Introductory music. What do you think should be or would be a BJP strategy for 2019 elections? -BJP is still a wonderful party and except that when Vajpayee adopted Gandhian socialism, I said, I have nothing to do with it. But there I probably misjudged the RSS thinking that they were also very complicit in that, they were not. But they are not as much interfering as many of us would probably like them to be. They are very cautious, they are very concerned that the alternative should be worse than this, so on. But, it today, the workers that RSS provides to BJP at the time of election is unbeatable. But RSS itself cannot control its workers if there is no enthusiasm. So, if the party becomes a Hindutva party again before the next election, I am sure, we are bound to win the election. But the worker has to be convinced that he is not being fooled. Because this is happened the second time. After Mr Vajpayee, Mr Modi is more or less the same. Yes, Modi, often people are perceiving that he is becoming like Vajpayee, very sort of soft on these issues. -That’s right. -Yeah. You know, until this year, until prior to this year, I did not know the RSS personally. I just knew of them like through the media like everybody knows and it’s a very scary kind of image, negative image. But this year I made it an effort to get to know Mohan Bhagwatji, met him multiple times. -Yes. -And all the joint general secretaries, all six of them, I got to meet. And I must say they are very impressive people. I mean, they are intelligent, they really are patriotic and they are good decent human beings. It is not like the radical Fascist all these kind of stuff, You know, I must say that the truth about RSS, especially when you meet the top people, is completely different from the image. -That’s right. -So, there needs to be complete change of image That’s what they, one of the challenges they have. -No, it’s very difficult because the levers of publicity have been so far solidly with people who saw an existential threat from RSS. -Yes. So, I think that the one robust place to help India turn around despite of all these things that are happening, is the RSS. -Yes. -Because the leadership is very strong. They are very principled people, they are clear thinking, they are straight talking. -That’s right. They are not mumbo jumbo type people. They are straight talking and very logical in their approach. And if that can come down to the ranks, -That’s right and then that can be put out there into, -Now, I have seen ranks also during the emergency, so systematic, we were able to win the elections only because of the RSS. Not because JP, not because of Morarji or any other. They were there to take the reins. It’s like the British left because of Subhash Chandra Bose. -Yes. But had been Gandhi not been around they would have handed over quietly and gone. -Yes. -There would’ve been a bloody war. -Yes. -Which of course, Bose would have won, but. -Yes. -It would’ve have been very bloody indeed. So, here too, I mean, you can have, you know, the political authority being people who can function with various other parties but in terms of the ability, to weave a national organization, this RSS has that capacity. -They are quite stable, robust and anchored in the political and spiritual ideology of the country, -That’s right. Which is, I tell you when I started my journey long ago, I didn’t know where the strength is that I should plug in to. -That’s right. -So, I used to go to, you know, I thought maybe the BJP overseas or VHP overseas they never liked me. They were all interested in being in the good books of somebody in Delhi, visiting and doing trivial things Then I tried the intellectuals and the academics, they were all sold out, they were all sepoys. Then I tried the lot of spiritual leaders. I must say that as long as Swami Dayanand Saraswati was here, I had a solid anchor and a solid ally. -Absolutely. -But after he was gone even the Hindu dharmacharya sabha, I am not sure what’s happening to it. -No, it’s a non-functional unit. It’s a non functional and there are dharma samitie here and there, I don’t even know anything about it and they are not movers and shakers. They are not, there is nobody of that stature left. So, then I thought maybe okay, this is new government. Finally, we have a government that will do something and I tried a lot to get around. -Yes, yes. -And that also is a disappointment. I must say the final pace that I have pursued is the RSS and finally, I am impressed that there is somebody who is looking out for us. And competent. -That’s right. But, they are slow in taking decisions. -Yes. -And deliberately slow. -And they need to modernize. And in terms of mental modernization, they are completely modernized. -Yes, yes. -They don’t care what your caste is. Yes, they are far ahead of all these liberal people. -That’s right. -In terms of actually living that life. -That’s right. So, there I don’t see any difficulty if tomorrow we do three, four things of coming back to power. Because the machinery would get so energized that there will be no match for it. And these people also will be like keystone cops I don’t know those days you have seen films of keystone cops. They all fumble over each other these opposition. They can’t come together. And Karnataka for example, could collapse any day. And in fact, if the party gives me clearance, I will go and collapse it in two weeks. The issue is this that the Ram Temple is an emotion that has been stirred, That’s a tipping point. -As a tipping point. 370, Article 370, -That’s a big one. -Which can be abolished without a parliamentary vote. But is it, is it part of the constitution? -It is in the constitution, but they say temporary provision with regard to the Jammu Kashmir state. In that it says that if the President issues a notification, then without a parliamentary vote it can be deleted. Then they should, I don’t know why they haven’t done it. -Good question! Ram setu, I got it, I won it in the court case. It took me four years to persuade the Narendra Modi government to say in parliament, we have, we are assuring that we won’t touch Ram Setu in any future program. Because there was a, when I won the case, Mr. Manmohan Singh wrote a letter saying a formal order should not be passed with Supreme Court because he is considering an alternative route without touching Ram Setu. And that went on and on for ten years. -Right. -And then I said, now that you, please inform the Supreme Court that we are not considering any alternative. -Yeah. -So, finally they agreed to a proposition to say that we will not touch Ram Setu even if we consider an alternative. -That is a huge victory. -Yeah. But it took me 4 years, yes. And it ought to be in the headlines as a victory. -It was at that time. For two days it was in the headlines here. But I now want them to make it a national heritage monument. And maybe an international UNESCO site or give it that stature. -That’s right. -World heritage. -That so people can walk across through. -Yeah, yeah. -And that is still getting resistance. Wow, that’s… That would be something if you could have a -Yes, Ram temple there and the air service connecting the two. And some pace around the way, this and that, they want this could be made. -Yeah, yeah. And by the way, the Sri Lankan government at my suggestion, completely renovated the Ravan palace where Sita stayed in Ashok Vatika, the Sanjeevani mountain which Hanuman placed in Sri Lanka. All that they have, they are just waiting for the flood of our visitors to come. -Yeah, yeah. That’s great. I want to close by saying that my one point manifesto for the next government is that Dr. Subramanyam Swamy should be in a top cabinet position, nothing less than that. I mean, apt is nothing no middle, I mean, because you have earned it, you deserve it, you have the integrity, you have the brain, clarity, confidence like nobody else. So, and I am delighted to call you on. Or I …Maybe the God above is hearing you and put into events into. -And that’s we all would like. Thank you so much. -Enjoyed it. -Thank you so much.