you know this doesn't have a big audience here let me cut up some of the clips and put them on YouTube and from there sort of just grown like bigger and bigger I born chants of different topics for your mainly politics US politics focus I guess but also political issues and yes my background in my education is history and politics and then you know I was doing my Master's last year I really started ramping up my sort of channel so I said I've been doing it properly for about a year and a half now but I had the channel for two years and yes recently did a lot better last four months been really great got like 2,000 new subs a big you know nice community grown as well and it's just really you know somewhere for me sort of vent and give my opinion I want to have some sort of voice and I feel sometimes a UK perspective on things like American politics is helpful just because there's stuff that you guys don't have in the US which we've had for decades and decades mm-hmm okay cool I guess my channel it's called the new progressive voice so you instantly know that identify as a progressive seriously without trying to pigeonhole you how would you self-identify yeah that's pretty hard actually get this question a lot because you know there's lots of things I like whether it's like socialism and Marxism there's also more things that aren't as compatible there's a theory called realism which is about the world not existing with any morals it's just all about power and then there's sort of certain beliefs I have that aren't compatible but I'd say progressive is probably a good label for me because more general so so you know I'm like a progressive so I'll suit some of your beliefs but you know I'm more for example in terms of the Marxist side I'm more hardcore antsy religion for example maybe then a lot of progressives are but you know there's other things I sort of believe as well which don't match happier generally you know you call me a progressive that's not you know wrong to label me as such okay how do you can see us politics from your perspective and how does your perspective seem to translate over to the general population that's a really broad question but getting one one man's perspective on this yes so we're gonna talk about Trump first I think a lot of people in the UK don't like Trump for a variety of reasons and I'd say what a good description is some people might agree with his politics here but the character he is just really turns a lot of people off just because he's so like I guess crass is a good word and vulgar and the way he articulates himself is really poor like he's not tricking anyone I guess in the UK a lot of people that he's intelligent and he has your best interests at heart and I would also say some people who vote conservative what you know they might have the same sort of beliefs of Trump but the the you know the concerns in the UK are a lot more educated because the whole thing is like in the UK's comes sort of another medieval period like the privilege should lead us the people go to Oxbridge go to Eaton who turn out most of our prime ministers they lead us because they're the most you know educated and I don't think that's as true in the in their you know the United States especially when you have the Republican Party which you know a lot of them are very well educated but what they use is sort of you know shows not a lack of education but they sort of tap into that with their propaganda so I'd say in general I think a lot of British people just know the u.s. politics is a circus really you know it's so flashy we have laws in the UK where you can only have I think it's five weeks is the maximum for the election campaign for the parties whereas in the US you know it starts like a year and a half and more earlier it's everywhere you know to the extent that most presidents don't even take their first term seriously because they're thinking about re-election so they don't do my stuff until their second term but a lot of the time they can go back and forth where you know someone like Nixon had you know Democrats controlling the you know the bodies of power someone like Trump now has Congress being controlled by the Democrats and you know that could flip even more where even if he got reelected the Senate could go so you know people just I guess it's a bit of a circus and I guess people in Britain generally fine Americans quite arrogance I think it kind of plays into that it's broadly speaking there's a lot more new ones but I think generally Trump isn't well liked even if people did like his politics just because of what you know what he is mm-hmm yeah it's interesting you talk about the elitist classed in the UK dominating politics over there in the government particularly you know aristocracy and your perspective of America is somewhat different to that but we also view ourselves in that same light mainly capitalists running the show some insiders for example back in 2004 I think was 2004 you had to skullenbones candidates running for president Kerry and George Bush and they're both from Yale so that gives you a nice I mean is a freemason thing yeah I mean it's supposed to be an on-campus kind of thing and non-controversial but you know you can go from there if you want however deep down the rabbit hole you want to go yeah yeah that's interesting what I wanted to do is get a little more into British government because I've read up on the the structure itself yeah but I wanted to get your explanation of sometimes it's better to hear it from an actual person living there yeah then to have to read it and try to make sense of what you're reading so my understanding is at the top is well there's a parliament and then there are counselors I guess that are part of the Parliament that are selected and the head Parliament is the minister and he selected or he or she is selected local level well because we're in part the EU I gotta get into that I was a totally local level you have local councils and local councils I guess it's kind of like state Senate's in a way you have them deciding really local issues it's like a sort of like a little mini Parliament where you elect them every so often and then they meet and then whoever controls it has different policies but it's totally like local it's like you know to sorting out who collects the bins and stuff is proper you know small stuff and then on top of that you have different regions have like MPs so the MPs are elected by different region that's all cut in different ways so for example mine is heavily dominated by either the Conservatives or the Liberal Democrats and it has been for the last 100 years census to come into existence so we vote for that and that's our representative in the parliament which is the House of Commons which is the main one that's where most things get decided it's where the Prime Minister's Questions happens it's where everyone meets to really decide the fate of the UK now what you also have is the House of Lords which is an unelected body which really comes from privilege essentially but what happens is you ask the Queen you know if you say for example you're a Labour government and most of the lords as conservatives you'd ask the Queen can I have some more labour peers and there's a variety of people you know you have to be knighted for a lot of people to get in there or you know you can be a lady as well and the Queen will put you in there but what used to happen the house of laws used to go to throw out stuff it was basically this whole like you know elitist thing these people obviously know better they have to have a check on the Commons because they're educated they're knighted by the Queen they have the power but in recent times the powers sort of gone away so they only have a veto that lasts for 12 months and I think they did I think they did something to do with brexit last year but they don't generally do too much but they do lots of like investigations of things they publish a lot of like research and papers they still have daily not daily but like they had regular debates in the House of Lords and then at the top of that you obviously have the Queen so the Queen you know her privilege allows her to meet with the Prime Minister once a week you sort of have to get her authority like her permission to become can I form Her Majesty's Government as we call it the Queen doesn't have much power everything is pretty much named after the Queen though obviously see someone like me I don't agree just because someone has come from a particular family they get to have you know an influence in our politics but a lot of people like the Queen a lot of information out at me and I want to slow it down for listeners because a lot of people don't read and Americans get lost up because you're throwing terms out there the people are familiar with so we could do a bite size if you don't mind yeah so let's start I'm gonna start differently let's start out understanding the difference between Britain the United Kingdom in Great Britain not necessarily like geographically but more from the standpoint of the way British tend to look at that okay so yeah so you have it's called generally the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland so Great Britain is Wales Scotland and England – that is obviously one Ireland Northern Ireland is older in Ireland but I think a lot of Americans are confused Ireland is not part of the UK the Republic of Ireland is its own country it for you know as I'm Anglo Irish myself they fought for independence from the British but what happened is because Northern Ireland had a high concentration of Protestants and English descendants they sort of said this part is staying part of the UK the rest of Ireland can go to the Catholic Republicans and okay that's how you get a lot of the issues in the 1990s because a lot of the IRA are fighting to make northern I'm a part of the Republic of Ireland so that is the general difference so if you say Britain yeah Britain just means the UK which is you know what I said and then you have different countries so England is where the Parliament is it's where most of the population is it's where everyone meets in one Parliament in England that's Westminster as everyone probably knows that and what a lot of people do but then each region has its own little Parliament so Wales has it Scotland has it and Norville Ireland have it so they all have little regional administration's as well but the main power lies in the mid-late lies in Westminster where they all send them is – okay West ministers within the region called Britain which is part of UK and then of course UK also is made up of known Northern Ireland and Wales okay and Scotland but when you say Britain you don't mean England generally it's more colloquial for saying all of it the whole United Kingdom is Britain so Northern Ireland's included in that as well okay England is save maybe two-thirds of the main island Scotland the top and Wales is to the west so it's all connected together but England is only one one country in it and the whole of that is called I guess greater Britain and then you say in the United Kingdom of Great Britain which is Scotland Wales and England and you say Northern Ireland but just put make more confused for you when you say Britain people normally think of the Union Jack which represents all of it so North line gets included when we say Britain technically it's not right Britain just means the one side with England Wales and Scotland but colloquially if you hear someone say that they probably aren't leaving out Northern Ireland's get it got a good thanks thanks for that later it's complicated okay so now the head of the United Kingdom would be considered the Prime Minister is that is it fair to say that's equivalent to the president here in the United States I guess it is but the Queen is the head of the whole of the UK like as US more like a ceremonial role which some presidents in other countries do some kind of in inhabit this row as more like a ceremonial head so the queen is the head of the government but like I know she doesn't actually have much power and it would be a massive controversy if she actually use it for example the Queen can dissolve Parliament she's never gonna do that no but she can do it it's moving her power but yes the Prime Minister has the power of the whole of the UK it's all within their hands that there are some certain regional things that is left up to the other countries in the United Kingdom like Scotland Wales and Northern Ireland which they don't normally take care of but yet broadly speaking you could say the Prime Minister is like your president would with the power they have Queen doesn't select the Prime Minister so I had some people messaging me specifically how come Boris Johnson's a prime minister so close Teresa Mayer is on there like surely wise Jeremy Corbyn not the Prime Minister so what happens is the party selects its leader if the party wins the election the majority in parliament or goes into coalition to win a majority with another party that leader becomes the prime minister what they have to do then is ask the Queen for permission to form a government but that is just as you know it's a ceremonial thing doesn't really matter it's never gonna say no like Jeremy Corbyn isn't like the monarchy the Queen is not going to say no if he becomes Prime Minister and asked to form a government so you know the leader of the party with the majority becomes a prime minister or as we saw in 2010 they'd formed the coalition the Conservatives with the Liberal Democrats to get a parliamentary majority but then the leader of the conservative conservatives David Cameron because I still had the most members in Parliament he became the prime minister okay so essentially what you have here then is the executive authority is within the monarchy is that correct historically yes but nowadays now okay so as you said pretty much sir all ceremonial yeah and can the Queen in this case Elizabeth give advice to the Parliament so what has been happening it happened more frequently but they would have advisers and you'd have to get the kings or queens signature on the bill now basically you know it's not a big deal and you just meet the Queen once a week keep up to date with stuff so if any of your followers have watched a crown on crown on Netflix you see Queen Elizabeth meeting with Churchill me of always people once a week to discuss foreign policies but because she meant to be a political I doubt she's given too much advice on what these prime ministers should do it's more like to keep it updated it's more like a tradition thing more than anything super important and what is this sentiment of those within the sometimes I have a difficult time knowing what to call you guys I don't know if I should call you guys Englanders Brit Brit British or Ritter's or you cares what what is the most typical thing you would want to answer to so a people would prefer British to be more inclusive of everyone okay technically for example me if on the surface because I'm born in England I'm English if you're born in Scotland you may be call yourself Scottish born in Welsh born in Wales Welsh born in Northern Ireland you're Northern Irish but technically for a more inclusive term these days and it used to be British is a good one to call general people from the UK no one's gonna get offended but you can be more specific and say for example I'm English or if I'm from another region your whatever so might depend on where you're visiting like if I'm visiting Northern Ireland it might be more appropriate for me to say you know Irish or something like that probably better because in Northern Ireland Catholics might not really like being called British because of the connotations with England so yeah probably safer off saying Northern Irish or or avoid saying British if you were in that territory okay and is it Brit neurs or British you could say Britons but I fit fashion but I say British is the most well-known and well well used term sort of for calling British people yeah according these people from its region you know a thing British is the safe term I'd say okay and so is the sentiment of the British a continuation of the ceremonial monarchy or is there ever discussion that eventually that would dissolve and would hold no purpose yes so you ask a good question at the right time brexit is really fracturing the UK and I wouldn't be surprising if you know brexit would dissolve the you know the Union so the history of it is in England basically conquered a lot of these places but they conquered Wales made it part of the Union Scotland kind of had to come to the UK to join part of the Union because what people don't really understand is that the monarchies were so intertwined Scottish Kings became kings of Scotland and England it wasn't like like you see in brave Braveheart the stereotyped Scottish or all five independence it's not really like that and Northern Ireland obviously join the whole of Ireland joined the union in 1800 and then Northern Line became part of the Union but now what you see is because Northern Ireland is pro-eu Republic of Ireland is in the EU so then there's people thinking because the goal of a lot of people in Northern Ireland's is get reunification so that could happen because they want to stay in the EU Scotland want to stay in the EU needing the whole of Scotland by region vote to stay in they might want their independence because they had the referendum in 2015 they might want another one so they can stay in the EU as well so you ask the right term in terms a lot of people not really happy to be identifying as British when England is causing so much trouble for the other regions namely school Northern Ireland who wants to stay in the EU hmm very fascinating so it's not quite the same as the United States were each state has it limited powers I mean they're not they're pretty much co-equal to each other but Scotland can to great extent think on its own even though it has its provinces within Scotland that's kind of the way it seems to like they have a certain weight then maybe I say the state of Texas doesn't really have yeah they have a it's more of a national identity and a bit more independence when you say maybe with States it's kind of similar in a way it's not like completely different you if you want to imagine it in that way it's not wrong to tree say it but cuz there's so much national identity associated with scenes and they obviously have their own Parliament's and stuff I guess you could say it's a bit more independent than states are okay now the actual brexit vote was something like 52 to 48 is that is that correct yeah that was like in 2000 I want to say 2016 or 15 15 years ago a lot last month and the vast majority as you pointed out were those within England English people this is through in polling or exit polls that this was known well my region England heavily voted to leave the European Union by population it's a lot closer because a lot of this city's voted to remain well obviously it's more diverse as more EU migrants there and stuff whereas Scotland and Northern Ireland is sort of their own case because I just have a good relationship with the EU they benefit a lot from the EU and there's lot like there's a lot less I guess why English nationalism apart of you know being great I guess is sort of in those countries just because they have suffered and there is a good deal of anti-british sentiment in both Scotland and Northern Ireland it's less about let's make Britain great again by leaving the EU and we're like a vassal state of the Orbis propaganda about about it so it's it's interesting to see that England has really messed it up for the rest of them and you can understand like I send my earlier point why these countries not really too fond of England at the moment the way they're going about it sort of a lot of them feel bad voices are being minimized because Westminster has the most power okay and like you say that the you know it is close in the polls but by country it's not close especially like Wales in England mostly for leaving in region England's a bit more split because of the population but yet Wales totally basically pro leaving Scotland really pro stayin northern islands a bit more split but generally likes the EU a lot more yeah I want to go into more detail later or you know maybe in another video more about brexit and what is the big mess over there and why is it taking 3-4 years and we still don't see a you know deal with Europe to exit but just on the surface at the start what's your understanding of what would lead to brexit I mean there's so many different theories about that well really it's quite simple if you want a surface level but obviously you know things your experience in America is like a stagnant stagnating neoliberal free-market economy which doesn't really work for the younger people stay making wages higher cost of living things like that and there's always see Tory austerity policies which are about cutting public spending to save money which have really hurt people and they might be a bit desperate but on the surface it's basically you Kip who are gaining more momentum and more sort of support the Conservatives were scared but you kit would start stealing their seats and then steal their majority so David Cameron called the EU referendum basically to appease and be like we're the Conservatives will give you a referendum but he expected most people to vote to stay different reasons mean you know misinformation you know there's a famous thing one of the most google in the UK arthur was what is the EU most people did not know what they were voting for it was mainly whipped up xenophobia people saying Turkey you're gonna join the EU which means a hundred million Muslims could freely move to UK plus be easier for people from Isis to get to the UK through that route so lots of and obviously it's not true Turkey won't join the EU but it's not such a phobia why people vote it as well but generally it has been about the Tories being scared to lose power and why people might think Boris Johnson might make a compromise deal now is cuz the brexit party led by personally let you get back in the day Nigel Farage is gaining momentum and they might take away the tories majority and the biggest fear for these people is Jeremy Korman will become prime minister and if the brexit party starts eating away at the Tories majority labour could get in with their own majority so basically it's a lot more sip struggle and at a party struggle under the guise of something bigger and they've really played with the fate of our country just trying to hold on to power which is pretty disgusting what is the typical argument from the Tory as to why they want to not be part of the Europe anymore like what's their typical political well it's basically appealing to nationalism it's like we must take back control so being part of the EU you agree to free movement so people can come work in the UK pretty easily from the EU you can do the same there's lots of laws we abide in terms of food for example I don't know if you heard about our trade deal the US and all this chlorinated chicken we might get because the EU has high food standards meaning us can't give us that stuff and there's lots of the different things terms of fishing and everything and as someone who as my freelance job writes about immigration and writes about the EU a lot of human rights by the EU we agree to that lots of little laws like that and they're saying we must get rid of this because we're a vassal state apart from that's not true because the EU really takes you know the mick na EU the UK re takes them it the EU we don't even use the currency and we get loads of little exceptions to being part of it we had a super good deal of them and like I'm saying the only reason you'd want to leave if you're super nationalist instead of having migrant workers you train more British people to do these jobs so for example construction is a big one there's lots of migrants from Eastern Europe become over do construction work construction workers maybe feel that that's undercutting their work but there isn't enough British workers to replace the migrants who won't be allowed to live here anymore and that's a problem otherwise if it was a socialist government you say we're going to train more people to do these jobs and that will benefit people but that's not happening in the UK is BBC I mean it's the the main media there right BBC yeah okay is it pretty fair do you think about this disco or is it pretty like pushing a particular narrative well I have it is bad that my facts but I had my own opinion so there was this guy called Ronnie Gibb who ran the BBC's brexit coverage and ran their election coverage of 2017 he has made it is personal you know he really big he made sure that BBC gave more coverage to them after he quit and then he went to work for Theresa May it was found out behind the scenes he was causing chaos by trying to push for a no deal brexit that is the person who was running the election coverage and the brexit if this guy way too much coverage and they didn't change him so he became in every like larger fraud has only been an MEP he has never been an elected MP he's tried multiple times he shouldn't be getting this spot like that he does but the BBC have in essence made him so I used to follow the labor line on the Tony Blair I feel like it is skewered towards the government and a lot of things you know if their hands live a lot of allegations with Corbin and anti-semitism thing I think is pretty disingenuous and bad but overall I'd say the BBC has been pretty damaging for brexit really going along with these arguments that the right-wing make and don't really fat check them on challenge them enough in a big way so I think they the media are pretty complicit and there's actually work done academic work to show how complicit the media were in brexit sort of like with you guys and Trump mm-hmm unfortunate so I want to back up a little bit so we can help maybe listeners get an idea of some of the terms he threw out Tories is the colloquial name for the Conservative Party so we call them the Tories because it was a nickname it used to be given back in the day by the Whigs it's sort of stuck so we call them the Tories and who took conservative party like sort of alluded to most conservative Prime Minister's went to Oxbridge or went to Eton most of our prime ministers have because we've had conservative Prime Minister's over the years most of them are pretty wealthy most of them have lots of connections and most of them a very upper class okay how would you compare the Conservative Party in the UK to the United States Conservative Party I think that this is one area which makes me kind of happy about the state of our politics I don't think there's a lot of similarities I feel it's going smeared in go here I think there's a lot I think there's actually more similarities with the Conservative Party and centrist Democrats because the Republican Party on a traditional political because a lot of their belief like it in my opinion a lot of it is just white supremacy as a political brand could anyone really make the argument that the GOP care about minorities or care about anyone who's not a non-white christian those things like the religious freedom bill which is just an excuse to persecute and discriminate against others based on your Christian beliefs and stuff like that and also a lot of Republicans I know a lot of them are smart and very well educated but a lot of them are like crazy stupid and I think the concern it helps their support and stuff but GOP is essentially a more brutal version for example conservatives in this country believe in climate change so they are a lot better but and they're not as Christian for example they might say they're mostly that is something they share but just not totally like ridiculously and saying I guess there's one part of it and there i guess i subscribe to basic norms and basic morals rather the GOP just some of the rhetoric coming out of them is crazy like handshakes backdoor yeah shady deals that sort of stuff it what the problem is is people don't realize it because it's so in the background the u.s. it's like of course this person was bought by you know Boeing or bought by anything like this I can just tell by why they bow and I can look at that you don't have like an equivalent citizens united they're in no way like the laws of inch straight I know it's crazy it's not like I forgot what exactly what it is but I think it's quite small in terms of a personal donation well if in the US the same and even corporate donations are pretty small as well so is very very different in that regard and that's why the corruption takes a more sinister secret form I guess I see here in the US you know if we go on the internet we see the headline news and one day it's Theresa May the next day it's Boris Johnson this time is Theresa May basically new she's not gonna get any progress on brexit people don't support her she resigns and then there's a my understanding that he keeps his seat in Uxbridge he's still the MP from there and he's the Prime Minister okay and this is what could happen unless the government calls one all there's no confidence vote we're not gonna have a general election until 2022 but brexit has been so chaotic I wouldn't rule it out especially Boris Johnson really struggles to get a deal through before October it's like a hockey team bench and stuff so someone like Jeremy Corbyn because he's the official leader of the Opposition he calls an oak and then I understand there's 1427 seats and a consist of 650 members of parliament but I think if you're in the clergy which is kind of backward you want to if Iran or something clergy have historically veterans of the party who are given some responsibility to talk give speeches debate did they debate things instead it's not like from Northern Ireland and I basically the party that represents the interests of the Protestant community in Northern Ireland most British would consider themselves as capitalists would there be a true statement I guess Kansas I guess is people don't understand the world about Marxism when I was 14 the thing I learned immediately after was Stalin's Russia so for my whole young life trying to one it's more like you say are you catalyst because that's the way you think you live and that's a society thinking they'd be like yeah I guess I am but most people first place he clearly didn't like the EU and it's he sort of been more of like playing both sides being like you know I'll deliver brexit but it'll be a brexit that will benefit us but now he's change his thinking where he actually has called for a second referendum and it's a hard one because hombre said I'd say that's the issue that people get him on the most because he's had to change his mind just to reflect the sentiment because he's got massive support and he loads of young and it was funny there's a Scouts meeting recently and all the scouts like 15 12 12 yours 15 I was at all chanting this because they all love it that's really it's similar with Bernie like young people love be sort of new ideas and stuff and try and get the Conservatives out and a lot of people's logic is brexit might destroyed a conservative party so let's just wait for that to happen then get Jeremy Corbyn in we'd rather have brexit and Corbin ok so last question is the current monarchy the queen are they putting their feet on the scale in any way or would that be considered like don't go there yeah I think the whole the monarchy now is just you not allowed to have a political opinion in sense in a sense it's controversial like they have campaigns like let's be more healthy let's you know be kinder to each other let's raise awareness about mental health and so that's what the monarchy does they would never have an opinion about breakage it's not on I guess you know you can project your own opinions you know this old lady who's been around for ages you know 19 I think people just think the Queen is a figurehead we can be proud of and why we're getting embarrassed isn't she so royal and professional and what a great representative from the UK whereas our politicians are just a joke at the moment but yet she would never come off me like I'm canceling breaks

8 thoughts on “Ep1: NPV Interveiws British 'The Kavernacle (Conor Kavanagh)' About US/UK Politics

  1. BE SURE TO SUBSCRIBE TO CONOR'S YOUTUBE CHANNEL; THE KAVERNACLE AT:
    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCoG5ya-sMXNMkqkIz1sZ_Lw

  2. The human condition in America,
    “Tear us apart limb by limb and scatter us across the country in pieces, a repulsive site for sure
    We would rather that, than we ourselves place us neatly in a box, whole, with instruction”
    Johnny Garza 07/2019
    Understand power. That, you have right now, understand MMT

  3. Too bad we lost alot of the audio toward the last 15% of your vid, this was a very interesting interview. At the end it is so broken up one doesn't know what question Conor is answering.

    THanks for link to his channel, this is a wise move to help educate US viewers.

  4. So interesting, thank you Josh, however with audio lost in several places, perhaps an additional interview with you and Conor? I feel there is so much to learn here. Great interview nonetheless.

  5. Thanks for the UK civics / history lesson. It's confusing still but much more clear how the government works over there. Certainly appreciate this content.

  6. Here politics try to appeal to beliefs and culture rather than what's best for the country as a whole, in other words a lot of identity politics here.

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