All for Freedom Testimony: Jack Phillips

All for Freedom Testimony: Jack Phillips


– How did I come to love art? Just, I guess I’ve just always drawn. I like to see when you
take a pencil and paper, and you’ve got an idea, and then watch it come to life in front of you. When I started Masterpiece Cakeshop, I wanted it to be known for the artwork, not just for the baked goods,
though that’s important, I wanna have a really good cake. But I want them to know
that cake came from Jack. There’s just something special about doing the wedding cake, because it’s one of the most important days in her life. And so, I really wanna get that right. It was a day much like
today, bright sunny afternoon in the late summer, it was in July. And it was a fairly busy day in the shop. Had two girls working for me then. So, they’re both busy and so I see that somebody’s coming in the shop so I come around the corner and I see, one of them indicates there’s
two guys at the wedding desk. So I went around the desk
and introduced myself, said I’m Jack, David,
Charlie, pleased to meet you. We’re here to look at wedding cakes, he said it’s for our wedding. And so right away I
know, this is not a cake that I can make, this is not
an event that I can create for. So I tell them that, and so
they’re kind of surprised like, what do you mean? I’ll sell you cookies, birthday cakes, whatever else I got, but I
just can’t make this one. They took offense at
that, got up, stormed out of the shop, flipped me
off, and swore at me. And wow, I wasn’t expecting that when I walked around the corner. Then the phone rings
about 20 minutes later, and somebody calls me up and said are you the guy who just
turned away the gay couple? No, I turned away a cake
that they asked for, but I would never turn them away. Right away, it blew up. When I got home that night, my email box was already, had emails
in it, hateful emails. You know, where’d this come from? All I did was say I can’t make this cake. The phone was ringing when I got to work, just pretty much non-stop
throughout the day. So I told the girls, I’ll be
answering the phone all day. And just the most hateful
phone calls you can imagine. And some guy calls me up and… tells me that he’s going
to come and shoot me. And having my daughter
and my granddaughter in the back, and knowing the danger that they could be in, that set in motion, I’ve gotta do something with this, I’ve gotta call the police. And they came and, the guy
never showed up or whatever, but that’s a pretty frightening
thing to have to deal with. So, yeah, when we got the ruling from the Colorado Civil Rights Commission said that we have to make cakes
for same sex couples. But you have to participate in it or face fines, and up to
a year in jail per charge, and there were two charges so $1,000 fine and go to jail for two years. We had a couple choices,
one is to say okay, we’ll start doing that and that
would violate my conscience, and I just didn’t wanna
do that and can’t do that. And I also don’t wanna disobey the law, it was a clear law that was passed down. So I can’t do this and I can’t do that, and the other option that we came up with was well if we don’t make
wedding cakes at all, then we don’t have to violating this and we’re still in compliance. But then that’s 40% of our
business, so then what? It was easier five, even 10 years ago, we had a good wedding business, good business all the way around. I had like 10 people working for me, just shortly before David
and Charlie came in. We’re down to four now. There’s still a hole that, it’s not always their choice to leave or my
choice to get rid of them, it’s like somebody else
decided you can’t do this. And so the choice was made for us, so we lost those relationships as well. And that’s as hard or
harder than the money.

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