Durham Planning Commission November 10, 2015

Durham Planning Commission November 10, 2015


GOOD EVENING AND WELCOME TO THE DURHAM CITY COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION MEETING ON NOVEMBER THE 10th, 2015. WELCOME TO THE DURHAM PLANNING COMMISSION. THE MOMEBERS OF THE DURHAM PLANNING COMMISSION HAVE BEEN APPOINTED BY THE CITY COUNCILHAM AND BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS AS AN ADVISORY BOARD. YOU SHOULD KNOW THAT ELECTED OFFICIALS WILL HAVE A FINAL SAY ON ANY ISSUE BEFORE US TONIGHT. YOU WISH TO SPEAK ON THE AGENDA ITEM TONIGHT PLEASE GO TO THE TABLE ON MY LEFT AND SIGN UP TO SPEAK. FOR THOSE WISHING TO SPEAK PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS CLEARLY WHEN YOU COME TO THE PODIUM. PLEASE SPEAK CLEARLY INTO THE MICROPHONE. EACH SIDE SPEAKING IN FAVOR OF AN ITEM AND THOSE SPEAKING IN OPPOSITION WILL HAVE 10 MINUTES TO PRESENT EACH SIDE. THE TIME WILL BE DIVIDED AMONG ALL MEMBERS WISHING TO SPEAK. FINALLY ALL MOLESES ARE STATED IN THE AFFIRMATIVE, SO IF A MOTION FAILS THE RECOMMENDATION IS FOR DENIAL. THANK YOU. CAN WE HAVE A ROLL CALL. [ROLL CALL]>>AND CLERK, WE HAVE EXCUSED ABSENCE FOR COMMISSIONER GIBBS , COMMISSIONER VANN AND COMMISSIONER HUFF.>>THANK YOU.>>AND CHARLIE IS ON HIS WAY IN. HE SAID HE MAY NOT, WASN’T SURE IF HE WAS GOING TO BE IN OR NOT. AND I’D ALSO LIKE TO STATE, LAST MONTH WHEN COMMISSIONER WHITELY WAS NOT WITH US THAT WAS DUE TO A HEART ATTACK AND HE JUST RECENTLY GOT OUT OF THE HOSPITAL AFTER 28 DAYS AND THANK YOU FOR BEING BACK WITH US.>>I’M WAITING FOR CHARLIE.>>>ARE THERE ANY ADJUSTMENTS TO THE AGENDA?>>GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. PAT YOUNG WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. I DO HAVE ONE ADJUSTMENT TO MOVE ITEM 8A, A RESOLUTION HONORING COMMISSIONER HOLLINGSWORTH FOR HIS SERVICE TO IMMEDIATELY FOLLOW THIS ITEM TO BECOME ITEM FIVE AND ALL OF THE OTHER ITEMS WOULD MOVE DOWN ACCORDINGLY. YOU CAN ALSO CERTIFY FOR THE RECORD ALL PUBLIC HEARINGS BEFORE YOU TONIGHT HAVE BEEN ADVERTISED IN IN ACCORDANCE TO THE REQUIREMENTS OF LAW AND ON FILE WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. THANK YOU.>>THANK YOU.>>YES.>>A SPECIAL REQUEST CONCERNING ITEM SIX ON THE AGENDA, THIS IS TC1500001, BECAUSE THIS IS AFTER WE HOLD THE PUBLIC HEARING ON THIS ITEM BECAUSE IT IS SUCH A LONG DOCUMENT WITH SO MANY CONSIDERATIONS I WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF WE COULD KIND OF GO THROUGH THAT PAGE BY PAGE AND CALL UPON COMMISSIONERS TO ASK THEIR QUESTIONS THAT WAY RATHER THAN TRY TO DISCUSS EVERYTHING AT ONE TIME AND HAVE PEOPLE FLIPPING BACK AND FORTH THROUGH THE DOCUMENT.>>OK.>>OK. ANY OTHER ADJUSTMENTS TO THE AGENDA. IF NOT COULD I GET A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE AGENDA.>>SO MOVED.>>ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE ADJUSTED AGENDA PLEASE LET IT BE KNOWN BY RAISING THEIR RIGHT HAND.>>WHO MADE THE SECOND ON THAT MOTION?>>THANK YOU.>>SO THE MOTION PASSES 10-0. SO IF I COULD HAVE COMMISSIONER HOLLINGSWORTH JOIN ME.>>SO MOST OF YOU DON’T KNOW BUT TONIGHT WILL BE COMMISSIONER HOLLINGSWORTH’S LAST NIGHT. HE HAS BETTER OPPORTUNITIES ELSEWHERE SO THIS IS HIS LAST NIGHT. SO BECAUSE THIS IS HIS LAST NIGHT THERE IS A RESOLUTION AND APPRECIATION OF MR. JOSHUA HOLLINGSWORTH. WHEREAS MR. JOSHUA HOLLINGSWORTH WAS A MEMBER OF THE DURHAM PLANNING COMMISSION FROM JUNE 2014 THROUGH NOVEMBER 2015 AND WHEREAS THE DURHAM PLANNING COMMISSION AND THE CITIZENS OF CITY AND COUNTY OF DURHAM HAVE BENEFITED FROM THE DEDICATED EFTS THAT HE DISPLAYED WHILE SERVING AS THE MEMBER OF THE DURHAM PLANNING COMMISSION AND WHEREAS THE COMMISSION DESIRES TO EXPRESS ITS APPRECIATION FOR THE PUBLIC FOR A JOB WELL DONE. AND NOW, THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED BY THE DURHAM PLANNING COMMISSION THAT THIS COMMISSION DO HEREBY EXPRESS ITS SINCERE APPRECIATION FOR THE SERVICES RENDERED BY MR. HOLLINGSWORTH TO THE CITIZENS OF THIS COMMUNITY THAT THE CLERK FOR THE COMMISSION IS HEREBY DIRECTED TO SPREAD THIS RESOLUTION IN ITS ENTIRETY UPON THE OFFICIAL MINUTES OF THIS COMMISSION AND THIS RESOLUTION IS HEREBY PRESENTED TO MR. HOLLINGSWORTH AS A TOKEN OF THE HIGH ESTEEM HEALTH FOR HIM ADOPTED THE 10th DAY OF NOVEMBER, 2015, DAVID HARRIS, THE CHAIR. [APPLAUSE]>>I JUST WANT TO SAY THANK YOU.>>CHAIRMAN I MOVE THE PREVIOUS RESOLUTION.>>SECOND.>>MOTION AND A SECOND TO PROVE TO APPROVE THIS RESOLUTION. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF THE PREVIOUS RESOLUTION LET IT BE KNOWN BY A SHOW OF YOUR RIGHT HAND. ALL THOSE IN OPPOSITION. IT PASSES 10-0. OK THE CHAIR WILL NOW HAVE OPENED THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR ZONING MAP CASE Z1500020. PARDON, OH, WE DID NOT. OK, I’M SORRY.>>EXCUSE ME, SIR, BEFORE WE OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING COULD WE GET A MOTION TO APPROVE THE MINUTES FROM THE LAST OCTOBER MEETING.>>MOVE TO APPROVE.>>WITH MUST KNOW SMALL MODIFICATION. I THINK ON THE UNDER NEW BUSINESS WE HAD A MOTION ABOUT THE LANGUAGE THAT WAS PRESENTED BY THE STATEMENT ON BEHALF OF THE COALITION FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND TRANSIT , IT SAYS THE DURHAM CITY COUNTY PLANNING COMMISSION SUPPORTS LANGUAGE PRESENTED AND I THINK WHAT WE WERE ACTUALLY VOTED ON WAS ADDING THE LANGUAGE PRESENTED TO THE TEXT AMENDMENTS AND SO I’D LIKE TO — ADDING AND THEN BETWEEN — TEXT AMENDMENTS.>>ANY DISCUSSION? ANY OTHER OBSERVATIONS ABOUT THE MINUTES?>>I JUST HAVE ONE SMALL ADJUSTMENTS. ON THE MEMBERS PRESENT FOR OCTOBER 2015 IT HAS MY NAME UNDER PRESENT AND UNDER ABSENT. I WAS ABSENT. [LAUGHS]>>I HAVE TWO COMMENTS. CHARLIE?>>MR. CHAIRMAN, MY NAME IS NOT UNDER MEMBERS. I WOULD LIKE IT TO BE ADDED AS I WAS PRESENT.>>OK. MADAM CLERK. OK. JOSH?>>I JUST WANTED TO MAKE ONE COMMENT ABOUT MY VOTE, IS THIS MIC ON?>>YES.>>I JUST WANTED TO MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT MY VOTE, I WAS JUST WANTING TO SAY I DO SUPPORT AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I GUESS IT WAS ONE OF MY COCK MAMMY NOTIONS, I WANTED THAT TO SORT OF STAND OUT AS SORT OF A MARKER AS WE HAVE REVIEWED FOUR PROPOSED TRANSIT HUBS SO FAR AND THERE ARE SOME OTHER ISSUES, OTHER DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE HAVE, THAT HAVE BEEN TALKED ABOUT AND WE’RE STILL NO FURTHER ALONG IN A SOLUTION AND I JUST WANTED TO VOICE MY SUPPORT FOR THAT, AFFORDABLE HOUSING, POVERTY, HOMELESSNESS, THEY’RE ALL IN THERE TOGETHER AND WELL I JUST WANT # TO VOICE MY SUPPORT FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING BUT I KNOW I CAN’T CHANGE MY VOTE BUT I DON’T WANT TO BECAUSE I STILL WANT IT TO STAND AS THAT SORT OF REMINDER. THANK YOU, SIR.>>OK. SO THE MOTION ON THE FLOOR IS TO APPROVE THE MINUTES WITH 24 CORRECTIONS MADE. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR LET IT BE KNOWN BY THE SHOW OF THEIR RIGHT HAND.>>IT’S UNANIMOUS, 10-0.>>OK, SO THE MOTION PASSED. NOW WE WILL OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR THE ROSE WALK CLUB BOULEVARD Z1500020.>>MR. CHAIRMAN, PAT YOUNG WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. I WANTED TO INTRODUCE KYLE TAYLOR, WHO IS PRESENTING THIS ITEM, A RECENT ADDITION TO OUR STAFF. HE IS ORIGINALLY FROM MOREHEAD CITY, WENT TO COLLEGE AT APP STATE AND RECENTLY PLANNING DIRECTION IN MORE CONSISTENTY WHISPER PINES AND WE’RE VERY HAPPY TO HAVE HIM WITH US AND I JUST WANTED TO INTRODUCE HIM BRIEFLY BEFORE I TURN THE FLOOR OVER TO KYLE.>>MY NAME IS KYLE TAYLOR, GOOD EVENING. AND I WILL BE PRESENTING Z 1500020 ROSE WALK CLUB BOULEVARD AND TO START OUT THE APPLICANT FOR THIS APPLICATION ISCULATOR JEWEL THAMES AND THIS PROJECT IS WITHIN THE CITY OF DURHAM. THE REQUEST IS TO REMOVE THE REQUESTING ZONING OF RESIDENTIAL RURAL 5 AND RESIDENTIAL RURAL 52 TO PDR10.8. THE SITE ACREAGE FOR THE PROJECT IS 5.59 AND THE PROPOSED USE OF THIS PROJECT IS FOR A FUTURE LAND USE RESIDENTS DEVELOPMENT. THE SITE IS LOCATE IN THE URBAN TIER ON WEST CLUB BOULEVARD BETWEEN NORTH DUKE STREET AND ROUGHTEN STREET WITH FRONTAGE ON WEST CLUB BOULEVARD AND NORTH DUKE STREET. THE SITE IS COMPRISED OF A TOTAL OF SEVEN PARCELS AND AN EXISTING RIGHT-OF-WAY. AND WE’LL GET BACK TO THE EXISTING RIGHT-OF-WAY HERE IN A MINUTE. THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT DOES MEET THE PDR STANDARDS AND HAS A PROPOSED DENSITY OF 10.8 DWELLING UNITS PER ACRE. THESE ARE THE EXISTING CONDITIONS ALTHOUGH THEY’LL BE A LITTLE HARD TO SEE UP THERE. ITS SITE IS HEAVILY WOODED AND IS VACFRONT THE MOST PART. THE ELEVATION DOES CHANGE FAIRLY DRAMATICALLY THROUGHOUT THE PROJECT AS A WHOLE AND THERE ARE TWO PARCELS THAT FRONTS ON WEST CLUB BOULEVARD THAT DO HAVE HOUSES ON THEM AND THOSE ARE 708 AND 710 WEST CLUB BOULEVARD. THIS IS THE PROPOSED CONDITIONS FOR THE SITE, AS YOU CAN SEE THE PROPOSED CONDITIONS ARE TWO SITE ACCESS ARROWS. THE LOCATION, THE APPROXIMATE LOCATION OF TREE PRESERVATION AREAS AND THE BUILDING AND PARKING ENVELOPES. OK. THE DEVELOPER HAS COMMITTED TO A COUPLE DIFFERENT THINGS. THE INTENSITY WITH A 10.8 DEVELOPING UNITS PER ACRE ON THIS SITE IS APPROXIMATELY 60 RESIDENTIAL UNITS #, THERE ARE TWO EXTERNAL SITE ACCESS POINTS THAT HE’S COMMITTING TO THE IMPERVIOUS SURFACE OF THIS IS NOT IN A WATERSHED OVERLAY DISTRICT. TREE COVERAGE IN THE URBAN TIER IS 3% AND SHARED ON THE PLAN. THE GRAPHIC COMMITMENTS FOR THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY ARE THE LOCATIONS TREE PRESERVATIONS AREASECTION LOS OF A GENERAL ACCESS POINTS AND BUILDING AND PARKING OUTLETS. DEVELOPER HAS PROVIDED ONE TEXT COMMITMENT AND THAT TEXT COMMITMENT IS THAT THE RIGHT-OF-WAY FOR SALLY STREET WILL BE LEGALLY CLOSED BEFORE THE ISSUANCE OF THE FIRST PRELIMINARY AND WE HAVE RECEIVED AN APPLICATION FOR THAT. THE DEVELOPER HAS GIVEN US A SET OF DESIGN COMMITMENTS FOR THIS PART OF THE PROPERTY. THESE INCLUDE ARCHITECTTURALLY STYLE, ROOF LINES AND BUILDING MATERIALS. THIS PROJECT DOES MEET THE, IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE FUTURE LANDUSE MAP, WHICH IS MADE IDENTIFIED AS MEDIUM DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. THE PLAN IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND OTHER ADOPTED POLICIES AND STAFF HAS DETERMINED THAT THIS REQUIREMENT/REQUEST IS CONSISTENT WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN APPLICABLE POLICIES AND ORDINANCES.>>THANK YOU. I HAVE SIX PEOPLE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. I HAVE FOUR PEOPLE SPEAKING IN FAVOR OF THE ITEM AND TWO PEOPLE SPEAKING AGAINST THE ITEM. THE FOUR PEOPLE SPEAKING IN FAVOR WILL HAVE TWO AND A HALF MINUTES EACH, THE TWO PEOPLE SPEAKING AGAINST WILL HAVE FIVE MINUTES EACH. SO THE FIRST PERSON SPEAKING IN FAVOR OF THE ITEM IS BILL ANDERSON.>>THANK YOU. I’M BILL ANDERSON OF 113 WEST MARKM. I REALLY CAME NOT TO SPEAK SO MUCH ABOUT THIS PARTICULAR PROJECT BUT TO GIVE YOU SOME GENERAL INFORMATIONISM I WANT YOU TO KNOW THESE POCKET NEIGHBORHOODS.>>EXCUSE ME, TWO AND A HALF MINUTES, PLEASE.>>I GET A LITTLE EXTRA. SO I WANTED YOU TO KNOW THESE POCKET NEIGHBORHOODS, I BELIEVE, ARE A WONDERFUL ALTERN ITIVE TO THE FOUR STORY APARTMENTS WE SEE GOING UP ALL OVER THEPLAY THIS IS THE WAY WE ACHIEVE SOME HIGH DENSITY AND SOME AFFORDABLE HOUSING PARTS OF IT. THERE IS AMAZING NUMBER OF INTERESTING COMPONE WANTS, WHICH THIS IS WHY I BROUGHT A COMMITTEE TOGETHER AT THE INNERNEIGHBORHOOD COUNCIL ABOUT SEVEN MONTHS AGO, BY VIRTUE OF COMMISSIONERS WHITNEY, COMMISSIONER HARRIS AND MILLLER YOU HAVE THIRTY TWO PAST PRESIDENTS ON YOUR BOARD OF THE INTERNET NEIGHBORHOOD COUNCIL AND THE CURRENT PRESIDENT, SO I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT WE FEEL THAT THE TIME TAKEN TO EXPLORE THIS NEW AVENUE OF BUILDING IN DURHAM WAS A WORTHWHILE VENTURE AND COMMISSIONER MILLLER HAS SERVED ON THAT COMMITTEE SINCE ITS BEGINNING AND THE APPLICANT HAS ALSO ATTENDED THESE MEETINGS, THE LAST HALF OF THEM. SO WE DIDN’T EVEN KNOW, I HAD NO IDEA THAT HE WAS PLANNING A N OPERATION OR PROJECT LIKE THIS. ANYWAY, I JUST WANTED TO COME TO YOU SO THAT ALL OF THE COMMISSIONERS WERE AWARE THAT THERE WAS DISCUSSION GOING ON AND WHILE I WON’T BE ABLE TO HELP MAKE YOUR DECISION TONIGHT I DO EXPECT THAT THAT COMMITTEE WILL RENDER SOME INFORMATION TO YOU THAT SHOULD MAKE THESE DECISIONS A LITTLE EASIER IN THE FUTURE. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.>>THANK YOU.>>WE HAVE A LITTLE SLIDESHOW HE’S GOING TO PUT IN AND I’LL TRY TO GO THROUGH IT AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE. IS THERE A BUTTON I PUSH. FORWARD KEY. WHICH IS THAT KEY, NUMBER EIGHT. OK. THANK YOU. MY NAME IS BOB CHAPMAN, I’M A REAL ESTATE DEVELOPER, I LIVER AT 2525 LINEAR PLACE, NORTH CAROLINA, I’VE BEEN IN DURHAM SINCE 1965. I’M DONE TWO PROJECTS IN THIS AREA, TRINITY HEIGHTS, AND RESTORATION AND ADOPTED USE OF JAUNTS MIXED-USE, HAD A PROJECT IN CHAPEL HILL CALLED WINMORE. I WANTED TO VERY QUICKLY SHOW YOU WHAT WE HAVE IN MIND. AM I CAUSING THAT? WHICH IS A VARIETY OF HOUSING TYPES AND HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES, WE’RE TALKING ABOUT ROW HOUSES BETWEEN FOUR AND EIGHT. 18 TO 36 COTTAGES, WHICH WILL BE SMALLER UNITS. 18 TO 36 SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES. OUR TARGET WOULD BE 27 AND THEN 8-12 PLEX UNITS, THAT TOTALS 70, WHICH IS ABOVE THE 60 YOU JUST HEARD BECAUSE WE’RE GOING TO BE THE FIRST PROJECT IN DURHAM TO SEEK THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING DENSITY BONUS, WHICH WOULD, THANK YOU. OUR GOAL IS TO HAVE A VARIETY OF HOUSING TYPES AND OPPORTUNITIES. I’M SHOWING YOU PICTURES BY OUR TOWN ARK TENTH, ARCHITECT. THAT’S MY SON IN THAT PICTURISM THESE ARE IN LEAPT, BUT THEY ARE PLACES THAT FACE PUBLIC GREENS. AND THE PUBLIC SPACES ARE FOR INTERACTIONS WITH NEIGHBORS AND PEACEFUL RELAXATION AND THE PUBLIC SPACES ARE REVEALED ALONG WHAT THE ARCHITECT CALLS LINES OF ENTICEMENT. FOLLOW A PATH THROUGH A GATE OR AROUND THE NEXT BEND. ALL IN ALL PUBLIC SPACES WORK WHEN THEY’RE BROUGHT ALIVE WITH ACTIVE ROOMS, PORCHES AND STEPS AND THE WHOLE PROCESS IS ABOUT, AGAIN TO QUOTE JEFF, IT IS ABOUT LIFE AND IT’S AS SIMPLE AS THAT. DO YOU FEEL ALIVE, ARE YOU MORE FULL OF YOURSELF? THAT’S IT. WE WANT TO BUILD A PLACE THAT YOU LOVE BEING IN, A PLACE THAT IS ABOUT THE SCALE OF SOCIALABILITY, WITH POCKET NEIGHBORHOOD CLUSTERS WITHIN A VILLAGE, IT’S ABOUT SUPPORTING THE CHIRP’S NEEDS AND COMMUNITY BY DESIGN. IF YOU VISIT THE THINGS THAT I’VE BEEN INVOLVED WITH IN THIS AREA YOU SEE WE PUT A LOT OF FOCUS ON ARCHITECTURE, QUALITY DETAILING AND SETTING A NEW STANDARD AND THESE ARE ALL DESIGNED BY LOU, WHO WILL BE DESIGNING THIS PROJECT. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. I APPRECIATE IT. I’M GOING TO TRY TO BACK THIS UP, I WANTED TO SHOW YOU WE WANTED TO GO AHEAD AND COMMIT TO THE DIVERSITY AND I DON’T KNOW HOW TO BACK IT UP. [LAUGHS] SO THERE WE GO. WE WANTED TO HAVE THIS ADDED TO THE APPLICATION, RIGHT, AS A COMMITTED ELEMENT THAT WE WILL HAVE THIS WIDE RISK OF TYPES AND THE TYPES WOULD BE ROW HOUSES, TOWNHOUSES, COTTAGES, SINGLE FAMILY AND INCLUDE RENTAL AND 10 UNITS WITHIN THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING DENSITY BONUS. THAT’S PRETTY MUCH IT. I RAN THROUGH THE SLIDES REALLY QUICKLY AND MY EXCITEMENT IS TO SET A NEW STANDARD TO CREATE A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE ENJOY, THAT PEOPLE ENJOY BEING, LIVING, INTERACTING AND EVERYBODY IN DURHAM ENDS UP BEING PROUD OF IT. I DO WANT TO INTRODUCE MY PARTNER IN THE PROJECT WHO IS ERIN LIEUBECK AND ERIN IS AN AUTHOR WHO DID THIS BOOK, GREEN RESTORATIONS, HE IS THE CO-FOUNDER OF TRINITY DESIGN BILL AND I’LL BE AVAILABLE FOR QUESTIONS LATER ON. THANK YOU VERY UP AM.>>THANK YOU.>>SHERIFF?>>MR. CHAIR, BEFORE YOU RECOGNIZE THE SPEAKER, I’M SORRY, I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THIS GETS ON THE RECORD BEFORE WE GO ANY FURTHER. THIS SLIDE THAT’S UP RIGHT NOW BECOMES A COMMITTED ELEMENT I THINK THE APPLICANT ELUDED TO THAT FACT. BE HAD NOT SEEN THIS PREVIOUS TO TODAY OR EVEN EARLIER TODAY, WE SAW IT THIS EKENING ALONG WITH YOU. WE CAN NOT INDEPENDENTLY VERIFY THAT THE CALCULATIONS OF DWELLING NEEDS IS CONSISTENT WITH THE DENSITY PROPOSED, BUT THIS IS COMMITTED. SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT’S CLEAR FOR THE RECORD. IT IS UNUSUAL BUT IT DOES HAPPEN. THE 2009 CHANGES TO THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN, PROVISIONS MAKE GRAPHICS PRESENTED TO YOU COMMITMENTS.>>THANK YOU. AND COMMISSIONERS UNDERSTAND.>>GOOD EVENING. I’VE KNOWN BOB CHAPMAN FOR OVER10 YEARS. I WORK WOULD HIM WITH DUKE UNIVERSITY’S INFIELD DEVELOPMENT PROJECT, WHICH ANYBODY YOU SPEAK TO WHO LIVES IN THAT AREA IN TRINITY HEIGHTS IS VERY, VERY PLEASED WITH THE IMPROVEMENTS AND THE QUALITY OF LIFE, CRIME GOING DOWN. SOME OF THE THINGS THAT HE’S NOT MENTIONED ARE THE CENTRAL PARK SCHOOL FOR CHILDREN AND HE’S ALSO DONE SUCCESSFUL PROJECTS IN ARKANSAS AND FLORIDA. THE LANDOWNER CONSIDERATION, IF YOU’VE EVER WALKED BY IT, AND I HAVE BECAUSE I DELIVERED NEWSLETTERS THERE, HAS A LARGE GULLY. IT’S NOT BROKEN APPLIANCES, IT’S GOT BROKEN FURNITURE, FULL OF GARBAGE, IT’S UNCOMFORTABLE TO WALK BY. I WOULD HAVE TO SAY THAT SAFETY, THE ENVIRONMENT BECAUSE OF THAT TRASH ARE DETRIMENT AND LIVING THERE 15 YEARS IN THE NORTH GATE PARK NEIGHBORHOOD I’D LOVE TO SEE SOMETHING GOOD DONE WITH IT. MR. CHAPMAN ALSO IS INCREDIBLY KNOWLEDGEABLE. HE USES PEOPLE WHO ARE EXPERTS IN LANDUSE IN LAND PLANNING, ARCHITECTS, WHAT HE CREATES ARE NEIGHBORHOODS AND THE NEIGHBORHOODS ARE WONDERFUL TO LIVE IN, THEY HAVE CULTURAL EVENTS SO NEIGHBORS KNOW NEIGHBORS, WHICH MAKES FOR MUCH SAFER PLACES TO LIVE AND I’M REALLY EXCITED ABOUT THIS PROJECT AND I HOPE IT GOES FORWARD, THANK YOU.>>LAURA LORA.>>MY NAME IS LAURA LAWTON. I LIVE AT 829 ONSLO STREET IN THE TRINITY HEIGHTS NEIGHBORHOOD. AS YOU’VE HEARD IT IS A WONDERFUL PLACE TO LIVE. I GOT TO KNOW HIM 14 YEARS AGO WHEN MY HUSBAND AND I PURCHASED A HOUSE THERE IN 2000 AND THE THING THAT, HE HAS MENTIONED THE WORD COMMUNITY YET AND THAT IS WHAT TRINITY HEIGHTS HAS CREATED FOR ME AND MY NEIGHBORS. THERE ARE 20 CHILDREN ON MY BLOCK ALONE AND THERE ARE SIX FAMILIES THAT HELP ONE ANOTHER TAKE CARE OF CHILDREN DRIVING THEM, SHARING BUTTER OR EGGS OR WHATEVER IT MIGHT BE, ANYBODY NEEDS TO– I’VE HAD A NEIGHBOR THAT’S TAKEN ME TO RESCUE A TEENAGER, A COUSIN STAYING WITH ME, WE JUST REALLY RELY ON EACH OTHER, I DIDN’T KNOW ANY OF THESE PEOPLE 14 YEARS AGO AND NOW THEY’VE BECOME REALLY GOOD FRIENDS OF MINE AND IT IS PART OF THE WAY HE’S CREATED A DEVELOPMENT. THE OTHER PIECE IS HE PAID ATTENTION IN THE DEVELOPMENT PROCESS WITH DUKE UNIVERSITY WHEN THE FOLKS THAT LIVE THERE, BECAUSE I ACTUALLY USED TO LIVE ON BERKELEY STREET AND WE WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE TREES AND THE GREEN SPACE THAT EXISTED IN THE FULL BLOCKS THAT WAS DEVELOPED THERE AND THEY PAID ATTENTION AND THEY CREATED TWO POCKET PARKS THERE THAT WE HAVE ABOUT SIX EVENTS IN EVERY YEAR. VARIOUS THINGS, EASTER EGG HUNTS, JUST BARBECUES, WE JUST HAD ONE CLOSING DOWN THE STREET AND IT IS THROUGHOUT THE WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD IT IS MULTI-GENERATIONAL. WE’VE GOT GRANDPARENTS, WE’VE GOT CHILDREN THERE AND IT IS THIS CONCEPT OF CREATING COMMUNITY IN A DENSE WAY IN THE CITY AND IT DOES IMPROVE THE CRIME, I LIVED ON BERKELEY STREET EARLIER IN THE 90s AND IT WAS A VERY DIFFERENT NEIGHBORHOOD THEN, SO I THINK THIS CAN ONLY IMPROVE DURHAM AND I AGREE WITH THE WHOLE CONCEPT POINT THAT WAS MADE ABOUT THE HIGH RISES GOING UP. I’D LIKE TO SEE MORE OF THIS STYLE OF DEVELOPMENT IN DURHAM THAN THE OTHER, SO THANK YOU.>>THANK YOU. ABBY MARTEL. FIVE MINUTES.>>GOOD EVENING. I’M ABBY BARTAL, 1611 RUSKEN STREET, WHICH THIS IS MY BACKYARD. SO I’VE ALWAYS KNOWN, I’VE LIVED THERE FOR 13 YEARS AND I’VE ALWAYS KNOWN THAT SOMETHING WOULD GO IN THERE BUT I HAD ALWAYS HAD DREAMS THAT IT COULD BE SOMETHING BETTER THAN WHAT I AM AWARE OF THIS PROJECT, FOR ONE ONE OF MY MAIN CONCERNS RIGHT NOW IS ITS EFFECT ON FORDHAM HOUSING IN DURHAM, WHICH IS CURRENTLY A PROBLEM IN OUR CITY. YES, I DID NOT KNOW THEY COMMITTED TO PERHAPS HAVING SOME AFFORDABLE UNITS, LAST I KNEW THEY WERE GOING TO BE OFFERING STUDIO APARTMENTS FOR $300,000. WE DON’T HAVE HOUSES AT THAT LEVEL, HOUSES, I LIVE IN A TWO BEDROOM, ONE BATH HOUSE THAT I BOUGHT 12 YEARS AGO FOR $100,000. THE VALUE OF IT HAS INCREASED AS DURHAM HAS INCREASED BUT IF IT BROUGHT MY HOUSE UP TO $250,000, THAT’S NOT REALLY AFFORDABLE FOR THE CITIZENS THAT CURRENTLY LIVE IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. I ALSO TAKE OFFENSE TO THE IDEA THAT THE AREA IS CRIME RIDDEN, I’VE NEVER HAD A CRIME OCCUR. I CAN WALK INTO THAT AREA, THERE IS NOTHING BACK THERE BUT TREES AND DEER AND THEN THE OCCASIONAL STRAY DOGS ITS OWNERS WERE SEARCHING FOR BUT I’VE NEVER HAD CRIME HAPPEN IN MY BACKYARD OR MY FRONT YARD. MY CHILDREN ARE ABLE TO PLAY IN THE STREET ON RUSKEN STREET WITH THE LATINO KIDS ACROSS THE STREET BUT THEY ATTEND SCHOOL WITH. ANOTHER CONCERN OF MINE REGARDING THIS PROPERTY IS ITS EFFECT ON THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL DISTRICTS. THAT DISTRICT IS WALK ZONES OR CLUB BOULEVARD. WALK ZONE BECAUSE IT IS AN AREA THAT HAS LOW INCOME FAMILIES. CLUB BOULEVARD CURRENTLY IS A PERFECT MIX OF 30, 30, 30, 30 AFRICAN AMERICANS, 30% AFRICAN AMERICANS, 30% LATINO KIDS AND 30% WHITE KIDS. MOST OF THOSE WHITE CHILDREN COME FROM THE MAGINANT LOTTERY WITH A FEW COMING IN FROM THE WALK ZONE. ADDITIONALLY THIS BRINGING IN 70 UNITS, PERHAPS SPEAKING OF FAMILY UNITS THOSE KIDS WOULD ATTEND CLUB BOULEVARD, CLUB BOULEVARD IS MAXED OUT ON SPACE. ABSOLUTELY MAXED OUT ON SPACE. THEY DON’T HAVE ROOM # TO PUT IN ANOTHER CLASSROOM OF CHILDREN, THEY ARE ALREADY SERVING 25, 27 KIDS IN FIFTH GRADE CLASSROOMS, THEY DON’T HAVE ANYMORE ROOM FOR THE STUDENTS IN THE WALKZONE, WHICH WOULD TELL ME THAT THE WALK ZONE WOULD BE POTENTIALLY ELIMIT NAKED OR THE MAGNET ELIMINATED, I I’M NOT SURE WHICH. AND I DID CHECK WITH THE FRONT OFFICE, WHO CHECK WOULD THE DISTRICT AND THE DISTRICT CONFIRMED THROUGH THE SECRETARY IT IS INDEED A BALKZONE FOR CLUB BOULEVARD. ANOTHER CONCERN OF MINE IS THE TRAFFIC, WHICH I DIDN’T REALIZE THERE IS ANOTHER EXIT. I WAS REALLY CONCERNED THERE WOULD BE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC INCREASE AT DUKE STREET AND CLUB BOULEVARD, SO I WOULD HOPE THAT THE OTHER EXIT ON TO DUKE STREET MIGHT ALLEVIATE THAT BUT I’D STILL BE CONCERNED ABOUT THE AMOUNT OFIVE TRA. DUKE STREET GETS REALLY BACKED UP AS CLUB BOULEVARD, I KNOW THAT BECAUSE I WALK THAT TWICE A DAY WITH MY SON, GOING TO AND FROM SCHOOL. SO THE TRAFFIC IS REALLY BACKED UP ON CLUB AND DUKE STREET BOTH. ANOTHER CONCERN IS THE DRAINAGE FROM THAT SITE, YOU’VE HEARD IT IS A GIANT RAVINE AND IT IS, WE CAN ONLY WALK 15 FEET FROM OUR PROPERTY LINE BEFORE IT DROPS OFF DEEP ENOUGH THAT WE’RE NOT ABLE TO WALK BACK THERE. SO I WOULD BE CONCERNED ABOUT HOW THAT WOULD EFFECT THE DRAINAGE OF THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOODS AND HOUSES. LASTLY A CONCERN OF MINE IS THE EASEMENTS, WHEN MY HUSBAND ASKED ABOUT THE EASEMENTS, HAVING JUST BUILT AN OUTSIDE EXTERIOR BUILDING IN OUR HOUSE WE WERE, WE HAD LEARNED WHAT THE EASEMENT REQUIREMENTS WERE FOR THE CITY AND WE HAD TO DO A, WHAT WAS IT A FIVE FOOT SETBACK OVER 8 FEET AND A 10-FOOT SET BACK FOR ANYTHING HIGHER THAN THAT OR 15 FEET, I’M NOT SURE WHICH. BUT WHEN WE SPOKE TO THE DEVELOPER ABOUT THAT THEY DIDN’T SEEM TO REALIZE THAT THE HOUSES WOULD HAVE TO BE SETBACK FAR FROM THE PROPERTYLINE. SO I JUSTANT WAKED TO CONFIRM THAT THOSE EASEMENTS ARE BEING RESPECTED IN REGARDS TO THE PROPERTY. ESPECIALLY KNOWING THAT THERE IS A GIANT RAVINE NOT TOO FAR FROM THAT PROPERTY LINE. SO THOSE ARE MY MAIN CONCERNS, JUST THE GENERAL OVERALL EFFECT ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHETHER 10 UNITS WOULD BALANCE OUT THE AMOUNT OF DECREASE AND AFFORDABLE UNITS IN NORTHSTATE PARK SO THEY’RE ALREADY IN CURRENTLY IN EXISTENCE. I HOPE YOU’LL TAKE THOSE CONCERNS INTO YOUR CONSIDERATION AND I THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.>>THANK YOU, BATINA.>>MY NAME IS BATEPEE CARPAZIAN MY HUSBAND AND I LIVE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PREVIOUS SPEAKER AND WE ARE ALSO CONCERNED ABOUT TRAFFIC FOR ONE, BECAUSE CENTS WE’VE LIVED THERE TRAFFIC HAD JUST CONTINUED TO GROW, ESPECIALLY WITH THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE HOTEL AND THERE ARE REGULAR ACCIDENTS OUTSIDE THAT STRETCH OF DUKE STREET AND BOTH OF MY NEIGHBORS ON ONE SIDE A CAR HAS GONE OFF THE ROAD ACTUALLY INTO THE HOUSE, THE SAME THING HAPPENED WITH A HOUSE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF US. SO TRAFFIC IS ONE AND THEN THE OTHER THING AGAIN IS WITH THE TOPOGRAPHY OF THE LAND WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT HOW CLOSE ANY BUILDINGS ARE GOING TO BE TO OUR BACKYARD. IT IS STEEP, THERE IS A CREEK BACK THERE AND WE’RE JUST VERY CONCERNED ABOUT HOW THIS IS GOING TO ENCROACH. I THINK BOTH THE TRAFFIC EXITS ARE GOING TO BE A PROBLEM, BECAUSE TRAFFIC DOES GET BUMP TO BUMPER ON DUKE STREET AND WEST CLUB BOULEVARD AND IF THE EXIT IS COMING DOWN ON TO DUKE STREET ALMOST DIRECTLY ON TO THE FREEWAY THAT SEEMS PRETTY DANGEROUS AND WE HAVE TO SIT THERE AT RUSHHOUR TIME SOMETIMES FOR 5-10 MINUTES TO EVEN BACK OUT OF OUR DRIVEWAY, SO I CAN SEE THIS IS GOING TO GET WORSE. SO IT’S NOT, I MEAN THE ALTERNATIVE IS WHERE I CAN BE FOR OR AGAINST, WE’RE NOT TOTALLY AGAINST BUT WE DO HAVE THESE CONCERNS AND I HOPE THEY’LL BE TAKEN INTO CONSIDERATION. IT IS NICE TO THINK THAT THIS IS CREATING A NEIGHBORHOOD BUT THERE ALREADY IS A VERY SMALL NEIGHBORHOOD THERE AND YOU KNOW I HOPE IT’S NOT GOING TO BE BUILT OVER OUR CONCERNS. THANK YOU.>>THANK YOU. ARE THERE OTHER MEMBERS IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM. ARE THERE OTHER MEMBERS IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM? IF NOT THE CHAIR WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK BEFORE THE COMMISSIONERS, DO WE HAVE COMMISSIONERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM. OK. COMMISSIONER WINDERS AND COMMISSIONER COMMISSIONER WIND ERS.>>TO START OFF LET ME JUST SAY I’M EXTREMELY EXCITED OF THE PROSPECT OF USING THE DENSITY BONUS AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS FOR MR. CHAPMAN WERE VERY IMPRESS IVE AND I THINK THERE IS GOING TO BE GREAT PROJECT. I’M NOT SURE IT’S QUITE THERE JUST YET, I THINK IT NEEDS SOME MORE WORK. BUT I HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. FIRST ABOUT THE ELEVATIONS. THE OTHER QUESTIONS, IT INCLUDES CITY-OWNED LAND AND I ASSUME THE LAND IS STILL OWNED BY THE CITY ACCORDING TO THE WHAT’S ON THE, IN THE MATERIAL S, YOU KNOW, WHAT’S ON THE WEBSITE AND EVERYTHING, THE CITY IS LISTED AS THE OWNER ON THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND FOR THE EXISTING CONDITIONS OR SOMETHING. SO I ASSUME THAT NOT ONLY DOES A STREET HAVE TO BE CLOSE BUT THE PROPERTY HAS TO BE ACQUIRED FROM THE CITY; IS THAT CORRECT?>>COMMISSIONERS WINDERS, PAT YOUNG WITH THE PLANNING. DA. HELP ME IF I GET THIS WRONG. THE ONLY THING THAT EXISTS ON THE PROPERTY THAT PERTAINS TO ANY CITY OWNERSHIP INTEREST IS THE UNOPENED RIGHT-OF-WAY OF THE FORMERLY SALLY STREET. IN THAT THE APPLICANT HAS COMMITTED THROUGH THIS PROPOSAL TO CLOSE THAT AND WHEN IT’S CLOSED UNDER THE STATE LAW AND STREET CLOSURES THE PROPERTY WOULD GO TO THE APPLICANT. SO REALLY AS LONG AS THE STREET CLOSING IS APPROVED BY COUNCIL THERE WOULD BE NO ISSUES AND THE DEVELOPMENT COULD NOT PERSEID UNLESS COUNCIL PRECEDES WITH STREET CLOSING.>> THAT IS EQUIVALENT TO PURCHASING THE LAND, CLOSING THE STREETS. OR ACQUIRING THE LAND. ACQUIRING THE LAND.>>IT HAS THE SAME OUTCOME THAT THE PROPERTY COULD BE USED BY THE APPLICANT.>>OK. AND ANOTHER QUESTION I HAVE WAS THE, YOU MENTIONED, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE EXTREME ELEVATIONS, IS THAT JUST A GULLY IN THE MIDDLE OR IS IT, AND IS THAT GULLY GOING TO BE FILLED IN AND IS IT SORT OF THE GERMLY SLOPING TOWARDS TOWARDS — GENERALLY SLOPING TOWARDS RUSKEN STREET?>>THE GULLY SLOPES FROM CLUB BOULEVARD DOWN TOWARDS I-85 AND WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH AND TALKING WITH ELDRY CREEK WATER SHED ASSOCIATION TO MAKE THIS A PILOT PROJECT FOR BEST PRACTICES. IT IS NOT A JURISDICTIONAL SCREAM AT THIS POINT. DURING VERY HEAVY RAINFALL CLEARLY THERE IS WATER IN IT BUT I SHOWED A PICTURE FROM ATLANTA WHERE THE STREAM WAS PRESERVED AS PART OF THE GREEN SPACE OR THE PUBLICIARA– PUBLIC AREA AND THAT’S OUR IDEA THAT WE OBTAIN AS MUCH OF THAT WONDERFUL TOPOGRAPHY FOR KIDS TO PLAY AND TAKE ADVANTAGE OF IT AND I THINK THE WHOLE DESIGN REALLY TAKES ADVANTAGE OF THE TOPOGRAPHY.>>I DIDN’T SEE ANY CARS IN THE PICTURES, WHERE ARE THEER CARS GOING TO GO AND WHAT ARE THESE GOING TO LOOK LIKE FROM THE BACK?>>WE’RE GOING TO HAVE A LOOP AROUND THE PROJECT AND EVERYTHING IS GOING TO HAVE A FRONT DOOR TO THE GREEN AND A BACK DOOR TO THE LAIN AND THE LAIN IS A LOOP LAIN AROUND. SIMILAR IN A WAY TO THE ALLEY’S WE DID AT TRINITY HEIGHTS WHICH HAVE AUXILIARY DWELLING UNITS, FLATS, GARAGE APARTMENTS ON THEM AND SO IT FITS AND WORKS WITH THE FIRE CODE. SO IN TRINITY HEIGHTS THE STREETS ARE THE BOUNDARIES RATHER THAN THE BACK YARDS OF THE HOUSES ON THE SURROUNDING STREETS, WHAT’S YOUR PLAN FOR CONNECTING THE EXISTING NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE NEW NEIGHBORHOOD. WELL I BELIEVE YOU AND I TALKED AND YOU ASKED TO HAVE A FENCE; IS THAT RIGHT? ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS, WE WANT TO CONNECT, WE WANT THE NEIGHBORS TO FEEL PART OF THE COMMUNITY TO THE EXAT THE POINT THEY WANT TO AND THEY ALSO WANT TO PUT UP A WOOD FENCE THAT’S FINE, WE’LL DO IT FOR THEM.>>SO THIS DENSITY, ACCORDING TO MY CALCULATIONS IS ABOUT THREE TIMES THE DEPSTY OF THE STREETS ON EITHER SIDE BECAUSE TAKING INTO ACCOUNT THAT YOU ARE FIGURING THE DENSITY ON THE TOTAL AREA WHICH CONCLUDES THE STREETS. IF YOU TAKE THAT ACRE OF STREET OUT OF THERE THE DENSITY IS EVEN HIGHER.>>IT IS 10.8 BY WAY OF COMPARISON TRINITY HEIGHTS WAS EIGHT, SO IT IS HIGHER THAN TRINITY HEIGHTS AND THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT THE LOTS OF TRINITY HEIGHTS WERE ON AVERAGE 50 FEET WIDE BY 150 FEET DEEP OR 130 FEET DEEP, EXCUSE ME, 140 FEET, 7,000 SQUARE FOOT LOTS. IN THIS PARTICULAR NEIGHBORHOOD THE PUBLIC AREA IS IN COMMON, IT IS A LARGE GREEN IN FRONT OF THE HOUSES SO THERE AREN’T THE INDIVIDUAL LOTS AND THAT’S A BIG DIFFERENCE. IT IS DEFINITELY WALKABLE AND COMPACT BUT WE’VE BEEN AND SHOWN PICTURES OF A LOT OF PLACES THAT ARE AT THE SAME DENSITY AND WE THINK THEY’RE DELIGHTFUL. THANK YOU.>>I SPENT MORE OF YOUR TIME.>>NO, IT WAS ONE ON THE CLOCK WHEN PAT HAD IT AND WHEN YOU SPOKE YOU HAD ABOUT 50 SECOND LEFT. COMMISSIONER?>>THANK YOU. I HAD TWO QUESTIONS. I’M ALWAYS VERY CONCERNED WHEN THE COMPLAINT RESIDENTS HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT NEW DEVELOPMENT AND I DID HEAR YOU ELUDE TO THE FACT THAT THERE HAS BEEN SOME DISCUSSION AND I DID ALSO HEAR FROM THE HOMEOWNER, THE CURRENT HOMEOWNER THAT THEY’RE NOT TOTALLY AGAINST THIS BUT SO THERE IS ROOM FOR ADDITIONAL DISCUSSION AND I’D LIKE TO KNOW, WILL THAT TAKE PLACE AND WILL THERE BE AN OPPORTUNITY FOR SOME ADDITIONAL INPUT, THAT’S ONE QUESTION.>>YES, MA’AM. WE’VE ACTUALLY ALREADY HELD TWO NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS, ONE WAS AT THE CLUB BOULEVARD SCHOOL AND THE OTHER WAS AT ONE OF THE CLUB HOUSES AND WE HAD AN ATTENDANCE OF PROBABLY 40-50 PEOPLE AT EACH EVENT AND WE’LL CONTINUE TO DO THAT, WE REALLY WANT EVERYONE TO HAVE AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE EXACTLY WHAT WE HAVE IN MIND AND MAKE SUGGESTIONS, WE’VE APPROACHED THE LEV CREEK ASSOCIATION AS I MENTIONED ABOUT A MODEL, STORMWATER MANAGEMENT PROGRAM AND WE WANT TO BE COMPLETELY TRANSPARENT. I THINK IT IS THE BEST WAY TO DO IT AND WE GET GOOD IDEAS THAT WAY.>>THANK YOU.>>AND I DO HAVE A SECOND QUESTION FOR YOU AS WELL. I’M ALSO EXCITED ABOUT THE USE OF THE DEPSTY BONUS AND I DO, WE’VE BEEN. [LOW AUDIO] LOOKING FORWARD FOR ITEMS TO COME TO US. MY QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH BECAUSE THERE IS A MIX OF ROW HOUSES AND COTTAGES AND SINGLE FAMILIES AND RENTALS WILL THIS BE A COVENANT COMMUNITY? AND IF SO IF YOUR PREVIOUS, THE TRINITY HEIGHTS IS THAT ALSO A COVENANT COMMUNITY?>>YES. WE PROBABLY ARE GOING TO HAVE TO HAVE A HOMEOWNER’S ASSOCIATION, WHICH I GUESS IS A CC&R COVENANTS AND CONDITIONS AND RESTRICTIONS. I PERSONALLY BELIEVE THOSE ARE OFTEN TOO PERSCRIPTIVE. I LIKE THEM TO BE MORE FLEXIBLE AND WHERE PEOPLE DON’T CALL A SPECIAL MEETING BECAUSE SOMEBODY’S CAT WAS SITTING IN THE WINDOW AND THAT KIND OF THING AND SO I THINK THE ONES THAT TRINITY HEIGHTS WORKED OUT VERY WELL, THEY HAVEN’T BEEN ONEROUS AND I’M SORRY ANOTHER PART OF YOUR QUESTION.>>THAT WAS THE OTHER PART OF IT, WHETHER OR NOT AND WHETHER THE PREVIOUS, YOU HAD SOME SUCCESS WITH OTHER COMMUNITIES AND THE QUESTION WAS WHETHER OR NOT THESE WERE COVENANT COMMUNITIES. WHENMORE ON CHAPEL HILL AND HIGH SCHOOL ROAD IS 214 UNITS. WE ACTUALLY HAD A VERY COMPLETE ARCHITECTTURALLY EFFECTTURAL REVIEW BOARD AND THAT’S WORKED OUT VERY WELL. AND BY THE WAY, WINMORE IS THE ONLY COMMUNITY IN THE CHAPEL HILL AREA THAT HAD INCLUSIONARY LOW-INCOME HOUSING TAX CREDIT APARTMENTS AND YOU CAN NOT TELL WHICH UNWITHS THEY ARE AND WE ALSO HAD THE CAR BUREAU SMALL CAR UNITS COMPLIED WITH AND THAT’S THE REASON WE’RE CALLLING THESE COTTAGES, BUT IT IS AFFORDABILITY BY SIZE, JUST AS BY MEASURE OF COMPARISON AT TRINITY HEIGHTS THE ONE BEDROOM EFFICIENCIES WE ACTUALLY SOLD THOSE FOR $35,000 AND I’M NOT SURE IF I LED SOMEBODY TO THINK IT WAS A $300,000 PRICE ON THAT I MUST HAVE EITHER DONE MY MATH WRONG OR SOMETHING BUT I DON’T THINK THAT IS SOMETHING WE’VE CONSIDERED AT ALL OR WE’D BE SUPPORTED BY THE MARKET. THANK YOU.>>COMMISSIONER MILLLER.>>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I HAVE A QUESTION OR TWO FOR STAFF. RIGHT NOW IS COTTAGE A DEFINED TERM OR A HOUSING TYPE CONTEMPLATED BY THE EBO.>>COMMISSIONER MILLLER, PAT YOUNG WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT, IT IS NOT.>>THANK YOU.>>IT IS A COMMITMENT WE’RE GOING TO HAVE TO WORK WITH THE APPLICANT TO ENSURE THOSE ARE ADEQUATELY DEFINED BY THE TIME THIS GOES TO COUNCIL.>>ALL RIGHT. ARE THERE MORE DESCRIPTIVE TERMS.>>WELL IT WOULD HAVE TO BE THESE PRECISE TERM AS COMMITTED IN FRONT OF THIS BODY, UNLESS THEY WANT TO GO BACK TO THE PLANNING COMMISSION, BUT THOSE WILL HAVE TO BE FURTHER DEFINEDDED IN ORDER FOR US TO CHARACTERIZE TO COUNCIL WHAT THOSE MEAN, BECAUSE THEY DON’T HAVE ANY DEFINITION OR MEANING TO US.>>AND FOR MR. CHAPMAN OR FOR MR. DASH– WELL FOR MR. CHAPMAN.>>YES, SIR, BOB, YOU AND I HAVE TALKED ABOUT THIS KIND OF DEVELOPMENT AT THIS PARTICULAR DEVELOPMENT AND I LIKE THE CONCEPT THAT YOU SHOWED US IN YOUR SEVERAL SLIDES AND I’M INTERESTED IN SEEING YOU IMPMENT ALLED HERE IN DURHAM BUT I HAVE TO TELL YOU I DON’T LIKE YOUR DEVELOPMENTEN LA, EVEN THOUGH I DO LIKE IT BETTER NOW YOU’VE INCLUDED A UNIT MIX AND I TRUST YOU’LL BE ABLE TO WORK OUT SOMETHING TO MAKE STAFF A LITTLE HAPPIER ABOUT IT AS IT MOVES FORWARD, IF IT MOVES FORWARD. WHEN YOU AND I SPOKE IT WAS VERY, VERY CONCERNED ABOUT BUFFERING THIS DEVELOPMENT FROM THE POTENTIAL NOISE AND VIEW PROBLEM PROPOSED BY THE 95 RIGHT-OF-WAY AND WANTED TO SEE SOMETHING IN YOUR DEVELOPMENT, SOME SORT OF COMMITMENT TO SHIELD THE RESIDENTS OF YOUR DEVELOPMENT FROM THAT VIEW AND MAYBE EVEN FROM THE NOISE IF YOU THINK DO IT, IS THERE SOMETHING YOU CAN PUT IN THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN TO IMPROVE THAT.>>WE TALKED TO DAN JEWEL AND HE BELIEVES THAT IF WE HAVE A PROBLEM AND WE’RE NOT ACTUALLY AJACEPT TO THE INTERSTATE, WE’RE AJACEPT TO THE ACCESS LANE AND THEN THERE IS A CLOVER LEAF LANE AND THEN THERE IS A HILL, YOU’RE NEXT TO THE RAMP.>>AND I’VE BEEN ON THE PROPERTY AND NOT ANNOYED BY THE SOUND IT. MAY BE A PROBLEM AND DAN BELIEVES THAT WE CAN USE A DENSE EVERGREEN VEGETATIVE BUFFERRER THAT HE HAS GONE AT A SOCCER COMPLEX IN KERRY I BELIEVE IT WAS IN RALEIGH THAT WAS VERY EFFECTIVE. I THINK I’D RATHER DO THAT THEN BUILD A BRICK WALL. THE BRICK WALL TO ME AND ANYWAY, I PREFER TO HAVE GREEN AND SO WE WILL DEFINITELY DO WHAT IT TAKES TO MAKE SURE NOBODY DOESN’T WANT TO LIVE THERE BECAUSE OF THE SOUND. THE BIGGEST ISSUE IS BIG TRUCK S THAT PULL THEIR BRAKES BUT I’M NOT HEARING THAT AS MUCH AS WE USED TO AND THEN THE MOTORCYCLES IMPACT, THE SCREAMS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT. AND BOTH OF THOSE THINGS I THINK WE CAN FOCUS ON AND THROUGH THE VEGETATIVE DENSE BUFFER.>>SO MY QUESTION REALLY IS THEN WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO PUT SOMETHING IN YOUR DEVELOPMENT PLAN COMMITTEE TO SOME SORT OF BUFF TO AT LEAST TAKE CARE OF THE UGLINESS OF THE VIEW REALIZING THAT COPING WITH THE SOUND EFFECTIVELY MIGHT, WITH ANYTHING OTHER THAN A WALL MIGHT BE POSSIBLE.>>ABSOLUTELY, I’D BE HAPPY TO DO VEGETARATIVE OFFER THAT IS DESIGNED TO BE DENSE ENOUGH TO HAVE A GOOD EFFECT ON SOUND MEDICATION ALSO. BUT WE DON’T KNOW EXACTLY HOW BIG OF A PROBLEM WE HAVE NOW, SO THE QUESTION IS WE TALKED ABOUT THIS AT LENGTH YESTERDAY, HOW DO WE KNOW WHAT THE ANSWER IS AND WE DON’T WANT TO CONVINCE THE WRONG ANSWER IN ADVANCE.>>I REALIZE THAT BUT I THINK YOU CAN MAKE A COMMITMENT THAT IS BROAD ENOUGH WITHIN THE TERMINOLOGY USED BY THE EDO IN TURNS OF DENSITY AND/OR CAPACITY OVER VEGETARATIVE BUFFER THAT WOULD PAST MUSTER AND I WOULD REALLY LIKE TO SEE THAT IN THERE. I WOULD HATE TO HAVE YOU BUILD THIS AND THEN HAVE YOUR RES DEPENDENTS AFTERWARDS COMPLAINING. YOU’VE SAW THIS AS SET AG STANDARD, IF PIER GOING TO SET A STANDARD HERE AND I HOPE WE WILL, I HOPE WE SET A HIGH ONE SO THAT THE PEOPLE WHO COME LATER WILL SAY THIS IS AN IDEA WE LIKE, OR THAT’S THE ONE WHERE NOBODY WANTED TO BUY IT BECAUSE IT WAS SLAM UP AGAINST THE INTERSTATE. SO THAT’S WHAT I’M LOOKING FOR.>>AND I’LL REFER TO THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT.>>GOOD CONVERSATION. DAN JEWEL WITH COULTER JEWEL THAMES. I THINK WE CAN CRAFT AN EVERGREEN UFBER DENSITY THAT’S SOMEWHAT HYPH– HIGHER THAN THE PRESCRIPTION ONES. IF YOU’RENER WITH THE DIFFERENT PRESCRIPTIONS OF OPACITY AND THE ONE THAT BOB REFERRED TO THAT WE DID ABOUT 10 YEARS AGO, YOU DRIVE BY THERE NOW YOU CAN’T SEE WHAT’S GOING ON THE OTHER SIDE, YOU CAN’T HEAR WHAT’S GOING ON THE OTHER SIDE. WE CAN WORK WITH STAFF AND COME UP WITH A TOTAL EVERGREEN BUFFER, LARGELY EVERGREEN TREES AND WAX MYRTLES AND ING THESS LIKE THAT, MAYBE EVEN SOME BERMING, WE CAN COMMIT TO THAT BECAUSE CERTAINLY WE’RE GOING TO BE MOVE AG LITTLE DIRT AROUND, BUT WE CAN COMMIT TO SOMETHING THAT’S AT THE HIGHER CAPACITY THAN EVEN REQUIRED BY THE DURHAM, REQUIRED BY THE UDO AND WE’RE HAPPY TO COMMIT TO THAT. MAYBE THAT WOULD BE THE LANGUAGE TO COMMIT TO A TYPE EVERGREEN BUFFER THAT IS IN EXCESS OF THE CURRENT UDO REQUIREMENTS FOR A LANDSCAPE BUFFER. THANK YOU.>>AND THEN ONE LAST QUESTION IF I MAY, MR. CHAIRMAN.>>YES.>>FOR MR. CHAPMAN. THE MOST ATTRACTIVE THING ABOUT THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT AND YOU SHOWED IT IN YOUR SEVERAL SLIDES TO US WAS THIS NOTION OF COMMON GREENSPACE AND RATHER THAN GIVING EVERY HOUSE A FRONT YARD AND A BACKYARD WE MIGHT MOVE THE HOUSES CLOSER AND GIVE THEM COMMON AREAS AND WE DON’T HAVE A COMMITMENT TO THAT EVEN THOUGH I KNOW IN YOUR HEART THAT’S WHAT YOU WANT TO BUILD. WHAT I’D LIKE TO DO IS IF WE’RE GOING TO ALLOW 60 OR EVEN 70 UNITS IN TO A SMALLER SPACE IN THIS NEIGHBORHOOD I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME SORT OF COMMITMENT FOR THAT COMMON GREEN SPACE AND I WAS WONDERING IF YOU COULD CONSTRUCT THAT, A COMMITTED ELEMENT FOR THAT IN THIS DEVELOPMENT PLAN AND STILL GIVE YOU THE FLEXIBILITY THAT YOU NEED IN ORDER BUILD THE DEVELOPMENT. I’M NOT LOOKING FOR A FOOTPRINT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.>>YES, THE CONCEPT OF THE PLAN ALL ALONG IS, AS BOB BROUGHT TO US OVER A YEAR AGO, I DON’T THINK IT WOULD BE A STRETCH TO COMMIT TO SAY THAT THE HOUSES, THE MAJORITY OF THE HOUSES, THE MAJORITY OF THE UNITS, NOT ALL OF THEM BECAUSE THERE BILL BE PERIPHERY CORNERS AND WE WOULD LIKE TO DO A FEW THINGS OUT ON CLUB BOULEVARD SET UP AN EDGE AND A PRECEDENT AND MAKE IT A COMFORTABLE THING TO WALK BY, BUT I THINK WE COMMIT TO A MAJORITY OF THE HOUSES TO BE ORIENTED AROUND A COMMON GREEN SPACE OF SOME KIND.>>WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO CRAFT SOME SORT OF COMMITTED ELEMENT THOUGH FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT PLAN GOING FORWARD THAT WOULD DESCRIBE THAT WITH SUFFICIENT FLEXIBILITY FOR YOU ACCOMPLISH YOUR DEVELOPMENT?>>YES, I GUESS IS THERE A SUGGESTION FOR SOMETHING BEYOND WHAT I’VE STATED, THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE UNITS WOULD BE ORIENTED — .>>NO, NO, I LIKE WHAT YOU STATED JUST ARE YOU WILLING TO MAKE IT A COMMITTED DEVELOPMENT?>>YES,. LATE NIGHT IN CHAPEL HILL LAST NIGHT.>>MR. CHAIR AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMISSION, AS YOU ARE PROBABLY AWARE WE TALKED UBTHIS RECENTLY THE PLANLING DIRECTOR HAS A GUIDELINES THAT HE’S ASKED US TO ADHERE TO STRICTLY AS POSSIBLE, WHICH IS NOT TO ACCEPT COMMITMENTS OR NOT RECOMMEND ACCEPTANCE OF COMMITMENTS THAT WE HAVE NOT REVIEWED OR VETTED IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR FORM, WHICH IS THE CASE WITH EVERYTHING SO FAR TONIGHT. WHAT’S BEFORE YOU SHEER PROBLEMATIC BECAUSE OF THE DEFINITION, BUT WE’RE WILLING TO ACCEPT IT. I WOULD NEED THE APPLICANT TO RESTATE ANYTHING COMMITTED THERE PREVIOUSLY IN A WAY THAT WE CAN ENSURE THAT WE HAVE EXPLICIT LANGUAGE AND TRYING TO MAKE A DETERMINATION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT IT IS SOMETHING WE CAN ACCEPT OR REQUEST A CONTINUANCE OF THIS ITEM TO REVIEW THESE. UNLESS YOU ALL WANT TO STIPULATE THESE ARE THINGS MADE SUBSEQUENT TO COM, WISHED THEY WOULDN’T BE BINDING WITH YOUR ACTION, THAT’S AT YOUR DIGRESSION BUT WE WOULD NEED ONE OF THOSE THINGS TO HAPPEN # #. AND A POINT OF INFORMATION, BECAUSE THIS IS IN THE URBAN TIER IT IS ADJACENT TO RESIDENTIAL, THERE IS NO UDO REQUIRED BOUNDARY BUFFER, SO AGAIN THE BUFFER I WOULD NEED TO BE SURE I UNDERSTAND THE PRECISE LOCATION AND THE STANDARD, ABOVE ORDINANCE MINIMUM MEANS ONE TREE LEGALLY AND THEN I DIDN’T EVEN HEAR THE LAST ONE. SO HELP ME, I GUESS ADDRESS PRIMARILY OF THE APPLICANT BUT YOU ALL HAVE THE DIGRESSION TO DECIDE.>>AND YOU HAVE LANGUAGE.>>YES. TO THE ONE ABOUT THE BUFFER, MR. YOUNG WOULD IT BE APPROPRIATE TO SAY THAT ALONG THE NORTHERN INTERSTATE 85 RIGHT-OF-WAY FRONTAGE OF THE PROPERTY WE WILL INSTALL A CONTINUOUS TIGHT EVERGREEN SCREEN CONSISTING OF ACCOMMODATION OF EVERGREEN TREES AND SHRUBS THAT WOULD ACHIEVE A 90% OPACITY WITHIN 10 YEARS OF THE TIME OF PLANTING. IT DOES TAKE TIME FOR PLANTS TO GROW UP AND I THINK WE CAN ACHIEVE THAT. SO IS THAT AN APPROPRIATE LANGUAGE FOR A COMMITTED ELEMENT. AND OF COURSE YOU’LL HAVE TO RELY ON A LAPPEDSCAPE ARCHITECT TO TELL YOU HOW FAST THOSE TREES WILL GROW, BUT I KNOW YOU HAVE A FEW ON YOUR STAFF. #.>>AND WILL THE TREES GROW BY THEMSELVES?>>HOLD ON COMMISSIONER.>>M IER NOT WILLING TO RECOMMEND THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTED WITHOUT FURTHER REVIEW BY STAFF. NOW ALL HAVE THE DIGRESSION TO ACCEPT IT, BUT THAT’S NOT SOMETHING, I DON’T KNOW IF THAT’S, MR. JOEL, I RESPECT GREATLY AS A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT BUT I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT ABOUT THE WORD TIGHT MEANS, I DON’T KNOW WHAT THE VIABILITY OF THE TREES AND THE OPACITY ARE, THERE IS JUST A LEVEL OF DUE DILIGENCE THAT SEEMS WARRANTED BEFORE WE RECOMMEND YOU CAN ACCEPT IT, YOU CAN STILL ACCEPT IT OR YOU CAN ASK THIS BE HANDLED WITH STAFF PRIOR TO COUNCIL’S CONSIDERATION, AGAIN AT YOUR DIGRESSION.>>COMMISSIONER MILLLER,.>>BUT WERE WE TO KFOR A 60 DAY DELAY YOU WOULD HAVE TIME TO VET THESE PROPOSED COMMITTED ELEMENTS TO YOUR SATISFACTION.>>WE WILL REVIEW THE COMMITTED ELEMENTS THAT ARE SENT TO US BY THE APPLICANT, IF THERE IS NO ACTION TAKEN WE’RE GOING TO RELY ON THE APPLICANT TO SEND THOSE TO US. WE WILL CERTAINLY REVIEW THOSE AND PROVIDE FEEDBACK TO THE APPLICANT PURSUANT TO THE DEPARTMENTAL STANDARDS, WHICH AGAIN ARE SEVERAL DAYS IN ADVANCE OF EACH HEARING.>>IF I COULD IN LOU OF A DEFERRAL I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER ALTERNATE LANGUAGE, WHICH PERHAPS IS MORE IN KEEPING WITH THE DEFENSE ABILITY OF THE UDO. YOU’RE RIGHT, TIGHT IS A SUBJECTIVE TERM THAT WE WILL PROVIDE AN EVERGREEN BUFFER THAT HAS 25% MORE PLANT MATERIAL THAN THE MOST INTENSE BUFFER SHOWN IN THE UDO.>>I THINK THAT IS A FAIRLY PERSCRIPTIVE.>>STAFF?>>I DON’T KNOW IF THAT’S PRACTICAL. IF YOU ALL WANT TO ACCEPT IT YOU CAN ACCEPT IT BUT WE’RE NOT GOING TO REVIEW IT BY STAFF.>>LET ME JUST ASK COMMISSIONERS, ANYONE HAVE A PROBLEM BETHE DEVELOPER WORKING WITH STAFF BETWEEN NOW AND THE TIME THEY PRESENT IT TO THE COUNCIL TO WORK OUT THE COMMITTED ELEMENTS? OK. THE SECOND ONE WAS ABOUT THE COMINARY. THE CHAIRED COMMON AREA.>>SO LET ME GIVE THAT ONE A BETTER DESCRIPTION AS WELL, ALTHOUGH THIS IS SOMETHING THAT’S NOT IN THE UDO AT ALL SO WE’RE MAKING THIS OUT OF OLD CLOTH AND I EXPECT WE’LL GET THE SAME CONCERNS OVER STAFF AND THAT IS THAT THE MAJORITY OF THE SINGLE FAMILY UNITS WILL BE ORIENTED IN A LOOPED CONPHYSICIAN AROUND A COMMON GREENSPACE. NOW THERE IS A LOT OF SUBJECTIVITY TO LOOPED, TO COMMON GREEN SPACE, THAT SORT OF THING, BUT PERHAPS IN THE SAME SPIRIT WE COULD WORK WITH STAFF ON A LANGUAGE THAT IS SATISFACTORY TO THEM AS BEING DEFENSIVE AND UNENFORCEABLE. I THINK THAT’S WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO.>>OK. DO WE HAVE ANY COMMISSIONERS THAT WOULD HAVE ANY OBJECTIONS TO THE DEVELOPER AND THE STAFF WORKING TOGETHER COME UP WITH LANGUAGE FOR THE SENDING COMMITTED ELEMENT?>>I JUST WANT TO SAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, I APPRECIATE THE DEVELOPER’ OPEN WILLINGNESS AND I BELIEVE THEY WILL COME UP WITH THE BEST LANGUAGE PHENE NOW AND THE TIME THIS GOES TO COUNCIL.>>COMMISSIONER FREEMAN.>>I FIRST WANTED TO MENTION THAT. [LOW AUDIO] APOLOGIZE FOR BEING LATE THIS EVENING, I’M RUNNING LATE FROM WORK, BUT I KIND OF HAVE TO EAT MY WORDS IN THAT I DIDN’T THINK THE DENSITY BONUS WOULD BE USED AND I’M EXCITED THAT IT IS AT THIS POINT AND I’M OK WITH THAT. IT IS EASY TO SUPPORT THIS DEVELOPMENT AND THAT IT IS WORKING TOWARDS A COMMUNITY BY DESIGN IN THAT — DENSITY BONUS. I REALLY WANTED TO ASK STAFF HOW YOU WOULD EVEN ADDRESS THE CONCERNS OF THE HOMEOWNER AROUND SCHOOL WALKABILITY, LIKE THAT KIND OF THROUGH ME, SORE I DIDN’T KNOW IF THERE WAS SOMETHING WE COULD SAY OR DO.>>COMMISSIONER FREEMAN, PAT YOUNG WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. THE ANALYSIS WE PROVIDED HERE IN YOUR STAFF REPORT IS WHAT WE WERE ASKED TO DO SOME TEN YEARS AGO WITH THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, WHICH IS LOOK AT THE CAPACITY OF THE SCHOOL RELATIVE TO THE ENTIRE PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM. AND THAT’S WHAT WE PROVIDED AND WHAT THE PROPORTION IS THE CAPACITY. THE SCHOOL SYSTEM WAS VERY ADAMANT AT THE TIME WE NOT LOOK AT IT BY A SCHOOL BY SCHOOL BASIS BECAUSE THEY OBVIOUSLY HAVE FLEXIBILITY AS ONE OF THE OPPONENTS SPOKE TO TO MAKE ADMINISTRATIVE CHANGES ABOUT HOW THEY ASSIGN SCHOOL ASSIGNMENTS. SO ALL WE COULD REALLY SAY IS IT MEETS OUR POLICY FOR REGARDING OVERALL CAPACITY TO THE SYSTEM AND WE DON’T HAVE ADDITIONAL INFORMATION ABOUT MAGNA STATUS OR CHANGES IN THAT REGARD.>>AND ALSO TO THE RESIDENT THAT BROUGHT THAT CONCERN I WOULD BE WILLING TO WORK WITH YOU ON ANY SCHOOL BOARD, YOU KNOW LIKE MAKING SURE THAT YOU’RE WALK ZONE WOULD NOT CHANGE OR ANYTHING. I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT CONCERN IS WHAT I’M GETTING AT. WHERE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE YOU KNOW THAT. AND THEN ALSO FOR THE OTHER RESIDENT’S CONCERN ABOUT, I COULDN’T QUITE UNDERSTAND IF YOU WERE SAYING THERE WAS A DROP OFF BEHIND YOUR HOUSE?>>IF YOU’RE GOING TO TALK PLEASE GO TO THE MICROPHONE; THIS IS BEING TELEVISED SO THE PUBLIC NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO HEAR WHAT YOU’RE SAYING.>>YES. OUR HOUSE, WE’RE 1620 NORTH DUKE STREET AND OUR BACK GARDEN GOES DOWN TO THE BOTTOM OF THE RAVINE AS IT’S BEEN DESCRIBED.>>OK.>>THANK YOU. COMMISSIONER BUZBY.>>THANK YOU, CHAIR. FIRST OF ALL, I COMMEND YOU FOR MOVING FORWARD WITH USING THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING BONUS, THAT’S VERY EXCITING FOR DURHAM. I HAD, FIRST A QUESTION FOR STAFF. I WAS CONFUSED WHEN I LOOKED AT THE SCHOOL IMPACT INFORMATION AND I AGREE WITH COMMISSIONER HYMAN WHENEVER THERE ARE NEIGHBORHOOD CONCERNS RAISED I WANT TO UNDERSTAND THOSE. IN THE STAFF REPORT ON PAGE 10 SAYS THAT THIS DEVELOPMENT WOULD SERVE THE GLENN ELEMENTARY SCHOOL AND IT IS WITHIN THE WALKZONE FOR CLUB BOULEVARD, SO NUMBER ONE I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE WE HAD CLARITY AROUND THAT SPECIFIC POINT AND THEN I WAS ALSO INTERESTED IN GETTING A SENSE OF WOULD THERE BE ADDITIONAL IMPACTS TO THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL BY GOING FROM 60 UNITS TO 70 UNITS.>>NITIONER BUZBY, PAT YOUNG WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. AS YOU’RE PROBABLY ABARE THE WALKZONE IS KIND OF AN OPTION, A GUARANTEED OPTION WHERE THE WALKZONE EXISTS, I BELIEVE WHAT’S REPRESENTED HERE THEY ARE THE BASE ASSIGNMENT DISTRICTS TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE. COULD YOU REPEAT YOUR SECOND QUESTION?>>I’M JUST WONDERING ABOUT ANY, THIS IS SPECULTEN BUT THIS WAS BASED ON 60 UNITS CORRECT AND WHAT MIGHT THE CHANGE BE MOVING TO 70 UNIISN’T.>>WE WOULD HAVE TO EVALUATE THAT. AS I MENTIONED EARLIER THIS IS THE FIRST WE HEARD OF THE POTENTIAL UTILIZATION OF THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING DENSITY, THAT WOULD CHANGE BOTH THE ASSUMPTIONS AND TOTAL NUMBER OF UNITS, SO WE WOULD HAVE TO CALCULATE THAT, I JUST DON’T HAVE THOSE AT THE READY. IN ALL FAIRNESS TO THE APPLICANT PRETTY MODEST TO ADDITIONAL TWO UNITS, PROBABLY A FRACTION OR ONE STUDENT PER LEVEL.>>GREAT. THANK YOU. AND THEN I DID HAVE A QUESTION FOR MR. CHAPMAN AS WELL. I KNOW YOU TALKED ABOUT THE DESIGN OF THE TRAFFIC WITHIN THE DEVELOPMENT SITE ITSELF, COULD YOU TALK ABOUT THE DEVELOPMENT OR THE TRAFFIC WHEN THE DEVELOPMENT MEETS CLUB BOULEVARD AND I ASK BECAUSE I KNOW THAT INTERSECTION CAN GET QUITE BUSY, I’M HAVING A HARD TIME IMAGINING ANYONE ABLE TO MAKE A LEFT TURN OUT OF THAT DEVELOPMENT ON THE CLUB AND HEADING EAST DURING RUSH HOUR.>>THERE IS A CITY STREET ACROSS, THERE IS AN INTERSECTION WHERE OUR ENTRY STREET, WHAT IS THE NAME OF THE STREET, WOODLAND STREET IS DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET AND THOSE INDIVIDUALS DO MAKE A LEFT TURN TO CLUB. CLEARLY WE’RE GOING TO DESIGN IT SO THAT THE TRAFFIC AND TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT IN DURHAM IS HAPPY AND HAVE TO DO WHAT THEY RECOMMEND. DID I ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. WE HAVE NOT GOTTEN THAT FAR YET.>>RIGHT. OK.>>THANK YOU, SIR.>>COMMISSIONER GIBBS.>>JUST A UP CANAL COMMENTS JUST A COUPLE COMMENTS, THE AFFORDABLE UNIT NOT WITHSTANDING, COULDN’T SEE THAT COMING AND I GUESS THIS SORT OF GOES ALONG WITH MY COMMENTS EARLIER ABOUT MY VOTE LAST MEETING. THIS IS ONE OF THE WAYS THAT WE CAN ACCOMPLISH AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND THAT IS BY THE COOPERATION AND THE CONTRIBUTING WITHOUT PRIDING FROM ANYBODY AND I APPRECIATE THAT. I HAD BEEN WAITING FOR THIS KIND OF DESIGN, IT IS ONE WAY TO ACHIEVE. AND I WAS TALKING ABOUT THE COMMON GREENSPACE, IT IS ONE WAY TO ACHIEVE DENSITY WITHOUT THE SHOTGUN DESIGN AND HAVE GREEN SPACE. I REALLY LIKED YOUR PRESENTATION ON SOME PRIOR DEVELOPMENTS AND I THINK THIS CONCEPT IS SOMETHING, IT’S ONE OF MY FAVORITE DESIGN CONCEPTS AND IT CAN BE APPLIED NOT ONLY IN THE CITY BUT IN THE COUNTY BECAUSE I THINK IN THE FUTURE WE ARE GOING TO HAVE MORE AND MORE COMPACT DESIGNS, COMPACT UNITS. I MAY BE MISUSING SOME OF THE TERMS THAT I’LL SAY, BUT I DON’T KNOW ANOTHER TERM FOR IT RIGHT NOW BUT HAVING SAID ALL OF THAT I DO HAVE CONCERNS WITH WHAT THE RESIDENTS HAVE BROUGHT UP AND WE’VE BEEN THERE BEFORE, AT LEAST I HAVE, AND A COUPLE OF DEVELOPMENTS, I’VE CONTACTED THE SCHOOL SYSTEM, DOES THE SCHOOL SYSTEM EVERY WEIGH IN, OR AT SOME POINT IN THE PROCESS WILL THEY WEIGH IN ABOUT WHAT, WELL YOU NEVER KNOW HOW MANY KIDS ARE GOING TO BE LIVING THERE FOR ONE THING BUT HOW IT’S GOING TO POSSIBLY IMPACT CLUB BOULEVARD AND I CAN UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN OF BEING WITHIN WALKING DISTANCE # OF CLUB BOULEVARD BEING, HAVING TO BE BUZZED THROUGH WHAT, GLENN SCHOOL. ANYWAY THAT AND THE SEEMINGLY EXCESSIVE SLOPE, I DYSTILL DON’T KNOW HOW THAT’S GOING TO BE HANDLED AND THAT’S SOMETHING I GUESS COULD BE DONE AS PART OF CARRYING THIS FORWARD FOR THE CITY COUNCIL AS YOU WERE SUGGESTING EARLIER, MR. CHAIRMAN. BUT THOSE ARE MY CONCERNS, THANK YOU.>>I JUST HAD ONE QUESTION. IMPERVIOUS SURFACE AREA, 100%, THIS IS THE ELBEAN CREEK WATERSHED WHICH IS A TRIBUTARY TO THE UPPER NEWS RIVER BASIN. IS THAT AN ACCURATE STATEMENT?>>MR. CHAIR, PAT YOUNG WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. WHAT I BELIEVE TO BE THE CASE THAT THIS PART OF THE COMMUNITY IS NOT WITHIN A PREAT THE POINTIVE WATERSHED WHICH IS THE LIMITATION ON MAXIMUM IMPROVEIOUS SURFACE. STILL OF COURSE REQUIREMENTS TO TREAT STORMWATER AND QUALITY BUT NOT LIMITATIONS AND THE APPLICANT IS WITHIN THEIR RIGHTS FOR REQUESTING UP TO 100% IMPERVIOUS.>>ANY OTHER QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, CONCERNS? IF THOUGHT THE CHAIR WILL NOW ENTERTAIN A MOTION.>>MR. CHAIRMAN I WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION.>>YOU MAY.>>MR. CHAIRMAN IN REGARDS TO CASE Z1500020 THE ROSE WALK DEVELOPMENT PROPOSED BY THESE DEVELOPERS I MOVE THAT THE DURHAMEN PLAING COMMISSION SEND THIS FORWARD TO THE DURHAM CITY COUNCIL WITH A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION PROVIDED THAT FOR THE DEVELOPMENT PLAN CONTAIN A COMMITTED ELEMENTS SATISFACTORY TO THE STAFF, THAT INCLUDE THE CHARTER DIVERSITY OF HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES, THAT THE DEVELOPERS PRESENTED TO US TODAY AND A COMMITTED ELEMENT CONCERNING NOISE AND HUMID MITIGATION ALONG THE BOUNDARY OF I-95 SIMILAR TO THE COMMITMENTS MADE BY THE LANDUSE PLAN FOR THE DEVELOPER AND THAT THE LAST COMMITTED ELEMENT THAT WE WOULD ADD WOULD BE THAT THE DEVELOPMENT INCLUDED SHARED COMMON GREENSPACE WITH ACCESS TO THE PERCENTAGE OF UNITS DESCRIBED BY THE DEVELOPER’S LAND PLANNER. THAT’S THE END OF MY MOTION.>>SECOND.>>THE MOTION BY COMMISSIONER MILLLER, SECOND BY COMMISSIONER FREEMAN. WE WILL HAVE ROLL CALL AS WE GO. [ROLL CALL]>>11-0 CARRIES.>>ALL RIGHT. SO THE MOTION PASSES.>>THANK YOU VERY, VERY MUCH. IT HAS BEEN A REAL OPPORTUNITY.>>THE CHAIR ASKED AND WE’LL GRANT A 5 MINUTE RECESS. WE’RE GOING TO RECONVENE OUR MEETING AND OPEN THE PUBLIC HEARING FOR TC1500001.>>GOOD EVENING, SCOTT WIDEMAN FOR THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT ATTEMPTING TO PLAY THE ROLE OF MICHAEL STOCKS THIS EVENING. ATTEMPT. THIS IS CASE TC150001, OMMY BUS CHANGES 9. MINOR CHANGES TO THE UDO. IN THIS PARTICULAR BATCH WE HAVE FIVE CATEGORIES OF CHANGES, ONE IS TO CHANGE THE WATER QUALITY WITH THE STATE, THE SECOND IS TO REVIVE THE PROCEDURES FOR THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION AND THE INITIATION’S HISTORIC DISTRICTS. THIRD IS NECESSARY CORRECTIONS AND CLARIFICATIONS, SUPER ADMINISTRATIONS OF THE UDO. FOURTH ARE AMENDMENTS REFLECTING MINOR CHANGES IN POLICIES. AND FIVE ARE CHANGES INDICATED BY ELECTED OFFICIALS DURING THE APPROVAL OF THE WCF TEXT AMENDMENT. WE’VE PROVIDED YOU THIS LAST MONTH SO WE COULD GIVE YOU ABOUT 30 DAYS TO APPROVE ALL 49 PAGES, SO I HOPE YOU’VE HAD A CHANCE TO DO THAT AND WITH THAT I’M HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.>>I HAVE NO ONE SIGNED UP TO SPEAK. ANY MEMBERS IN THE AUDIENCE THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM? HEARING NONE I’LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BEFORE THE COMMISSIONERS. COMMISSIONERS WISHING TO SPEAK. COMMISSIONER MILLLER?>>MR. CHAIRMAN, I HAVE A NUMBER OF COMMENTS ON THE, AS WE WORK THROUGH THIS, DO YOU WANT ME TO DO EACH OF MY COMMENTS OR DO YOU WANT TO KIND OF GO ITEM BY ITEM.>>WE’LL DEAL WITH YOUR COMMENTS.>>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN.>>AND THESE ARE QUESTIONS FOR STAFF. MY FIRST CONCERN IS THE WITHIN I RAISED. LY DURING OUR MEETING LAST TIME AND THIS HAS TO DO WITH THE PROPOSED CHANGE TO INITIATING HISTORIC DISTRICT, THIS IS CONTAINED ON PAGE 4 OF ATTACHMENT A. SO UNDER THE EXISTING ORDINANCE THERE ARE TWO WAYS THAT HISTORIC DISTRICT CAN BE INITIATED; BY PETITIONS OF 25% OF THE PROPOSED DISTRICT OR IT CAN BE INITIATED ON THE MOTION OF THE APPROPRIATED ELECTED BODY, THE CITY COUNCILLER AND BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS, IS THAT NOT CORRECT. AND WHAT WE’RE PROPOSING TO DO IS TO SAY THAT WHEN WE HAVE A PETITION INITIATED DISTRICT THAT WE’RE GOING TO SEND THAT THE APPROPRIATE GOVERNING BODY TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THE DISTRICT INITIATION. AND I HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. RIGHT NOW AND THIS IS THE PROBLEM. [LOW AUDIO] AND THIS IS MY, I MEAN, TODAY ANY CITIZEN CAN GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL OR BOARD OF COMMISSIONERS AND ASK THEM TO EXERCISE THEIR DISCRETIONARY AUTHORITY, ANYWHERE AND IF ANY ONE PERSON CAN ASK THE CITY COUNCIL TO START A HISTORIC DISTRICT WHY WOULD WE HAVE A PETITION TO TAKE OVER THE OWNERS OF 25% OF THE PROPERTY, IF ONE PERSON CAN DO IT AND HAS A CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO MAKE THAT REQUEST. I THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER TO DO AWAY WITH THAT WHOLE THING AND I UNDERSTAND WHY THE STAFF DOESN’T LIKE IT, IT’S LEGAL TODAY BECAUSE IT COMPELS THE CITY TO ACT. THE CITY HAS TO DO CERTAIN THINGS, CLOUGH HAVE TO PREPARE A PRESERVATION PLAN BEFORE YOU GET TO THE ELECTED BODY TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT TO CREATE THE DISTRICT AND THIS, OF COURSE, ALLOWS TO ORIENT — IN A WAY THAT DOESN’T EVOLVE ELECTED BODY REVIEW AND IT IS PROBABLE UNSATISFACTORY FOR THAT REASON. THERE IS HAS BEEN FRICTION TO THAT IN REGARDS TO THE ISSUE. AND AS WE MOVE FORWARD THEN WHAT I RECOMMEND IS THAT WE DO AWAY WITH THAT PETITION INITIATED WAY OF STARTING A HISTORIC DISTRICT. I WONDER WHY WE DON’T DO WHAT SOME OTHER COMMUNITIES DO AND MAKE SENSE, THE HISTORIC DISTRICT IS A ZONING OVERLAY, IT’S JUST MAKE IT LIKE ANY OTHER ZONING AND SAY THAT AN APPLICANT, WHO JUMPS THROUGH THE NECESSARY HOOPS, CAN BRING FORWARD A REQUEST TO CREATE A HISTORIC DISTRICT AND WHAT I HAVE IN MIND IS, YOU KNOW, WE’RE SIMPLIFYING THE PRESERVATION PLAN BY MOVING A LOT OF ITS CONTENTS INTO A SET BODY OF REVIEW CRITERIA. IT SEEMS TO ME THAT WE’RE CREATING A SITUATION WHERE AN APPLICANT MIGHT BE ABLE TO CREATE A WHOLE APPLICATION FOR A DISTRICT INCLUDING A PROPOSED PRESERVATION PLAN. NORMALLY THE CONTENTS OF THOSE PLANS ARE PREPARED BY PRIVATE CONSULTANTS AND A LARGE BODY OF THE DATA AT ANY RATE, IT WOULDN’T BE THAT BIG OF A DEAL TO AT THE OTHER THINGS, AS LONG AS WE HAD A CLEAR LIST OF WHAT WAS MINIMALLY REQUIRED IN THE PRESERVATION PLAN. WE COULD DO THAT OR WE COULD JUST MAKE THEM ALL CITY INITIATED AND LET THE PEOPLE WHO WANT THE DISTRICT ACTUALLY APPEAR IN FRONT OF COUNCIL AND SAY THIS IS WHAT WE HAVE IN MIND AND THEN THE COUNCIL CAN DECIDE TO DISTRICT STAFF, WE LIKE THIS IDEA, GO WORK ON IT BECAUSE THAT’S ESSENTIALLY WHAT WE’RE PROPOSING HERE. NOW I DON’T WANT TO OFFER ANY DISRESPECT TO THIS COMMISSIONER WHERE ANY CITIZEN PROPOSAL LIKE THAT GO TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION TO GET THEIR ADVICE TO THE ELECTED BODY AND THAT’S WHAT YOU’VE GOT BUILT INTO THIS TOO. I GUESS WHAT I’M OBJECTING TO IS WHAT I THINK IS THE PRETENDED REQUIREMENT OF THIS 25% PETITION, WHEN REALLY UNDER THE LAW IT’S NOT REQUIRED TODAY. IT IS LEGAL ONLY BECAUSE IT COMPELS AND ONCE WE TAKE THE COMPULSION OBEY WE MIGHT AS WELL WIPE THE WHOLE THING CLEAN. THAT’S MY QUALITY ON THAT. I HAVE A LOT OF COMMENTS. I DON’T WANT TO MONOPOLIZE THE MICROPHONE AND GO BIT BY BIT.>>DO YOU WANT TO RESPOND?>>SARA YOUNG WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. WE’RE CERTAINLY TAKE THEZ COMMENTS BACK AND DISCUSS THEM INTERNALLY AND SEE IF THERE IS AN ALTERNATE APPROACH THAT COULD BE PROPOSED. WE WERE TRYING TO MINIMIZE THE AMOUNT OF CHANGES TO THE SECTION WHILE STILL, AS YOU SAID, ENSURE THAT THERE ARE SOME RESOURCE ALLOCATIONS, THE ABILITY TO DO SUCH A MASSIVE PROJECT, WHICH HAS BEEN — .>>IT IS.>>SO THAT WAS THE REASON BEHIND, BUT WE’RE HAPPY TO TAKE YOUR COMMENTS AND TAKE A ANOTHER LOOK.>>I JUST DON’T SEE A REASON NOT TO ELIMINATE THE WITCH’S BROOMSTICK QUALITY OF THE 25% PETITION WHEN IT’S REALLY NOT REQUIRED.>>COMMISSIONER FREEMAN.>>I JUST HAD A SPECIFIC QUESTION ON THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, ARE THERE ANY OTHERS?>>SARA YOUNG AGAIN BETHE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. YES. THERE IS AN EXPANSION OF THE HOLOWAY STREET, CAME IN AT THE SAME TIME GOLDEN BELT DID.>>AND THEN ALSO WHERE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT #HILL ARE WE COMING PACK TO THE COMPACT NEIGHBORHOOD?>>WE HAVEN’T GOT TO THE COMPACT NEIGHBORHOOD YET.>>COMMISSIONER WHITELY.>>YES, I I’M A LITTLE CONFUSED HOW DID THE PETITION GET IN, THE 25%, WHERE DID THAT COME FROM?>>TO BE HONEST I DO NOT KNOW FOR CERTAIN. THAT’S A PROVISION IN THE ORDINANCE AS LONG AS I’VE BEEN HERE, WHICH HAS BEEN 15 YEARS. SO I ASSUME IT WAS DRAFTED ORIGINALLY WHEN THAT WAS PUT INTO THE ORDINANCE WHEN THE PROGRAM STARTED OVER 25 YEARS AGO, BUT I DON’T KNOW FOR CERTAIN.>>NOW DO YOU KNOW WHEN IT BECAME PALLABLE NOT TO HAVE THE 25% AND GO STRAIGHT TO COUNCIL.>>I DON’T KNOW THAT I CAN ADDRESS THAT QUESTION, I DON’T KNOW THAT IT NECESSARILY IS PALATABLE, THAT IS A SUGGESTION BROUGHT BEFORE US TONIGHT. WHAT THIS TEXT AMENDMENT WAS PROPOSING TO DO WAS TO ADD A MIDDLE STEP WHEN WHERE WE GET A PETITION WE TAKE IT FIRST TO CITY COUNCIL TO COME GET THEIR BLESSING AND GET THEM TO THE DISTRICT AND BE ABLE TO ADDRESS ISSUES OF RESOURCE ALLOCATION BEFORE WE KIND OF PUT IT ON THE DOCK AND TRY AND SPEND TIME AND REARRANGE PRIORITIES TO TRY AND DEAL WITH THESE MASSIVE PROJECTS. SO THE PROPOSAL DID NOT ELIMINATE THE PETITION REQUIREMENT, IT ADDED AN EXTRA KIND OF PRIORITIZEATION GLENN THAT’S THE PART I LIKE. YOU KNOW, I THINK SOMEONE, OR A GROUP OF SOMEONES, WANT TO CHANGE MY NEIGHBORHOOD THEN I THINK THEY OUGHT TO HAVE IT SHOULD BE KNOWLEDGE BY SOME PERJURY OF THE PEOPLE LIVING THERE. AND THE BROADER THE KNOWLEDGE OF IT SEEMS TO ME GIVES WAKE TO WHETHER IT SHOULD BE APPROVED OR DISAPPROVED. ONE PERSON GOING TO CHANGE MY NEIGHBORHOOD THAT DOESN’T STRIKE ME AS BEING. WE CERTAINLY DON’T ELECT PEOPLE WITH ONE PERSON SAYING APPROVE THIS, IT’S DONE BY THE MAJORITY AND I THINK KEEPING DEMOCRACY IN THE WORKS MAKES IT PALATABLE FOR EVERYBODY. THE MORE PEOPLE THAT ARE INFORMED THE BETTER THE DECISION. SO MY COMMENT THROUGH THIS IS HOW DO WE GET THIS PETITION TO HAVE MERIT? IF IT CAN BE, IF SOMEONE CAN GO WITHOUT IT AND DOES THAT MEAN WE NEED TEE WRITE SOMETHING INTO THE TEXT THAT WOULD ELIMINATE THE ABILITY OF ONE PERSON GOING TO, YOU SERVE THE POWER OF A WHOLE NEIGHBORHOOD.>>WE’RE NOT GOING TO GO BACK ON AN ISSUE. YOU HAVE A COMMENT MAKE A COMMENT, BUT WE’RE NOT GOING TO HAVE YOU RESPONDING TO EACH OTHER’S COMMENTS.>>EXCUSE ME, MR. CHAIRMAN, WHY NOT?>>BECAUSE I’M NOT GOING TO ALLOW IT, WE’LL BE HERE ALL NIGHT IF I ALLOW IT. WOULD THE STAFF LIKE TO RESPOND TO WHAT COMMISSIONER WHITELY SAID?>>SURE. I THINK THE ONLY THING I SAID EARLIER IS THAT WE WOULD BE WILLING TO EXPLORE ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE. AGAIN THAT HAS NOT BEEN VETTED, WE HAVEN’T HAD A CHANCE TO LOOK AT THAT. OUR PROPOSAL WAS TO KEEP IT BUT TO ADD THAT EXTRA STEP TO HELP DEAL WITH RESOURCE ALLOCATION ISSUES. TO BE HONEST WE, AS STAFF, EVEN LOOKED AT INCREASING THE PERCENTAGE, YOU KNOW, TO MAKE IT SO THAT POTENTIALLY YOU HAD MORE BUY-IN FROM THE COMMUNITY THAT IT WAS GOING TO EFFECT. THAT IS ONE OF THE OPTIONS THAT WE LOOKED AT.>>THANK YOU.>>WE ARE HAPPY TO TAKE YOUR COMMENTS AND GO BACK AND CONSIDER THEM.>>OK O. THANK YOU.>>JUST IN RESPONSE TO THAT I JUST HAD A QUESTION REGARDING, SO THE LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICTS ARE THEY REVIEWED OUTSIDE OF NATIONALLY HISTORDISTRICT OR DO THEY NORMALLY HAVE TO FALL UNDER NATIONAL?>>NATIONAL AND LOCAL CAN BE COMPLETELY SEPARATE, THEY CAN OVERLAP, THEY ACTUALLY DON’T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH ONE ANOTHER. WE DO HAVE SEVERAL PLACES WHERE THEY OVERLAP. WE HAVE LOCAL DISTRICTS IN THE SAME ROUGHLY AREAS WHERE WE HAVE NATIONAL REGISTER BUT THEY ARE NOT CO-DEPENDENT IN ANY WAY.>>AND THEN JUST TO RESPOND THOOTO THE 25%, I KNOW WE SUMITTED FROM THE GOLDEN GATE NEIGHBORHOOD 100%, OR MAYBE EIGHTY FIVE%, I DON’T THINK THE PERCENTAGE IS AN ISSUE BUT IT IS AN ISSUE WITH THE 25% WE STILL HAVEN’T BEEN ABLE TO HAVE RESOURCE AND ALLEGATION THROUGH THE PETITION PROCESS FOR THERE TO BE MOVE. ON AN APPROVED LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT. SO I’M NOT SURE THIS IS ADDRESSED, I THINK THAT’S WHERE COMMISSIONER MILLLER IS COMING FROM IN THAT, I DON’T THINK THAT ADDRESSES THE ISSUE. SO I HEAR COMMISSIONER WHITELY, BUT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE GETTING TO THAT POINT OF MAKING SURE THAT THE RESOURCES ARE ALLOCATED AND THE PLANNING STAFF HAS ENOUGH TO MOVE FORWARD WITH THIS.>>OK. NOW HAD ANOTHER POINT TO MAKE? YOU HAD ANOTHERRISHUE?>>YES. MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I COULD DIRECT EVERYBODY’S ATTENTION TO PAGE SEVEN AND THIS IS 3.16.4E1. IT SAYS A LEGAL MEETS AND BOUNDS DESCRIPTION. IT SEEMS TO ME A QUITE BOUNDS DESCRIPTION MIGHT BE, THAT’S ONE LEGAL DESCRIPTION THAT WOULD BE OK BUT WHAT IF IT WAS JUST LIKE A PLAT REFERENCE, THAT’S ALSO ADEQUATE TO CONVEY. SEEMS TO ME THAT REQUIRES SOMEBODY TO GO OUT AND SURVEY, WHEN YOU MIGHT HAVE THE DESCRIPTION ALREADY PREPARED IN A DEED.>>THE REASON WE’RE ATING THIS IS BECAUSE WE’VE HAD ISSUES WHERE A HISTORIC LANDMARK WAS DESIGNATED BASED ON THE PROPERTY AND THAT RECOMBINATION HAPPENED AND WE HAVE NO . BECAUSE THERE IS A TAX CRET ASSOCIATED THE EXACT LOCATION.>>YOU CAN GET AN EXACT LOCATION WITH I MEAN, TODAY, THE MAJORITY RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES ARE SOLD WITHOUT A MEETS AND BOUNDS DESCRIPTION. THERE IS A DESCRIPTION THAT SAYS THIS IS LOT 12, LOT 6 AND SUCH AND SUCH PLAT FILED A CERTAIN DATE, THAT’S ALL, THAT’S A LEGAL DESCRIPTION. IT JUST SEEMS TO ME MEETS AND BOUNDS IS TOO CONSTRUCTIVE UNDER CURRENT CONVEYANCY LAWS AND RULES. JUST A LEGAL DESCRIPTION WOULD BE ENOUGH AS LONG AS IT IS A LEGAL DESCRIPTION SUFFICIENT TO CONVEY THE PROPERTY IT SEEMS TO ME MEETS AND BOUNDS IS TOO LIMITED.>>THAT IS A GOOD POINT. WE’LL LOOK INTO THAT. PERHAPS JUST REFERENCING A LEGAL DESCRIPTION, WHICH IS NOT CURRENTLY REQUIRED WOULD BE SUFFICIENT.>>MR. CHAIRMAN, IF I CAN ASK PEOPLE TO GO ALSO ON PAGE SEVEN IN PART THREE AT THE BOTTOM. CONCERNING INCORPORATING DOCUMENTS BY REFERENCE INTO THE ORDINANCE. UNDER THE LAW AS I UNDERSTAND IT THE CITY CAN INCORPORATE INTO ITS ORDINANCES A DOCUMENT LIKE A MANUAL OR SOMETHING ELSE BUT IT CAN NOT INCORPORATE FUTURE CHANGES SO IF YOU INCORPORATE A MANUAL INTO A PROVISION FROM ANOTHER DOCUMENT INTO ORDINANCES IT IS THE VERSION THAT PREVAILS AT THE TIME OF THE INCORPORATION, THE TIME THAT THE ORDINANCE ADOPTING THE INCORPORATION GOES INTO EFFECT. IF THE BODY THAT CREATES THE MANUAL LIKE THE CERTIFIED BOARD OF SUCH AND SUCH CHANGES THE MANUAL TWO YEARS LATER THOSE CHANGES DON’T BECOME PART OF THE ORDINANCE UNDER NORTH CAROLINA LAW. NOW HAVE TO GO BACK AND READOPT. NOW THE NORTH CAROLINA GENERAL ASSEMBLY HAS IN CERTAIN CASES BY STATUTE GIVEN CERTAIN AGENCIES THE AUTHORITY TO ADOPT FUTURE CHANGES BUT WITHOUT AN EXPRESSED STATUTE GRANTING THE CITY THE ABILITY TO ADOPT FUTURE CHANGES BY REFERENCE I DON’T JUST WE CAN DO IT. NOW I ALSO ADMIT THAT I HAVE NOT SEARCHED CHAPTER 160A OR CHAPTER 153A TO FIND OUT WHETHER OR NOT SUCH A STATUTE EXISTS F IT DOES THEN I WITHDRAWAL MY OBJECTION. I AM CONCERNED HERE THAT WHAT IT DOES, I MEAN THE WAY THE LAWS ARE WRITTEN, THE COURTS HAVE HELD WITHOUT EXPRESSED AUTHORITY IT IS A VIOLATION OF DUE PROCESS BECAUSE IT DELEGATES INTO A BODY THAT’S NOT ANSWERERABLE TO THE PEOPLE, THE ABILITY TO CHANGE THE LAW THAT GOVERNS THE LIVES OF THE PEOPLE. SO I WOULD ASK WE LOOK AT THAT BEFORE WE MOVE FORWARD AND I KNOW IT’S CONVENIENT, BUT I DON’T THINK IT’S LAWFUL. AND IF I MAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, ASK EVERYONE TO GO TO PAGE 10. AND THIS IS THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING NOTICE. AND I SEE HERE THAT WHAT WE’VE PROPOSED TO DO IF I UNDERSTAND IT UNDER THE CURRENT ORDINANCE WHEN A NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING IS REQUIRED FOR CERTAIN DEVELOPMENTS THAT NEIGHBORS WITHIN A THOUSAND FEET GET NOTICED AND INVITED TO THAT MEETING. WE’RE PROPOSING TO REDUCE THAT NOTICE RADIUS TO 600 FEET IN CERTAIN CASES. AM I GUESSING RIGHT AND THAT’S BECAUSE WE WANT THIS NOTICE RADIUS TO CORRESPOND TO THE NOTICE RADIUS THAT WOULD EXIST FOR A ZONE CHANGE. THAT YOU DON’T HAVE A GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT MIGHT BE INVITED FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING AND NOT INVITED TO THE HEARING IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION.>>THAT’S EXACTLY RIGHT. THIS IS INTENDED SO THAT THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING NOTICE REQUIREMENTS MATCH XANTHLY THE LEGAL NOTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS FOR THE TYPES OF CASE.>>AND WHILE WE’RE TALKING ABOUT THESE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS A LOT OF US IN THE LAST MONTH OR SO, I MEAN YEAR OR SO HAVE LEARNED ABOUT RE-ZONINGS FROM E-MAILS SUBMITTED TO US BY CITIZENS WHO HAVE ATTENDED ONE OF THESE MEETINGS, SOMETIMES I FEEL LIKE I’M CAUGHT SHORT WHEN THEY ASK QUESTIONS OR WANT US TO RESPOND IN SOME WAY, WHEN IT IS THE FIRST NOTICE OF I’VE HAD OF ANY NEIGHBORHOOD MEETIC, I I’M NOT SUGGESTING WE GET ANY KIND OF ADVANCED NOTICE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT BUT I LISTEN TO WHAT THE CITIZENS SAY HAPPEN IN THESE MEETINGS AND I WONDER WHETHER OR NOT WE, IN OUR ORDINANCE HAVE TOLD PEOPLE WHAT WE EXPECT TO HAPPEN IN THESE MEETINGS, SOME OF THEM SEEM TO BE VERY GOOD AND ORGANIZATIONS SEEM TO BE FILLED WITH ALL KINDS OF CRAZY THINGS AND SEEM TO BE THE SOURCE OF A LOT OF PUBLIC DISSATISFACTION. AT SOME POINT IN TIME I WOULD LIKE FOR US TO LOOK AT THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS AND WHETHER OR NOT WE’RE GETTING OUT OF THEM EVERYTHING THAT WE HOPED WE WOULD WHEN WE CREATED THEM BACK IN 2006. I’M NOT AGAINST THEM I’M JUST I THINK IT’S MAYBE, WE NOW HAVE ENOUGH EXPERIENCE UNDER OUR BELT TO EVALUATE WHETHER OR NOT THE PROGRAM WE HAVE IS THE BEST ONE WE COULD HAVE. AND MR. CHAIRMAN, IF WE CAN GO TO 3.2.5A1. AND I DIDN’T WRITE DOWN THE PAGE THAT’S ON. THIS IS ON PAGE 10. DO I UNDERSTAND THIS CORRECTLY THAT THIS IS JUST PUTTING IN A TABLE INFORMATION THAT’SCURRENTLY IN THE ORDINANCE AND THAT THIS TABLE ISN’T CREATING ANY NEW REQUIREMENTS WITH EXCEPTION OF THE MATRON MINORS CEAs.>>THAT IS CORRECT AND IT’S ALSO THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS STATUTE THAT WAS APPROVED A FEW YEARS AGO BY THE GENERAL ASSEMBLY, EXPLICITLY AT A POSTING REQUIREMENT FOR APPEALS.>>AND WHAT WE’RE DOING IS WE’RE TAKING AWAY THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN MAJOR AND MINOR CEAs FOR NOTICE PURPOSES AND TREATING THEM IDENTICALLY, THAT’S CORRECT.>>THANK YOU VERY MUCH.>>IN 5.3. DEGREE OH, I’M SORRY, YOU HAVE A COMMENT ON THAT ONE. NO, THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING, I THINK THAT’S A GOOD IDEA, TOM, AND I THINK WE PROBABLY OUGHT TO HAVE SOME KIND OF SUB-COMMITTEE TO WORK ON THAT. I WOULD HATE TO JUST DROP, FOR THAT TO JUST COME AND GET LOST SOMEWHERE.>>COMMISSIONER, WE’RE NOT DROPPING IT, STAFF IS GOING TO TAKE ALL OF THESE COMMENTS AND MASSAGE THEM, TALK ABOUT THEM AND BRING THEM BACK TO US AND THIS, IN ANY KIND OF REVIEW AND RECONSIDERATION OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD MEETING PROPOSAL HAS TO FIND ITS PLACE IN THE CURRENT WORK LANAND I DON’T WANT TO JUMP AHEAD OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT, I’M NOT CONSIDERING IT A CRISIS, JUST WE ARE SEEING, I AM SEEING AS A PLANNING COMMISSION MEMBER HOW THEY’RE BURKING BUT I HAVE TO ADMIT I’VE ONLY ATTENDED ONE MYSELF, OTHERWISE I ALWAYS FIND OUT ABOUT THEM AFTER THEY’VE HAPPENED, SO I PERSONALLY DO NOT FEEL LIKE I’M IN A POSITION TO SAY OK THIS IS WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE BUT I DO THINK WE NEED TO LOOK AT WHAT’S HAPPENING AS A STAFF AND PUT IT IN THE WORK PLAN AT SOME POINT. BUT I DON’T THINK WE WILL BE ALLOWED TO FORGET BECAUSE I THINK THAT THE CITIZENS WILL KEEP IT EVER IN OUR MINDS. ON PAGE 17 THERE IS A PROVISION THAT SAYS SETBACKS ALLOWED PER SECTION 6.9 RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN NON-RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS AND THEN WHEN I GO TO 6.9 WE DON’T ACTUALLY USE THE TERM SETBACKS, WE USE, THERE IS A TABLE THERE AND WE TALK ABOUT STREET YARDS AND SIDE YARDS AND THOSE KINDS OF THINS, WE TALK ABOUT YARDS BUT NOT SETBACKS, DO WE NEED RECONCILE THE LANGUAGE THAT WE USE OR HAVE I COMPLETELY MISUNDERSTOOD WHAT’S BEING ACCOMPLISHED?>>THAT’S A GOOD POINTMENT WE’RE COMPLETING TWO SIMILAR TERMS AND WE’LL DEFINITELY CLARIFY THAT.>>THANK YOU. AND THEN ON 18, ON PAGE 18, ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, WHY ARE WE TAKING ABOUT THE MINIMUM 400 SQUARE FEET IN AREA PROVISION? IT SEEMS TO ME 400 SQUARE FEET IS AN AREA OF 20 FEET BY 20 FEET, SO IT IS ABOUT, THAT AREA RIGHT IN FRONT OF US BETWEEN THE DIIS AND THE FRONT ROW CHAIR IS ABOUT 600 SQUARE FEET AND WE’RE TALKING ABOUT ALLOWING A DWELLING UNIT TO BE SMALLER THAN TWO/THIRDS OF THAT SPACE. 20 FEET IS SEVEN STEPS.>>THAT’S REDUNDANT WITH THE BUILDING CODE.>>IS THERE A SIMILAR PROVISION IN THE HOUSING CODE, BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF MY QUESTIONS. I CAN REMEMBER BACK WHEN I WAS ON THE HOUSING APPEALS BOARD THERE WAS A MINIMUM, IT’S JUST NOT NECESSARY TO HAVE IT THERE. THANK YOU, I’M SATISFIED.>>AND MR. CHAIRMAN, AT ANY TIME IF ANOTHER MEMBER OF THE COMMISSION HAS SOMETHING THEY WANT TO TALK ABOUT THEY SHOULD JUMP IN. I WARNED YOU. [LAUGHS] PAGE 2. 6.3.3D.>>PAGE 22. CAN YOU EXPLAIN TO ME WHAT THIS CHANGE ACTUALLY DOES?>>SO WE’VE RUN INTO THIS PROVISION WHERE AN EXITING PLATTED LOT, SAY IN THE RS-8 DISTRICT MEETS ALL OF THE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS FOR A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE BUT IT DOES NOT MEET THE DENSITY REQUIREMENTS THAT ARE SHOWN ON THE TABLE.>>SO GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE. ACTUALLY SO A BETTER EXAMPLE WOULD BE IN AN RE52 DISTRICT WE HAVE MINIMUM LOT SIZES FOR DUPLEXES AND ARTICLE 7; HOWEVER, IF YOU HAVE A LOT THAT MEETS THAT MINIMUM LOT SIZE FOR A DUPLEX IT DOESN’T NEAT DENSITY REQUIREMENTS IN HERE, IN THIS TABLE.>>IN WHAT WAY, LIKE YOU SAID, GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE. I’VE GOT A LOT THATHAIR AN RU52 LOT.>>SO IN THE URBAN TIER THAT’S A 7,000 SQUARE FEET IN ORDER TO BUILD A DUPLEX.>>RIGHT.>>BUT THE DENSITY REQUIREMENT WOULD ACTUALLY REQUIRE A LOT, I CAN’T REMEMBER THE EXACT NUMBER BUT IT IS WELL OVER 7,000,.>>SOMETHING BIGGER.>>SO WE ARE HAVING THIS PROVISION WHERE WE HAVE MINIMUM LOT SIZE FOR A HOUSING TYPE BUT THEN A DENSITY LIMIT HERE AND OUR, THE INTENT WAS — .>>WHEN YOU’RE DOING A DENSITY REQUIREMENT YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT A DENSITY LIMIT.>>RIGHT! AND SO THE INTENT OF THIS IS FOR A NEW DEVELOPMENT WHICH WOULD REQUIRE A SUBDIVISION APPROVAL OR SITE PLAN APPROVAL. THIS CLARIFIES IF IT’S AN EXISTING PLATTED LOT THEN THE EXISTING LIMITS DO NOT APPLY, JUST THE LOT SIZE IN ARTICLE SEVEN. BUT IF YOU NEED A SITE PLAN YOU WOULD HAVE TO MEET THE REQUIREMENTS.>>THANK YOU. I COULD NOT JUST READING THIS FIGURE OUT WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT. I APOLOGIZE.>>ON PAGE 24 THERE IS A HEIGHT TABLE, IT’S A BRAND NEW TABLE, DOES THIS TABLE CREATE NEW PROVISIONS OR DOES IT TAKE OLD PROVISIONS AND JUST MAKE A TABLE OUT OF THEM.>>IT JUST REORGANIZES THINGS BECAUSE IT WAS HARD TO ADMINISTER THE WAY IT WAS BEFORE. THERE IS NO NEW REQUIREMENTS.>>IT IS JUST PUTTING IT IN THE TABLE.>>YES.>>THANK YOU.>>ON PAGE 38, SEE HOW MANY PAGES I SKIPPED THAT TIME. IT IS PROBABLY GETTING TIRED.>>SO WHAT IS THE PRACTICAL EFFECT, THE PROPOSED CHANGE 3.4.11A AND V, THIS SENDING THINGS TO THE JCCPC, IF SOMEBODY PROPOSES A TEXT AMENDMENT TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN, IT’S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT THESE ARE ALL GOING, DEEARTH THE COURSE OF THE YEAR WE’RE GOING TO GATHER THESE TOGETHER AND HAVE ONE BIG MEETING WHERE WE TALK ABOUT THEM.>>SO THIS WAS AN ISSUE THAT WE HAD NEVER ACTUALLY HAD TO DEAL WITH UNTIL THE RECENT RESEARCH TRIANGLE PARK AMENDMENT AND IT DEFINITELY HIGHLIGHTED THE ISSUE THAT THE FUTURE LANDUSE MAP IS VERY PROPERTY SPECIFIC AND SIMILAR TO THE PRONING MAP CHANGE TO THE PROCEDURES FOR THAT SEEM RELATIVELY EFFICIENT HOWEVER IF YOU CHANGE A POLICY INTENDED TO EFFECT THE WHOLE COUNTY THERE SHOULD BE A HIGHER LEVEL OF INPUT AND SCRUTINY TO THAT AND SO THIS IS INTENDED TO PROVIDE THAT HIGHER LEVEL OF INPUT AND SCRUTINY.>>DO WE GET A LOT OF PROPOSED TEXT CHANGES THAT COME FROM THE PRIVATE COMMUNITY?>>WE, SINCE ADOPTED IN 2005 WE’VE GOTTEN ONE.>>SO THE LIKELIHOOD THAT SUCH A PROVISION IS GOING TO CAUSE OUTCRY IN THE DEVELOPMENT COMMUNITY IS SMALL IN OUR EXPERIENCE?>>YES. AND HOPEFULLY, HONESTLY THIS WILL MAKE THAT EVEN LESS LIKELY TO HAPPEN.>>AND SO WHAT WAS THEIR REVIEW CRITERIA AND THEN IT TALKS ABOUT SHALL BE CONSIDERED FOR APPROPRIATENESS AND PRIORITY. WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? DOES THIS MEAN THAT THE JCCPC BECOME SORT OF PLANNING AGENCY THAT CAN DENY 1 OF THESE THINGS CONSIDERED BY THE ELECTED BOARD, THE CITY OR THE COUNTY? I’M JUST NOT, I DON’T KNOW WHAT CONSIDERED FOR APPROPRIATENESS. IF THE JCPC SAYS WE DON’T THINK THIS IS APPROPRIATE IS THE APPLICANT FOR THAT CHANGE OVER OR DOES IT GO ON TO THE CITY COUNCIL WITH THE JCCP’S NEGATIVE RECOMMENDATION.>>TEXT AMENDMENTS ARE CURRENTLY TREATED WHERE THEY’RE BROUGHT TO THE JCPC BEFORE THEY’RE BROUGHT FORWARD THROUGH THE REGULAR PROCESS AND JCPC CAN BLESS IT, SEND IT FORWARD, BUT OF COURSE IF SOMEONE PRAISE THEIR FEE, BUT THEY CAN’T KILL IT.>>IF SOMEONE RAISES THEIR FEE, BUT THEY CAN’T KILL IT.>>ON PAGE 48 CONCERNING SECTION 14.2.6. THE SINGLE FAMILY USE EXCEPTION AGAIN, HELP ME UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS MEANS WITH A REAL-LIFE EXAMPLE OR ONE THAT’S PLAUSIBLE FROM YOUR OWN INVENTION.>>WE ACTUALLY HAVE QUITE A FEW SUBDIVISIONS THAT WERE DEVELOPED UNDER THE ZONING ORDINANCE WHICH ALLOWS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL. A LOT OF OUR NONRESIDENTIAL DEFENDANTS LIKE THE OI DISTRICTS AND CG DISTRICT,, WHICH THE UDO DOES NOT AND IN THOSE RATHER LARGE SUBDIVISIONS THEY ARE ALL FORMING STRUCTURES SO IF YOU WANT PUT IN A SHED OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT THEN YOU ARE LIMITED BY THE NONCONFORMLING PROVISIONS.>>IF I OWNED A LOT THAT WAS, IN A SINGLE FAMILY SUBDIVISION THAT WAS CREATED UNDER THE OLD ORDINANCE IN AN 0-I ONE OR WHATEVER IT WAS, WE USED TO HAVE TWO 0I AND I HADN’T BUILT ON IT, BUT I WANTED TO, WHAT WOULD I HAVE TO DO TODAY.>>IF YOU HAVEN’T BUILT ON IT YOU WOULD HAVE TO MEET REQUIREMENTS, BUT IF YOU HAVE A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE IN PLACE BY JANUARY 2006 YOU WOULD BE GRANTED THE RIGHTS.>>BUT IF I HADN’T BUILT, I PROBABLY WOULDN’TBY ABLE TO BUILD.>>YOU MIGHT HAVE TO BUILD A VERY TEENY OFFICE.>>OK. INTERESTING, THANK YOU.>>YES. COMMISSIONER WHITELY.>>I GUESS MY QUESTION WITH THIS SIDEWALKS AND WHEN READING THIS I WAS LOOKING FOR WHERE TO.>>LET US KNOW WHERE YOU ARE.>>47 AND 48. WE HAVE A PROBLEM WHERE WE DON’T PRIORITIZE SIDEWALKS WHERE THEY NEED IT THE MOST. CASE AND POINT WE HAVE CHILDREN WALKING IN THE STREET THAT GET OFF SCHOOL BUSES AND THERE IS NO SIDEWALK. SEEMS TO ME THAT SHOULD BE A PRIORITY AND WHERE WOULD THAT FALL IF YOU’RE GOING THROUGH LANGUISH CHANGE HERE.>>COMMISSIONER WHITELY, THESE PROVISIONS ONLY REQUIRE FOR NEW DEVELOPMENTS, SO FOR EXAMPLE IF YOU’RE BUILDING A NEW COMMERCIAL BUILDING YOU’D BE REQUIRED TO BUILD A SIDEWALK ON THE FRONT OF YOUR PROPERTY, WHICH THIS IS A LANDUSE REGULATION ASPECT OF SIDEWALKS. I THINK WHAT YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT IS CITY CONSTRUCTION OF SIDEWALKS ON PLACES THAT IT WAS BUILT BEFORE SIDEWALKS WERE REQUIRED, WHICH IS A FUNDING ISSUE, WHICH IS WELL BELOW MY PAY GRADE. JUST IN REFERENCE TO THE SIDEWALKS, WHILE WE’RE ON IT, WHAT’S THE CURRENT COMPLETE STREET SIDEWALK SIZE. I KNOW IT’S NOT ON THERE.>>MOST DOWNTOWN IS 5 FEET, WHICH IS THE ADA REQUIREMENT.>>ANY OTHER COMMENTS?>>MR. CHAIRMAN THAT WAS ALL I HAD UNDER THIS SECTION.>>I’M DISAPPOINTED COMMISSIONER MILLLER. [LAUGHS] COMMISSIONER GIBBS.>>MY QUESTION HAS TO DO WITH, AND SINCE I JUST RAN ACROSS THIS HANDICAPPED ACCESSIBLE PARKING IT HAS TO DO WITH TRANSPORTATION. I KNOW WE HAVE, THERE IS A POLICY, I THINK THERE IS A POLICY FOR SHELTERS BEING PROVIDED AT ALL BUS STOPS AND THAT THEY’D BE HANDICAP ACCESSIBLE AND THAT SORT OF THING. IS THAT SOMETHING THAT HAS BEEN INCLUDED IN SOME WAY IN THIS UDO, SOMEWHERE, SOMEHOW OTHER THAN JUST BY REFERENCE TO THE ADA AND I’M SORRY I HAVEN’T LOOKED INTO IT ANY DEEPER THAN.>>THROUGH ANY NEW CONSTRUCTION WOULD HAVE TO MEET ALL ADA REQUIREMENTS.>>RIGHT.>>AND THE ORDINANCE DOESN’T GENERALLY REQUIRE BUS SHELTERS AT ALL BUS STOPS, WE DO IN CERTAIN CASES WHERE WE BELIEVE THERE IS A RATIONAL NEXUS FOR THAT AND I CAN’T REMEMBERER WHAT PAGE IT IS ON BUT WE DO CLARIFY FOR THE REQUIREMENTS OF THAT IN THE MIXED USED ZONING DISTRICTS AND MIXED USE CHANGES.>>AND I SPOKE TO THE STAFF SEVERAL CAREERS AGO UP THE THIS PARTICULAR ISSUE, IT IS SOMETHING THAT HAS COME UP MANY TIMES FROM PEOPLE THAT LIVE, THE ELERLY PEOPLE THAT LIVE IN CERTAIN BUILDINGS AND DIFFERENT PARTS OF THE CITY THAT IS SERVED BY A BUS ROUTE AND IT IS SOMETHING THAT I WISH IT SOMEHOW COULD BE KIND OF AS A REQUIREMENT BECAUSE IT IS AND THAT’S JUST MY RECOMMENDATION. SO THAT’S ALL I HAVE RIGHT NOW.>>CERTAINLY. DEFINITELY BEYOND THE SCOPE OF THIS PARTICULAR CHANGE.>>OK. ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER FREEMAN.>>I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY AS WELL TO THANK YOU. I NOTICED THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING DWELLING UNITS CHANGE WHERE HOUSING COSTS OR MORTGAGE WILL NOT EXCEED 30% OF FAMILY INCOME AND I THINK IT’S VERY CRUCIAL TO INCLUDE THAT PIECE.>>THOSE SPECIFICALLY REQUESTED BY MAYOR BELL.>>I JUST WANTED TO THANK YOU FOR, AND THANK MAYOR BELL.>>THANK HIM BEFORE ME.>>YES, I’LL BE SURE TO MAKE SURE GOOD DO THAT.>>ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? COMMISSIONER BUZBY?>>AND I DON’T THINK IT WAS MENTIONED, ALL OF US TODAY RECEIVED AN E-MAIL WITH COMMENTS # FROM THE BIKE PEDESTRIAN BIKE COUNCIL AS WELL SO I DON’T KNOW IF STAFF RECEIVED THAT BUT IF WE’RE OUT THE GOING TO VOTE ON THIS TONIGHT AND MAKE SOME ADDITIONAL CHANGES I CERTAINLY HOPE THAT WOULD BE TAKEN INTO ACCOUNT.>>NO MORE COMMENTS.>>OUR INTENT WAS TO HAVE IT VOTED ON TONIGHT.>>WE PLAN TO. [LAUGHS]>>OK, I’M SORRY.>>YOU STILL HAVE TO VOTE YES.>>I WAS UNDER THE MISIMPRESSION THERE. SORRY ABOUT THAT. I HOPE PEE TAKE THEIR COMMENTS INTO CONSIDERATION AS WELL.>>WE CERTAINLY WILLISM.>>OK. THE CHAIR WILL NOW ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THIS ITEM. COMMISSIONER MILLLER.>>I’LL MAKE A MOTION.>>COMMISSIONER WINDERS.>>I MOVE WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE OMNI BUS TEXT AMENDMENTS BETHE ADDITION OF THE LANGUAGE ABOUT THE CLARIFICATION OF DEFINITIONS OF DESIGN DISTRICTS THAT WE VOTED ON TO APPROVE LAST MONTH>>OK HOLD ON BEFORE I ACCEPT YOUR MOTION, COULD THE MOTION INCLUDE THEM LOOKING AT ALL OF THE COMMENTS THAT WAS MADE HERE TONIGHT WITH REFERENCE TO.>>YES. [LAUGHS] PLUS, I THOUGHT LET ME TRY AGAIN BECAUSE I KNOW IT’S HARD TO GET THESE MOTIONS DOWN. I RECOMMEND THAT THE — NO. I MOVE THAT WE RECOMMEND APPROVAL OF THE OMNI BUS TEXT AMENDMENT WITH THE ADDITION OF COMMENTS ABOUT EQUITY AND AFFORDABILITY DISCUSSED AND RECOMMENDED LAST MONTH AND WITH CONSIDERATION OF THE CHANGES THAT HAVE BEEN SUGGESTED TONIGHT.>>COMMENTS, COMMENTS MADE.>>COMMENTS, CONSIDERATION OF THE COMMENTS MADE TONIGHT.>>MADAM CLERK, DID YOU GET THIS? [LAUGHS]>>WE CAN WORK WITH THAT. THANKFULLY YOU’RE ON TV.>>OK. DO I HEAR A SECOND.>>SECOND.>>OK THERE HAS BEEN A MOTION AND SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER RILEY THAT WE APPROVE THE TC1500001 WITH THE COMMENTS MADE LAST MONTH AND TONIGHT. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR LET IT BE KNOWN BY I THINK WE CAN RAISE OUR HANDS ON THIS ONE. MAYBE NOT.>>IT LOOKS LIKE 10-1 WITH MILLLER VOTING NO.>>ALL THOSE IN OPPOSITION PLEASE RAISE THEIR HAND. OK, SO THE MOTION MOVES FORWARD 10-1.>>THANK YOU.>>OK. THIS ITEM 7 ON OUR AGENDA. THE PRESENTATION WILL INCLUDE A THROUGH G BUT WE WILL VOTE ON APPROVAL ON ONE AT A TIME. A, B, C AND D.>>MR. CHAIR WE WOULD RECOMMEND YOU HOLD ONE PUBLIC HEARING RATHER THAN SEVEN.>>THAT’S WHAT WE’RE DOING. THE ONE PUBLIC HEARING BE RECEIVED THE PRESENTATION FOR EIGHT OF THEM AND VOTE ON THEM ONE AT A TIME.>>GOOD EVENING, LISA MILLLER WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT.>>THE PUBLIC HEARING IS NOW OPEN.>>THANK YOU. I AM HERE TO TALK TO YOU ABOUT THE LOCAL RECRITERIA MEMCONSOLIDATION PROJEC. I’M GOING TO START WITH A BACKGROUND FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO WANTED A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THIS PIECE FITS INTO THE LARGER PUZZLE. SO I’M GOING TO GIVE A LITTLE BACKGROUND BEFORE INTRODUCING THE ACTUAL IM IT. SO FIRST OF ALL, WE TALKED ABOUT WE HAVE TWO DIFFERENT KINDS OF LOCAL HISTORIC DESIGNATIONS, ONE ARE LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND THE OTHER ARE LOCAL HISTORIC LANDMARKS. DISTRICTS ARE A NEIGHBORHOOD OR GROUP OF PROPERTIES, IN IMPACTS HOLD ON TO INITIAL CHARACTERS WHEN THEY WERE BUILT, AN ESSENTIAL PART OF OUR HISTORY AS AFFLUENT AND RECOGNIZE THE DISTRICTS AS A GROUP OF PROPERTIES. THOSE ARE DESIGNATED AS A HISTORIC DISTRICT OVERLAY, SO A ZONING OVERLAY DISTRICT AND EACH OF THOSE WHEN THEY WERE DESIGNATED, WE’VE GOT SEVEN OF THEM, CLEVELAND STREET, DOWNTOWN DURHAM, HOLOWAY STREET, MORHEAD HILL, TRINITY HEIGHTS AND WATTS-HILLANDALE DESIGNATED FROM 1987-2003. AT THIS TIMEEFE ONE DESIGNATED THERE WAS A PRESERVATION PLAN THAT INCLUDED THE SURVEY OF THE DISTRICT AND ARCHITECTURAL AND HISTORICAL BACKGROUND AS WELL AS DRITERIA FOR REVIEWING CHANGES TO THOSE PROPERTIES. # OUR LOCAL HISTORIC LANDMARKERS, THESE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE THE MOST SIGNIFICANT FOR ANY NUMBER OF REASONS, WHETHER ASSOCIATED WITH IMPORTANT PEOPLE IN DURHAM’S HISTORY, IMPORTANT EVENTS THEIR ARCHITECTURE IS REALLY A ONE-OF-A-KIND GREAT EXAMPLE OF SOMETHING HERE IN DURHAM AND ALSO THE POTENTIAL FOR PREHISTORIC SIGNIFICANCE TO BE DESIGNATED. GENERALLY THESE INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES ARE IN SOME CASES, LIKE WEST VILLAGE YOU’LL HAVE A GROUP OF INDIVIDUAL PROPERTIES THAT ARE DESIGNATED TOGETHER. WE CURRENTLY HAVE APPROXIMATELY 80 LOCAL LANDMARKS DESIGNATED IN THE CITY AND TWO IN THE COUNTY.>>SO ONE OF THE THINGS OF NOTE FOR BOTH LOCAL LANDMARKS PROPERTIES AND LOCAL DISTRICTS PROPERTIES THIS IS AN EXCERPT FROM OUR DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE AND ALSO NEARS THE STATE STATUTE FOR DEALING WITH LOCAL HISTORIC DESIGNATIONS. AFTER THE TIME THAT THE PROPERTY IS DESIGNATED HISTORIC NO FEATURE, EXTRA FEATURE OR OTHER DESIGNATED PORTION OF THE BUILDING CAN BE ERENTED, ALTERED, RESTORED, MOVED OR DEMOLISHED UNTIL AFTER A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS OR CEA AS WE CALL THEM HAS BEEN SUBMITTED AND APPROVED BY THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION. SO THIS IS WHAT WE’RE GETTING AT TODAY. THERE ARE A SOTE OF CRITERIA THE THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION USES IN REVIEWING CHANGES TO THOSE PROPERTIES AND THAT’S WHAT WE’RE DISCUSSING THIS EVENING.>>>THONE OUR PRESERVATION COMMISSION THAT I MENTIONED THEY ARE NINE MEMBERS THAT ARE APPOINTED BY THE CITY AND COUNTY ELECTED OFFICIALS, SERVING THE COMMUNITY TO MAKE BOTH, THEY HAVE TWO FUNCTIONS, ONE AS A QUASI JUDICIAL BOARD AND REVIEW AND APPROVAL OF CERTIFICATES OF APPROPRIATENESS, AGAIN USING THE LOCAL REVIEW CRITERIA ADOPTED BY THE ELECTED OFFICIALS AND THEIR ADVISORY ROLE THEY ALSO PROVIDE GENERAL RECOMMENDATIONS ON HISTORIC PRESERVATIONS AND HISTORIC RESOURCES TO BOTH THE CITY AND COUNTY. SO I’VE MENTIONED THE LOCAL REVIEW CRITERIA, CURRENTLY THE BAY THAT THESE CRITERIA ARE SET OUT I MENTIONED EACH ONE OF OUR LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICTS WAS/IS A ZONING OVERLAY AND THERE WAS A PRESERVATION PLAN ADOPTED AT THE TIME OF DESIGNATION, THOSE FORERVATION PLANS EACH ONE OF THEM # WE’VE GOT SIX DIFFERENT PLANS HAS A SET OF CRITERIA THAT ARE APPLIED TO THAT SPECIFIC HISTORIC DISTRICT WHEN PROPERTIES COME IN TO A PROPERTY WITHIN THE DISTRICT. THE CONTAX ARE LOCAL HISTORIC LANDMARKS,. MANY FOLKS ARE FAMILIAR WITH THOSE STANDARDS BECAUSE OF GOING THROUGH # THE HISTORIC TAX CREDIT PROGRAM. AS SARA MENTIONED EARLIER THE LOCAL DISTRICTS AND THROUGH NATIONAL REGISTRAR THAT DEALS WITH THE TAX CREDIT PROGRAM ARE COMPLETELY SEPARATE; HOWEVER, THIS BECAUSE A CASE WHERE OUR LOCAL ORDINANCES REFERENCED THE CRITERIA USED IN THE NATIONAL REGISTER. SO THAT’S A BIT OF BACKGROUND ABOUT TO HELP YOU UNDERSTAND HOW THIS PIECE FITS INTO OUR CURRENT HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROGRAM. SO THE ITEMS BEFORE YOU TODAY, SEVEN DIFFERENT ITEMS, THE FIRST IS ACTUALLY A NEW DOCUMENT WITH LOCAL REVIEW CRITERIA IN IT. THE OTHER ITEMS ARE THE REVISED PRESERVATION PLANS THAT PREVIOUSLY INCLUDED A SET OF CRITERIA OR REMOVING THOSE CRITERIA AND REFERENCES THIS NEW DOCUMENT. SO TO TALK ABOUT THE REVIEW CRITERIA DOCUMENT ITSELF, FIRST, ONE OF THE THINGS IT DOES IS IT TAKES THE CRITERIA FROM EACH ONE OF THE DISTRICTS CURRENTLY AND CONSOLIDATES THEM INTO ONE DOCUMENT. IN ADDITION IT CREATES LOCAL REVIEW CRITERIA THAT ARE NOT JUST THE SECRETARY STANDARDS FOR LANDMARK PROPERTIES THEY ARE VERY MUCH BASED ON BOTH THE SECRETARY STANDARDS THAT HAVE BEEN USED IN THE PAST AND THE COMMISSION SORT OF PRECEDENT FOR INTERPRETING THOSE CRITERIA BUT IS SPECIFICALLY CALLLING OUT HOW WE DEAL WITH VARIOUS DIFFERENT SITUATIONS IN ORDER GIVE A LITTLE MORE CLAIRFRY THOSE PROPERTIES. ONE OF THE THINS THAT WASSIC LAING IN THE PREVIOUS CRITERIA, CLEAR CRITERIA FOR RIGHTS OF WAY WITHIN THE DISTRICTS. FOR LOCAL LANDMARKS THOSE DESIGNATIONS DON’T INCLUDE RIGHT-OF-WAY BUT ANY DISTRICTS THE RIGHT-OF-WAY IS PART OF WHAT’S DESIGNATED THEREFORE WE WANTED TO HAVE CLEAR CRITERIA, CLEAR UNDERSTANDING OF HOW WE WANTED TO APPLY THEM IN THE RIGHT-OF-WAY. IN ADDITION WE HAVE INCLUDED CRITERIA FOR CEMETERIES AND ARCHAEOLOGICAL SITES, WE DON’T HAVE ANY THAT ARE DESIGNATED SORT OF SEPARATELY BUT CERTAINLY HAVE SOME OF OUR LANDMARK PROPERTIES THAT HAVE ARCHAEOLOGICAL POTENTIAL OR THAT HAVE SMALL FAMILY CEMETERIES ON THEM AND WANTED TO MAKE SURE THOSE ARE PROTECTED AS WELL.>>AND FINALLY THE REVIEW CRITERIA ALSO DISTINGUISHED VERY CLEARLY BETWEEN HOW CONSISTING AND NON-CONTRIBUTING PROPERTIES ARE ADDRESSED AND I WILL JUMP AHEAD AND JUMP BACK IN A MINUTE. SO EVERYTHING I MENTIONED IN THE PRESERVATION PLANS WE HAVE SURVEYED, EACH ONE OF THEM WHEN THEY WERE ADOPTED, ALL OF THE PROPERTIES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WERE SURVEYED, EACH ONE OF THEM IS CALLED OUT WITH A HISTORIC AND ARCHITECTTURALLY SIGNIFICANCE OF EITHER CONTRIBUTING TO THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF A DISTRICT OR NOT CONTRIBUTING TO THE HISTORIC CHARACTER OF THE DISTRICT. SO THOSE TWO CLASSIFICATIONS IN PAST PRACTICE THERE HAS NOT BEEN CLEAR GUIDANCE IN THE CRITERIA THAT HAVE BEEN ADOPTED FOR HOW DISTINCTIONS BETWEEN THOSE TWO PROPERTIES SHOULD BE MADE. THERE ARE DEFINITELY DISTINCTS THOUGH IN HOW THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION HAS IN ITS TENURE CARRIED OUT APPLYING THE CRITERIA TO EACH OF THOSE STRUCTURES. ESSENTIALLY GIVING MORE LEEWAY TO PROPERTIES THAT WERE CONSIDERED NON-CONTRIBUTING. SO PART OF WHAT BE ARE DOING WITH THIS REVISION IS TO CLEARLY DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN CONTRIBUTING AND NON-CONTRIBUTING PROPERTIES SO THAT FOLKS HAVE A VERY GOOD UNDERSTANDING AS THEY’RE GO NOTHING TO A PROJECT WHAT APPLIES TO THEM. THIS FINAL BULLET HERE THIS IS THE OTHER SIX ITEMS BESIDES THE REVIEW CRITERIA, UPDATING EACH ONE OF THE PRESERVATION PLANS, BE REMOVED THE EXISTING CRITERIA TO MAKE REFERENCE TO THE NEW AND WE’VE GONE THROUGH AND REASSESSED AND REVISED WHERE NEEDED THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THE PROPERTY THAT ARE INCLUDED, THEY ARE CONTRIBUTING OR NON-CONTRIBUTING STATUS. BECAUSE BE ARE CLEARLY DIFFERENTIATING IN THE CRITERIA BETWEEN CONTRIBUTING AND NONCONTRIBUTING WE WANTED TO MACK SURE THAT WE HAD AN UP-TO-DATE ASSESSMENT OF THOSE PROPERTIES AND ALSO INCLUDED IN THE DOCUMENT A COMMITMENT TO REASSESSING ON A REGULAR BASIS PROPOSING EVERY FIVE YEARS. SO JUST A QUICK OVERVIEW, AS I MENTIONED THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN IN THE WORKS FOR SOME TIME. IT IS RELATIVELY LARGE UNDERTAKING BUT JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU A SENSE OF WHAT THE PUBLIC INVOLVEMENT HAVE BEEN IN THIS PROCESS. THE ROJECT KICKED OFF IN DECEMBER OF 2012 WHERE WE HAD TWO SEPARATE INTRODUCTORY MEETINGS LETTING FOLKS KNOW WHAT SORT OF THE SCOPE THE PROJECT WAS AND HOW PEOPLE COULD BE INVOLVED AND GET IN TOUCH WITH THE FOLKS DRAFTING THE CHANGES. IN MAY OF 2013 WE HAD A SERIES OF FOCUSED GROUP MEETINGS TO TRY AND ADDRESS SOME SPECIFIC CONCERNS THAT HAD COME UP WITH CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS CASES OVER THE PAST SIX MONTHS PRIOR TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CHANGES THAT WE ARE PROPOSINGEN THIS DOCUMENT WE’RE GOING TO BE ADDRESSING THOSE ISSUES AND THEN IN JULY OF 2014 WHEN WE HAD A COMPLETE DRAFT OF JUST THE CRITERIA PIECE OF THIS DOCUMENT # WE HELD ANOTHER TWO PUBLIC MEETINGS IN ORDER TO GET FEEDBACK ON THE DRAFT CRITERIA AND GET ANY IDEAS FROM FOLKS ABOUT WHETHER THEY THOUGHT THAT THE CONCERNS THEY HAD RAISED AND OTHERS HAD RAISED WERE BEING ADDRESSED IN THAT DRAFT. AND THEN THIS PAST JULY WE HAD AN ADDITIONAL TWO MEETINGS WITH THE COMPLETE DOCUMENT REVISED CRITERIA FROM THE PREVIOUS YEARS INPUT AND ALL OF THESE INTRODUCTORY MATERIAL THEREAT ARE SORT OF INTENDED TO HELP FOLKS UNDERSTAND AND NAVIGATE THIS WHOLE PROCESS BETTER. SO THEN WE BEGAN THE ADOPTION PROCESS. WE STARTED WITH THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION, THIS WAS CONSIDERED BY THEM IN SEPTEMBER AND THEN IN OCTOBER GAVE THEIR UNANIMOUS RECOMMENDATION OF APPROVAL FOR THIS AND SEVERAL ITEMS WERE THEN INCORPORATED INTO THIS VERSION OF THE DOCUMENT, WHICH BRINGS US TO TODAY, YOUR CONSIDERATION IN THIS PUBLIC HEARING. IT WILL THEN GO ON TO BOTH CITY COUNCIL AND THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS FOR PUBLIC HEARINGS BEFORE FINAL ADOPTION. AND I WOULD BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.>>ANYONE WANT TO SPEAK TO THIS ITEM? DENISE HESTOR.>>GOOD EVENING, COMMISSIONERS. DENISE HESTOR. 3526 ABERCROMBIE DRIVE IN DURHAM. THIS ITEM ACTUALLY IS PROBABLY MORE APPROPRIATE FOR THE PREVIOUS UDO DISCUSSION BUT IT HAD ALREADY STARTED BEFORE I COULD SIGN UP BUT I THINK IT IS STILL APPLICABLE TO THE ENTIRE LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT PROCESS. , I’M CONCERNED THAT THE PROCESS FOR APPROVAL OF LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICTS, WE’VE REFERENCED THE PETITION PROCESS, THE NEED FOR IT, NOT THE NEED FOR IT, THERE IS A GRAY AREA THERE WHEN YOUR LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT HAS STATE-OWNED PROPERTY IN IT. WE FOUND THAT OUT IN A ALTERCATION WITH THE DEMOLITION OF THE RIVERA HOUSE AT THE CORNER OF LOFTEN AND FAYETTVILLE STREET. WHAT WE FOUND AND THIS ITEM WENT ALL OF THE WAY TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL’S OFFICE. THE UNIVERSITY WANTED TO TEAR IT DOWN, THE LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT PEOPLE WANTED TO PRESERVE IT IN SOME MANNER AND WHAT WE UNDERSTOOD AND I COULD BE WRONG IN MY INTERPRETATION, BUT WHAT UNDERSTOOD WAS DURING THE APPROVAL PROCESS WAS THAT BECAUSE IT WAS A STATE-OWNED PROPERTY THE COUNCIL OF STATE HAD TO ACTUALLY — THIS WAS TOLD TO US, THE COUNCIL OF STATE HAD TO ACTUALLY PROVE– APPROVE THE LOCAL HISTORIC KRYPT. YOU WANTED THE APPROVING PARTY. I DON’T KNOW WHETHER THAT IS TRUE OR NOT BUT THAT IS WHAT THE EXPLANATION GIVEN TO US FROM THE ATTORNEY GENERAL’S OFFICE. SO THAT BRINGS ME TO THE POINT OF EXPLICITLY UNDERSTANDING WHAT APPROVAL SAID ARE NECESSARY. WHEN YOU HAVE OTHER GOVERNMENTALLY OWNED PROPERTIES IN YOUR LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE REALLY CLEAR SO THAT THERE IS NOT AN OUT LATER IN THE PROCESS WHEN YOU GET INTO DISAGREEMENTS OVER PRESERVATION ISSUES IN TERMS OF WHO HAS THE FINAL SAY OR WHO DIDN’T WEIGH IN I DON’T EVEN KNOW, I I’M NOT SURE WHOSE RESPONSIBILITY IT WOULD HAVE BEEN TO ADVANCE THE ITEM TO THE COUNCIL OF STATE, I WOULD HAVE ASSUMED IT WOULD HAVE BEEN EITHER THE CITY, THE COUNTY GOVERNMENT, BOTH, PLANNING COMMISSION, PLANNING STAFF, I’M NOT SURE, IT IS A GRAY AREA AND I THINK IT NEEDS TO KIND OF BE FLESHED OUT BECAUSE THERE IS # OTHER THAN FAYETTVILLE STREET THERE MAY BE, I’M NOT ENTIRELY SURE BUT I THINK WATTS-HILLANDALE HAS SOME OF THE SAME, MAY HAVE SOME OF THE SAME ISSUES AND AT SOME POINT THERE MIGHT BE SOME INTERACTION THERE. SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE SOME INVESTIGATION AND UNDERSTANDING OF JUST WHOSE APPROVAL IS NECESSARY THROUGH THE CHAIN OF COMMAND FOR APPROVAL LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND/OR MAKING CHANGES, THANK YOU.>>THANK YOU. DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER PUBLIC, PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS ISSUE.>>ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE AUDIENCE WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK? IF NOT THEN WE WILL CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING AND BRING IT BACK BEFORE THE COMMISSIONERS.>>COMMISSIONERS WISHING TO SPEAK, COMMISSIONERS WISHING TO SPEAK. COMMISSIONER MILLLER.>>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. I HAVE FOLLOWED THIS PROJECT WITH SOME INTEREST AND ATTENDED SOME OF THE MEETINGS THAT THE STAFF HAS SPONSORED AND GENERALLY AS A SOMETIME APPLICANT ON MY OWN PROPERTY AND THEN ASSISTING OTHER PEOPLE WITH THEIR PROPERTIES IN FRONT OF THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION HAVE MEAN OF THE PROBLEMS THAT THIS DOCUMENT IS MEANT TO ADDRESS, ESPECIALLY THE PROBLEMS ASSOCIATED WITH NEW CONSTRUCTION, OR MODIFICATION OF A PROPERTY THAT’S BEEN CLASSIFIED AS NON-CONTRIBUTING AND I AM GRATEFUL FOR THAT. THIS DOCUMENT, THE NEW REVIEW CRITERIA SEEKS TO ADDRESS THOSE IN ORDER TO GIVE BETTER GUIDANCE TO THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION AS THEY DEAL WITH THESE APPLICATIONS, HAVING SAID THAT THOUGH I’M NOT PERFECTLY SATISFIED WITH ALL OF THE PROVISIONS THAT ARE IN IT AND IF I MAY I’D LIKE TO DRAW IT TO STAFF’S ATTENTION MY OBJECTION TO THE MAINTENANCE PROVISION THAT’S ON PAGE 36 OF THE DOCUMENT. SO THIS IS WITH REGARD OO WHAT REQUIRES A CEA WHEN A PROPERTY IS CLASSIFIED AS NON-CONTRIBUTING. THE MODIFICATION OR INSTALLATION OF REPLACEMENT OR WINDOWS AND DOORS NOT FACING THE STREET, I GUESS THIS IS A QUESTION, IF A HOUSE OR STRUCTURE IS ON A CORNER LEASE NOT FACING THE STREET, THE BOAT STREET FACES, A.>>THAT’S CORRECT.>>THEN I’LL SATISFIED ON THAT.>>WITH REGARD TO THE LAST BULLET THERE, OFFER OF ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS AND CLADDING MATERIAL YOU WON’T HAVE TO GET A CEA FOR THAT.>>FOR NON-CONTRIBUTING PROPERTIES.>>THAT’S IN MY OPINION YOU COULD WIPE OUT THE REST OF IT AND JUST HAVE THAT PROVISION, ALTERATION OF ARCHITECTURAL DETAILS MEANS SO LITTLE OR ENCOMPASSES SO MUCH TO ME THAT I DON’T SEE HOW THAT IS A USEFUL REVIEW CRITERIA FOR ANY QUASI JUDICIAL BODY, IT IS JUST TOO BROAD. I MEAN, EVERYTHING ON THE EXTERIOR OF THE STRUCTURE COULD BE CLASSIFIED AS ARCHITECTURAL DETAIL, TEAR IT DOWN AND START OVER WITHOUT A CEA, THAT’S NOT WHAT IS INTENDED HERE, IS IT?>>NO. WE CAN LOOK AT MODIFYING THAT LANGUAGE TO BE CLEAR.>>I THINK WE CAN GET MUCH CLOSER TO WHAT WE MEAN AND ACTUALLY IN OTHER PLACES HERE WE CLEARLY CONTEMPLATE MODIFICATIONS SIG COMPETENTLY LESS THAN THAT AS ACTUALLY REQUIRE AG COA.>>IF I MAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, WHILE I HAVE THE MICROPHONE ASK STAFF TO LOOK AT PAGE 44, THIS IS JUST I GUESS A PETIT DETAIL BUT SINCE ILLUSTRATIONS WILL BE USED FOR THE PUBLIC TO GUIDE WHAT THEY DO, THERE IS A STRUCTURE THERE THAT IS IDENTIFIED AS A KNEE ACCESSERARY STRUCTURE ACROSS THE STREET FROM ME AND IT’S NOT NEW, IT IS A MODIFICATION TO AN EXISTING STRUCTURE, HOWEVER, THERE IS A REALLY GOOD NEW STRUCTURE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE ON ALABAMA AVENUE THAT WOULD MAKE A GREAT ILLUSTRATION, OPPORTUNITY SEND SOMEBODY OUT WITH A CAMERA TO SUBSTITUTE A PICTURE AND KEEP THE SAME CAPTION. ON PAGE 47 AND 61, MY OBJECTIONS ARE THE SAME. AND THESE ARE STATEMENTS WITH REGARD TO NON-CONTRIBUTING PROPERTIES IN RESIDENTIAL AND NON-RESIDENTIAL HISTORIC DISTRICTS AND THAT’S IN A1, MODIFICATIONS TO STRUCTURES SHALL NOT COMPLETELY CHANGE THE ARCHITECTURAL STYLE OF THE ORIGINAL STRUCTURE. AGAIN, NOT COMPLETELY CHANGED IS SO BROAD AND WHAT IT ENCOMPASSES THAT IT IS NOT AN EFFECTIVE GUIDELINE. I JUST DON’T SEE HOW THAT CAN STEER, TELL ANYBODY HOW TO RULE, OR EVEN SHAPE A RULING. WHEN YOU LOOK AT PAGE 48 JUST ACROSS THE WAY WE CONTEMPLATE FOR NEW STRUCTURES AS OPPOSED TO EXISTING NON-CONTRIBUTING PROPERTIES. NEW STRUCTURES, SCALE, HEIGHT AND MASSING. SO WE HAVE THE TOOLS AND THE LANGUAGE THAT CAN HELP US SAY WHAT WE MEAN HERE. I DON’T SEE A PROBLEM WITH APPROVING A COA FOR AN EXITING NON-CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES AS LONG AS WE RESPECT THE SCALE, HEIGHT AND MASSING ISSUES THAT APPEAR # WE’VE GOT THE TOOLS LABELED, I’D LIKE TO SEE THEM TRANSFERRED OVER SO WE AVOID THINGS LIKE SHALL NOT COMPLETELY CHANGE. THAT APPEARS ON PAGE 47 AND PAGE 61. AS IT’S WRITTEN THE STANDARDS FOR NEW STRUCTURES ARE STRICTER THAN MODIFICATIONS TO EXISTING STRUCTURES THAT ARE NOT CONTRIBUTING AND I’M NOT SURE THAT’S ACTUALLY WHAT WAS INTENDED AND WITH THAT MR. CHAIRMAN THOSE ARE MY COMMENTS, THANK YOU.>>COMMISSIONER FREEMAN.>>JUST TWO QUESTIONS, I BANTED TO KNOW WHAT THE BASIS WAS FOR THE FIVE YEAR REASSESSMENT FOR THE CONTRIBUTING AND NONCONTRIBUTING.>>CERTAINLY. CONSIDERING WE HAVE A LOT OF DISTRICTS AND A LOT OF PROPERTIES IN THEM BUT ALSO WOULDN’T BE SO SPREAD OUT THAT IT WOULD ALLOW TIME TO PASS POTENTIALLY NEEDING A CHANGE TO THE CONTRIBUTING STATUS WITHOUT THE OPPORTUNITY TO DO THAT, SO WE’RE TRYING TO FIND BETWEEN THOSE TWO THINGS. BUT THERE WASN’T ANY STRONG DIRECTION. SO WE’VE LEFT IT ASIDE FOR NOW.>>IT PROBABLY WOULD BE # BETTER TO DO IT LONGER TIMEFRAME CONSIDERING PLANNING STAFF IS SHORT ON TIME. [LOW AUDIO] [INAUDIBLE] ALSO ADDITIONALLY FOR THE RE-ELECTION STANDARDS AND UNDERSTAND, WALK ME THROUGH, IF YOU’RE SETTING UP FOR RELOCATING PROPERTY THAT WOULD BE DEMOLISHED IT PROBABLY DOESN’T MEET CURRENT STANDARDS, YOU’RE ACTUALLY MAKING SURE, YOU’RE ACTUALLY ADDING ON, ONCE THEY PLACE THE PROPERTY ON THE NEW LOT OR A NEW PLACE BIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT OR?>>LET ME BACK UP JUST A SECOND. THE RELOCATION AND DEMOLITION STANDARDS ARE TWO SEPARATE SITUATIONS THEY ARE GROUPED INTO ONE SECTION. THE DEMOLITION IS OBVIOUSLY WHEN YOU ARE TEARING DOWN A STRUCTURE. THE RELOCATION STANDARDS ARE IF YOU ARE MOVE AG STRUCTURE INTO ONE PLACE TO ANOTHER OR INTO A STRUCTURE THAT’S BEEN DONE BEFORE.>>AND YOU’RE ASKING FOR THOSE STRUCTURES TO BE, FOLLOW THE NEW CONSTRUCTION STANDARDS IS THAT NORMAL PROTOCOL IS WHAT I’M GETTING AT.>>NEW CONSTRUCTION STADDARDS REPLACEMENT. SO ESSENTIALLY WE’VE ESTABLISHED PLACEMENT STANDARDS FOR NEW CONSTRUCTION THAT LOOK AT THE PLACEMENT OF OTHER CONTRIBUTING STRUCTURES FIRST IN THE BLOCK PHASE AND THEN IN THE DISTRICT AS A WHOLE AND THAT’S WHAT WE WOULD BE LOOKING FOR SOMEONE TO FOLLOW IN MOVING A HISTORIC STRUCTURE INTO A LOCAL DISTRICT OR WITHIN A LOCAL DISTRICT, OK.>>I WOULD MAKE THE SUGGESTION THAT YOU DO SEPARATE THE RELOCATION AND THE DEMOLITION, BUT I MEAN, IT’S NOT A MAJOR. ADDITIONAL COM, COMMISSIONER WHITELY.>>I’VE LEARNED A LOT, JUST LISTENING. MY WIFE AND I WHEN WE GO WE LIKE TO VISIT HISTORICAL NEIGHBORHOODS AND ONE OF THE COMMON THINGS THAT WE SEE IS WHO LIVED IN WHAT HOUSE. DURHAM HAS A LOT OF RICH HISTORY AND WE PAY MORE ATTENTION TO THE ARCHITECTURAL VALUE THEN WHAT PEOPLE THAT LIVE THERE CONTRIBUTE TO A COMMUNITY. I HAPPEN TO LIVE IN ONE OF THE OLD NEIGHBORHOODS AND WE LOSE A LOT OF HISTORY BECAUSE WE DON’T HAVE INFORMATION THAT WOULD KEY NOTE OR SAY WHAT THIS PERSON, I MEAN THIS HOUSE IS OLD AND SUCH AND SUCH A PERSON CRYPT OOD THE COMMUNITY , YOU KNOW, IN SALISBURY, GOOD EXAMPLE YOU CAN WALK ANY HISTORICAL NEIGHBORHOOD IN SALISBURY AND YOU CAN READ THE HISTORY OF A NEIGHBORHOOD JUST BY SIGNS THAT POINT OUT WHOIVE ALL IN THOSE COMMUNITIES. WE DON’T HAVE THAT. AND EACH TIME I GO THROUGH ONE OF THESE HISTORICAL PRESERVATIONS I DON’T HEAR ANY OF THAT, I HEAR WHERE OUR HISTORY IS BEING LANDMARKED. YOU KNOW AND IT SHOULD BE. THIS IS A WONDERFUL CITY AND WE HAVE WONDERFUL RICH HISTORY. AND WHEN YOU GOING TO PROTECT THAT FOR US IF PRESERVATION IS NOT.>>>YOU WANT TO ADDRESS THE PROGRAM.>>COMMISSIONER WHITELY, I WANTED TO LET YOU KNOW THAT PRESERVATION DURHAM, WHICH IS DURHAM’S PRIVATE HISTORIC PRESERVATION ORGANIZATION DOES HAVE A PLIGHT PROGRAM, WHICH IS ACTUALLY CONTEMPLATED BY AN ORDINANCE IN THE UDO THAT ALLOWS FOR THE ERECTION OF PLAQUES ON HOUSES TO ACCOMPLISH JUST EXACTLY WHAT YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT. THE PROGRAM IS RELATIVELY NEW BUT THERE ARE ABOUT 150 OR MORE PLAQUES UP, IT IS A VOLUNTARY PROGRAM SO THE HOMEOWNER HAS TO ASK FOR IT. IT DOES REQUIRE THE COMPPLATION OF THE HISTORY OF THE HOUSE, NOT MERELY ITS ARCHITECTURE AND STRUCTURE BUT OF ALL OF THE PEOPLE WHO LIVED IN IT. I DO THESE APPLICATIONS # FOR PEOPLE. RIGHT NOW THE PLAQUES ARE CONCENTRATED QUITE FRANKLY IN THE MORE AFFLUENT HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS AND THERE ARE A FEWER OF THEM IN THE LESS AFFLUENT HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS BUT I CAN TELL YOU THE PEOPLE ASSOCIATED WITH THE PROGRAM ARE VERY CONCERNED ABOUT THAT AND ARE WORKING TO MAKE SURE THAT PLAQUES ARE GOING UP ALL OVER TOWN, I’M WORKING ON A PLAQUE APPLICATION ON EAST MAIN STREET RIGHT NOW AND HAVE SEVERAL OTHERS KIND OF IN THE WORKS. UNFORTUNATELY THE COST OF THE PLAQUES THERE ARE CAST BRONZE, THE ONLY MATERIAL THAT ACTUALLY LASTS # WHEN WE CAST ABOUT OTHER CITIES ABOUT HOW TO DO THE PLAQUE PROGRAM, DON’T DO PAINTED WOOD BECAUSE EVERY TWO YEARS YOU HAVE TO BUY NEW ONES. BRONZE IS TOO EXPENSIVE UP FRONT BUT YOU NEVER GO BACK, SO IT’S NOT A PERFECT A.M. PRA, BUT THE PROGRAM IS OUT THERE. BUT I WOULD LIKE TO ECHO WHAT YOU SAY, IT’S NOT JUST THE BUILDINGS IT IS THE PEOPLE AND I WISH THERE WAS SOME PAY THE CITY OF DURHAM COULD BE MORE EFFECTIVE AT MARKING THE HISTORIC NEIGHBORHOODS THEN WE CURRENTLY ARE. I WORKED ON GETTING THE CITY TO ADOPT ITS FIRST HISTORIC DISTRICT ORDINANCES YEARS AGO BACK WHEN WE HAD THE HISTORIC DISTRICT COMMISSION AND ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE TALKED ABOUT WAS A SYSTEM OF UNIFORM SIGNAGE BUT THAT PART OF IT HAS NEVER COME THROUGH. THAT’S A QUESTION QUITE FRANKLY CITY PRIORITIES AND HOW THE CITY SPENDS MONEY, BUT WITH PEOPLE LIKE YOU AND ME NICHING AT THEIR HEELS MAY BE WEEK GET THAT FIXED. I CERTAINLY KNOW THAT THERE IS NO OPPOSITION ON THE PART OF STAFF TO IMPROVING THE PROGRAM ACROSS THE BOARD.>>COMMISSIONER FREEMAN.>>I WAS JUST GOING TO ECHO THAT IN THAT. [LOW AUDIO] COMMISSIONER WHITELY AND COMMISSIONER MILLLER. I WANTED TO KNOW IF THERE WAS A PROCESS IN PLACE OF MOVING THOSE PLAQUES ACTUALLY INTO A HISTORIC PROCESS, HISTORIC RECOGNITION WITHIN THE LOCAL COMMUNITY [LOW AUDIO] I’M NOT SURE YOU’RE WONDERING ALL WANT THERE IS THERE IS A WAY TO REQUIRE PLAQUES?>>IF THERE WERE A WRAY TO KIND OF. [INAUDIBLE] SIMULATE THAT PROCESS SO THAT THE PLAQUES THAT ARE LOCATED ON HOUSES, WHICH DO IDENTIFY THE PEOPLE IN HISTORY THAT ARE OF SIGNIFICANT, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, BUT PRETTY MUCH JUST KNOWING IS THERE A WAY TO NEW PROCESS ALONG IN THIS HORTORRIC PRESERVATION PROCESS AND IS THE REVIEW ARCHITECTURAL.>>TO TRY AND ENCOURAGE THE FOLKS TO DO THE PLAQUE PROGRAM?>>TO ENCOURAGE THEM TO DO THE PLAQUE PROGRAM, MAYBE SOMETHING SO THAT IT RECS INS OR IDENTIFIES NOT JUST THE HOUSES THAT ARE CONTRIBUTING BUT ALSO THE PLAQUES THAT ARE ARE CONTRIBUTING IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS OR JUST SOMETHING SEPARATE.>>GOT IT. WE DEFINITELY, ONE OTHER THINGS WHEN WE MADE REVISIONS TO THE HISTORIC LANDMARK PROGRAM RECENTLY ONE OF THE THINGS WE ADDED IN IS A REQUIREMENT TO PUT UP A PLAQUE THAT ACTUALLY DESIGNED TO WORK WITH THOSE FROM PRESERVATION DURHAM IN ORDER TO IDENTIFY IT AS A HISTORIC LANDMARK. SO THAT’S ONE WAY WE’RE SORT OF TRYING TO TIE INTO THAT. IT IS NOT SOMETHING THAT WE’VE LOOKED AT FOR HISTORIC DISTRICTS. I THINK THAT FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE LOOKING MORE AT ELIMINATING THE DISTRICT AS A WHOLE, AS A FIRST STEP IS PROBABLY WHERE I WOULD THINK WE WOULD WANT TO START.>>OK. SO SPECIFICALLY FOR THE MURRAY HOUSE THAT HAS A PLAQUE, HOW DID THAT PROCESS WORK AND IS THAT OUTLINED IN THIS GUIDE?>>THAT IS NOT. IT IS NOT PART OF THE LOCAL HISTORIC PROCESS AT ALL. SO I CAN’T ANSWER THAT QUESTION.>>OK. [LOW AUDIO] [INAUDIBLE] [OFF MIC] LIFT IDENTIFYING HOMES.>>THE INFORMATION THAT IN TERMS OF THE PLAQUES PROVIDED INSIDE OF THE PRESERVATION PLANS OR?>>IT SEEMS LIKE A REFERENCE POINT SO PEOPLE KNOW WHERE THAT INFORMATION IS. I MEAN, I THINK COMMISSIONER WHITELY IS PRETTY WELL INFORMED ABOUT THE THINGS GOING ON IN THE COMMUNITY AND THE FACT HE DOESN’T KNOW ABOUT THAT PLAQUE PROGRAM.>>SURE. I THINK MAPPING OUT WHERE THE EXITING PLAQUES ARE WOULD BE A SIMPLE PROCESS.>>WIN-WIN.>>COMMISSIONER WINDERS.>>I’D LIKE TO, WOULD YOU PLEASE COMMENT ON MISS HESTOR’S ISSUE ABOUT STATE-OWNED PROPERTY AND THE PROCESS.>>I CAN CONFIRM THAT THE ISSUE THAT SHE RAISED, WHICH CAME TO OUR ATTENTION DURING THE POTENTIAL DEMOLITION OF THE RIVERA HOUSE, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE WERE JUST, WE’RE GOING TO BE DOING SOME MORE DISCUSSION WITH OUR CITY ATTORNEY IN ORDER TO LOOK AT ONE OF THE ISSUES IS LOOKING AT WHEN THE STATE PURCHASE PROPERTY, THERE ARE STATE OWNED PROPERTIES THAT WERE PURCHASED AFTER THE DISTRICT WAS CREATED SPECIFICALLY IN THE STABLE TREE DISTRICT BUT WE NEED RECORDS OF WHEN THAT OCCURRED BECAUSE THE KRYPTWAS IN PLACE HAD THEY PURCHASED THE PROPERTY THEY ARE SUBJECT TO THOSE REQUIREMENTS. REGARDLESS OF THE COUNCIL’S STATE REQUIREMENT FOR IT. SO THAT ONLY PLIES IF THEY ALREADY OWN THE PROPERTY AND WE ARE TRYING TO PUT A NEW ZONING OVER LAY ON TOP OF THAT PROPERTY. SO IT IS AN ISSUE THAT WE’RE TRYING TO GET MORE CLARITY ON SO THAT WE FULLY UNDERSTAND WHICH PROPERTIES ARE SUBJECT TO THAT DESIGNATION AND CAN GET THE CLARITY ABOUT WHETHER THERE IS POSSIBILITY FOR GETTING DISTRICT AUTHORITY OVER SOME OF THESE OTHER PROPERTIES, IM ARELER NOT SURE WHAT THE LOOKLYHEAD OF THAT IS.>>RIV ERA HOUSE WAS TORN DOWN A LONG TIME AGO.>>IT WAS. SO THIS HAS COME UP, THE QUESTION OF AS WE ARE LOOKING AT REVISING THESE PRESERVATION PLANS AND ESSENTIALLY A ZONING MAP CHANGE AGAIN FOR EACH OF THESE HAS BEEN PART OF THING CONVERSATIONS THAT HAVE COME UP AROUND THAT AGAIN.>>COMMISSIONER WHITLY.>>I WANT TO GO BACK TO, I THINK FOR THE INFORMATION THEY SHARED ABOUT THE PLAQUE SYSTEM, BEUTTHE POINT I WAS TRYING TO RAISE WAS THAT IT IS NOT A CRITERIA. AND IF PEE START MAKING A CRITERIA WE’LL CREAM WITH INFORMATION TO SHARE WITH PEOPLE AS THEY GO THROUGH INFORMATION. HOW DO YOU MAKE THAT POSSIBLE?>>I WOULD SAY THAT THE IDEA, PEOPLE SIGNIFICANT IN OUR HISTORY IS VERY MUCH APART OF OUR MARKED DEZ IGNAZE. IF YOU’VE RED THROUGH THE PLANS THE HISTORY IN THESE NEIGHBORHOODS DEFINITELY TALK ABOUT PEOPLE WHO WERE IMPORTANT TO ITS DEVELOPMENT. IN ADDITION, WE DO HAVE SOME LANDMARK DESIGNATIONS THAT ARE MAINLY SIGNIFICANT FOR THEIR ASSOCIATION WITH A PARTICULAR PERSON AND SO THAT IS PART OF IT. IT IS NOT, IT COULD PROBABLY BE HIGHLIGHTED MORE, BUT IT IS CERTAINLY APART OF THE OVERALL HISTORIC PRESERVATION PROGRAM.>>BUT IT KEPT BE MADE A CRITERIA?>>BUT IT CAN’T BE MADE A CRITERIA? #.>>SARA YOUNG WITH THE PLANNING REMEMBER DA. I THINK THERE MAY BE A LITTLE DISCEP. SO THE STATE LEGISLATION THAT BASICALLY SETS OUT AND REQUIRES THAT WE HAVE CRITERIA IN PLACES IN DISTRICTS BASICALLY REQUIRES THAT ANY PHYSICAL MODIFICATIONS TO A STRUCTURE BE DONE ACCORDING TO CRITERIA, CRITERIA IMPLIED THAT DEALS WITH THE PHYSICAL ASPECTS OF THAT STRUCTURE #. SO CULTURAL REFERENCES, OTHER HISTORICAL REFERENCES NART TIED TO THE ARCHITECTURAL REALLY JUST KIND OF BEYOND THE SCOPE OF WHAT WE CAN DEAL WITH IN TERMS OF CRITERIA.>>SO I THINK THE DISCONNECT THOUGH HAS TO DO, THE CRITERIA WE’RE TALKING ABOUT IS WHEN SOMEBODY GETS A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS TO MAKE A CHANGE. SAY I WANT TO TAKE THIS WINDOW OUT AND PUT ANOTHER WINDOW IN. THE TIME WHEN THE CULTURAL SIGNIFICANCE, THE PEOPLE PART OF IT, WHO LIVED IN THE HOUSE COMES UP IS NOT AT THE COA PROCESS WHEN YOU’RE DEALING WITH EACH OWNER’S DESIRE TO MAKE SOME MODIFICATION OR CHANGE TO THE EXTERIOR OF A PROPERTY THAT’S ALREADY IN A DISTRICT IT COMES UP WHEN THE DISTRICT IS CREATED. ONE OF THE THINS THAT HAS TO BE CREATED BEFORE THE COUNCIL, CITY COUNCIL OR BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS CAN APPROVE A DISTRICT IS A THOROUGH SURVEY OF ALL OF THE HISTORICAL ASSETS IN THE DISTRICT. THIS SURVEY IS BY CUSTOM BUT NOT NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE THIS WAY, BUT IN DURHAM IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN DONE BY HISTORIC PRESERVATION EXPERTS AND THEY DO, THIS IS A GIGANTIC DOCUMENT, STRUCTURE BY STRUCTURE, WHO BUILT IT AND WHEN SOMETHING IS REALLY SIGNIFICANT THAT’S THERE. ALL OF THIS INFORMATION IS ACTUALLY IN THE LIBRARY, ON-LINE. WHEN SOMEBODY APPLIES AND ALL OF THAT IS THERE ALL WANT WE HAVE DONE A VERY GOOD JOB OF MAKING IT READILY AVAILABLE BY PUBLICATIONS AND WHAT HAVE YOU CERTAINLY WE COULD DO MORE, WE COULD EXPLOIT THE DATA WE’VE COLLECTED MORE EFFECTIVELIMENT THE PLAQUE PROGRAM THAT I MENTIONED BEFORE TAKES IT EVEN FURTHER. AND SO DOES THE LANDMARK DESIGNATION. THOSE DOCUMENTS ARE REALLY WONDERFUL. AGAIN THAT DEPENDS UPON THE OWNER APPLYING FOR LANDP PMARK STATUS, WE DON’T HAVE VERY LANDMARKS DESIGNATED IN DURHAM BUT FOR THE DISTRICTS ALL OF THAT INFORMATION IS THERE. BUT ONE, YOU HAVE TO KNOW WHERE TO FIND IT AND YOU HAVE TO GO LOOK FOR IT. BUT IT IS THERE. WE DO COLLECT IT. THE QUESTION IS ARE WE EXPLOITING IT AS EFFECTIVELY AS WE COULD AND I COULDN’T AGREE WITH YOU MORE, MORE.>>I HAVE ONE QUESTION, THE SIS A LOT OF MATERIAL, I DON’T WANT TO CARRY IT AROUND WITH ME, IT IS AVAILABLE ON THE INTERNET ON THE HOME PAGE?>>YES. WE HAVE A SPECIAL SECTION OF OUR ORDINANCE RIGHT NOW UNDER CURRENT TOPPENINGS THAT HAS THIS ITEM THERE. ONE IS THROUGH THE ADOPTION PROCESS, BE HAVE A SPECIAL TAB FOR HISTORIC PRESERVATION, FRONT AND CENTER THERE AND ACCESSIBLE TO FOLKS.>>NO OTHER COMMENTS, THE CHAIR WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION ON THIS ITEM. NOBODY WANT TO MOVE THE ITEM.>>MR. CHAIRMAN I WAS PREPARED TO MAKE A MOTION BUT COMMISSIONER FREEMAN I THINK HAS ANOTHER QUESTION.>>JUST FOR THE SAKE OF CLARITY AND MY PEACE OF MIND, UNDER DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT WHERE IT SAYS ANY FAULT DEFECTS CONDITION IN THE BUILDING, WHICH IS A. [LOW AUDIO] [LOW AUDIO]>>THAT’S ACTUALLY A DIRECT EXCERPT FROM OUR ORDINANCE, SO IF WE WERE GOING TO CHANGE THAT WE WOULD WANT TO CHANGE THE ORDINANCE. WHICH WOULD BE A SEPARATE PROCESS.>>I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT IS CLEAR THAT THAT’S NOT WITH ANY DEFAULTS, WHAT HAVE YOU, THAT BECOMES A DEMOLITION BY NEGLECT. BUT RATHER THAT IT RENDERS PROPERTY OR THE STRUCTURE UNSAFE. [INAUDIBLE] [OFF MIC] HOW WOULD WE GO ABOUT CHANGING THE ORDINANCE?>>WE CAN LOOK AT CLARIFICATION IN THE NEXT ROUND OF TEXT CHANGES.>>OK. SO WOULD YOU HAVE TO WAIT TO CHANGE THIS?>>YES.>>OK.>>COMMISSIONER MILLLER.>>MR. CHAIRMAN, I’M GOING TO MAKE A MOTION HERE, BUT I WANT MY FOALO COMMISSIONER MEMBERS TO KNOW THAT I’M GOING TO VOTE AGAINST IT. WITHOUT SOME ASSURANCE THAT WE’RE GOING TO FIX THAT BROAD LANGUAGE THAT I OBJECTED TO. MY OBJECTIONS ARE NOT MINOR ONES THEY’RE SERIOUS ONES AND I DON’T THINK WE SHOULD MOVE FORWARD UNLESS THOSE ARE REPAIRED, BUT BECAUSE IT IS LATE AND WE STILL HAVE AGENDA ITEMS AND I HAVE TAKEN UP A LOT OF THE COMMISSION’S TIME I’M GOING TO MOVE THAT WE SEND THIS FORWARD TO THE COUNCIL AND TO THE BOARD OF COUNTY COMMISSIONERS WITH A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION ON CONDITION THAT THE LANGUAGE IS CLARIFIED ON PAGE 36 AND ON PAGES 47 AND 61 WITH REGARD TO THE OVERBROAD LANGUAGE THAT I PREVIOUSLY POINTED OUT.>>DO THE COMMISSIONERS UNDERSTAND A MOTION BEFORE US?>>DO I HEAR A SECOND TO APPROVING, — HOLD ON, TIMEOUT. WE’RE GOING TO TAKE THESE ITEMS ONE AT A TIME.>>7A. OK.>>SO THIS IS 7A, LOCAL REVIEW UPDATES AND CONSOLIDATION UPDATES. ALL THOSE IN FAVOR OF APPROVING 7A, LET ME HAVE A ROLL CALL VOTE.>>I MISSED, WHO MADE THAT A SECOND? WHITELY?>>YES.>>OK, MR. BUZBY. [ROLL CALL] THE MOTION CARRIES 9-2.>>>OK. MOTION APPROVED 9-2. CAN I GET A MOTION FOR 7B.>>MR. CHAIRMAN I MOVE THAT WE SEND THE ITEM 7B, THE MODIFICATION, TO THE CLEVELAND STREET AND HOLOWAY STREET PRESERVATION PLAN UPDATE TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND THAT WOULD JUST GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL; IS THAT CORRECT? TO THE CITY COUNCIL WITH A FAVORABLE RECOMMENDATION ON CONDITION THAT THE LANGUAGE CONTAINED IN THE MODIFIED LOCAL REVIEW CRILTERIA BE FIXED TO RESOLVE THE AMBIG WITH US LANGUAGE IDENTIFIED ON PAGES 36, 47 AND 61.>>SECOND.>>MOTION BY MILLLER, SECONDED BY BUZBY. [ROLL CALL] IT CARE EASE 9-2.>>OK. MOTION CARRIES 9-2. MOTION FOR 7C.>>MR. CHAIRMAN, IS IT ACCEPTABLE TO THE COMMISSION MEMBERS AND THE STAFF TO SIMPLY SAY I MAKE THE SAME MOTION WITH REGARD TO 7C THAT I MADE BEREGARD TO 7B.>>ANY OBJECTIONS?>>THEN THAT’S MY MOTION.>>DO I HEAR A SECOND.>>SECONDED BY COMMISSIONER RILEY. [ROLL CALL] MOTION CARRIES 10-1. WE’RE ON ITEM G, PRESENTATION COMPANTH NEIGHBORHOOD FUTURE LANDUSE UPDATE.>>GOOD EVENING COMMISSIONERS. HANNA JACOBSON WITH THE DURHAM PLANNING DEPARTMENT. I LAST CAME BEFORE THIS GROUP IN AUGUST OF THIS YEAR TO GIVE YOU A REPORT ON OUR COMPACT NEIGHBORHOOD PLANNING PROCESS. TONIGHT I AM ALSO GIVING AN INFORMATIONAL PRESENTATION ON STAFF’S RECOMMENDATION. SO YOU WILL NART BE ASKED OO VOTE TONIGHT BUT BREE ANTICIPATING A PUBLIC HEARING IN JANUARY OF NEXT YEAR SO IN THE INNERMEET MONTHS WE DO ENCOURAGE YOU TO LOOK OVER THESE REPORTS, THERE WAS ALATER TO LOOK THROUGH TONIGHT. LOOK OVER THE REPORTS, FEEL FREE TO ASK STAFF QUESTIONS, WE’RE FREE TO MEET WITH YOU INDIVIDUALLY, SO THERE IS THAT, TO THE POINT. THE PURPOSE OF THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN TO UPDATE THE FUTURE LANDUSE MAP OF THE DURHAM COMPREHENSIVE PLAN SO THAT IT ALIGNS BOATER WITH THE PLAN DURHAM ORANGE LIGHT RAIL TRANSPORTATION LINE. IT ALSO GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO REENGAGE WITH THE COMMUNITY, MANY OF THESE AREAS HAVE CHANGED DRAMATICALLY IN THE LAST 10 YEARS SINCE THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN WAS ADOPTED, IT ALSO GIVES US AN OPPORTUNITY TO HELP IDENTIFY ISSUES EARLY ON THAT SHOULD BE ADDRESSED IN COMPACT NEIGHBORHOODS PRIOR TO RE-ZONING OR THE OPENING OF THE DURHAM ORANGE LIGHT RAIL LINE. JUST A LITTLE BACKGROUND. THE 2005 COMPREHENSIVE PLAN INTRODUCES THIS IDEA OF DEVELOPMENT TIERS AND THE COMPACT NEIGHBORHOOD TIER WAS INTRODUCED AS A WAY TO PROMOTE HIGHER DENSITY, A MIX OF USES AND MORE WALKABLE ENVIRONMENTS AROUND THE PROPOSED REGIONAL RAIL TRANSIT STATIONS. A FIRST PHASE OF THE REGIONAL RAIL TRANSIT STATIONS, TRANSIT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE FROM DURHAM TO WADE COUNTY SO COMPACT NEIGHBORHOODS WERE PUT INTO PLACE AROUND THE MEDICAL CENTER AT NIGHT STREET, AROUND ALLSON AVENUE AND THEN TWO DOWN IN THE RESEARCH TRIANGLE PARK. WE OF COURSE NOW KNOW THAT THE FIRST LINE IS THE DURHAM ORANGE LIGHT RAIL LINE, WHICH FOLLOWS, WHICH COVERS AREAS IN LEE VILLAGE, PATTERSON PLACE AND SOUTH SQUARE AND IN THESE AREAS, WHICH WERE INTENDED TO BE LATER PHASES OF THE LIGHT RAIL SYSTEM THEY WERE DESIGNATED AS SUBURBAN TRANSIT AREAS. AND THESE COMPACT NEIGHBORHOODS AND SUBURBAN TRANSIT AREAS ARE IMPORTANT BECAUSE OF REGION IS GROWING TREMENDOUSLY QUICKLY. LAST YEAR WE WERE IDENTIFIES AS ONE OF THE HARDEST LARGEST METRO AREAS IN THE COUNTRY AND WE’RE GROWING FAST, THE 15th FASTEST GROWING OF ALL OF THOSE ON TAP 100. OF GROWTH BY REDUCING INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS. IT CAN HELP TO REDUCE TRANSPORTATION COSTS FOR HOUSEHOLDS AND IT CAN CONNECT PEOPLE WHO DO NOT HAVE ACCESS TO CARS EITHER BY NECESSITY AND CHOICE FOR OTHER JOBS THROUGHOUT THE REGION. SO A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT WHAT A COMPACT NEIGHBORHOOD IS, IT IS SOMEWHAT OF A DIFFICULT TERM BUT THERE ARE AREAS NEAR PLANNED REGIONAL RAIL TRANSIT STATIONS THAT ARE ENVISIONED OVERTIME TO BECOME MORE HIGH DENSITY MIX USED AND PEDESTRIAN FRIENDLY. WE TEND TO THINK OF THEM AS HAVING MORE OF A STREET ORIENTED BUILDING, SO BUILDINGS THAT ARE BUILT TUPE A SIDEWALK OR TUPE THE STREET, THEY’RE NOT FAR SETBACK FROM A ROAD, MAYBE WITHOUT A, PAING LOT IN FRONT OF IT. WE TEND TO THINK OF COMPACT NEIGHBORHOODS AS HAVING MORE OF A GRID LAYOUT OF STREETS, FOR EXAMPLE APPROPRIATELY SCALED STREETS FOR THE PEDESTRIAN OR FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE ON BIKES AND HAVING GREATER TRANSPORTATION CHOICES AS WELL. IN ADDITION TO THESE GENERAL CHARACTERISTICS OF A COMPACT NEIGHBORHOOD WE’VE INCLUDED TWO ADDITIONAL ONES, THE FIRST ONE IS THIS NOTION OF TAPERING DEVELOPMENT INTENSITY. THE GOAL IS TO HAVE THE MOST INTENSE DEVELOPMENT RIGHT AROUND THE LIGHT RAIL STATION AND THEN AS YOU TRANSITION FURTHER AWAY FROM THE LIGHT RAIL STATION TO THE THE SURROUNDING AREAS MAYBE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD OR A SENSITIVE ENVIRONMENTAL AREA THAT YOU REDUCE THE DENSITY TAPERED DOWN AND SO THERE IS A POLICY WE ARE INTRODUCING, IT’S IN YOUR STAFF REPORT. POLICIES THAT WE ARE INTRODUCING TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT WE’RE RECOMMENDING TO INCLUDE IN THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT HOPES TO DEFINE WHAT THESE SUB-DISTRICTS ARE AND THE INTENT OF THIS TAPERING DEVELOPMENT INTENSITY. ANOTHER CONCEPT THAT OUR CHARACTERISTIC OF A COMPACT NEIGHBORHOOD IS THIS IDEA OF EQUITABLE CHANGE. CHANGE IN MANY AREAS WILL HAPPEN WITH THE INTRODUCTION OF A LIGHTRAIL SYSTEM BUT THE GOAL IS TO HAVE THOSE BENEFITS BE SHARED BY ALL. SO THIS CORRESPONDS VERY WELL WITH THE CITY AND COUNTY’S RESOLUTION ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING SO WE’RE GOING AHEAD AND INTRODUCING A PROPOSED POLICY TO THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN THAT LARGELY MILK THE LANGUAGE WITHIN THE CITY AND COUNTY RESOLUTION ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING. TO BACK UP A LITTLE BIT AND TALK MORE BROADLY ABOUT STATION AREA PLANNING. IT IS A BIG UNDERTAKING THAT INCLUDES INFRASTRUCTURE PLANNING, IT CERTAINLY INCLUDES AFFORDABLE HOUSING PLANNING, THE FOCUS AND SCOPE OF THIS PROJECT IS ON LANDUSE PLANNING WITH WE’RE AT THE VERY BEGINNING OF THAT TASK. LAND USE PLANNING OFTEN TIMES REQUIRES A THREE-STEP PROCESS. THE FIRST STEP, WHICH IS WHERE WE ARE NOW IS UPDATING THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND AMENDING THE FUTURE LANDUSE MAPS. THE SECOND STEP WOULD BE LOOKING AT MAKING ANY PROVISION CHANGES TO THE UNIFIED DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE NEEDED IN SOME OF THESE NEW COMPACT NEIGHBORHOODS AND FINALLY ONCE TRAGEDIES FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND INFRASTRUCTURE PLANS ARE IN PLACE WE WOULD LOOK TO INITIATE ZONING MAP CHANGES WITHIN THE COMP PACT NEIGHBORHOODS AND OF COURSE A STEP AFTER THAT IS A CHANGE IN DEVELOPMENT WILL BE INCREMENTAL AND HAPPEN OVERTIME, LARGELY THROUGH PRIVATE DEVELOPMENT, AGAIN OVER SEVERAL DECADES. FOR THIS STUDY WE’VE BEEN LOOKING AT FIVE DIFFERENT AREAS, WHICH I’LL GOAT MORE INTO DETAIL IN. I MENTIONED THAT WE’VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS PROJECT SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR. WE’VE BEEN BUSY, WE’VE HAD 12 NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS, WITH SOME GOOD PUBLIC PARTICIPATION IN THEM. FIRST WAS HELD IN APRIL WHERE WE INVITED PEOPLE, WE INTRODUCED THE CONCEPT OF A COMPACT NEIGHBORHOOD AND HAD PEOPLE WORK IN SMALL GROUPS TO HELP US UNDERSTAND WHERE FOLKS FELT THIS TYPE OF DEVELOPMENT WAS APPROPRIATE AND MORE IMPORTANTLY WHERE IT WAS NOT APPROPRIATE. SO FROM THAT WE COMPILED A LOT OF THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD, CAME UP WITH INITIAL STAFF RECOMMENDATIONS, PRESENTED THOSE AT MEETINGS AND– IN UNIAND IN AUGUST– IN JUNE AUGUST. WE’VE PREPARED THE DRAFT REPORTS, WHICH YOU HAVE BEFORE YOU TONIGHT AND POSTED THEM ONSHRINE JUST LAST MUNG WE HELD TWO ADDITIONAL MEETINGS TO GET FEEDBACK ON THOSE REPORTS. SO IF I COULD GET A LITTLE MORE IN-DEPTHS INTO OUR RECOMMENDATIONS. THE FIRST COMPACT NEIGHBORHOOD WE’LL TAKE A LOOK AT IS THE LEE VILLAGE. LEE VILLAGE IS THE INTERSECTION, NEAR THE INTERSECTION OF INTERSTATE 40 AND HIGH WAY 54, FOR THOSE OF YOU WHO AREN’T FAMILIAR WITH THE AREA IT IS CHARACTERIZED BY LOWER DENSITY SUBURBAN DEVELOPMENT. ALMOST A RURAL CHARACTER TO IT. THERE IS A LOT OF VACANT LANDS THERE, ACTUALLY. STRANGELY ENOUGH IT IS NEAR ONE OF THE MOST CONGESTED CORRIDORS IN THE STATE, NC’ 54 AND THERE ARE SOME SIGNIFICANT NATURAL FEATURES KIND OF BORDERING THE AREA OF THE LITTLE CREEK BOTTLE LAND. EXTENDS THE COMPACT NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE BOAST AND TO THE NORTH BUT IT EXCLUDES AN AREA OF SOME RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, EASTWOOD PARK AND I’LL TALK A LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THAT RIGHT NOW. EASTWOOD PARK IS CURRENTLY DESIGNATED AS COMMERCIAL ON OUR FUTURE LANDUSE MAP. BASED ON CONVERSATIONS THAT WE HAD WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND A RECOMMENDATION FROM THE NC-54 CORRIDOR STUD AWE’RE ALSO RECOMMENDING THAT IT BE CHANGED TO LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL TO MATCH WHAT’S CURRENTLY THERE. A SECOND KIND OF CLEANUP OF THE FUTURE LANDUSE MAP IS FOR A PROPERTY THAT’S OWNED BY THE NORTH CAROLINA BOTANICAL GARDEN FOUNDATION, THEY HAVE A PERMANENT CONSERVATION EASEMENT ON THIS PROPERTY THAT’S EAST OF GEORGE KING ROAD, WE’RE RECOMMENDING THAT IT BE CHANGED TO RECREATION AND OPEN SPACE AND THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH OTHER PRIVATELY HELD PERMANENT CONSERVATION EASEMENTS. OK, TO GET A LITTLE BIT MORE INTO THE BOUNDARY AND HOW WE ARRIVED AT THIS BOUNDARY. AGAIN AS I MENTIONED WE’VE RECOMMENDED EXPANDING THE BOUNDARY TO THE EAST, SORRY, TO THE WEST LOOKING AT AREA NUMBER ONE, THIS IS CALLED THE MEADOW MARK FARMS TRANG, IT HAS EXTENDED TO THE BOUNDARY OF CHAPEL HILL AND THIS IS PRIMARILY TO HELP FACILITATE THE DEVELOPMENT OR THE BUILDOUT OF THE COLLECTOR STREET PLAN IN THIS AREA TO HELP, TO PROMOTE CONNECTIVITY TO THE STATION AND IMPROVE CIRCULATION WITHIN THIS AREA TO HELP ALLEVIATE TRAFFIC CONGESTION ON 54. OUR NORTHERN BOUNDARY NEAR NUMBER TWO, AGAIN IS LARGELY FOLLOWS KINDS OF A HALF MILE BOUNDARY FROM THE STATION AND IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE HEARD AT THE COMMUNITY MEETING IN JUNE. IT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE NEIGHBORHOODVILLE– VILLAGE HARBOR. WE’VE INCLUDED AN AREA, IF YOU LOOK AT NUMBER FOUR ON THE SCREEN AN AREA THAT’S SOUTH OF 54, THIS IS ALREADY INCLUDED WITHIN SUBURBAN TRANSIT AREA. WE’RE RECOMMENDP THAT IS STAY WITHIN THE SUBURBAN TRANSIT AREA BECAUSE OF IMPROVEMENTS THAT HAVE BEEN RECOMMENDED AND ARE ACTUALLY WITHIN THE STATE FUNDING PROCESS FOR FAIRINGTON ROAD AND FALCON BRIDGE FOR AN EXTENSION OF FALCONBRIDGE DRIVE, THAT WOULD HELP TO BETTER CONNECT THIS AREA THAT’S SOUTH OF 54 TO THE LIGHT RAIL STATION. AGAIN, AS I MENTIONED THE EASTWOOD PARKQUAL THIS NEIGHBORHOOD JUST TO THE NORTH WE’RE RECOMMENDING THAT THEY BE REMOVED TO THE COMPACT NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE OTHER TWO LITTLE CREEK BOTTOM LANDS INDICATED HERE AND JUST THE AMOUNT OF UNDEVELOPED AND VACANT PROPERTY THAT’S IN CLOSE PROXIMITY TO THE STATION. THE OTHER TWO THAT WE’RE LIKELY TO SEE MOVING FORWARD, A LOT OF THIS DOCUMENT AND A LOT OF THIS REPORT IS TO IDENTIFY WHAT THOSE ISSUES ARE NOW. WE MIGHT NOT HAVE IMMEDIATE SOLUTIONS TO WHAT THEY ARE BUT SOMEWHAT OF A SCOPING DOCUMENT SO WE CAN IDENTIFY WHAT THOSE ISSUES ARE AS WE MOVE FORWARD THROUGH THE REST OF THE PROCESS AND CERTAINLY TO OPENING DAY AT THE LIGHT RAIL. AND BEYAWN. AND BEYAWN. EXTENDING PUBLIC UTILITIES TO THIS AREA, IT’S LARGELY WITHIN THE COUNTY RIGHT NOW. SO LOOKING AT ANNEXATION STUDIES AND WHAT IT MIGHT TAKE TO EXPAND PUBLIC UTILITIES WILL BE A MAJOR UNDERTAKING. BUILDING INFRASTRUCTURE TO RELIEVE TRAFFIC CONGESTION, THAT’S A MAJOR CONCERN, THAT CERTAINLY IS WE HEAR WHEN WE GO OUT TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS. COORDINATING AND PHASING THE DEVELOPMENT IN A WAY THAT MAKES SENSE. THIS IS PROBABLY ONE OF OUR LAST GREEN FIELD SITES WITHIN DURHAM SO DOING THAT IN A WAY THAT MAKES SENSE WILL BE A CHALLENGE AND THEN TRANSITIONING TO SOME OF THESE MORE ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREAS AND LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL WILL ALSO BE A CONCERN AS WE MOVE FORWARD. THE NEXT COMPACT NEIGHBORHOOD IS KIND OF ALONG THE LINE IS THE PATTERSON PLACE STATION, THIS IS NEAR INTERSTATE 40 AND 15501. IT’S LARGELY AN AUTOORIENTED COMMERCIAL DISTRICT CHARACTERIZED BY BIG-BOXED RETAILERS. PATTERSON PLAY SHOPPING CENTER WAS LAID OUR WITH THE INTENTION OF TRANSITIONING OVER TIME INTO A MORE TRANSIENT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT, BUT THAT’S THE ONLY ONE IN THE AREA. THERE IS A PROPOSED SUBURBAN — THERE IS AN EXISTING SUBURBAN TRANSIT AREA IN PLACE AT THE SITE. WE’RE PROPOSING TO EXPAND THE BOUNDARY TO 602-ACRES. THE EXPANSION THAT’S HAPPENED MOSTLY SOUTH OF DANSDEER DRIVE ALL OF THE WAY DOWN TO OLE’ CHAPEL HILL ROAD IT ALSO EXPANDS AND FOLLOWS, INSTEAD OF FOLLOWING THE FORMER FLOOD PLAIN LINE IT FOLLOWS RECORDED EASEMENTS AND PROPERTY LINES. THIS IS FOR LEGAL REASONS MOVING FORWARD. TO HIGHLIGHT JUST A FEW OF THE AREAS, NUMBER TWO, I HAVE MENTIONED THIS AREA NORTH OF 15501, SOUTHWEST DURHAM DRIVE IS EXPECTED TO BE EXTENDED ACROSS 15501 WHICH COULD OPEN UP THIS AREA FOR BETTER ACCESS TO THE STATION. WE ARE CONCERNED ABOUT HOW CLOSE THE BOUNDARY GETS TO THE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES, THE ENVIRONMENTAL RESOURCES THAT ARE IN THIS AREA HOWEVER WE ARE TRYING TO FOLLOW THATTERED ROD LEGAL EASEMENT. NUMBER FOUR, WE’VE EXCLUDED THE MIDDLE SCHOOL FROM THE BOUNDARY PREVIOUSLY I BELIEVE IT HAS BEEN INSIDE, THE BOUNDARY. OTHERWISE, MOST OF THE AREA IS EITHER ALREADY KIND OF COMMERCIAL BIG BOXED RETAILERS OR HIGH DENSITY RESIDENTIAL. SOME KEY ISSUES MOVING FORWARD, THERE IS A PROPOSED CONVERSION OF US-15501. BASED ON A STUDY IN 1994, I BELIEVE THE COMMISSION HAS HEARD A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, DOING THAT MIGHT EFFECTIVELY CUT OFF THE NORTH SIDE FROM THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE STATION AREA. I THINK THAT WE WOULD BE INTERESTED IN PARTICIPATING IN A STUDY THAT LOOKED TO RE-EXAMINE THAT RECOMMENDATION TO BE MORE IN LINE WITH THE IDEA OF A TRANSIT ORIENTED DISTRICT. WE ALSO HAVE CONCERNED– CONCERNS AND THING A KEY ISSUE MOVING FORWARD WOULD BE SENSITIVITY TO ENVIRONMENTALLY IMPORTANT AREAS LIKE THE DRY CREEK AND THE NEW HOPE CAREEN AND THEN AGAIN THEW TRANSITION INTO THE LOW DENSITY RESIDENTIAL AREAS THAT ARE ON THE FRINGES. MOVING ALONG TO SOUTH SQUARE AND THE MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR. AREA. THIS IS NEAR THE INTERSECTION, OR THE INTERCHANGE OF US-HIGHWAY 15501 BY PASS AND 15501 BUSINESS. SO IT IS NEAR THE SITE OF THE FORMER SOUTH SQUARE MALL, TARGET, SAM’S CLUB TO GIVE YOU A LITTLE BIT OF CONTEXT. AGAIN, SO IT IS LARGELY AN AUTOORIENTED COMMERCIAL DISTRICT WITH RETAILERS AND THIS AREA REALLY DOES HAVE A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MULTI-FAMILY APARTMENT COMPLEXES AND OFFICE USES AS WELL. THERE IS AN EXISTING SUBURBAN TRANSIT AREA IN THIS DISTRICT, WE’RE PROPOSING LARGELY EXPANDING THE BOUNDARY FOR THE NEW COMPACT NEIGHBORHOOD TO THE SOUTH TO INCLUDE MORE AREA AROUND THE MARTIN LUTHER KING, JR. STATION AND WE’RE PROPOSING TO REMOVE THIS AREA SUCH TO THE NORTHWEST OF THE 15501 BYPASS. WE’RE ALSO PROPOSING TO EXPAND IT TO THE EAST OF THE SOUTH SQUARE STATION TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF A LOT OF THE VACANT AND UNDERUTILIZED COMMERCIAL PROPERTY THAT IS TO THE EAST OF HERE.>>I DON’T KNOW THAT I HAVE TOO MUCH TO ELABORATE ON THIS ONE SO I CAN BE BRIEF.>>IN GENERAL THE BOUNDARY INCLUDES KIND OF THE COMMERCIAL BIG BOX RETAILERS, IT DOES NOT — IT ALSO INCLUDES SOME OF THE MULTI-FAMILY APARTMENT COMPLEXES, DOES NOT INCLUDE THE ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREAS AND IT DOES NOT INCLUDE SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS. SOME KEY ISSUES MOVING FORWARD, AGAIN, I THINK THAT THE FUTURE OF U.S. 15501 BUSINESS THROUGH THIS CORRIDOR MAY NEED TO BE LOOKED AT AND THERE ARE SOME POSSIBILITIES FOR CREATING A MORE TRANSIT ORIENTED DISTRICT AROUND THAT. AND LOOKING AT HOW THE REDEVELOPMENT OF THOSE EXISTING COMMERCIAL SHOPPING CENTERS HAPPENS IS MIXED USE CENTERS ARE STILL YOU KNOW, IS A MARKET OUT THERE FOR COMMERCIAL CENTERS, SO HOW THAT HAPPENS OVERTIME WILL BE INTERESTING TO SEE. OK, THE NEXT COMPACT NEIGHBORHOOD IS ALONG IRWIN ROAD NEAR THE DUKE UNIVERSITY, NEAR DUKE UNIVERSITY AND SOME MEDICAL CENTERS, SO THERE IS A STRONG INSTITUTION PRESENCE IN THIS AREA, ALSO A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF MULTI-FAMILY, BOTH OLDER MULTI-FAMILY APARTMENT COMPLEXES AND NEWER, MORE MIXED USE USES ALONG THE NORTHSIDE OF IRWIN ROAD AND AMONGST ALL OF THAT COMMOTION IS THE CREST STREET NEIGHBORHOOD SINGLE FAMILY NEIGHBORHOOD MADE UP OF LARGELY AFRICAN AMERICAN FAMILIES THAT IS IN THE MIDDLE OF EVERYTHING. THERE IS AN EXISTING COMPACT NEIGHBORHOOD LOCATED IN THIS AREA, IT’S 475-ACRES. WE’RE PROPOSING A NEW BOUNDARY TO AT COMPACT NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WOULD BE 412-ACRES. THE BOUNDARY CHANGES EXCLUDE DUKE UNIVERSITY FROM SOME COMPACT NEIGHBORHOOD AND THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WAS DONE WITH NINTH STREET AND IT ALSO EXCLUDES THE CREST STREET NEIGHBORHOOD, I’LL GET INTO THAT IN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL AND IT EXTEND THE BOUNDARY TO THE EAST OF LA SALLE STREET TO A GREATER DEGREE THAN IT IS TODAY. BECAUSE OF THE REMOVAL OF DUKE UNIVERSITY AND CREST STREET WE ARE LEFT WITH THIS KIND OF STRANGE APPENDAGE THAT’S MORE CLOSELY RELATE WOULD THE NINTH STREET COMPACT NEIGHBORHOODS HERE, BUT THAT’S ALREADY IN THE COMPACT NEIGHBORHOOD AND WE DIDN’T FIND A COMPELLING REASON TO REMOVE IT. SO AGAIN, THIS IS A CLEANUP OF THE FUTURE LANDUSE MAP. THIS IS PART OF DUKE UNIVERSITY’S CAMPUS. IT IS NORTH OF IRWIN ROAD, WHICH IS JUST PAST THE MAP. ON THE FUTURE LANDUSE MAP IT’S DESIGNATED AS COMMERCIAL, WE’RE RECOMMEND AREING IT BE DESIGNATED AS INSTITUTION TO BE KEPT WITH THE REST OF THE DUKE’S CAMPUS AND UNIVERSITY COLLEGE ZONING. AGAIN, WE’RE MAKING USE OF LARGE ROADWAYS, US HIGHWAY 15501 AND NC-147 AS BOUNDARIES. WE’VE REMOVED AREAS OF DUKE UNIVERSITY FROM THE BOUNDARY. NUMBER THREE IS WHERE CREST STREET IS LOCATED. WE HEARD FROM NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS SOMEWHAT OF A MIXED REACTION ABOUT THIS BUT OVERALL THAT THEY DID NOT WANT TO BE INCLUDED WITHIN THE COMPACT NEIGHBORHOOD TIER, THEY WANTED TO PRESERVE THE SINGLE FAMILY NATURE OF THAT NEIGHBORHOOD. THERE ARE LARGE APARTMENT COMPLEXES IN THE AREA, DUKE MANNER IS ONE THAT’S REACHING ALMOST 40 YEARS OLD, SO WE SEE THAT AS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR RE-DEVELOPMENT IN THE FUTURE AND THAT COULD LEAD TO SOME VERY GOOD THINGS, POTENTIALLY THE MORE OF A BUILDOUT OF A STREET GRID NETWORK, WHICH WOULD BE VERY GOOD FOR THIS AREA IN TURNS OF RELIEVING TRAFFIC CONGESTION. SO AGAIN, JUST A FEW ISSUES MOVING FORWARD, CREATING A MORE COMPLETE STREET NETWORK, THAT’S JUST WHAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT. THE RELATIONSHIP WITH THE UNIVERSITY OF COLLEGE ZONING AND THE COMPACT NEIGHBORHOOD TIER AS WELL AS TRYING TO DIVERTIMPACTS TO THE CREST STREET NEIGHBORHOOD. OK. FINALLY, SORRY THIS IS LONG PRESENTATION. FINALLY, YOU’LL SEE THE ALTEN AVENUE COMPANTH NEIGHBORHOOD. FOR THOSE OF YOU, JUST TO ORIENT YOU A LITTLE BIT, THE DURHAM FREEWAY AND THE NCRR RAILROAD CORRIDOR RUN KIND OF DIRECTLY THROUGH THE STATION AREA, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF MORE ACTIVE INDUSTRIAL USES ALONG THAT CORRIDOR THAT STILL USE THE FREIGHTS. THERE IS ALSO A LOT OF INSTITUTION OR CIVIC USES RANGING FROM CHURCHES, THE DURHAM RESCUE MISSION TO THE BOYS AND GIRLS CLUB SCHOOLS IN THIS AREA. A LOT OF RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOODS, MANY OF WHICH ARE HISTORIC AND OF COURSE THERE HAS BEEN THE ADAPTIVE REUSE OF MANY MILL BUILDINGS IN THE AREA AS WELL.>>>THERE IS AN EXISTING COMPACT NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE ALSOEN AVENUE AREA. IT INCLUDES AREAS OF GOLDEN BELT’S HISTORIC DISTRICT. IT INCLUDES AREAS OF THE HOST DURHAM HISTORIC DISTRICT. THE PROPOSED BOUNDARY REMOVES OR BRINGS THOSE KIND OF OUT OF THE COMPACT NEIGHBORHOOD USING MORNING GLORY AVENUE AS THE CUTOFF. AND THEN FOLLOWING SOME OF THE EAST DURHAM HISTORIC DISTRICT BOUNDARIES, THE OTHER MAJOR CHANGE IS WE’VE INCLUDED THE FORMER FAYETTE PLACE IN SITE TO THE PROPOSED COMPASSPORT NEIGHBORHOOD, THIS ALIGNS PRETTY WELL WITH THE DOWNTOWN TIER, WHICH IS LOCATED JUST TO THE WEST OF THE ALSOEN AVENUE PROPOSED COMPACT NEIGHBORHOOD. NEIGHBORHOOD TIER. MORNING GLORY AVENUE FORMS KIND OF THE NORTHERN BOUNDARY AND DOES NOT INCLUDE THE # HAD RESIDENTIAL PORTIONS OF THE GOLDEN BELT NATIONAL HISTORIC DISTRICT, DOES NOT INCLUDE EASTWAY VILLAGE AND DOES NOT INCLUDE THE EASTERN NATIONAL REGISTER HISTORIC DISTRICT. IT DOES HOWEVER INCLUDE A NUMBER OF INDUSTRIAL USES THAT ARE ALONG THE FREIGHT RAIL AND THEN THE FORMER FAYETTE PLACE. DOES NOT INCLUDE RESIDENTIAL AREAS SOUTH OF 147. SHOW KEY ISSUES MOVING FORWARD WITH THE ALSOEN AVENUE. WE KNOW THE ISSUE OF EQUITABLE NEIGHBORHOOD CHANGE AND AFFORDABLE HOUSING WILL BE A PRIME ISSUE MOVING FORWARD. WE ALSO SEE THE KIND OF THE MIX OF INDUSTRIAL SITES WITH NEW DEVELOPMENTS AND POTENTIAL BROWNING FIELD CONTAMINATION BEING AN ISSUE AS WE GO AHEAD AND THEN PARTICULARLY IN THIS AREA ACCESS TO THE LIGHT RAIL STATION TO THE SOUTH HAS BEEN A MAJOR ISSUE SO THROUGH THE STATIONARY STRATEGIC INFRASTRUCTURE STUDY, WHICH IS ANOTHER PROJECT I CAN UPDATE YOU ON LATER, LOOKING FOR A PEDESTRIAN AND BICYCLE INFRASTRUCTURE ACCESS WILL ALSO BE IMPORTANT. JUST THE NEXT STEPS MOVING FORWARD. JUST REMINDER, IF YOU GUYS HAVE THE DRAFT REPORTS YOU CAN REMIND PEOPLE THAT THEY ARE AVAILABLE ON-LINE THAT WOULD BE REALLY HELPFUL. AS I SAID BEFORE WE’RE LOOKING TO HAVE OUR PUBLIC HEARING FOR THESE IN JANUARY SO YOU ARE WARNED ABOUT THAT AND THEN IF I’LL, YOU KNOW, GO AS EXPECTED WE’LL MOVE FORWARD TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND COUNTY COMMISSIONERS LATER ON THIS SPRING. I HAD FORGOTTEN TO MENTION, THROUGHOUT ALL OF OUR PUBLIC ENGAGEMENT SESSIONS THEN PLAING COMMISSION MANY MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING COMMISSION CAME AND I REALLY DO APPRECIATE TAKING THE TIME AND EFFORT TO DO SO, IT IS GREATLY APPRECIATED AND I KNOW WE’RE GOING TO NEED HELP MOVING FORWARD AS WELL SO CONTINUED PARTICIPATION IS WELCOMED. THANK YOU.>>THANK YOU. I REALIZE THIS IS A PRESENTATION AND DISCUSSING THE INFORMATION PURPOSES AND IS NOT A PUBLIC HEARING BUT I DO HAVE ONE MEMBER THAT CAME HERE SPECIFICALLY TO SPEAK TO THIS SO I’M GOING TO GRANT TIME TO SPEAK TO THIS. I’M GOING TO OPEN IT UP. GOOD EVENING, DENISE HESTOR, 3526 ABCRAMY DRIVE. I’M HERE TO SUPPORT THE # DECISION TO KEEP THE AREA SOUTH OF NC147 OUT OF THE COMPACT DISTRICT. BACK IN 2006 # CITIZENS OVERWHELMINGLY REECT ID THIS LANDUSE, SOUTH OF THE EXPRESSWAY, WITH A STANDING-ROOM ONLY CROWD AND I’M GLAD TO HEAR THAT AFFIRMATION IS STILL IN PLACE BECAUSE AS WE KNOW THE COMPACT LAND DESIGNATION HAS THE ABILITY TO PROFOUNDLY CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF COMMUNITIES IN WHICH THEY’RE LOCATED IN. I GUESS WE HAVE TO EXERT CARE IN WHEN WE ACTUALLY PLACE THEM. MORE RECENTLY IN THE SERIES OF NEIGHBORHOOD MEETINGS AND I’M GLAD THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT TO THEIR CREDIT HEARD WHAT THE NEIGHBORS IN THESE AREAS WERE SAYING, IT IS A 300-PLUS ACRE AREA BOUNDED ROUGHLY AS YOU CAN SEE HIGHWAY 147, BACON STREET, LAWSON STREET, FAYETTVILLE STREET, BE30 IMPORTANT THING IS THAT THIS AREA IS ONE OF THE MORE AFFORDABLE AREAS STILL IN OUR CITY IN SOUTHEAST DURHAM. IT IS ALSO HOME TO OUR NATIONAL HISTORIC DISTRICT AND ALSO OUR LOCAL HISTORIC DISTRICT, WHICH WOULD BE THREATENED BY THE ENTRY OF HIGH DENSITY HOUSING AND INTENSE COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT FAVORS THAT COMPACT NEIGHBORHOODS AND IT IS ALSO HOME TO A SIZABLE PORTION OF DURHAM’S HISTORIC AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY. SO AGAIN I JUST WANTED TO AFFIRM THE LINEUP OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS IN THIS PRESENTATION WITH THOSE EXPRESSED BY THE NEIGHBORS AT THE SERIES OF MEETINGS, THANK YOU.>>THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE COME TO SPEAK TO THIS? OK. COMMISSIONER FREEMAN.>>SO THIS FIRST, IN CONJUNCTION WITH MR. HESTOR’S COMMENT I WANT TO SAY THAT I WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I’M NOT MISSING THE LINE COMING FROM AUSTIN AVENUE DOWN FROM AUSTIN AVENUE PROPOSED TIER, COMING DOWN MORNING GLORY IT SHOULD ACTUALLY BE COMING DOWN EAST MAIN AND MAKING SURE THERE IS A BUFFER SO THE PROPERTIES ON MAIN STREET MAY BE DEVELOPED BUT NOT PROPERTIES THAT ARE ON THE BACK SIDE OF MORNING GLORY, JUST MAKING SURE THAT’S CLEAR. OUR BOUNDARY,.>>IT WOULD JUST BE BETTER IF IT WERE ON EAST MAIN STREET.>>OK, WE’LL TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.>>AND THEN ALSO THE COMMOTION THAT YOU MENTIONED IN THE EQUITABLE NEIGHBORHOODS I WANTED TO KNOW IF THERE WERE ANY OTHER ORGANIZED, LIKE UNIVERSITY COLLEGE ZONING GROUPS THAT YOU MET WITH. SO THAT UNIVERSITY, I DIDN’T KNOW THEY HAD SOMETHING LIKE THAT.>>ORIGINATE, DUKE UNIVERSITY AND NCCU ARE UNDER A SPECIAL ZONING DISTRICT.>>OK.>>IT IS CALLED THE UNIVERSITY COLLEGE AND IT ENABLES THEM TO DO MORE CAMPUSSEN PLAING SO THEY DO PARKING, STORMWATER, SIDEWALK PLANNING AS KIND OF A MASTER PLAN AND SO IT DOESN’T MEAN THOSE AREN’T TRANSIT ORIENTED ZONING DISTRICTS, IT JUST MEANS THAT THEY ARE KIND OF SPECIAL AND UNIQUE AND AREN’T NECESSARILY WE DON’T ACHIEVE ANYTHING MORE FROM THE COMPACT DESIGN DISTRICT. AND THEN ALSO I WANTED TO NOTE BOTH THAT THE EQUITIES, THE INEQUITY IS AROUND INCOME AND RACE, I DON’T THINK THAT’S BEING SPECIFICALLY SAID AND IT NEEDS TO BE AND KEEPING THE INCOME AND THE RACES OR KEEP BOTH OF THOSE IN LINE PRETTY MUCH WAS CURRENTLY ARE OR INCREASING THE DIVERSITY OF IT, SO. I WASN’T SURE IF IT WAS INTENTIONAL OR NOT, WHETHER OR NOT YOU, BECAUSE I KNOW THAT IN THE PREVIOUS PLAN IT WAS SELFED OUT THAT THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING WAS AT THE 30% VERSUS JUST BEING AT 16% AFFORDABLE, IS THAT GOING TO BE THE CASE GOING FORWARD OR IS THAT GETTING LOOKED AT?>>I’M NOT SURE WHAT I KNOW WHAT YOU’RE REFERRING TO.>>IN THE HISTORIC PRESERVATION PLAN, OR THE UDO CONVERSATION THEM ADDING THAT LANGUAGE TO SAY THAT THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS EXACTLY, YOU KNOW, 30% OF YOUR HOUSEHOLD INCOME.>>COMMISSIONER FREEMAN, THAT’S, IF THE UDO CHANGES ARE APPROVED THEN THAT WOULD APPLY TO ALL AFFORDABLE HOUSING.>>I JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT’S SPELLED OUT. THOSE ARE MY MAIN COMMENTS.>>COMMISSIONER MILLLER.>>THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. ON PAGE FIVE OF YOUR OCTOBER 2015 DRAFT ON THE IRWIN ROAD I’LL NOT WILD ABOUT THE DISCONNECTED KIND OF STRANGE AS YOU CALLED IT APPENDAGE ON THE NORTH SIDE OF THE FREEWAY THERE. I DON’T SEE A VERY COMPELLING REASON TO INCLUDE THAT. AS PART OF THE COMPACT NEIGHBORHOOD DISTRICT AND ACTUALLY I OPPOSE HAVING IT THERE, HAVING A DISCONNECTED THING LIKE THAT. I MEAN, IF WE WERE GOING TO TALK ABOUT PERHAPS EXPANDING THE BOUNDARIES A LITTLE BIT BETHE EXISTING NINTH STREET DISTRICT I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN HOW WE MIGHT DO THAT BUT TO ADD IT TO THIS OTHER DISTRICT THAT IS NOT JUST SEPARATED BY A ROADWAY BUT SEPARATED BY ADDITIONAL LANDMASS THAT JUST DOESN’T SEEM TO ME LIKE VERY GOOD PLANNING. HOW STRONG IS THE SENTIMENT IN FAVOR OF INCLUDING IT?>>SURE. I CAN TELL YOU THAT OUR CONVERSATIONS WITH DUKE UNIVERSITY CAME ABOUT A LITTLE BIT LATER IN THE PROCESS. SO WHILE THAT AREA WAS ORIGINALLY CONTIGIOUS WITH THE REST OF THE DISTRICT WE KNOW IT’S A LITTLE ODD NOW. I THINK THAT’S SOMETHING WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT. I’M ASSUMING WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND HAVE A BROADER CONVERSATION ABOUT WHETHER IT SHOULD BE PART OF THE NINTH STREET DISTRICT OR SHOULD BE APART OF THIS ONE.>>AND JUST TO ADD TO THAT, IT IS NOW AND WILL BE IN THE FUTURE EFFECTIVELY AN EXTENSION OF THE NINTH STREET DISTRICT AND IT’S ALREADY DESIGNATED AS A COMPACT NEIGHBORHOOD AND A SCENARIO WITH A WEIRD MIXTURE OF ZONING AND DEVELOPMENT. AND IT’S ALSO NEAR, IF OUR FRIENDS IN WADE COUNTY EVER DECIDED WHAT THEY ARE GOING TO DO IT IS ALSO VERY CLOSE TO NEXT TO WHAT WOULD BE THE WEST DURHAM COMMUNITY RAIL STATION. ALL RIGHT, WHERE IS THAT STATION PROPOSED TO BE? IS IT CHANGED FROM WHERE IT USED TO BE.>>I KNOW WHERE IT US YOOD TO BE.>>WHERE IRWIN ROAD GETS UNDER AND BECOMES NINTH STREET.>>THE PROPOSED WESTERN COMMUTER LINE IS NEAR, THE, PAING LOT IS THE FOOD LION BETWEEN HILLSBOROUGH AND MAIN STREET.>>THE LIGHT RAILSTRATION.>>OK. I’M SORRY I’M GETTING MY IMAGINARY LIGHT RAIL SYSTEMS CONFUSED.>>IT’S UNDERSTANDABLE. [LAUGHS] MY OTHER QUESTION CONCERNS THE FUTURE LOCATION OF THE ROMP WHICH RIGHT NOW IS I THINK THE FAVORED LOCARC TION IS LOOM FAIRINGTON ROAD NEXT TO I40 IN THE LEE VILLAGE COMPACT NEIGHBORHOOD TIER. I ALSO KNOW THAT IT IS VERY HARD TO FIND ANYBODY IN THAT AREA THAT FAVORS IT GOING THERE. MY OWN FEELING IS THE LOCATION MORE CERTAINLY LOCATED ALONG THE LINE WOULD BE IN THE PATTERSON PLACE NEIGHBORHOOD IN THE VERY PLACE WHERE WE JUST APPROVED RE-ZONING FOR AN AUTOMOBILE SALES LOT, WHICH I THOUGHT WAS A DREADFUL DECISION, WOULD BE A MUCH BETTER PLACE DEAD CENTER IN THE LINE TO PUT AND THERE IS LOTS OF VACANT LAND TO PUT THE ROMP, I’M JUST SORRY THAT WE’RE LETTING THINGS SHAKE UP THIS BAY AND MY QUESTION THEN ON THAT IS AS A RESULT OF THIS PROCESS THAT YOU’VE UNDERTAKEN , THERE WERE SOME SENSITIVITY AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THAT BECAUSE NOT ALL OF THOSE MEETINGS WERE INITIALLY A SUCCESS AND YOU IMMEDIATELY RESPONDED TO TRY TO MAKE THEM A SUCCESS. HOW MANY RE-ZONINGS HAVE WE GOT IN THE PIPELINE ARE THERE FOR PROPERTIES LOCATED WITHIN ANY OF THESE PROPOSED BOUNDARIES WHERE PEOPLE ARE TRYING TO RUSH IN AND TRY TO MAKE ADJUSTMENTS TO OUR ZONING MAP FAVORABLE TO THEM IN ORDER TO EITHER EXPLOIT OR AVOID THE CONSEQUENCES OF CHANGING COMPACT NEIGHBORHOOD TIER BOUNDARIES. WELL I MEAN, ARE THERE A LOT OF THEM OR.>>PAT YOUNG WITH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT. ONLY TWO COME TO MINDISM EXAMINELER ALONGING TO MISS SMITH TO HELP WITH THIS. THE ONE RETURNING NEXT MONTH THE FAIRINGTEN RESIDENTIAL PROJECT AND THEN THERE IS A SMALLER MIXED USE PROJECT CALLED STRAW VALLEY THAT’S ALSO.>>IN THE PATTERSON PLACE.>>THAT’S COMING PROBABLY IN JANUARY. ARE THERE ANY OTHERS YOU CAN THINK OF IN ANY OF THESE AREAS? JUST THE TWO. CERTAINLY ANY TIME WE LOOK TO CHANGE THESE YOU SEE A NURY OF ACTIVITY LIKE YOU’VE DESCRIBED, COMMISSIONER MILLLER. WE CAN KEEP YOU UP-TO-DATE ON THAT AND OF COURSE YOU’LL SEE THE CASES AS THEY APPEAR.>>THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THIS IS ALL VERY INTERESTING. AND IN JANUARY WE WILL BE VOTING ON TIER BOUNDRIES AND THAT’S IT. THE ISSUE IS MOVING TIER BOUNDARIES. TIER BOUNDARIES, THE HANDFUL OF LAND USE DESIGNATION CLEAN UP AND COMPREHENSIVE PLAN CHANGES.>>THE CHANGES TO THE DESIGN DISTRICTS WITHIN THE COMPASSPORT TIERS AND HANDFUL OF OTHER MINOR CHANGES MRS. JACOBSON BROUGHT UP AS WELL AS CHANGES TO THE POLICY TO HAVE THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING RESOLUTION AS A COPLAN POLICY AND THE SUBDISTRICT LOCATION POLICIES THAT ARE CURRENTLY ONLY IN THE UDO AS PART OF THE COPLAN AS WELL.>>SO FOR THESE WE ARE MOVING, WE’RE NOT JUST CREATING COMPACT NEIGHBORHOOD TIERS PIER ACTUALLY TALKING ABOUT MOVING INTO DESIGN DISTRICTS AND TALKING ABOUT WE’RE LAYING THE GROUNDWORK FOR THE CONVERSION OF THESE COMPACT NEIGHBORHOOD TIERS, NEW COMPACT NEIGHBORHOOD TIERS INTO DESIGN DISTRICTS AND WHERE SUBDISTRICTS WILL GO AND THE SUBDISTRICTS WE’RE TALKING ABOUT ARE CORE SUB1X SUB2, ANYTHING NEW OR DIFFERENT.>>IT’S US.>>THE SAME ONES THAT WE CREATED WITH THE NINTH STREET DISTRICT MINUS THE — .>>THE BUSINESS ONE.>>YES. AND JUST WE HAD INTENSE STATEMENTS FROM ALL OF THOSE IN THE UDO AND SO WE’RE GOING TO ADD THOSE TO THE DO-PLAN SO IF SOMEONE DOES GO BEFORE — WANTS TO APPLY FOR RE-ZONING YOU HAVE CLEAR POLICY ITEMS AS TO WHAT DISTRICTS SHOULD BE IN PLACE. AS WELL AS THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING POLICY.>>I CAN’T WAIT.>>GREAT. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. AS I SAID BEFORE TOO, I THINK THE TAF IS DOING AN OUT STANDING JOB AT THE PUBLIC HEARINGS. I KNOW THEY ARE LONG NIGHTS, WHICH YOU’VE CLEARLY GOTTEN USED TO, BUT I THINK IT IS REALLY HELPFUL TO INFORM THE CITIZENS VERY APPROACHABLE, SO GREAT JOB THERE. I DID WANT TO ECHO COMMISSIONER MILLLER’S CONCERN ABOUT THE FLOATING APPENDAGE AND THE IRWIN ROAD AREA, I JUST DON’T THINK THAT MAKES A LOT OF SENSE, EITHER IN UPPERITS OF GOOD PLANNING, I HOPE WE TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND THEN FINALLY I JUST WANTED TO SAY UNDER THE PATTERSON PLACE HANNA, YOU MENTIONED ONE SITUATION WAS THE PLANNED CONVERSION OF 15501 INTO A LIMITED ACCESS FREEWAY, WE DEALT WITH THAT ISSUE A FEW MONTHS AGO, I THINK IT’S GREAT IF THE CITY WOULD LOOK AT THE APPROPRIATE TIME TO REEXAMINE THAT DESIGNATION, I THINK THAT CAUSES A HUGE PROBLEM FOR US TO BE ABLE TO MOVE FORWARD WITH DOING THIS WELL #. THANK YOU.>>COMMISSIONER GIBBS. COMMISSIONER WINDERS.>>WELL THIS PRESENTATION GOING TO BE ON YOUR WEBSITE, YOUR WEB PAGE WHERELIFE THESE MEETINGS ARE? SOME OF THESE THINS WERE NOT IN THE PACKETTENING I, LIKE ESPECIALLY THE POLICY CHANGE.>>THE POLICY CHANGES WERE WITHIN YOUR STAFF REPORT.>>THEY WERE.>>THEY WERE. [LAUGHS] THEY WERE BUT WE THINK CERTAINLY PUT THE PRESENTATION ON THE WEBSITE. AND ALL OF THE REPORTS ARE ON THERE AS WELL BUT THEY’RE LENGTHY. SO THIS WOULD BE A GOOD SUMMARY.>>AND I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO ADD TO THE OTHER EXPRESSIONS OF GRATITUDE, HOW MUCH WORK YOU PUT INTO THIS AND HOW WELL YOU HAVE HANDLED, YOU AND THE REST OF THE STAFF, BUT YOU ARE AWARE THAT IS THE FACE OF THE COMPACT NEIGHBORHOOD TIERS, I BELIEVE AND TO HAVE HAD ALL OF THE PUBLIC INPUT THAT YOU’VE HAD AND INCORPORATED IT ALL AND DISTILLED THE ISSUES YOU KNOW SO NICELY. THERE IS A COUPLE OF LITTLE THINGS THAT I WOULD LIKE TO SEE OR KNOW MORE ABOUT OR SEE HAPPENING IN THE NEXT STAGE AS AND ONE IS HABITAT PLANNING. I DON’T KNOW WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE ANY HABITAT PLANS OR ANY WILDLIFE CORRIDORS OR ANYTHING DOZE IGINATED BUT IT SEEMS LIKE THAT WOULD BE NEEDED ESPECIALLY IN THE LEE FARM AREA AND MAYBE PATTERSON PLACE WHERE YOU’VE GOT THESE HUGE EXPANSES OF OPEN SPACE THAT’S GOING TO BECOME URBAN SIZED VERY QUICKLY, YOU KNOW, THAT AND ALL OF THOSE ANIMALS RUNNING AROUND IN THE SUBURBAN NEIGHBORHOODS NEXT TO THEM AND A LOT OF THEM, I’M SURE A LOT OF THEM WON’T SURVIVE BUT I REALLY HAVE NOTICED THAT IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD IN PARK WOOD FROM THIS DEVELOPMENT UP ON 54 THAT WE APPROVED A YEAR OR TWO AGO WHERE THEY NOW HAVE IT COMPLETELY CLEAR CUT AND DOING THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND EVERYTHING AND WE ARE SEEING, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF EXTRA FOXES AND DEER AND EVEN A HAWK OR EAGLE OR SOMETHING THAT I THINK HAVE PROBABLY RUN AWAY FROM THERE AND OF COURSE MORE DEER ARE NOT A GOOD THING. AND THEN THE OTHER THING IS AT THE AUSTIN AVENUE STATION YOU MENTIONED THE PEDESTRIAN ACCESS BUT BUS ACCESS, THEN I GUESS THAT’S PART OF, THAT’S MORE GO TRIANGLE’S RESPONSIBILITY MAYBE, BUT BEING AT THE END OF THE LINE THERE AND THE FACT THAT EAST DURHAM IS NOT WELL SERVED BY THE LOCATION OF THE STATION, WHICH IS YOU KNOW IT CAN BE HELP HELPED BUT WE SHOULD GIVE PRIORITY TO HAVE A GOOD BUS CONNECTIONS INSTEAD OF, IN PARKING LOTS THERE, YOU KNOW, OR COMMUTER PARKING. I THINK BUS IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN PARKING AT THAT PLACE.>>IT IS EAGER MULTIPLE DISTRICTS OR YOU’RE SEPARATING S — THERE ARE VARIOUS DISTRICT IN THERE, I’M LOOKING AT PAGE 11 ON THE REPORT AND NOTING AUSTIN AVENUE, FOR NUMBER THREE OF THE PLAN AND I DON’T KNOW HOW MANY PLANS THROUGHOUT BUT JUST NOTING THOSE DISTRICTS. SO THE MULTIPLE EAST DURHAM NATIONAL. [LOW AUDIO] WHICH IS NOT INCLUDING GOLDEN BELT.>>SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE GOLDENBELT IS INCLUDED AND SEPARATED. THANK YOU.>>COMMISSIONER WHITELY.>>YES, I AM, I TOO WANT TO ECHO MY APPRECIATION FOR ALL OF THE WORK THAT YOU’VE PUT INTO THIS, I GOT QUESTIONS THOUGH ABOUT AUSTIN AVENUE, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE OTHER COMPACT NEIGHBORHOODS YOU SEE THE DENSITY POPULATION DENSITY , BUT WHEN YOU GET TO AUSTIN AVENUE THAT COMPACT DISTRICT IS PROBABLY THE LOWEST POPULATION DENSITY IN ALL OF EAST DURHAM, YOU KNOW. ONE OF OUR GOALS IN EAST DURHAM IS TO BRING DEVELOPMENT TO US AND HOW DOES THIS COMPACT DISTRICT HEALTH ACTS?>>I THINK IT IS IN THE DIRECTION OF TRYING TO DRAW MORE INVESTMENT TO EAST DURHAM IT DOES, AT LEAST IN THIS AREA THESE ARE PLACES THAT THERE IS INDUSTRIAL BUSINESSES, A LOT OF VACANT PROPERTIES SO YOU COULD SEE SOME DEVELOPMENT HAPPENING THERE THAT WOULDN’T BE DISPLACING THE EXISTING RESIDENTS. THE AREAS THAT ARE SURROUNDING THE COMPACT DISTRICT ARE ALREADY FAIRLY DENSE URBAN NEIGHBORHOODS THAT WILL SUPPORT TRANSITUSAGE. TRANSITUSAGE, BUT I THINK THAT THE COMPANTH NEIGHBORHOOD IS A STEP TOWARDS DRAWING SOME INVESTMENTS TOWARDS THIS PART OF EAST DURHAM.>>I DON’T SEE THAT ONE. YOU POINT OUT THE LAND HAS BROWNFIELD PROBLEMS AND GIVEN THAT THERE IS A CHEMICAL PLAN ALONG THE RAIL, TWO OF THEM, AND ONE GRAVEL COMPANY, TWO OF THOSE, YOU SEE THAT AS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT?>>I THINK THAT OVER TIME AND OVER TIME I MEAN OVER SEVERAL DECADES, THE PRESENCE OF A LIGHT RAIL STATION — .>>BUT THE LIGHT RAIL IS NO LONGER COMING THAT WAY.>>WELL IT MIGHT HAVE A BROADER EMPATH ON THE AREA IN WHICH THOSE BUSINESSES CAN MAKE UP THEIR MINDS ABOUT WHETHER THAT LOCATION IS STILL THE RIGHT LOCATION FOR THEIR BUSINESS OR NOT. THAT’S A PRIVATE DECISION THAT THEY’LL NEED TO MAKE AND AGAIN IT WILL HAPPEN OVER TIME. BUT IT IS THE PRESENCE OF INDUSTRIAL BUSINESSES AND BROWNFIELD CAN BE A DETERRENT TO TRANSIT ORIENTED DEVELOPMENT BUT THERE IS NOTHING WE CAN DO AT THIS TIME ABOUT THAT, THOSE ARE STILL VIABLE BUSINESSES.>>WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO HELP US CREATE A COMPACT DISTRICT THAT WOULD BRING ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO US? THAT’S NOT IT.>>I MEAN, WE HAVE A RAILROAD THAT THERE ARE NO PLANS TO TEAR DOWN, WHICH THIS ARCADE, I MEAN, WE HAVE WONDERFUL PEOPLE IN EAST DURHAM AND WE HAVE A BEDROOM COMMUNITY. WE HAVE TO GO IN, OUT OF OUR COMMUNITY FOR GOODS AND SERVICES. YOU KNOW WE SLEEP BUT WE WORK OUT OF THE COMMUNITY, RECREATION WE GO OUT OF THE COMMUNITY, IN ORDER BANKS WE GO OUT OF THE COMMUNITY. TO GET MEDICAL SERVICES WE HAVE TO GO OUT OF THE COMMUNITY. SO WE HAVE A REAL DESPERATE NEED FOR ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT TO TAKE PLACE IN THAT COMMUNITY. CAN WE HAVE A COMPACK– COMPANTH DISTRICT THAT REALLY WORKS?>>WELL I THINK JUST TO LAND USE STRATEGIES ARE ONE ASPECT OF A BROADER PICTURE AND CERTAINLY IN MANY OF THESE AREAS THEY ARE GOING TO NEED TO BE OTHER PROGRAMS, ECONOMIC INCENTIVES THAT WILL HELP TO SPUR DEVELOPMENT. SO IF WE LOOK AT IT AS THIS IS JUST ONE PIECE OF A VERY COMPLICATED LARGER PIE BUT I THINK THAT THERE WILL BE THE COMMITMENT THERE TO WORK TOWARDS MAKING THAT HAPPEN.>>I HAVE JUST ONE MORE COMMENT AND I’M NOT BEING, YOU KNOW HOW MALCOLM SAID, YOU KNOW IF I SAT AT A TABLE AND EVERYBODY HAD SOMETHING ON THEIR PLATE AND THERE IS NOTHING ON MINE I CAN’T CALL MYSELF A DINER. THANK YOU.>>YES.>>COMMISSIONER WHITELY, CAN I ADDRESS HIM?>>NO. ■■ >>GO>>THERE HAVE BEEN MEETINGS FOR MONTHS ON THE LOCATION OF THE AUSTIN AVENUE RAIL STOP ON THE EAST SIDE, WEST SIDE, EAST SIDE, WEST SIDE AND OF COURSE THE EAST SIDE IS A PREFERRED SIDE I THINK FOR THE EAST DURHAM AREA AND I’M GOING TO SAY THIS, FOR THE DURHAM AREA DESIGNERS HAVE LOOKED AT THIS, PLANNED IT, BUT THE ISSUE IS WITH GO TRIANGLE NOW, ALL OF THESE MONTHS THAT THERE HAVE BEEN MEETINGS AT THE CITY COUNCIL, THERE HAVE BEEN MEETINGS EVERYWHERE, I HAVE SERINTITIOUSLY SENT E-MAILS TO EAST DURHAM ON THE EAST DURHAM GROUP. I HAVE NOT SEEN THAT MANY, IF ANY EAST DURHAM REPRESENTATIVES THERE TO VOICE THEIR OPINIONS. YOU THINK SEND E-MAILS TO EACH OTHER BUT YOU’VE GOT TO GET OUT IN PUBLIC AND MAKE YOUR WISHES KNOWN AND WE HAVE, WE’RE IN THE LAST, I’M TALKING RIGHT NOW, COMMISSIONERS.>>OK, WE’RE NOT GOING TO HAVE CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN COMMISSIONERS. GO AHEAD AND MAKE YOUR COMMENT.>>WE WE RIGHT NOW IS OUR LAST CHANCE SO I WOULD SUGGEST THAT WE GET IN TOUCH WITH GO TRIANGLE AND MAKE YOUR WISHES KNOWN, GO TO THE CITY COUNCIL MEETING AND MAKE YOUR WISHES KNOWN AND YOUR PREFERENCES, MAYBE IT WILL DO SOME GOOD NOW. WE’RE TRYING OUR BEST BUT ANYWAY I JUST WANTED TO PUT THAT OUT THERE AS, YOU KNOW, IT IS GOING TO TAKE EFFORT FROM ALL OF US.>>THANK YOU.>>OK. COMMISSIONER WINDERS.>>I JUST LIKE TO SAY THIS, I THINK THE EAST DURHAM PEOPLE HAVE BEEN PRETTY ACTIVE IN THE DELIBERATION HERE AND IT IS JUST YOU KNOW, IT IS UNFORTUNATE THAT THE RAILROAD WON’T ALLOW THE TRAIN TO GO THROUGH THERE, BUT I THINK THAT THE ANSWER FOR EAST DURHAM HAS GOT TO BE IMPROVED BUT, AND ALSO HAVING, WHEN WAYNE COUNTY, IF THEY EVER GET THEIR ACT TOGETHER, EVERYBODY WANTS FOR THE TRANSIT TO GO TO THE AIRPORT AND INTO RTP AND EAST DURHAM NEEDS TO BE ABLE TO GET TO THE END OF THE LINE AS EFFICIENTGY CHEAPALLY AND AS POSSIBLE AND THEN WHEN THEY, AND HOPEFULLY 25 YEARS FROM NOW — . [LAUGHS] — WE’LL GET SOMETHING GOING TO FURTHER EAST AND EAST DURHAM AND IT WILL BE HOOKED UP WITH THE LIGHT RAIL. BUT, YOU KNOW, I DON’T KNOW WHETHER A COMPACT NEIGHBORHOOD BY ITSELF IS NOT GOING TO MAKE DEVELOPMENTS COME THERE I THINK IS WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO.>>ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU. IS YOUR COMMENT RELEVANT OO THE PRESENTATION OR RESPONDING TO WHAT SOMEBODY HAS SAID?>>TO BOTH. I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT THE CONVERSATIONS THAT WE’VE HAD WITH BOTH THE PLANNING DEPARTMENT AS THE EAST DURHAM RESIDENT AND ON THE COMPACT NEIGHBORHOODS AS WELL AS IN THE TRANSIT CONVERSATIONS HAS BEEN VERY WELL ATTENDED AND ACTIVE. IT DOESN’T NEED TO BE A GENERAL MEETING FOR ALL IT IS ACTUALLY HAS BEEN HAPPENING AND I THINK THAT THE CONVERSATION IS MOVING IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION FIRST OF ALL. AND THEN SECOND OFF THE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT THAT’S COMING INTO EAST DURHAM IS ALREADY IN LINE, I THINK THAT THERE IS, THIS WITH COMMISSIONER WINDERS IS MENTIONING IS THAT THIS IS NOT A LANDUSE ASPECTISM THIS ACTUALLY IS AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT. I WOULD ENCOURAGE ANYONE THAT HAS ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS OR ANY GENERAL PURPOSE IN BEING INVOLVED IN EAST DURHAM IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO YOU COULD ACTUALLY ATTEND A NORTHEAST CENTRAL DURHAM LEADERSHIP COUNCIL MEETING IN WHICH THESE ISSUES ARE ADDRESSED. SO THANK YOU.>>THANK YOU. AND THANK YOU MRS. JACOBS. SCOTT OR GRACE CAN YOU TELL US WHAT’S COMING UP NEXT MONTH.>>FOR NEXT MONTH YOU HAVE YOUR CONTINUED K FROM OCTOBER WHICH IS THE FAIRINGTEN MIXED USE CASE COMING BACK FOR IN THE CASE MONTH AND THEN WE HAVE THREE ZONING MAP CHANGE REQUESTS THAT WILL THE BEFORE YOU AS WELL. MOSE OF THEM ARE IN VERY SIMILAR LOCATIONS, ONE IS ON STIRM CREEK DRIVE, TB ALEXANDER AND THE OTHER 15517- THE FIRST TWO ARE VERY TO EACH OTHER.>>DO WE EXPECT CHANGES IN THE PROPOSAL WE SAW LAST MONTH THAT’S COMING BACK NEXT MONTH?>>FOR MIXED USE? YES THEY HAVE MET WITH US AND REVISED THEIR PLANS SOME.>>GREAT, THANK YOU.>>YOU’RE WELCOME.>>REVOLVER, IT’S BEEN A PLEASURE THIS LAST MEETING, BEST OF LUCK TO YOU AND YOUR ENDEAVORS. ANY OTHER COMMENTS. PAT YOU HAVE ANYTHING? COMMISSIONERS? BE ARE ADJOURNED.

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