Attorney General William Barr Threatens To Skip House Hearing Thursday | The Last Word | MSNBC

Attorney General William Barr Threatens To Skip House Hearing Thursday | The Last Word | MSNBC


THE PEOPLE WHO SURVIVED SATURDAY AND THE WOMAN WHO DIDN’T. AND THE WOMAN WHO DIDN’T. ALL AT THE END OF THIS HOUR. ALL AT THE END OF THIS HOUR. TONIGHT, WE HAVE AN ATTORNEY TONIGHT, WE HAVE AN ATTORNEY GENERAL TAKING AN UNPRECEDENTED GENERAL TAKING AN UNPRECEDENTED POSITION, ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR POSITION, ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR IS SAYING THAT NO STAFF IS SAYING THAT NO STAFF ATTORNEYS ON ANY COMMITTEES CAN ATTORNEYS ON ANY COMMITTEES CAN EVER QUESTION HIM. EVER QUESTION HIM. OF COURSE, CONGRESS HAS BEEN OF COURSE, CONGRESS HAS BEEN DOING IT THAT WAY FOR DECADES DOING IT THAT WAY FOR DECADES FOR AS LONG AS I’VE BEEN ALIVE. FOR AS LONG AS I’VE BEEN ALIVE. SOME OF THE MOST FAMOUS SOME OF THE MOST FAMOUS QUESTIONING IN CONGRESSIONAL QUESTIONING IN CONGRESSIONAL HEARINGS HAS BEEN DONE BY STAFF HEARINGS HAS BEEN DONE BY STAFF ATTORNEYS. ATTORNEYS. AND SO WILLIAM BARR HAS ISSUED AND SO WILLIAM BARR HAS ISSUED KIND OF A THREAT AND WE DON’T KIND OF A THREAT AND WE DON’T KNOW IF HE’S GOING TO SHOW UP AT KNOW IF HE’S GOING TO SHOW UP AT THE HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE THE HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE HEARING WHERE THEY WANT TO USE HEARING WHERE THEY WANT TO USE SOME STAFF ATTORNEYS TO ASK SOME STAFF ATTORNEYS TO ASK QUESTIONS INSTEAD OF JUST THE QUESTIONS INSTEAD OF JUST THE MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE. MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE. THE SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE THE SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE IS RUN BY REPUBLICAN LINDSEY IS RUN BY REPUBLICAN LINDSEY GRAHAM AND THEY’RE GOING TO DO GRAHAM AND THEY’RE GOING TO DO EVERYTHING EXACTLY THE WAY EVERYTHING EXACTLY THE WAY WILLIAM BARR WANTS THEM TO DO WILLIAM BARR WANTS THEM TO DO IT. IT. SO THERE WON’T BE ANY TENSION SO THERE WON’T BE ANY TENSION FOR WILLIAM BARR IN THE SENATE FOR WILLIAM BARR IN THE SENATE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE HEARING ON JUDICIARY COMMITTEE HEARING ON WEDNESDAY. WEDNESDAY. BUT ON THURSDAY, SAYING HE JUST BUT ON THURSDAY, SAYING HE JUST MIGHT NOT SHOW UP FOR THE HOUSE MIGHT NOT SHOW UP FOR THE HOUSE HEARING. HEARING. AND SO THERE’S A STATEMENT AND SO THERE’S A STATEMENT TONIGHT FROM THE JUSTICE TONIGHT FROM THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT SAYING THE ATTORNEY DEPARTMENT SAYING THE ATTORNEY GENERAL AGREED TO APPEAR BEFORE GENERAL AGREED TO APPEAR BEFORE CONGRESS. CONGRESS. THEREFORE, MEMBERS OF CONGRESS THEREFORE, MEMBERS OF CONGRESS SHOULD BE THE ONES DOING THE SHOULD BE THE ONES DOING THE QUESTIONING. QUESTIONING. HE REMAINS HAPPY TO ENGAGE, DO HE REMAINS HAPPY TO ENGAGE, DO YOU BELIEVE THAT, HAPPY, HE YOU BELIEVE THAT, HAPPY, HE REMAINS HAPPY TO ENGAGE WITH REMAINS HAPPY TO ENGAGE WITH MEMBERS ON THEIR QUESTIONS MEMBERS ON THEIR QUESTIONS REGARDING THE MUELLER REPORT. REGARDING THE MUELLER REPORT. HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE CHAIRMAN JERRY NADLER EXPLAINED CHAIRMAN JERRY NADLER EXPLAINED THE NEED FOR COMMITTEE LAWYERS THE NEED FOR COMMITTEE LAWYERS TO QUESTION THE ATTORNEY TO QUESTION THE ATTORNEY GENERAL. GENERAL.>>WE’VE SEEN ANY NUMBER OF>>WE’VE SEEN ANY NUMBER OF INSTANCES UNDER THE FIVE-MINUTE INSTANCES UNDER THE FIVE-MINUTE RULE WHERE A WITNESS ALSO RULE WHERE A WITNESS ALSO FILIBUSTER FOR 4 1/2 MINUTES AND FILIBUSTER FOR 4 1/2 MINUTES AND GIVE A NONRESPONSIVE ANSWER IN GIVE A NONRESPONSIVE ANSWER IN THE LAST HALF MINUTE AND YOU THE LAST HALF MINUTE AND YOU CAN’T FOLLOW UP. CAN’T FOLLOW UP. IF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL IS IF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL IS AFRAID TO SUBJECT HIMSELF TO AFRAID TO SUBJECT HIMSELF TO QUESTIONS WHERE YOU CAN FOLLOW QUESTIONS WHERE YOU CAN FOLLOW UP THAT MAY INDICATE LACK OF UP THAT MAY INDICATE LACK OF CONFIDENCE IN HIS OWN POSITIONS. CONFIDENCE IN HIS OWN POSITIONS. IT’S NOT UP TO THE ATTORNEY IT’S NOT UP TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL TO TELL THE COMMITTEE GENERAL TO TELL THE COMMITTEE HOW TO CONDUCT ITS BUSINESS OR HOW TO CONDUCT ITS BUSINESS OR WE WILL DECIDE WHAT THE MOST WE WILL DECIDE WHAT THE MOST EFFECTIVE WAY OF ASKING EFFECTIVE WAY OF ASKING QUESTIONS ARE AND THAT’S WHAT QUESTIONS ARE AND THAT’S WHAT OUR DECISION IS. OUR DECISION IS.>>CHAIRMAN NADLER SAID THAT>>CHAIRMAN NADLER SAID THAT ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR COULD BE ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR COULD BE SUBPOENAED IF HE REFUSES TO SUBPOENAED IF HE REFUSES TO TESTIFY THIS WEEK. TESTIFY THIS WEEK.>>WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF HE>>WHAT WILL HAPPEN IF HE DOESN’T SHOW UP? DOESN’T SHOW UP?>>WE’VE TOLD HIM WE EXPECT HIM>>WE’VE TOLD HIM WE EXPECT HIM TO SHOW UP ON THURSDAY AND WE’RE TO SHOW UP ON THURSDAY AND WE’RE GOING TO CONDUCT THE INQUIRE AS GOING TO CONDUCT THE INQUIRE AS WE SAID WE WOULD. WE SAID WE WOULD. IF HE DOESN’T SHOW UP, WE’LL IF HE DOESN’T SHOW UP, WE’LL RESORT TO SUBPOENAS. RESORT TO SUBPOENAS.>>HE WAS ASKED WHETHER WILLIAM>>HE WAS ASKED WHETHER WILLIAM BARR’S OBJECTIONS TO TESTIFYING BARR’S OBJECTIONS TO TESTIFYING COULD CHANGE THE COMMITTEE’S COULD CHANGE THE COMMITTEE’S POSITION ON IMPEACHMENT. POSITION ON IMPEACHMENT.>>IF THE ADMINISTRATION>>IF THE ADMINISTRATION CONTINUES TO STONEWALL, DOESN’T CONTINUES TO STONEWALL, DOESN’T LET BARR COME, DOES THERE IS LET BARR COME, DOES THERE IS HELP BUILD THE CASE TOWARDS HELP BUILD THE CASE TOWARDS STARTING IMPEACHMENT IT STARTING IMPEACHMENT IT PROCEEDINGS? PROCEEDINGS?>>IT CERTAINLY BUILDS THE CASE>>IT CERTAINLY BUILDS THE CASE AT THAT TIME ADMINISTRATION AND AT THAT TIME ADMINISTRATION AND THE PRESIDENT IS ENGAGED IN THE PRESIDENT IS ENGAGED IN WHOLESALE OBSTRUCTION OF WHOLESALE OBSTRUCTION OF CONGRESS. CONGRESS. COMPLETELY EXTRA CONSTITUTIONAL. COMPLETELY EXTRA CONSTITUTIONAL. TRYING TO MAKE THE PRESIDENCY TRYING TO MAKE THE PRESIDENCY NOT RESPONSIVE TO CONGRESS, NOT RESPONSIVE TO CONGRESS, TRYING TO MAKE THE PRESIDENCY TRYING TO MAKE THE PRESIDENCY INTO A MONARCHY. INTO A MONARCHY. IT IS ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE. IT IS ABSOLUTELY UNACCEPTABLE. WE’LL TAKE WHATEVER ACTION WE WE’LL TAKE WHATEVER ACTION WE HAVE TO DO TO DEAL WITH IT. HAVE TO DO TO DEAL WITH IT.>>INCLUDEING IMPEACHMENT>>INCLUDEING IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS? PROCEEDINGS?>>THAT REMAINS TO BE SEEN.>>THAT REMAINS TO BE SEEN.>>”THE WASHINGTON POST” IS>>”THE WASHINGTON POST” IS REPORTING TONIGHT FRUSTRATION REPORTING TONIGHT FRUSTRATION AMONG HOUSE DEMOCRATIC AMONG HOUSE DEMOCRATIC INVESTIGATORS LEADING SOME TO INVESTIGATORS LEADING SOME TO PRIVATELY QUESTION WHETHER THEY PRIVATELY QUESTION WHETHER THEY SHOULD TRY TO PRESSURE SPEAKER SHOULD TRY TO PRESSURE SPEAKER NANCY PELOSI INTO LAUNCHING NANCY PELOSI INTO LAUNCHING IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS. IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS. THE CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE THE CHAIRMAN AND MEMBERS OF THE SIX PANELS INVESTIGATING THE SIX PANELS INVESTIGATING THE PRESIDENT ARE INCREASINGLY PRESIDENT ARE INCREASINGLY ANGERED BY THE WHITE HOUSE’S ANGERED BY THE WHITE HOUSE’S UNWILLINGNESS TO COMPLY AS THEY UNWILLINGNESS TO COMPLY AS THEY CARRY OUT THEIR OVERSIGHT ROLE CARRY OUT THEIR OVERSIGHT ROLE ACCORDING TO SEVERAL HOUSE ACCORDING TO SEVERAL HOUSE DEMOCRATIC OFFICIALS WHO SPOKE DEMOCRATIC OFFICIALS WHO SPOKE ON THE CONDITION OF ANONYMITY TO ON THE CONDITION OF ANONYMITY TO DISCUSS THE MATTER FREELY. DISCUSS THE MATTER FREELY. HOUSE SPEAKER NANCY PELOSI SAID HOUSE SPEAKER NANCY PELOSI SAID THIS TODAY ABOUT THE ATTORNEY THIS TODAY ABOUT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL’S UPCOMING TESTIMONY. GENERAL’S UPCOMING TESTIMONY.>>WHAT’S YOUR MESSAGE TO>>WHAT’S YOUR MESSAGE TO ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR? ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR?>>UNDER YOUR OATH OF OFFICE.>>UNDER YOUR OATH OF OFFICE.>>AND LET’S JUST TAKE A LOOK>>AND LET’S JUST TAKE A LOOK BACK TO SOME OF THE MOST BACK TO SOME OF THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTIONING AND MOST IMPORTANT QUESTIONING AND MOST MEMORABLE QUESTIONING STUFF THAT MEMORABLE QUESTIONING STUFF THAT I CAN REMEMBER FROM WHEN I WAS I CAN REMEMBER FROM WHEN I WAS IN COLLEGE DURING THE WATERGATE IN COLLEGE DURING THE WATERGATE HEARINGS, THERE WERE STAFF HEARINGS, THERE WERE STAFF ATTORNEYS FOR BOTH PARTIES IN ATTORNEYS FOR BOTH PARTIES IN THE HEARINGS OFFERING THE THE HEARINGS OFFERING THE QUESTIONING, FRED THOMPSON QUESTIONING, FRED THOMPSON BECAME A BIG POLITICAL STAR, BECAME A BIG POLITICAL STAR, REPUBLICAN FRED THOMPSON WHO WAS REPUBLICAN FRED THOMPSON WHO WAS THE REPUBLICAN COUNSEL TO THE THE REPUBLICAN COUNSEL TO THE COMMITTEE. COMMITTEE. BECAME A BIG POLITICAL STAR AS A BECAME A BIG POLITICAL STAR AS A RESULT OF HIS STARRING ROLE IN RESULT OF HIS STARRING ROLE IN THE HEARINGS ASKING QUESTIONS. THE HEARINGS ASKING QUESTIONS. THAT ENABLED HIM TO MOUNT A THAT ENABLED HIM TO MOUNT A SENATE CAMPAIGN LATER IN HIS SENATE CAMPAIGN LATER IN HIS CAREER. CAREER. LET’S WATCH STAFF ATTORNEY FRED LET’S WATCH STAFF ATTORNEY FRED THOMPSON, REPUBLICAN STAFF THOMPSON, REPUBLICAN STAFF ATTORNEY FRED THOMPSON IN THE ATTORNEY FRED THOMPSON IN THE WATERGATE HEARINGS. WATERGATE HEARINGS.>>SO YOU WERE EMPLOYED ON>>SO YOU WERE EMPLOYED ON JANUARY 21st, 1969 AND CONTINUED JANUARY 21st, 1969 AND CONTINUED TO BE EMPLOYED UNTIL MARCH 14 OF TO BE EMPLOYED UNTIL MARCH 14 OF THIS YEAR, IS THAT CORRECT? THIS YEAR, IS THAT CORRECT?>>THAT’S CORRECTING.>>THAT’S CORRECTING.>MR. BUT THE IRFIELD ARE THE AN>MR. BUT THE IRFIELD ARE THE AN AWARE CONFIDENT OF INSTALLATION AWARE CONFIDENT OF INSTALLATION OF ANY LISTENING DEVICES IN THE OF ANY LISTENING DEVICES IN THE OVAL OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT. OVAL OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT.>>I WAS AWARE OF LISTENING>>I WAS AWARE OF LISTENING DEVICES, YES, SIR. DEVICES, YES, SIR.>>MAYBE THE MOST IMPORTANT>>MAYBE THE MOST IMPORTANT QUESTION ASKED IN THE HEARING, QUESTION ASKED IN THE HEARING, ONE OF THE MOST CERTAINLY. ONE OF THE MOST CERTAINLY. LET’S WATCH SAM DASH, SAM DASH LET’S WATCH SAM DASH, SAM DASH WAS THE ATTORNEY THE COUNSEL ON WAS THE ATTORNEY THE COUNSEL ON THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE OF THE THE DEMOCRATIC SIDE OF THE COMMITTEE. COMMITTEE. LET’S WATCH HIM AT WORK. LET’S WATCH HIM AT WORK.>>NOW WITH REGARD TO THE>>NOW WITH REGARD TO THE TELEPHONES, THEY WERE OPERATED, TELEPHONES, THEY WERE OPERATED, WERE THEY NOT BY AS SOON AS THE WERE THEY NOT BY AS SOON AS THE PRESIDENT THAT USES HIS PRESIDENT THAT USES HIS TELEPHONE, LIFTED UP HIS TELEPHONE, LIFTED UP HIS TELEPHONE AND ENGAGED IN A TELEPHONE AND ENGAGED IN A CONVERSATION OR RECEIVED A CONVERSATION OR RECEIVED A CONVERSATION ON HIS PRESIDENT’S CONVERSATION ON HIS PRESIDENT’S PHONE, THE RECORDING DEVICE PHONE, THE RECORDING DEVICE BEGAN TO RECORD THE TELEPHONE BEGAN TO RECORD THE TELEPHONE CONVERSATION? CONVERSATION?>>THAT’S MY UNDERSTANDING,>>THAT’S MY UNDERSTANDING, MR. DASH, BUT I LACK ALL OF THE MR. DASH, BUT I LACK ALL OF THE TECHNICAL KNOWLEDGE OF THE TECHNICAL KNOWLEDGE OF THE TELEPHONE RECORDING DEVICE. TELEPHONE RECORDING DEVICE.>>LEADING OFF OUR DISCUSSION>>LEADING OFF OUR DISCUSSION TONIGHT A MEMBER OF THE TONIGHT A MEMBER OF THE COMMITTEE THAT HAS JURISDICTION COMMITTEE THAT HAS JURISDICTION OVER IMPEACHMENT, DEMOCRATIC OVER IMPEACHMENT, DEMOCRATIC CONGRESSMAN JAMIE RASKIN OF CONGRESSMAN JAMIE RASKIN OF MARYLAND A MEMBER OF THE HOUSE MARYLAND A MEMBER OF THE HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE AND WHO JUDICIARY COMMITTEE AND WHO MIGHT MIGHT BE QUESTIONING MIGHT MIGHT BE QUESTIONING WILLIAM BARR THIS WEEK. WILLIAM BARR THIS WEEK. HE’S ALSO A MEMBER OF THE HOUSE HE’S ALSO A MEMBER OF THE HOUSE OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE. OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE. ALSO SENIOR EDITOR AT THE ALSO SENIOR EDITOR AT THE ATLANTIC WROTE THE COVER STORY ATLANTIC WROTE THE COVER STORY MAKING THE CASE FOR IMPEACHING MAKING THE CASE FOR IMPEACHING PRESIDENT TRUMP BEFORE THE PRESIDENT TRUMP BEFORE THE MUELLER REPORT WAS COMPLETED. MUELLER REPORT WAS COMPLETED. AND JULIAN EPSTEIN IS WITH US, A AND JULIAN EPSTEIN IS WITH US, A FORMER DEMOCRATIC CHIEF COUNSEL FORMER DEMOCRATIC CHIEF COUNSEL TO THE HOUSE JUDICIARY TO THE HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE, NO ONE KNOWS THE COMMITTEE, NO ONE KNOWS THE PROCEDURES OF THE COMMITTEE PROCEDURES OF THE COMMITTEE BETTER THAN JULIAN EPSTEIN. BETTER THAN JULIAN EPSTEIN.>>CONGRESS MAN RASKIN, LET ME>>CONGRESS MAN RASKIN, LET ME START WITH YOU. START WITH YOU. I CAN REMEMBER FRED THOMPSON, I I CAN REMEMBER FRED THOMPSON, I CAN REMEMBER RESAM DASH FROM THE CAN REMEMBER RESAM DASH FROM THE WATERGATE COMMITTEE HEARINGS WATERGATE COMMITTEE HEARINGS BETTER THAN I CAN REMEMBER ANY BETTER THAN I CAN REMEMBER ANY MEMBER WHO WAS ACTUALLY ALSO ON MEMBER WHO WAS ACTUALLY ALSO ON THE PANELS ASKING QUESTIONS. THE PANELS ASKING QUESTIONS. WE REMEMBER SPECIFICALLY WA WHAT WE REMEMBER SPECIFICALLY WA WHAT THEIR QUESTIONS ARE. THEIR QUESTIONS ARE. THE ATTORNEY GENERAL HAS NO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL HAS NO STANDING THAT I’M AWARE OF TO STANDING THAT I’M AWARE OF TO OBJECT TO THE PROCESSES OF THE OBJECT TO THE PROCESSES OF THE COMPLETE. COMPLETE. DOES HE — DOES THE ATTORNEY DOES HE — DOES THE ATTORNEY GENERAL KNOW SOMETHING I DON’T GENERAL KNOW SOMETHING I DON’T KNOW ABOUT THE HOUSE JUDICIARY KNOW ABOUT THE HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE? COMMITTEE?>>HE DOESN’T RUB THE COMMITTEE.>>HE DOESN’T RUB THE COMMITTEE. HE DOESN’T RUN CONGRESS. HE DOESN’T RUN CONGRESS. AND WE’RE NOT GOING TO ALLOW HIM AND WE’RE NOT GOING TO ALLOW HIM TO MICROMANAGE THE FORMAT OF OUR TO MICROMANAGE THE FORMAT OF OUR QUESTIONING. QUESTIONING. AND AS I THINK YOU QUOED A AND AS I THINK YOU QUOED A LITTLE EXCERPT FROM AN INTERVIEW LITTLE EXCERPT FROM AN INTERVIEW WITH CHAIRMAN NADLER, THE WITH CHAIRMAN NADLER, THE COMMITTEE FEELS VERY STRONGLY COMMITTEE FEELS VERY STRONGLY ABOUT THE WITNESSES THAT HAVE ABOUT THE WITNESSES THAT HAVE BEEN COMING EARLIER FROM THE BEEN COMING EARLIER FROM THE ADMINISTRATION AND JUST ADMINISTRATION AND JUST FILIBUSTERING US. FILIBUSTERING US. I REMEMBER WHEN ATTORNEY GENERAL I REMEMBER WHEN ATTORNEY GENERAL WHITAKER CAME IN AND WOULD HAVE WHITAKER CAME IN AND WOULD HAVE HUGE WINDUPS FOR 60 SECONDS HUGE WINDUPS FOR 60 SECONDS PRAISING THE QUESTION AND IT WAS PRAISING THE QUESTION AND IT WAS SUCH A BRILLIANT QUESTION TILL SUCH A BRILLIANT QUESTION TILL FINALLY PEOPLE SAID DON’T PRAISE FINALLY PEOPLE SAID DON’T PRAISE MY QUESTION. MY QUESTION. I DON’T NEED TO BE THANKED JUST I DON’T NEED TO BE THANKED JUST ANSWER THE QUESTION. ANSWER THE QUESTION. OBVIOUSLY THEY’RE BEING TAUGHT OBVIOUSLY THEY’RE BEING TAUGHT TO FILIBUSTER. TO FILIBUSTER. WE THOUGHT EACH MEMBER WOULD WE THOUGHT EACH MEMBER WOULD HAVE FINE MINUTES TO QUESTION, HAVE FINE MINUTES TO QUESTION, AND THERE WOULD BE 30 MINUTES AND THERE WOULD BE 30 MINUTES WHERE THE REPUBLICANS WOULD BE WHERE THE REPUBLICANS WOULD BE ABLE TO QUESTION AND 30 MINUTES ABLE TO QUESTION AND 30 MINUTES WHERE THE DEMOCRATS WOULD BE WHERE THE DEMOCRATS WOULD BE ABLE TO QUESTION. ABLE TO QUESTION. AND AS YOU’RE POINTING OUT, AND AS YOU’RE POINTING OUT, THERE’S GREAT PRECEDENT FOR THERE’S GREAT PRECEDENT FOR THAT. THAT. IT’S UP TO US. IT’S UP TO US. SUDDENLY WE HAVING THE ATTORNEY SUDDENLY WE HAVING THE ATTORNEY GENERAL TRYING TO DICTATE HOW WE GENERAL TRYING TO DICTATE HOW WE RUN OUR COMMITTEE. RUN OUR COMMITTEE. I KNOW CHAIRMAN NADLER AND THE I KNOW CHAIRMAN NADLER AND THE MEMBERS WILL NOT ACCEPT THAT. MEMBERS WILL NOT ACCEPT THAT.>>JULIAN EPSTEIN, KNOWING THE>>JULIAN EPSTEIN, KNOWING THE RULES THE WAY YOU DO, WHAT’S RULES THE WAY YOU DO, WHAT’S GOING TO HAPPEN HERE? GOING TO HAPPEN HERE?>>WELL, I THINK THERE’S A>>WELL, I THINK THERE’S A STANDOFF RIGHT NOW. STANDOFF RIGHT NOW. AND THE COMMITTEE CERTAINLY HAS AND THE COMMITTEE CERTAINLY HAS THE RULES UNDER THE HOUSE RULES THE RULES UNDER THE HOUSE RULES TO BE ABLE TO BE HAVE STAFF ASK TO BE ABLE TO BE HAVE STAFF ASK QUESTIONS. QUESTIONS. IT’S EXACTLY WHAT WE DID DURING IT’S EXACTLY WHAT WE DID DURING THE 1998 HEARINGS WITH KEN STARR THE 1998 HEARINGS WITH KEN STARR WHERE WE HAD OUR INVESTIGATORS WHERE WE HAD OUR INVESTIGATORS ASK QUESTIONS AND YOUR SETUP ASK QUESTIONS AND YOUR SETUP PIECE OBVIOUSLY YOU TALKED ABOUT PIECE OBVIOUSLY YOU TALKED ABOUT ALL THE OTHER PRECEDENTS IRAN ALL THE OTHER PRECEDENTS IRAN CON TRACTION WATERGATE, SO ON. CON TRACTION WATERGATE, SO ON. I THINK SOME OF THIS I THINK SOME OF THIS DISCUSSION — THERE’S NO DISCUSSION — THERE’S NO QUESTION ABOUT PRESS DENY NO, QUESTION ABOUT PRESS DENY NO, QUESTION ABOUT STAFF ASKING QUESTION ABOUT STAFF ASKING SENATE CONFIRMED CABINET SENATE CONFIRMED CABINET OFFICIALS TO BE ABLE TO TESTIFY. OFFICIALS TO BE ABLE TO TESTIFY. THAT’S WELL ESTABLISHED IN THAT’S WELL ESTABLISHED IN PRECEDENT. PRECEDENT. I THINK SOME OF THIS I THINK SOME OF THIS CONVERSATION MISSES IT THE CONVERSATION MISSES IT THE FOREST FOR THE TREES. FOREST FOR THE TREES. THIS IS REALLY THE OPENING SHOT THIS IS REALLY THE OPENING SHOT IN A LONGER TERM GAME TA BOTH IN A LONGER TERM GAME TA BOTH THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT AND THE THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT AND THE HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE ARE HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE ARE PLAYING. PLAYING. JUSTICE DEPARTMENT HAS A THEORY JUSTICE DEPARTMENT HAS A THEORY ON THE CASE. ON THE CASE. THEIR THEORY ON THE CASE IS WE THEIR THEORY ON THE CASE IS WE CAN IGNORE ALL THE NORMS AND CAN IGNORE ALL THE NORMS AND THUMB OUR NOSE AT THE COMMITTEE THUMB OUR NOSE AT THE COMMITTEE AND SAY SEE US IN COURT. AND SAY SEE US IN COURT. WE CAN TIE THIS THING UP IN WE CAN TIE THIS THING UP IN COURT FOR MONTHS IF NOT YEARS. COURT FOR MONTHS IF NOT YEARS. IN THE MEANTIME, HOUSE JUDICIARY IN THE MEANTIME, HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE, YOU’VE GOT ABOUT AS COMMITTEE, YOU’VE GOT ABOUT AS MUCH EVIDENCE AS YOU’RE PROBABLY MUCH EVIDENCE AS YOU’RE PROBABLY GOING TO GET IF YOU THINK THE GOING TO GET IF YOU THINK THE PRESIDENT OBSTRUCTED JUSTICE AND PRESIDENT OBSTRUCTED JUSTICE AND VIOLATED THE LAW, CALL THE VIOLATED THE LAW, CALL THE QUESTION ON IMPEACHMENT. QUESTION ON IMPEACHMENT. I DARE YOU TO. I DARE YOU TO. THAT’S BARR’S THEORY ON THE THAT’S BARR’S THEORY ON THE CASE. CASE. THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE THEORY THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE THEORY ON THE CASE IS PRAEV PROBABLY ON THE CASE IS PRAEV PROBABLY GOT A BETTER LEGAL ARGUMENT TO GOT A BETTER LEGAL ARGUMENT TO GET ACCESS NOT JUST TO BE ABLE GET ACCESS NOT JUST TO BE ABLE TO CONDUCT HEARINGS THE WAY WE TO CONDUCT HEARINGS THE WAY WE WANT TO BUT THERE’S OTHER ISSUES WANT TO BUT THERE’S OTHER ISSUES HERE THAT ARE EVEN BIGGER HERE THAT ARE EVEN BIGGER ISSUES. ISSUES. I DON’T THINK BARR TESTIFYING ON I DON’T THINK BARR TESTIFYING ON THURSDAY IS GOING TO ADVANCE THE THURSDAY IS GOING TO ADVANCE THE KNOWLEDGE THAT MUCH BECAUSE I KNOWLEDGE THAT MUCH BECAUSE I THINK HE KNOWS HOW TO DANCE THINK HE KNOWS HOW TO DANCE AROUND THE QUESTIONS. AROUND THE QUESTIONS. BIGGER ISSUES HERE ARE WHETHER BIGGER ISSUES HERE ARE WHETHER THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE WILL BE THE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE WILL BE ABLE TO GET THE REDACTED ABLE TO GET THE REDACTED PORTIONS OF THE BARR REPORT AND PORTIONS OF THE BARR REPORT AND ACCESS TO THE WITNESSES ON THE ACCESS TO THE WITNESSES ON THE UNDERLYING MATERIAL. UNDERLYING MATERIAL. THEIR THEORY IS WE’VE GOT A THEIR THEORY IS WE’VE GOT A STRONGER CASE IN COURTILY. STRONGER CASE IN COURTILY. IF YOU WANT TO TIE US UP IN IF YOU WANT TO TIE US UP IN COURT FOR THE NEXT SEVERAL COURT FOR THE NEXT SEVERAL MONTHS OR EVEN YEAR, GUESS WHAT, MONTHS OR EVEN YEAR, GUESS WHAT, WE’RE GOING TO BENGHAZI YOU AND WE’RE GOING TO BENGHAZI YOU AND BENGHAZI YOU WITH A WHOLE BUNCH BENGHAZI YOU WITH A WHOLE BUNCH OF HEARINGS BECAUSE THE BARR OF HEARINGS BECAUSE THE BARR REPORT, THE MUELLER REPORT IS A REPORT, THE MUELLER REPORT IS A RICH TAPESTRY OF A FOREIGN RICH TAPESTRY OF A FOREIGN GOVERNMENT ATTACK ON THE UNITED GOVERNMENT ATTACK ON THE UNITED STATES THAT THE TRUMP STATES THAT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION AND THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION AND THE TRUMP CANDIDACY CHEERED AND BENEFITS CANDIDACY CHEERED AND BENEFITS FROM. FROM. SO WE’LL HAVE THOSE HEARINGS AND SO WE’LL HAVE THOSE HEARINGS AND THAT’S THE TAB BELOW BEING SET THAT’S THE TAB BELOW BEING SET RIGHT HERE. RIGHT HERE. AND I WOULDN’T BET AGAINST IT, I AND I WOULDN’T BET AGAINST IT, I WORKED WITH JERRY NADLER FOR WORKED WITH JERRY NADLER FOR YEARS DURING THE CLINTON YEARS DURING THE CLINTON IMPEACHMENT. IMPEACHMENT. I’VE KNOWN JAMIE RASKIN FOR I’VE KNOWN JAMIE RASKIN FOR DECADES. DECADES. I WOULDN’T BET AGAINST THESE I WOULDN’T BET AGAINST THESE GUYS IN THAT FIGHT. GUYS IN THAT FIGHT. THEY KNOW WHAT THEY’RE DOING AND THEY KNOW WHAT THEY’RE DOING AND KNOW HOW TO SET UP HEARINGS AND KNOW HOW TO SET UP HEARINGS AND THIS IS A GAME THAT A LONG-TERM THIS IS A GAME THAT A LONG-TERM GAME I THINK THE TRUMP WHITE GAME I THINK THE TRUMP WHITE HOUSE IS GOING TO END UP LOSING. HOUSE IS GOING TO END UP LOSING. THEY’RE GOING TO CARRY THIS THEY’RE GOING TO CARRY THIS ISSUE, RATHER THAN PUTTING THIS ISSUE, RATHER THAN PUTTING THIS ISSUE AWAY IN THE NEXT SIX ISSUE AWAY IN THE NEXT SIX MONTHS, THEY’LL CARRY IT INTO MONTHS, THEY’LL CARRY IT INTO THE ELECTION AND IT WILL COST THE ELECTION AND IT WILL COST THEM. THEM.>>YOU KNOW,NY APPLEBAUM, WHEN>>YOU KNOW,NY APPLEBAUM, WHEN YOUR COVER STORY CAME OUT ABOUT YOUR COVER STORY CAME OUT ABOUT IMPEACHMENT, IT ARRESTED IMPEACHMENT, IT ARRESTED EVERYONE’S ATTENTION. EVERYONE’S ATTENTION. WE TALKED ABOUT IT ON THIS WE TALKED ABOUT IT ON THIS PROGRAM FOR AT LEAST A WEEK OR PROGRAM FOR AT LEAST A WEEK OR SO. SO. IT CREATED ITS OWN SORT OF SURGE IT CREATED ITS OWN SORT OF SURGE OF INTEREST IN IMPEACHMENT. OF INTEREST IN IMPEACHMENT. AND THEN THAT DIED DOWN RATHER AND THEN THAT DIED DOWN RATHER DRAMATICALLY AND HERE IT IS DRAMATICALLY AND HERE IT IS REVIVED AGAIN WITH THE RELEASE REVIVED AGAIN WITH THE RELEASE OF THE REDACTED VERSION OF THE OF THE REDACTED VERSION OF THE MUELLER REPORT. MUELLER REPORT. AND NOW YOU SEE CHAIRMAN NADLER AND NOW YOU SEE CHAIRMAN NADLER EVERY OTHER QUESTION HE’S ASKED EVERY OTHER QUESTION HE’S ASKED NOW SOMEHOW INCLUDES THE WORD NOW SOMEHOW INCLUDES THE WORD IMPEACHMENT IN THAT QUESTION, IMPEACHMENT IN THAT QUESTION, WILL THIS THING THAT THE WILL THIS THING THAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL IS DOING ATTORNEY GENERAL IS DOING PROVOKE IMPEACHMENT. PROVOKE IMPEACHMENT. WHAT IS YOUR SENSE OF WHERE WE WHAT IS YOUR SENSE OF WHERE WE ARE IN THIS CURVE OF HISTORY ARE IN THIS CURVE OF HISTORY THAT MIGHT OR MIGHT NOT LEAD TO THAT MIGHT OR MIGHT NOT LEAD TO IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS? IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS?>>WELL, IT’S A GREAT QUESTION.>>WELL, IT’S A GREAT QUESTION. IN MANY WAYS I THINK THE MUELLER IN MANY WAYS I THINK THE MUELLER REPORT OR AT LEAST THAT PORTION REPORT OR AT LEAST THAT PORTION OF IT THAT THAT WE WERE ALLOWED OF IT THAT THAT WE WERE ALLOWED TO SEE AMOUNTS TO IMPEACHMENT TO SEE AMOUNTS TO IMPEACHMENT REFERRAL. REFERRAL. HE IS REMINDING ALL OF US ABOUT HE IS REMINDING ALL OF US ABOUT THE CONSTITUTIONAL SYSTEM UNDER THE CONSTITUTIONAL SYSTEM UNDER WHICH WE OPERATE IN WHICH A WHICH WE OPERATE IN WHICH A SITTING PRESIDENT UNDER SITTING PRESIDENT UNDER DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE GUIDANCE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE GUIDANCE CAN’T BE CHARGED WITH A CRIME. CAN’T BE CHARGED WITH A CRIME. THAT PROCESS AND THIS IS ONE THAT PROCESS AND THIS IS ONE THING THAT ROBERT MUELLER AND THING THAT ROBERT MUELLER AND ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR AND BRETT ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR AND BRETT KAVANAUGH ALL AGREE ON, KAVANAUGH ALL AGREE ON, IMPEACHMENT IS THE PROCESS FOR IMPEACHMENT IS THE PROCESS FOR HOLDING A SITTING PRESIDENT FOR HOLDING A SITTING PRESIDENT FOR ACCOUNT FOR POTENTIAL CRIMINAL ACCOUNT FOR POTENTIAL CRIMINAL MISCONDUCT. MISCONDUCT. THE MUELLER REPORT HAS KICKED THE MUELLER REPORT HAS KICKED THE BALL BACK INTO CONGRESS’ THE BALL BACK INTO CONGRESS’ COURT WHICH IS WHERE IT’S BEEN COURT WHICH IS WHERE IT’S BEEN ALL ALONG. ALL ALONG. THAT IS I THINK WHY THIS THAT IS I THINK WHY THIS CONVERSATION KEEPS COMING BACK CONVERSATION KEEPS COMING BACK AROUND TO IMPEACHMENT AROUND TO IMPEACHMENT ULTIMATELY. ULTIMATELY. IF THE THINGS THAT MEMBERS OF IF THE THINGS THAT MEMBERS OF CONGRESS HAVE REPEATEDLY CHARGED CONGRESS HAVE REPEATEDLY CHARGED THE PRESIDENT WITH HAVING DONE, THE PRESIDENT WITH HAVING DONE, ARE TRUE, IF HE’S DONE THEM ARE TRUE, IF HE’S DONE THEM THAT, IS THE CONSTITUTIONAL THAT, IS THE CONSTITUTIONAL REMEDY FOR THOSE CHARGES. REMEDY FOR THOSE CHARGES.>>CONGRESSMAN RASKIN, JULIAN>>CONGRESSMAN RASKIN, JULIAN JUST ALLUDED TO SOMETHING I’VE JUST ALLUDED TO SOMETHING I’VE BEEN WONDERING MYSELF. BEEN WONDERING MYSELF. AND THAT IS THE POINT OF WILLIAM AND THAT IS THE POINT OF WILLIAM BARR TESTIFYING TO THE HOUSE BARR TESTIFYING TO THE HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE NOW THAT WE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE NOW THAT WE HAVE SEEN HIM TESTIFY, NOW THAT HAVE SEEN HIM TESTIFY, NOW THAT WE SAW HIM IN HIS CONFIRMATION WE SAW HIM IN HIS CONFIRMATION HEARING AND GO THROUGH ANOTHER HEARING AND GO THROUGH ANOTHER ROUND OF TESTIFYING TO CONGRESS, ROUND OF TESTIFYING TO CONGRESS, IT SEEMS AS THOUGH HE IS IT SEEMS AS THOUGH HE IS PREPARED TO DEAL WITH, EVADE, PREPARED TO DEAL WITH, EVADE, NOT RESPOND REASONABLY, TO ANY NOT RESPOND REASONABLY, TO ANY KINDS OF QUESTIONS YOU CAN COME KINDS OF QUESTIONS YOU CAN COME UP TO IF THAT’S WHAT HE WANTS TO UP TO IF THAT’S WHAT HE WANTS TO DO. DO. HE’S ALSO CAPABLE OF DIRECT AND HE’S ALSO CAPABLE OF DIRECT AND CLEAR ANSWERS. CLEAR ANSWERS. WE’VE SEEN HIM DO THAT ALSO. WE’VE SEEN HIM DO THAT ALSO. HE SEEMS TO HAVE THE FULL RANGE HE SEEMS TO HAVE THE FULL RANGE OF ABILITY TO RESPOND IN A WAY OF ABILITY TO RESPOND IN A WAY THAT SERVES HIM. THAT SERVES HIM. AND HIS POSITION AND PRESIDENT AND HIS POSITION AND PRESIDENT TRUMP. TRUMP. SO THAT RAISES THE QUESTION OF SO THAT RAISES THE QUESTION OF HOW IMPORTANT IS THIS HEARING HOW IMPORTANT IS THIS HEARING WITH WILLIAM BARR ANYWAY? WITH WILLIAM BARR ANYWAY? BECAUSE JULIAN AND I BOTH HAVE A BECAUSE JULIAN AND I BOTH HAVE A FEELING WE KNOW HOW IT’S GOING FEELING WE KNOW HOW IT’S GOING TO GO. TO GO.>>WELL, HE’S CLEARLY NOT THE>>WELL, HE’S CLEARLY NOT THE MOST IMPORTANT WITNESS FOR US. MOST IMPORTANT WITNESS FOR US. WE’RE VERY EAGER TO HEAR FROM WE’RE VERY EAGER TO HEAR FROM DON McGRAN, THE WHITE HOUSE DON McGRAN, THE WHITE HOUSE COUNSEL WHO WAS TOLD TO GET COUNSEL WHO WAS TOLD TO GET SPECIAL COUNSEL MUELLER FIRED SPECIAL COUNSEL MUELLER FIRED AND EFFECTIVELY REFUSED TO DO AND EFFECTIVELY REFUSED TO DO IT. IT. THREATENING HIS RESIGNATION. THREATENING HIS RESIGNATION. OR TENDERING HIS RESIGNATION AS OR TENDERING HIS RESIGNATION AS I UNDERSTAND IT. I UNDERSTAND IT. WE WANT TO HEAR FROM MUELLER WE WANT TO HEAR FROM MUELLER HIMSELF. HIMSELF. THERE ARE DEFINITELY MORE THERE ARE DEFINITELY MORE IMPORTANT WITNESSES THAN THE IMPORTANT WITNESSES THAN THE ATTORNEY GENERAL. ATTORNEY GENERAL. I THINK MEMBERS ARE EAGER TO I THINK MEMBERS ARE EAGER TO QUESTION HIM ABOUT THE QUITE QUESTION HIM ABOUT THE QUITE UNPRECEDENTED PROPAGANDA ROLLOUT UNPRECEDENTED PROPAGANDA ROLLOUT OF THE BARR REPORT ON THE OF THE BARR REPORT ON THE MUELLER REPORT. MUELLER REPORT. AND SOME OF THE PERVERSE LEGAL AND SOME OF THE PERVERSE LEGAL REASONING THAT HE OFFERED US. REASONING THAT HE OFFERED US. BUT I THINK THAT PROBABLY GOES BUT I THINK THAT PROBABLY GOES MORE TO JUST DECONSTRUCTING THE MORE TO JUST DECONSTRUCTING THE DIFFERENT THEORIES HE’S ADVANCED DIFFERENT THEORIES HE’S ADVANCED THAN IT GOES TO GETTING TO THE THAN IT GOES TO GETTING TO THE UNDERLYING FACTS OF THE CASE. UNDERLYING FACTS OF THE CASE. SO IF HE REALLY INSISTS ON SO IF HE REALLY INSISTS ON PRESSING HITS R HIS POINT, I FOR PRESSING HITS R HIS POINT, I FOR ONE WOULD NOT CONSIDER IT A ONE WOULD NOT CONSIDER IT A TRAGEDY IF WE GOT RIGHT TO THE TRAGEDY IF WE GOT RIGHT TO THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO TELL US PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO TELL US THE TRUTH WHAT TOOK PLACE. THE TRUTH WHAT TOOK PLACE.>>GO AHEAD.>>GO AHEAD.>>I WAS GOING TO SAY, THAT IS>>I WAS GOING TO SAY, THAT IS THE ADVICE THAT I HAVE GIVEN TO THE ADVICE THAT I HAVE GIVEN TO THE STAFF AND JAMIE IS AS SMART THE STAFF AND JAMIE IS AS SMART A CONSTITUTIONAL EXPERT AS ANY A CONSTITUTIONAL EXPERT AS ANY IN THE COUNTRY ON THIS, BUT I IN THE COUNTRY ON THIS, BUT I WOULD NOT TAKE BARR UP THERE WOULD NOT TAKE BARR UP THERE ALONE AND LET HIM SPIN THIS ALONE AND LET HIM SPIN THIS UNDER THE FIVE-MINUTE RULE IN UNDER THE FIVE-MINUTE RULE IN THE WAY HE’S DONE IT. THE WAY HE’S DONE IT. I CAN JUST IMAGINE WHAT HIS I CAN JUST IMAGINE WHAT HIS ANSWERS WILL BE PARTICULARLY FOR ANSWERS WILL BE PARTICULARLY FOR THE FOUR MOST POIGNANT AREAS OF THE FOUR MOST POIGNANT AREAS OF QUESTIONING ON THE OBSTRUCTION QUESTIONING ON THE OBSTRUCTION WHERE MUELLER SAID HE THOUGHT WHERE MUELLER SAID HE THOUGHT THERE WAS SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE THERE WAS SUBSTANTIAL EVIDENCE OF OBSTRUCTION. OF OBSTRUCTION. I WOULDN’T GIVE HIM THAT STAGE. I WOULDN’T GIVE HIM THAT STAGE. I WOULD SAY THAT’S PART OF A I WOULD SAY THAT’S PART OF A SYSTEMIC PROCESS WE’RE GOING TO SYSTEMIC PROCESS WE’RE GOING TO UNDERTAKE BUT WE WANT ACCESS TO UNDERTAKE BUT WE WANT ACCESS TO MUELLER, WE WANT ACCESS TO MUELLER, WE WANT ACCESS TO McGAHN, WE WANT ACCESS TO THE 6E McGAHN, WE WANT ACCESS TO THE 6E MATERIAL AND THE UNREDACTED MATERIAL AND THE UNREDACTED MATERIAL AND THERE’S A WHOLE MATERIAL AND THERE’S A WHOLE SLEW OF OTHER WITNESSES WE WANT SLEW OF OTHER WITNESSES WE WANT ACCESS TO. ACCESS TO. THAT’S PART OF THE LARGER THAT’S PART OF THE LARGER DISCUSSION HERE. DISCUSSION HERE. JUST HAVING BARR ALONE I’M NOT JUST HAVING BARR ALONE I’M NOT SURE HOW MUCH ADVANCES THE SURE HOW MUCH ADVANCES THE DISCUSSION HERE. DISCUSSION HERE.>>I THINK JULIAN MAKES AN>>I THINK JULIAN MAKES AN INSIGHTFUL POINT. INSIGHTFUL POINT. IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE IT WOULD BE INTERESTING TO SEE BARR CROSS-EXAMINED ON HIS BARR CROSS-EXAMINED ON HIS REPRESENTATION OF WHAT’S IN THE REPRESENTATION OF WHAT’S IN THE MUELLER REPORT WITH WHAT IS MUELLER REPORT WITH WHAT IS ACTUALLY IN THE MUELLER REPORT ACTUALLY IN THE MUELLER REPORT WHEN HE REPEATED TRUMP’S WHEN HE REPEATED TRUMP’S FAVORITE PHRASE NO COLLUSION AND FAVORITE PHRASE NO COLLUSION AND THEN JUXTAPOSED THAT AGAINST THEN JUXTAPOSED THAT AGAINST MUELLER’S STATEMENTS HE WASN’T MUELLER’S STATEMENTS HE WASN’T DEALING WITH THE QUESTION OF DEALING WITH THE QUESTION OF COLLUSION, BUT THE QUESTION OF COLLUSION, BUT THE QUESTION OF CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY. CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY. THERE ARE A NUMBER OF CASES LIKE THERE ARE A NUMBER OF CASES LIKE THAT WHERE IT’S VERY CLEAR THAT THAT WHERE IT’S VERY CLEAR THAT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL WAS ENGAGED THE ATTORNEY GENERAL WAS ENGAGED IN SPIN AND BEING A PUBLICIST IN SPIN AND BEING A PUBLICIST FOR THE PRESIDENT RATHER THAN FOR THE PRESIDENT RATHER THAN ACTING AS ATTORNEY GENERAL OF ACTING AS ATTORNEY GENERAL OF THE UNITED STATES. THE UNITED STATES.>>YOU KNOW,NY APPLEBAUM IN OUR>>YOU KNOW,NY APPLEBAUM IN OUR RECENT HISTORY OF IMPEACHMENT RECENT HISTORY OF IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS, WE, IT HAS NOT PROCEEDINGS, WE, IT HAS NOT INVOLVED A FIRST-TERM PRESIDENT. INVOLVED A FIRST-TERM PRESIDENT. IT’S ALWAYS BEEN A SECOND TERM IT’S ALWAYS BEEN A SECOND TERM PRESIDENT, NOT RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT, NOT RUNNING FOR RE-ELECTION. RE-ELECTION. WHAT DO YOU SEE THAT DYNAMIC OF WHAT DO YOU SEE THAT DYNAMIC OF IT BEING A FIRST-TERM PRESIDENT IT BEING A FIRST-TERM PRESIDENT IN THE MIDDLE RIGHT NOW OF A IN THE MIDDLE RIGHT NOW OF A PRESIDENTIAL RE-ELECTION PRESIDENTIAL RE-ELECTION CAMPAIGN? CAMPAIGN? HOW DO YOU SEE THAT AFFECTING HOW DO YOU SEE THAT AFFECTING THE QUESTION OF IMPEACHMENT? THE QUESTION OF IMPEACHMENT?>>IT TAKES ME BACK TO ANDREW>>IT TAKES ME BACK TO ANDREW JOHNSON WHO WAS IN HIS FIRST JOHNSON WHO WAS IN HIS FIRST TERM A PARTIAL TERM. TERM A PARTIAL TERM. AND WAS A LOT CLOSER TO HIS AND WAS A LOT CLOSER TO HIS RE-ELECTION WHEN THE HOUSE RE-ELECTION WHEN THE HOUSE FINALLY PULLED THE TRIGGER ON FINALLY PULLED THE TRIGGER ON IMPEACHMENT AGAINST HIM. IMPEACHMENT AGAINST HIM. IMPEACHMENT IS A SEPARATE IMPEACHMENT IS A SEPARATE PROCESS FROM ELECTORAL PROCESS FROM ELECTORAL PROCESSES. PROCESSES. IT’S A WAY TO WEIGH A IT’S A WAY TO WEIGH A PRESIDENT’S FITNESS FOR OFFICE PRESIDENT’S FITNESS FOR OFFICE AND WHETHER OR NOT HE’S AND WHETHER OR NOT HE’S COMMITTED HIGH CRIMES AND COMMITTED HIGH CRIMES AND MISDEMEANORS. MISDEMEANORS. AN ELECTION CAN’T RESOLVE THAT AN ELECTION CAN’T RESOLVE THAT FOR YOU. FOR YOU. IF A PRESIDENT HAS DONE THAT AND IF A PRESIDENT HAS DONE THAT AND GETS A MAJORITY OF VOTERS TO GETS A MAJORITY OF VOTERS TO BACK HIM, THAT IS PERILROUS IN BACK HIM, THAT IS PERILROUS IN ITS OWN RIGHT. ITS OWN RIGHT. THAT’S WHY THERE’S A SEPARATE THAT’S WHY THERE’S A SEPARATE AND ALTERNATE PROCESS. AND ALTERNATE PROCESS. YOU CAN WATCH ATTORNEY GENERAL YOU CAN WATCH ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR HERE TRY TO PROVOKE A BARR HERE TRY TO PROVOKE A CONFRONTATION WITH CONGRESS, TRY CONFRONTATION WITH CONGRESS, TRY TO STONEWALL AS MANY TO STONEWALL AS MANY ADMINISTRATION OFFICIALS ARE ADMINISTRATION OFFICIALS ARE STONEWALLING ANY KIND OF STONEWALLING ANY KIND OF COOPERATION. COOPERATION. AND IT’S HARD NOT TO CON INCLUDE AND IT’S HARD NOT TO CON INCLUDE THEY’RE TRYING TO RUN OUT THE THEY’RE TRYING TO RUN OUT THE CLOCK AND PUSH THIS INTO 2020. CLOCK AND PUSH THIS INTO 2020. THAT’S A REAL CHALLENGE FOR THE THAT’S A REAL CHALLENGE FOR THE HOUSE. HOUSE.>>THAT’S EXACTLY RIGHT.>>THAT’S EXACTLY RIGHT. IT IS A CHALLENGE FOR THE HOUSE IT IS A CHALLENGE FOR THE HOUSE AND THE STONEWALL ISSUE AND THE STONEWALL ISSUE ENFORCING SUBPOENAS ARE A ENFORCING SUBPOENAS ARE A CHALLENGE. CHALLENGE. THE REASON I THINK BARR’S THE REASON I THINK BARR’S STRATEGY OF RUNNING THE CLOCK STRATEGY OF RUNNING THE CLOCK AND TRYING TO STONEWALL IS AND TRYING TO STONEWALL IS PROBABLY GOING TO BE A MISTAKE, PROBABLY GOING TO BE A MISTAKE, THERE ARE LOTS OF WITNESSES THEY THERE ARE LOTS OF WITNESSES THEY CAN STOP. CAN STOP. FOR EXAMPLE, YOU TALKED ABOUT FOR EXAMPLE, YOU TALKED ABOUT DEUTSCH BANK BEING SUBPOENAED BY DEUTSCH BANK BEING SUBPOENAED BY THE NEW YORK ATTORNEY GENERAL, THE NEW YORK ATTORNEY GENERAL, HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE CAN DO HOUSE JUDICIARY COMMITTEE CAN DO THAT AS THEY CAN FOR LOTS OF THAT AS THEY CAN FOR LOTS OF OTHER WITNESSES. OTHER WITNESSES. THEY ARE BREATHING LIFE INTO THEY ARE BREATHING LIFE INTO THIS ISSUE THEY’RE TRYING TO PUT THIS ISSUE THEY’RE TRYING TO PUT IT AWAY. IT AWAY.>>WE’LL LEAVE IT THERE FOR THIS

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  1. Not only they should be prepared for a subpoena to this fat hippo.. but in case he doesnt comply, they should de-bar this Barr and then send him behind bars— along with 100 Hamburgers on which he can munch and grow fatter.? Hurray to Nadler…. That's why we elected you… to do your job… not like the spineless, gutless, nutless Castrati party.? Best way to cut the funding for the DOJ is cut off all the Hamburgers there….

  2. He THINKS he can dance around… but take a second look– or even just the first look– at this hippo will prove that he can't really dance.

  3. Here's an idea how Republicans can really teach the Democrats a lesson they will never forget!

    Can you imagine the grandeur of President DJ tRump, his Cabinet, and every Republican Politician and their supporters gathering together in one place for a huge day of Protest against the Democrats!

    Then at the stroke of MIDDAY at the conclusion of one of tRumps "GREAT RALLYING SPEACHES" they all Join together in a mass ritual of SEPPUKU!

    Now that would go down in World History!!!

    As the Day that The USA became "REALLY SANE AGAIN"

  4. Remember when committes ran investgations that weren't partisan witch-hunts? This is the weakest, and most corrupt House of Representatives in American history. No one is going to give these coup plotters anything, but time.

  5. Put their butts in the klink if they do not show up AND answer all questions! Pretty sure they will change their minds in short time!

  6. This is beautiful. The DEMS commit the Crime and then go on a fishing expedition to see how many of them are going to jail….LMFAO

  7. To allow barr to say he's not going to show up and then do nothing because he's just going to spin things is ridiculous. His way of answering questions just shows his corruption. House Democrats need to step it up and get this taken care of! This needs to come to an end. And Congress needs to begin bringing this to an end. If this monster can be elected once, he can be elected twice. He has the russians, and perhaps other hostile regimes, to back him up. And he does nothing about this. Think about that. He needs to be removed from office.

  8. Barr is a Trump stooge everybody knows that it's one big gang of Republican thieves who lie, cheat elections, destroy democracy, avoid tax, work with anybody that allows them to make money or milk the taxpayer. Impeachment proceedings will start soon , its coming.

  9. Just have the lawyer text each next question to Nadler as he goes and Barr may figure out that he's been had but too late

  10. Go get them Barr. All of them. Nadler and Schiff running their holes about evidence when there is none and was started to save jobs and promotions based on HRC winning the presidency. She lost and everyone else lost that covered for her and the crap they used as tactics to unseat a duly elected President. This is the approach of elitists, entitlements and passivists.
    The swamp is getting scared and the draining has started. Those who have everything to hide scream the loudest. The FBI, Benghazi, 33,000 emails, leaking of classified materials to the Russians. This one forgot, that one forgot, this one took the 5th, that one took the 5th, this one can't remember or recall, that one don't recall, this one was not in charge, that one not in charge, he was in charge, she was in charge…on and on.
    The reckonings are coming, so, finish draining the swamp Mr. President. I've always said "you can't drain a swamp without flooding the dam."
    Finally, the only President in office since Andrew Jackson with the balls to make it happen and the spine to see it through. First, it has to be forced by starting with subpeana's so excuses can't be used to wiggle out. The Clinton's are gone but are about to come front and center.
    What is about to totally unravel will be fun to watch.

  11. You can just tell that AG Barr is going to be the next person who Trump starts distancing himself from. It’s a one-way street with loyalty in trumps circle.
    Soon will come the whole “I was never really fond of Barr anyway” or “Barr was never actually my choice for Attorney General”
    Right before he throws him under the bus and tries to blame Barr for anything and everything – so if Barr does get cross-examined with regards to his “summary” versus the actual Report and answers with anything not in Trumps best interests.
    He’s not the most important witness anyway so I personally can see Barr changing his “propaganda” narrative he regularly churns out.

  12. MSNPC IS A MENTAL ILLNESS. YOU IDIOTS HAVE CRIED FOR YEARS WITH NO PROOF> NOW ITS OVER< AND YOU ARE THE DUMBEST PEOPLE IN THE COUNTRY. MOVE TO VENEZUELA LOSERS. MAGA

  13. Dems are desperation mode and cannot handle the truth about the Mueller Report. Now they attack Barr who
    had ZERO to do with the reports findings of NO collusion, NO obstruction. Barr will crush them and when his
    investigation reveals who was responsible for the Russia collusion sham,indictments will soon follow.Game over.

  14. He has to act as if he's a bully–to satisfy the WH bully. He'll come in 'cuz he knows he must according to law.

  15. Mueller letter revealed that he was disgusted with how Barr portrayed the report to favor Trump. Bring up Barr on obstruction.

  16. And American is fine with Trump WH using tax payer money to destroy the justice that we have in America.The American people should be outraged

  17. Mr. Barr is America's greatest AG EVER! Mr. Barr is correct, he does not have to answer to political hacks other than the political hacks that were voted into congress.

  18. There is little that Barr has to offer. Give him a stage and he will dance. We already know who is playing his tune. However, there is nothing protecting everyone else in the Trump Regime. Go ahead and subpoena cabinet members and everyone else. Put them in prison. We already know that Trump's been running for 2020 since the day after the inauguration. Now, he's just trying to run out the clock. There are more lawyers in Washington D.C. than fleas on a dog. There shouldn't be any problem running these Trump people all through the courts to reassert the right of Congress for Oversight. I particularly want to hear what Mueller has to say and Rosenstein, after his retirement is effective.

  19. The U.S. Marshall's Service contracts with 1,800 state and local governments to rent jail space. No reason why the House can't make similar arrangements in DC.

  20. Of course he won't testify now that Mueller has written a letter of complaint to Barr objecting to the characterization of his report. "it did not reflect the context, nature and substance" of his work!

  21. Great, we have a president Above the Law and now an attorney general who is above the law. o need to worry. What could possibly go wrong?

  22. Gosh, Attorney General Barr is so busy landing his plane, so busy getting his arms around something he just can't see his way clear to follow the law himself. With all these folks in the Trump Administration refusing to do what all the rest of us must do, I wonder why we should even be paying them their salaries and perks. How can Congress make good laws if Congress cannot understand the problems over which it has jurisdiction? The 5 minute limit on questions and answers in live hearings more often than not leaves citizens angry and frustrated at both the committee participants and witnesses.

    But, heck, what does a measly citizen matter to the big enchiladas who work for the Bigger Enchilada?

    What we want to know, what the citizens need to know seems never to matter to Trump and his bad hombres. All of them so busy landing planes, getting their arms around whatever….

  23. @LO'D
    Barr should be Impeached, Disbarred, Charged, Tried & jailed after being found guilty.
    Wo0dy

  24. Why is it so lost on Republicans that Barr's response to the Mueller Report has, in the light of the actual report, increased citizen suspicions of what the Trump campaign was up to before the election and what it is up to now. Barr has simply added to the picture of obstruction, and linked both himself and his agency to it. He must explain himself to the citizens. This is his duty and this is his job. We do not pay him to play political games on our dime.

    Congress must deliver us safe, secure and non-partison election process protections. We cannot accept the Trump campaign behavior anymore than we can accept what the Russians did and are still doing. The world is watching the oldest democracy in the world, wondering how we will deal with the reality before us. Whether we get this problem solved, whether we emerge stronger, safer, wiser and more perfected is a priority test of the strength of our democracy right now.

  25. O'Donnell and his merry nitwits. Let's see here, how many times have you been wrong and outright lied about anything Trump? Oh that's right, almost always. With such talent, no wonder MSNBC is a joke.

    The truly sad thing is to read these comments here and see just how many undereducated fools there are in this country. Your coup is falling apart and it is about to turn seriously ugly for a lot of folks. Barr is very much like Trump, he doesn't need the job and you can't scare him into doing anything.

    This will be very entertaining. 🙂

  26. This isn’t a matter of desire to impeach. I don’t want them to impeach due to the divisiveness it causes. HOWEVER, this isn’t about what we want to do… it’s about what we NEED to do. We need to impeach since this presidency has provided cause. We need to impeach due to the precedent, regarding acceptable behavior in the presidency. We need to impeach to determine what what other illegal activity the president has been part of, other than conspiracy. This isn’t about what we want to do… it’s about what’s expected of us. So let’s get this done and hold congress to the standard we should be able to expect.

  27. Liars , liars , liars , liars , they are all liars . Trump and his children are liars . Bob Barr is a liar . Sara Sanders is a liar . Kelly Ann is a liar . Rod Rosenstein is a liar . Cohn is going to jail for lying . All of them are liars . This country was built on lies . Lies can't stand . This country won't stand either . You can see this country collapsing . White people are truly shameless . Native people said hundreds of years ago , white man speaks with a fork tongue . They were lying then and they are still lying now !!!

  28. Democrats need to start actually holding up the law and start arresting people who violated subpoenas. Barr and others will fall in line quite quickly or they too will have fun in a jail cell.

  29. Barr needed to look no further than the title of many op-eds and a book to understand that if his immense ego took him to Mount Doom, it would result in him not handing over the ring. 'Everything Trump Touches, Dies'. Say good-bye to your legacy, your honor, your stature as an honorable and fair justice. You signed on for Trump, and now you are rotten fruit. Rotten and spoiled and feted.

  30. BREAKING NEWS: A.G. Barr to resign before Congress hearing on May 02. Commits perjury to congress Apr.10. More to come….

  31. Youtube video "Yuri Bezmenov Explains How to Brainwash an Entire Nation". Now Demon Rats will know why they believe communist ideology and hate President Trump a true Patriot and our GREATEST President. MSNBC you are traitors to our nation shame on you!

  32. Trumpitis is a disease that needs to be eradicated starting with quarantining Barr, Rosenstein and Graham in the State penitentiary

  33. An Administrator in Pompeii was crucified for corruption by his second in command…Just saying, Billy….

  34. They should get everything the repigs would have demanded, including the underlying evidence and the scuff marks on the friggin' floor!

  35. Trump, when the live hearings start, it's going to be for you like a pig being eviscerated alive!!!!

  36. These three gentlemen are so clear in their thoughts and words and such a contrast to Trump and his GOP.

  37. Would AG Barr like an escort to the House Judiciary Committee meeting? I am sure that the Sargeant at Arms and some Federal Marshals would be happy to protect him while he meets with the committee.

  38. never seen three people that look like each other yet oddly very different yet oddly so similar. pretty weird.

  39. Well it's time to convict the spies and Barr will be the one who will be pointing fingers at the clueless victims who helped spy on the president.

  40. I remember Fred Johnson doing those cheesy reverse mortgage commercials and a couple of television shows.

  41. If Barr is subpoenaed and doesn't show up he should go to jail. If I'm subpoenaed and don't show up, guess what happens to me. No man is above the law!!!

  42. That was the GOP I had respect for. Both Dems and Republicans getting to the truth on behalf of the American People, Imagine that!

  43. I’m sure everyone that knows of or is involved in criminal activity could just ignore subpoenas with no repercussions.

  44. Nadler subpoenas Barr. Barr refuses to come. Look people, when the DOJ acts like a crime syndicate, it's all over but the firing squads and the kangaroo courts. There ain't gonna be any 2020 at the rate we are going.

  45. It's OK. if he refuses to testify, Trump will pardon him. And that alone is worth any career damaging consequences or legal implications he may have to face in the future, right Billy boy?

  46. I dont believe a word from lawrence, msn is so bias against potus trump, some times msn is worst than the demoncrats in the hill and laurence is like a desperate demoncrat and isnt like a journalist.

  47. The government hasn't been under such an internal siege since the Civil War. Those who took an oath to protect the country/uphold the Constitution are in violation of duty. History will recount, the Dark Days of US Democracy, how Republican officials subverted American Constitutional Democracy.

  48. They got one thing right. This is going to be a long game. They know that the USA is not behind Impeachment. Not with paychecks and Bank Accounts going up. Once you leave CA and move into America the Majority of Americans heard AG Barr and agree this whole thing is over. Now the Dems can play this game but once the Facts that the IG is gathering and the investigations into the Spying come out the game ends. SO it is going to be a interesting 16 Months and then in JAN 2021 when President Trump is Sworn in for his Second term Washington will once again go back to work for America and the American Citizens, HAVE A MAGA DAY BABY

  49. Subpoena AG Barr and he will ignore it WHICH HE CAN DO.
    FFS you democrats particularly those in MSNBC know full well that the only ones to commit crimes are the Dems. The Dems have committed treason, sedition and will hang. If I was Brennan, Clinton or Obama I would very scared.

  50. Talk about, "skirting the truth". WOW
    MSNBC . . . Surprise!
    This is no longer, pro-liberalism. It is nothing more than lies and manipulation.
    I go from anti-Trump to pro-Trump.
    Well played?
    This "anti-truth-morality card", is a bridge too far.
    FAR-TOO-FAR

  51. I only made it 12 comments before I started feeling dumber for reading .
    MAGA 2020
    #MY DODGE RUNS ON LIBERAL TEARS

  52. All I want to say is I thank God for the men that came together to give us the Constitution..the by laws that help keep America safe and against the evil that we might do to ourselves they were wise very truthful so we can remain free and able live out our dreams and preventing anyone to lead us from freedom and Justice for all..Today it stands against lies and to any who would try to lead is away from being controlled by lies and greed.. America you are being exam exposed your corruption will be brought down.. Barr! Trump and all who follows..It was God who bless through all the tools and snare we already have come looking for a better life ..The Russian has tried to destroy our democracy. Never! For in God we trust..What we looking at is the battle between Truth and Lies.. Since the beginning of time .A Lie has brought death to this world..I pray as I know others are praying that those who are against truth to let go of there lying ways. America will not be governed by Lies!..God bless 👃 America!🇱🇷👃

  53. The dems have to get Barr out.  He’s going to investigate how this
    $25 M farce started and if the truth comes out it don’t good for
    them.  They will do what they do best, waste time and money.

  54. Truly amazing how stupid you sheeple are!! You just don't get it…you will wish you had paid attention a bit sooner!!

  55. He did speak the truth. Just because it's not what you all wanted to hear. It's a true shame that this is happening. Can't you all see what is really going on!!?? It's a bigger picture!! WAKE UP!

  56. House Judiciary Committee Chairman Jerrold Nadler ignored House rules, dismissed Republican motions and refused 40 attempts to permit committee debate, regular order and amendments so he could get the Democratic majority on the committee to impose the unreasonable requirement that Attorney General Barr be questioned by a Democratic and a Republican attorney. Justice Department spokeswoman Kerri Kupec called Nadler's demands "inappropriate" and said Barr would answer questions from elected House members on the panel. “Chairman Nadler placed conditions on the House Judiciary Committee hearing that are unprecedented and unnecessary," Kupec said.

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  58. Mosco_Mitch-EPUBLICAN ARE SO AFRAID! THEY CAN NOT OPEN THEIR MOUTH NOW WIT TRUMP RACISM!!_On Sunday, CNN’s Jake Tapper took the time to point out all of the Republicans who refused to come on the air to discuss the atrocities of the weekend. The list is longer than you’d expect, and it shows just how incompetent and inept the Republican Party really is. They know what the issue is, but they can’t speak out about it because they are terrified of the NRA. Ring of Fire’s Farron Cousins discusses this.DOMESYIC TERROTISM!! PROMOTED BY THE USA PRESTDENT TRUMP!! B AD THE GOP! ???? THEY NOW CAN"T SPEAK! DON"T OPEN THEIR MOUTH!! MOW THEY GET MUTE!!-REPUBLICAN ARE SO AFRAID! THEY CAN NOT OPEN THEIR MOUTH NOW WIT TRUMP RACISM!!__On Sunday, CNN’s Jake Tapper took the time to point out all of the Republicans who refused to come on the air to discuss the atrocities of the weekend. The list is longer than you’d expect, and it shows just how incompetent and inept the Republican Party really is. They know what the issue is, but they can’t speak out about it because they are terrified of the NRA. Ring of Fire’s Farron Cousins discusses this.DOMESYIC TERROTISM! PROMOTED BY THE USA PRESTDENT TRUMP!! BUT THE GOP! ???? THEY NOW CAN"T SPEAK! DON"T OPEN THEIR MOUTH!! N OW THEY GET MUTE!!——The list is longer than you’d expect, and it shows just how incompetent and inept the Republican Party really is. They know what the issue is, but they can’t speak out about it because they are terrified of the NRA. Ring of Fire’s Farron Cousinsdiscussethis.DOMESYIC TERROTISM!! PROMOTED BY THE USA PRESTDENT TRUMP!! B AD THE GOP! ???? THEY NOW CAN"T SPEAK! DON"T OPEN THEIR MOUTH!! MOW THEY GET MUTE!!-REPUBLICAN ARE SO AFRAID! THEY CAN NOT OPEN THEIR MOUTH NOW WIT TRUMP RACISM!!—-RACIST HAVE THE RESULT THEY EXPECTED! TRUMP AND GOP SENATORS ARE NOW HAPPY!!! WHAT TRUMP DECLARE PUBLICLY AN OFFICIAL MASQUERADE ON HIPPOCRATES ON THE MOST INSULTING ALL PEOPLE INTELLIGENCE! ALL THE WAY!
    —-MOSCO MITCH! NOW TOKING IN CONFUSE WAY! NO BODY KNOW What he's about!! he's a addict client on NRA FROM WITCH he would never be elected! he WORS ON SENATE IS TO OBSTRUCT ALL SENATE WORKS TO IMPEDE OTERS INSURE CLEAN A FAIR TO OUR ELECTION! SO HE OBSTRUCT ALL SENATE WORK!IN RUSSIA "PUTIN! SO IIMPIDIATING ALL INITIATIVE TO HAVE FAIR AN CLEAN ELECTIONS! ELECTION HE WANTS RUSSIAS WAY!!

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