#6 – Animation Nation!

#6 – Animation Nation!


All right but I’ve been a good boy I had
my coffee instead so now we’re ready to go now I got my two beers get boozed up
again caffeinated and we are live ladies and gentlemen welcome this is the
Chicago Film seen how we don’t get at the arrogant frog right now let’s go
down the line with a couple of introductions all right this is Nick
coming back with you again Aaron meanie up here I’m Dean Gonzalez
and the ever illustrious Joseph oh wow that’s a thing our film extraordinaire
Joseph right over there he’s coming strong with the nickname aggressive
whose encyclopedic knowledge of film is just as many holes in it it is it is a
water flooded dictionary of knowledge some pages are are so can done legible
but goddamn it some really weird yeah well so let’s dive right into it on top
of the day Nick what are we talking about today well first you gotta take
our shot thank you gentlemen Cheers animation yeah exactly
get a little boozed up and make some cartoons you can watch them nowadays
right I’m gonna just sit down stone sober and watch like a Disney film right so Joe what’s we’re gonna go into it a
little more today but I mean we’re gonna spend a lot on this topic once you kind
of go into it a little bit discuss this is your would you say favorite animated
film uh and it’s not I would not say that the movie that I believe we were
talking about Isis not my favorite animated movie but
definitely one that has introduced me to a lot of animation back during college
okay the movies wizards so for people out there that don’t know you want to
give kind of a brief bio of what’s what’s that film deal with it’s a pretty
complex one right all right for those who don’t know Wizards is a 1970s have
an animated movie by the cult animator Ralph Bakshi it deals with it’s a it’s a
basically a fantasy post-apocalyptic story about like ten million years in
the future after like a nuclear holocaust there are like two groups like
they’re fairies are basically just like you’re like you’re just got like wings
and they’re all like this all happen because of the nuclear holocaust the
elves are like all the magical folk were alive like during humanity but like just
hid and then after the nuclear holocaust they came back and what what year was
this made 77 so it’s so I’ve got a solid G rating right a hard G so we’re just
we’re just telling kids now that if you you know go into nuclear material clear
radiation that’s just the mutants so wait so not everyone’s me the fairies
were fine for the mutation yes that’s why they’re like second class
essentially because they’re mutants okay so okay so we’ve got these second-class
citizens I’ll stop I’m sorry all right all right
well the story basically it’s like a conflict between two brothers both
wizards though good wizard like who’s basically just like Adele named avatar
who’s kind of lazy but like a peace-loving like wizard in his evil
mutant brother Blackwell who after like killing their mother please to the
mutant regions of the world it basically becomes their leader he and over the
course of the of the couple thousand years of his reign he rediscovers the
secrets to the Nazi war machine wait hold on aren’t they wizards yes wait
they have magic why did it what what do the Nazis have that wizards don’t
propaganda rediscovers not only the ways to like war like Nazi war technology but
most importantly the secrets to like Nazi propaganda so he’s fighting to
protect her and he finds like reels of old not like Hitler like war rallies but
fuck being all defend reality we got a fucking u-boat yeah basically he uses
that it he uses like the secret to practically to propaganda basically
launch an assault on the rest of the world success and rather successful like
by using the power of propaganda to not only like bend like the mutants to his
will but also to spread fear in the enemy populace and it’s up to avatar and
his loyal compete reott to stop him so eight
it’s very common right now actually yes actually I would probably say it was not
he was not coming out of the cradle watching this don’t surprise me
I was definitely introduced to Ralph Bakshi as a whole during college because
like my I was part of a filmmaking group in college as our brief he listener
probably knows so I’ve said this before but like my main friend he was really
into this kind of animation and he just like fire nice you should watch whizzers
my major was a metal you should watch rock and rule
yep there’s all sorts of shit like that you rock and roll music and animation
yeah alright so what we’re gonna do we’re gonna do a little trivia
yep Joe we’ve got three questions all wizards related yeah they’re not gonna
be able to stop me because they haven’t actually seen the movie asking the
questions Joe alright so three questions how many you think you’re gonna get
right what three questions how many do you think you’re gonna get right I would
say three okay pretty confident all right question number one the horse like
animals have how many feet to Oh strong answer coming in hot
the answer is two Joe’s one for one boom question number two what was the
original title Wizards wrong what’s that say
it says war Wizards all right I’m missing half the title so let’s get the
Xbox in the corner but hey we’ll give it one more shot
hey sixty-six percent and still you know Adi time for redemption
over/under if this film make over/under seven million dollars at the box office
over/under I would say under and it made over nine million dollars a million big
bucks so now there are two x’s currently floating over Nick’s head right now from
Joe V so that’s that’s 33% that is we believe is I did say during my
introduction than my encyclopedic knowledge of films is also it is all
waterlogged he’s back tracking all right did you guys know the answers to that oh
no absolutely not you actually got one yeah oh we have someone new hello what’s
your name Courtney nice to meet you how you doing we are all doing well right now I think
we just got done talking about wizards so so how do you what is your connection
with animation what kind of brought you out for tonight you got a celebrity guest sorry I love
watching animation I have no background in it but I will say the first movie
that I saw when I was five in theaters was the Little Mermaid and I left crying
because the Sharks were scary I am I am really prepared to have this
conversation now I still cried to this date well okay let’s has everyone I
think we can all say this we’ve all cried at some point in animation film
right I mean it works to prey on your emotions that’s somewhere in there so
we’ve got a little mermaid here where is your crying moment in animation Joe the
brave little toaster wait wait so I remember like seeing just an
anthropomorphic toaster with like a vacuum cleaner friend yes and a radio a
blanket and a lamp what is that wait what is the plot it’s basically like
homeward bound it’s a beautiful animation so wait and
an errand if you say then that movie is bad I will beat you to death with this
microphone so wait so wait come on I want to pause for a second cuz I
really don’t remember this movie so it’s a
toaster trying to like find their owner after they drop off at Goodwill or
something or they live in a cabin well like the cabin is being sold and
like we haven’t seen our master in like a decade we need to go find him in the
city so they leave they go to the city the master is going to college so he’s
going back to the cottage to wait like Toy Story and Toy Story 3 mixed together
with various things go chasing up their owner and what part makes you cry like
the toaster basically sacrifices its life at the end to save in a junkyard like the toaster just like straight up
leaps into the gears it’s very early Toy Story yeah yeah ok so we’ve got what is
it called again The Brave Little Toaster okay Little
Mermaid Brave Little Toaster Dean come on where’d you have a metal
heavy metal what is that an amazing heavy metal well the reason I probably
cried is because my uncle also made me watch fun house and Texas Chainsaw
Massacre all in the same night so I had more of a probably a crisis it was kind
of an amazing awakening to watch My Little Pony with your girlfriend
absolutely absolutely I just had an awakening and to be able to see
something like that and truly honestly if if really there’s a film that really
made me weep animation animation wise would be Pink Floyd the wall the
animator who actually created the hammers at one point and it was an
emotional that’s an emotional film I loved the anime bit for like let’s go in
like goodbye blue sky oh my god it was a much later time for me when I actually
got to be able to see that and that was truly affected the rest of my life where
I’ve always wanted to make a movie like that yeah I still I still want will be a
film like that but it was it’s mind-blowing to me that somebody gave
Pink Floyd the ability to do a documentary slash drama slash animated higher elbow yeah incredible an
incredible journey and incredible shortly after the best part was I
actually met the animator who did the hammers and he had actually also done
yellow submarine he was an animator who did yellow
submarine yeah he actually did that as well and I met him at a local bar in Los
Angeles called Tay was like a French restaurant drinking hall and he was
extremely drunk and he was telling me how upset he was because now he animated
Oreos and Doritos instead of doing the wall or you know yellow submarine which
he was amazing at so I felt really really bad for him but an incredible
journey an incredible moment to to meet somebody like that but that would
honestly yeah you know what actually I’m gonna change I’m gonna change it to pink
floyd to all that that is truly a film that that made me that changed
everything for me as a filmmaker I cried it Toy Story 3 the first one I created
part not the first one like six and so like I watched the first
Toy Story I got a buzz in the same boat like we saw Toy Story 3 for 18th
birthday and she felt like you know I feel like as if I’ve grown up with Andy cash graphic cars – which probably a lot
of money only on merchandising I mean that’s what tends to happen I think it’s
an interesting topic going with animation where it is how often a great
movie and they’re like alright let’s make 12 of them because children are
gonna watch I think it was MGM that like like had the rights to land or time or
Amblin or something it was like the only animated like successful animated movie
rights that they had so is that if they wanted to make money off of animated
movies they had to built that franchise for all it was worth
so which movie was that what movie yeah land before time Land Before Time
how many were there made I want to say 13 no there was no the last movie I
should’ve got is called the power of friendship
then they were just they were marching into My Little Pony territory at that
point thirteen you’re wrong all right so what’d be interesting then kind of like
where we wanted to kind of dive into a little bit it’s kind of like start
diving into the kind of like how animation so right now we have the 1928 I try to watch some of them I just
didn’t get it the only take from like the Golden Age
of animation to that watch anytime recently was Fantasia
Fantasia this is the suite that were playing classical piece is played in
1964 that was 46 not for Mary Poppins was 64 oh yeah yeah the very first was
like 1940s Fantasia what it was the plot of Fantasia there is no plot it’s just I
think it’s like it is I want to say seven animated segments of a symphony
playing well again Symphony playing seven
different classical pieces in Walt Disney’s interpretation of those seven
segments so it’s like the time I had the norovirus and I was just vomiting on
snot stop for two days straight that’s like I said like it’s like six or seven
like segments just like shorts are just like classical music and like the
interpretation of it through animation like there’s a segment on like the
dinosaurs there’s like but not cracker but like there’s one really abstracts
just like just like abstract imagery there’s one we have a new guest on here
right now will pause the Fantasia introduction please introduce yourself
local filmmaker and sound nuisance so we want to dive into this what was an
animation movie that made you cry made me cry Oh unpack some things for that
one friend I’m not sure I can’t remember the last animation film that made me cry
you can’t remember any animation film that made you cry even a little bit crazy I have no idea what the hell five
oh man you have your child is just deprived good that explains your whole
character yes or maybe my god in the machine Greek
King from page where the main character is that you have him going to sharpen
this microphone about the gold Golden Age the Golden Age of research
from TV Tropes is basically started with Walt Disney releasing Steamboat Willie
the first like Mickey Mouse cartoon and really took like took flight with the
release of Snow White the first animated feature movie ever made
it wasn’t Cinderella Oh Snow White is the first Disney movie okay
basically like animation was just like essentially in her golden age like
everyone it’s like really an animation like that was when the Looney Tunes were
created that was when Popeye was created it’s like the time like Wayne
basically like the booby Studios still controlled the theater so they would
play like animated shorts before their movies really yeah that’s where like
Looney Tunes were like premiered this is before TV Erin okay like just treat me
like I know nothing the entire time they always treat you that way
that’s actually well okay so I got some strong opinions about today may I share
them I mean the Golden Age of TV or the Golden Age animation was like most of
like a Disney Princess can it came from the podcast he’s recording the gold like
most Disney Princess boobies came from the Golden Age of animation okay at
least all the white Disney Princesses bear
well so what makes them the best age why is that the Golden Age was gold well it
just coincided with like the Golden Age of Hollywood are you listening distracted sorry again
what’s up not just because like animation really came into its own but
because it coincided with the Golden Age of boobies in general okay back when the
studio’s control the theaters as well okay
who controls the theaters now independent theater chains theaters used
to be controlled by the studio’s yeah like MGM was a big studio back like a Warner Brothers like Warner Bros
owns the studio and that’s like Warner Brothers would own the studio and they
would own the distribution of that movie like I was a huge fan of Donald Duck
cartoons storyboard wise it starts with Donald we’re in a war and he starts
walking proverbial like like like angel there’s a Scottish man telling him to
save his money because of the allies devil on his
shoulder where it’s a guy with like a big everything was put on hold during
world war ii between like the snow like there’s snow white a Nokia there was not
much between Pinocchio Fantasia because of World War two there wasn’t much
between I want to say like Snow White was the early thirties Pinocchio was
late 30s and Fantasia was 46 okay has anyone at the table seeing the gremlins
from Kremlin what the gremlins from Kremlin please walk me through a
storyboard okay so this is an animation and I saw this I went to Columbia and I
was a film kid there and there had an animation department that haunted and
they would do a propaganda cartoon night or day in their curriculum and I wasn’t
enroll in the class but I would just sit in because I wanted to watch cartoons
so the gremlins from Kremlin is this is like well before we knew anything about
concentration camps but it’s literally about gremlins attacking Adolf Hitler
and antagonizing him that came from the Russian Kremlin so the group is or are
you saying they like the gremlins instead of just like like fucking up
Allied planes just decide like you know what we’re gonna stop fucking up a look
like a live electronic lock up Hitler instead
that’s exactly what I’m telling you yeah all right so maybe that’s why Hitler was a big fan
of you said Donald Duck cartoons or Daffy cuz that was totally Warner
Brothers jams like I got all mine like Hitler being painted like Donald Duck
cartoons from a cracked article a few years ago so I if it’s on the internet
it is never wrong yeah gentlemen we have someone new welcome
welcome so we’re talking about right now before
we dive back into the political cartoon once again I’m gonna ask what is the
animated movie that you cried too cried – oh shit up was it be movie I mean I
got the girl I know it was when I was young it’s some Disney movie you know
what have such a passion for dogs like Jesus Christ man that relationship I
don’t know that fucked me up jumping ahead to ask have you seen Isle
of Dogs I have seen our own dogs that I loved it
yeah that was a great film a great Golden Age of animation movie we’re
diving into the Kremlin yes go find ones of the Kremlin it’s amazing
it’s probably in the band of our tune list it’s really hard to find because
it’s not PC well I mean like as I was watching some of those cartoons none of
them were feet see no but you can’t find anymore there’s old Tom and Jerry
cartoons those old cartoons what’s not wait hold on no but if you watch if you
watch Tom and Jerry now it’s it’s more it’s more of the recent recent years
like you won’t really see any of the older stuff what do they you solve their
problems with words I would like where they actually have warnings like hey
this is a different era keep that in mind
yeah for some Looney Tunes cartoons like especially ones that feature like
cartoonish blackface and such well not black place but there was always that
like old mammy type you remember she was always screaming at Tom Thomas you
remember that no I don’t know she’s always you know she had her like skirt
with the with the whatever I don’t know what the under part of the skirt is and
then she’s in her slippers it was an older heavier set black woman and she’s
always like running after Tom with the frying pan or something trying to swat
him around you’ll remember that no I guess I want to say late 20s late 20s
correct okay so I’m like 14 in next month so you better keep it around
longer than a little bit longer so maybe you don’t remember those Tom and Jerry’s
because they probably weren’t like like fresh on TV when you wouldn’t you were
that much of a maybe I was sheltered at maybe early 90s yeah and the Looney
Tunes cartoons that I talk about are not aired on TV anymore
but that’s the same with the old Tom and Jerry cartoon is the new like shittier
animation it’s like it’s a it doesn’t have as much like background movement
like it’s much it’s so crazy they really dumb
down a lot it was it was like they got rid of all of the violence you know like
this like that is the idea behind one of the ideas behind the Dark Age of
animation which followed the Golden Age wait what’s the Dark Age wait joke a
book is not during the Dark Age it is actually the jungle book was amazing
film I mean it’s a classic well it’s still technically part of the Dark Age
of animation so what makes something the dark let me explain the Dark Age of
animation basically the Dark Age of animation set in in the late 50s early
60s partly like but the collapse of the studio distribution like when we were
just talking about so like in all the other Marvel new home theaters yeah but
also the rise of TV so basically and all which also coincided with Disney kind of
faltered like they released Sleeping Beauty and that was a box-office bomb so
they stopped making history but it was like the Scarface yeah and so like
because Disney started to scale down and at the time animation was Disney or
lives in the public consciousness in the jungle book was the last movie before
Walt Disney died at which point it took a further time and quality and also like
animation like started to settle into that group like Saturday morning
cartoons were like all like the card pretty much idiot hanna-barbera cartoon
like scooby-doo Captain Planet wait hold on hold on wait there’s a wide-spectrum
Captain Planet and the 70 Scooby Doo until the late 80s like during the Dark
Age of animation not all I did all that at Spa but like the idea was that like
cost-cutting like having low-cost animation was the rule not the exception
so quality of the animation dipped on the whole that’s kind of true if you
watch old hanna-barbera cartoons you will see a lot of reuse days like yeah
it’s like recycled background and they weren’t as as detailed in the background
it used to be there are a lot more dialogue so that’s that’s why I’m saying
like it’s weird how like Tom and Jerry he falls in the cusp of that because
they kind of kept it old but it was still in that era looks like we got two
new guys coming in productions here surely both returning I would guess so
my name is broken I’ve done a bunch of stand-up none of it properly publicized
this current moment but working on that and I have lots of opinions about
cartoons all the way back to alright well you just came in on our discussion
about the Dark Age of animation why is it dark it was like Disney started like
basically fall in stature like a lot like this are like loose please they
stopped creating like they weren’t creating as many good movies and like TV
was on the rise like the Saturday morning cartoons that were very cheap
but not very good but also like what we didn’t get to perform so parental rights
groups are like no you need a reboot like anything that could be offensive
these cartoons to the point where like conflict almost was completely removed
from these cartoons essentially they became like Laura pie TV tremors like
commercials like everything in the Dark Age of animation was bad it was just so
like animation as a whole like that the public consciousness took a dive show I
think in the same generation where it was it was on a different channel than
the regular networks but it was about all these tiny animals you will see that
there are no boobies well because like Sleeping Beauty was a box-office Bob and
so they stopped like after beauty was 101 Dalmatians which is the purse I like
they take place in is somewhat like modern setting and even then like like
the animation process were becoming like or based on like how cheaply can we make
these movies that have part of that probably like between the two I’m sorry that’s
like a 70s film like your commercial I guess successes quality which wasn’t
made in the public consciousness it wasn’t given credit it was animation team would reform as
studio like I know the prop back she didn’t do the Hobbit he definitely did
the Lord of the Rings and debate movies and Ralph Bakshi Donna start during the
Dark Age of animation was one of those animators along with
like the people who did like watership down and eventually Don Bluth pushed
against the idea that animation was solely kids stuff as that was the big
perception of like animation other than like children don’t really matter when
actually it’s better to give them something like fully detailed to develop
their minds a lot like you should you should be as opposed to coming it down
and making a basic because may be okay I definitely grew up in a generation where
my mom said man from the TV to watch he-man that was my Saturday morning
cartoons and I think our nostalgia for that is a way of like you know like when
you feel like as a kid like your perception doesn’t matter you kind of
take that stuff back watch like watching episode of he-man
and then compare that to say like an episode of adventure time and you will
see the difference in quality between them is that we don’t like it because
it’s good we like it because we were kids oh no that is totally fair that is a
nostalgia culture it’s the first time I went back to watch he-man I was I was
very thrown off at how slow it is fighting scenes and all of that I
thought it was just for some reason I just remember it being more like
action-packed but it wasn’t it was like very slow the struck like there would be
like half like maybe 20 seconds of he-man struggling in help Bakshi he got
a star like baekje cartoons like he was like the head animator on this Spiderman
cart although this is was originally was one
of those animators who led the charge like no animation is not just for kids
like with Fritz the Cat there’s way too much animal it is I think everybody
should watch that at least once Don Bluth was like one of the people who
helped convert like how to bring innovation on the Dark Age is just like
the Renaissance of animation like Don Bluth was an animator at Disney but he
defected early on and he founded like I think Amblin or a created like the
secret of BIM which is like the first animated movie though it’s like real
competition to Disney until Disney started like pick up their efforts of
animation as to Don Bluth who after was hired by George Lucas and Steven
Spielberg to make more animated movies like an American which I sure yeah looking back I think
my my disillusionment with Disney movies came with my disillusionment with
innovation started with the Renaissance period like until like the early 2000
like say like it started with like then like 2000 they released like
Atlantis Treasure Planet like spirit and then they shut her down like the entire
2d animation in like one that was when Shrek in 3d and Pixar also with Toy
Story started like rise as well it’s so 2d animation was tossed to sign if they
were like 3d rendering animated films like there are really good 3d animated
movies I would love to see more to like hand-drawn 2d animated movies yes he wants to go many of these my name is one conversation we’re talking about the
Renaissance of animation so kind of like the heyday of Disney that we know from
our childhood of the Little Mermaid and I see we got the Simpsons here I
remember watching the first Simpsons episode on The Tracey Ullman Show that
shit was it was that animation was horrible I used to watch The Tracey
Ullman Show all the time because her sketch comedy was great and I honestly
don’t remember what age I was but I watched it all the time and then after
watching the that first episode of The Simpsons I was hoping to see it every
week I like I liked it it was just I don’t know I don’t know what it was
about it that drew me to it but I liked it yeah I’m glad that somebody’s like as
old as I am it was Michael Jordan is the greatest
ball player of all time let’s put him in a movie with the Looney Tunes of course
you’re going to make millions of dollars did it gross that’s my only question but
like everybody wanted to see it because people wanted to see Michael Jordan play
basketball with cartoons I mean at that point that’s like the height of his
popularity like he was coming back he just came back out of retirement from
basketball but he has to come back and you know save basketball not only the
Looney Tunes in the process it’s him coming back to save basketball gross
approximately ninety point four million domestically and an estimated upwards of
250 million internationally I’m not surprised that I probably saw a million
times as a kid but I don’t remember any of it oh yeah I had eating et for me I’m
trying to remember whether or not I had siblings at the time and I feel like they wanted to launch it
because they were like like toddler maybe a little bit honestly say my
little brother watched that movie every single day after school maybe
twice a night sometimes my world my middle brother’s favorite movie when he
was a kid who was Aladdin and he would know it’s not animated like between
movies have been successful like that’s so rare for any movie so like we’re kind
of 3d okay I’ll punch out after this for the record so during this Renaissance it
went from being insanely expensive to make an animated movie to insanely
inexpensive to make a movie because you wrote your own software to do it South
Park guys did that they build their own software to make South Park episodes
very quickly this is kind of the transition in the late Renaissance years
right before mm where they started automating animation and having it based
on modeling rather than pictures so remember a lot of these new movies not
only was it more popular because they had more money to throw a production
impossibly user testing and intelligent stuff like that it was like I read Ed
Catmull book called creativity incorporated which is an awesome book by
the way it’s about you know the beginnings of Pixar and everything like
that and it’s a lot that goes into is like being a leader and how to basically
be like a multi-billion dollar company and not be a dick to your employees so
it’s a like recommended read but Steve Jobs was actually like a huge believer
in picture it’s just he didn’t know what to do with it he actually put his ego
aside and was like you would be better off with Disney then you would be
directly under me so he made the introduction to Bob Iger who is running
Disney at the time to do that so I love Pixar personally like busy Animation and
Pixar cannot help each other out on any project whatsoever so if they see
animation is making a 3d movie they can’t call the guys from Pixar help out
it’s the same thing with Marvel and Lucasfilm I don’t cross-pollinate
whatsoever it’s very strange like I actually have a question like
this kind of like you know was Kia the gentleman was just talking about about
how they made they change you know for that to come back to is anybody missed
that all the way of animation or do you think that’s kind of like where we are
now and that’s where we’re doing it’s like but I realize it doesn’t make sense
and most people are going to want the high five
3d animation all of that like like 32-bit 16-bit 8-bit like that’s my jam
and I can go to a bar and I can watch it or I can I get it I get it’s not going
to happen just beautiful like I just really missed that like style but preserve a little bit of that because
that’s that’s the aesthetic what do you guys think about live-action and in
annotations you can’t get the same aesthetic the original animation was all
about the bizarre you know you can’t like Acura like they’ve been trying to
adapt Acura as it came out as a leather to move it but they can’t capture the
essence some Spears will will kind of that going but in America and like I
have like really strong opinions like I hated every single one of them like I
hated and flex I up to recently I just saw a Lita battle angel I don’t know if
anybody but I saw it in IMAX 3d and I just wanted an excuse to see an IMAX 3d
movie because I haven’t seen one in forever
it was right by all other measures the plow is bad like I love Chris applause
and I think like a lot of people did the best they could for the material I don’t
want to see Scarlett Johansson play any more Asian people handsome self taking
all the roles that’s like I think that’s part of the problem like that goes along
with it I think that producers or writers or directors or whoever is
really like the one mainly or all of them are really cynical about how
they’re presenting this stuff to American audiences I think they think
that people aren’t going to understand if we don’t have you know like somebody
who looks like us who you can decide for yourself who that reads like I think if
you would have had I mean not just people in the starring roles but the
people behind the scenes who you know created the original anime who wrote it
to put you know the original animated together and brought them on to a team
of America instead of quote unquote Americanizing these things that loses
its soul so that’s why I think it totally I mean I they’re definitely
working still working out of an outdated system of this sort of thing like baby
back in the day they would have been right but like we
have way more information people people have way more access it’s like we can
understand we can get into the head of somebody who’s creating manga and
creating anime and like see that and go no this isn’t it we’re not into this
like everyone content like if you have a cell phone you’ve access to like
anything you want you can think of you can probably find it on the Internet and
people are hungry for content that stars people that look like themselves I was
hoping we could talk about what would you think about an anime like bringing
back babe and somebody for like I have seen like like realistic sculptures
abused about like silicones and shit people have made and it’s fucking
terrifying I think that they are kind of like anime where they exist best in
their shitty animation for another feature or is that over
I saw beavis and butt-head do America and the movie theater it was a long time
oh yeah I honestly like I’ve had a hard time finding what like what I miss about
beavis and butt-head isn’t just beavis and butt-head it’s sitting there and
watching them watch music videos like that was what it was so great about it
it was very meta and and you can’t really get that piece of it you can
watch all the sketches and you can watch all the scenes but you can’t really just
sit there and just mindlessly watch them watch these old videos which is what it
was all about Alice in Chains tool yeah yeah did you guys watch Celebrity
Deathmatch it’s coming back there’s so many more celebrities they could do now I think that’s like I don’t know if you
could do that now I guess the thing is like I don’t really want more of it I
just want to see what it was like I want to I want to a basement and I want to
like put it on and I want to watch them watch like I just I want to go back
there but no now it would be I would love to see ariana grande hair wet Pete
Davidson I think that needs to happen like I said no no chance anybody I mean
they could sue I guess all right have we covered Space Jam Roger Rabbit cool
world I was hoping to know early 90s so easily bird
I thought it was moving JD he was that the guy from Roger Rabbit like the
detective guy is the voice of Beowulf like the other animated one with
Angelina Jolie like that fucking guy look at Beowulf and then like he has one
of those fucking beds that comes out of I forget what they’re called I’m sorry
dad that’s right I’m pretty sure I think you’re wrong man
let’s check it out if nothing else it could be interesting I felt like I don’t
know Beowulf was like kind of some cool 3d I liked Anthony Hopkins in John
Malkovich pretty much play themselves in it and so does Angelina there’s really
little real acting I haven’t I don’t think I’ve seen the movie all the way
through I’ve seen some of the crucial scenes Beowulf was poisoned remember his
name until I saw a face but he was yeah I think I was can I must have confused
him with mr. it memory well my name is Dale where the whereas this is Gail and
I’m sorry I don’t know the other two gentlemen’s names as of yet Aaron’s kicking me out I kicked him out
it’s fair – guys we went off the rails man I don’t know where we are we no
longer following the script we went to her story and that’s more or less we
kind of touched on South Park we kind of we kind of got there okay we started
talking about be with somebody have we talked about cruel world yet that’s
where we’ve been talking like cool world Roger Rabbit Space Jam some of these
like mashup live-action/animated didn’t exist before 1995 so I gotta be honest I
got I got I got decently drunk last night and was trying to research films I
went to a lot of Disney propaganda films and and some and somehow I stumbled upon
cool world and I said read the synopsis and it’s like like a guy who creates
cartoons get pulled into cartoon world and like oh man it’s like Space Jam and
I got really excited and I’m like there’s only one world will here in cool
world don’t have sex with the cartoons and I’m like the one rule command of sex
with the cartoons and the guy just fucking did it
I would have done it that’s exactly how happen especially if it was Jessica
Rabbit I would have been there wait so we shouldn’t talk about Zootopia right
now you got anything for rabbits right now apparently well she’s the humor of a
human that is she’s a human rabbit she’s in a relationship and then a little is a
rat and animated rabbit so I literally watched only the
trailer and kind of just looked at the synopsis for a solid 20 minutes and I
just couldn’t get the movie we’re talking about right now okay yeah maybe
twice in my entire life anyway you watch this movie twice and maybe in my life
how do you stumble upon cool world USA I saw it back in the day TV movies man
nation when they show should I be involved
what’s that was LSD in vaults no I was really sober you’re sober loose over for
this are you big on Allstate no mushrooms never remembers never took
that stuff you have to trip it’s it’s a life-changing now I close the book after
shrooms that’s as far as I got in my psychedelic journey man I’m sorry I’m
just doing I don’t know how they got this movie green look it’s a guy right
man this is the story guy makes cartoons in jails gets really famous okay so it’s
like coming ups a story and we talk about this no no no no he gets sucked
into the cartoons okay kind of a twist right there and they must have sex with
them and then that that makes the world’s fall apart because literally –
sounds like babies were making shit up and then I’m pretty shit-faced together
just on a side note that sounds way more like cocaine than it does LSB because
you even that sounds like a cocaine meeting is
how it starts and it’s Brad Pitt coming back from World War two and he’s riding
his motorcycle with his mom on the bag this is Benjamin Button anyway
he crashes this motorcycle and they die so just be a cop for these fucking
cartoon guys like you can’t have sex with any humans like he’s the only human
that ever existed like what did he do where he is realize like you know we
can’t do this anymore like how would they know you know before time of that
moment where the platings I got I got really 20 minutes and I decided
drunkenly look up some of the critiques of it and the best one I found in our
you verbatim right now for everyone if you want to have a good time watching a
bad movie you should not watch cruel world if you want to have a generally
good life a good and happy life free of any undue anguish and suffering you
should not watch cool rope no one should watch cool world animals should not
watch cruel world I would not show cool world to my worst enemies cruel is an
enhanced interrogation technique cooled is a video in the ring cooled contains
substances known by the state of California to cause
birth defects cruel world is a best angry darkness without end
who wrote that someone was it you this guy who oh cool
no this came out in time obey this came from obey yeah it came from there
yeah fair enough fair enough do you also know that uh what’s the what’s the
director’s name who did this movie does anyone know I don’t know yes it was by
my mom Thank You Gail no sorry Joe you’re not
as no longer needed you know it’s no longer needed Gail told
me it was made by my mom thanks Gail thanks Gail so cool that’s cool well
fucking cool so what animated movies have made you
cry that’s what I want to know up Toy Story 2
I can’t watch Toy Story 2 what part where Jesse’s owner these are behind
like that part just breaks my soul I can’t I can’t take it
toy why did she leave it like when is the owner leave her behind
no there’s a flashback to Jessie before she falls in the hands to the chicken
man story to woody how do I remember this so vividly but like it’s a
flashback of her and her owner by playing outside on the horse on a stick
or whatever it just forgets about her it’s so sad I haven’t seen Toy Story 3
cuz I don’t let her cry or have a heart attack that’s that’s a way worse than
joy story to burrow this is way worse the end of just a birthday I’m talking
about before all that shit because there’s children watches but then also I
think it impacted more like the people who watch Toy Story as like as a kid in
are now like a dope like hey man I always it always really gets me when in
the Land Before Time when littlefoot’s mom gets dude come on where she gets killed by a big old
dinosaur yeah yeah she does you know I felt like the movies the animated movies
back then and we’re more like in depth like dramatic like real emotions make
you cry like Game of Thrones you never knew who was gonna fuckin die usually it
was gonna be the parents now none of these kids have to deal with it they got
wreckit-ralph and you like no one dies it’s fine like Disney World one died
like at the end there was an accident at the construction site and I’m afraid
Ralph was run over by a steamroller so now fuck Ralph
that’s actually the secrecy look at Ralph
beavis and butthead on wreck-it Ralph and they’re like
rectum so then like kick his ass that’s another like just a beautiful
jump in the late 80s early 90s it was like Nate you know like I got an idea
for a great seat oh yeah we’re gonna play music videos and just have to like
14 year olds maybe bacin but hedges my favorite beavis and butthead moment
all-time is Ryan one of them asks the other one he’s like hey Beavis you ever
watch that show friends and he’s like no and he’s like this one lady’s name is
cocks thousands of dollars off that episode Mike judge the Creator who also
made idiocracy and king of the hill Silicon Valley to walk on Valley on HBO
oh really yeah ah I feel like that’s he like put on his thinking cap for that
one there is literally at the end of the first season I’m talking about jerking a
roomful of people off but is not putting on your thinking cap they actually hired
out two scientists from MIT to figure out how long it would take to figure
that out the faster the take for one individual to jerk off and everyone in
the entire room it’s on the website you can see like actually publish academic
paper about how long would take someone to jerk off everyone in entire room but
wouldn’t that depend on like I don’t know their their innate ability and
maybe like people’s tolerance for said jerking off I think they adjusted for
variables you have to go like a rocket scientist after all captain
I’m height so they’re dicks you know dip the floor podcast so we got we dig into
Colonel how we talked about the b-movie I want to hear your rendition of what
the B movie is B what what give me a two-minute plot of the B movie so Barry
Benson is this B he lives in New York City
he’s friends with this human waiting and so he becomes a real boy by suing the
know he wants she went to stop stealing the bees honey so he pursues really Oda
he has a honey company in the movie and that’s the whole pilot moving isn’t he
trying to have like sex with a woman he is trying to have sex with Renee
Zellweger how would that work don’t have enough time maybe we don’t have enough
time to explore tonight I can’t afford to scientist or MIT
you didn’t bring your storyboard with you now I will have to make a diagram
and then get further involved in this discussion
well fine we will back where we supposed to be movie that movies trash I’m sorry
it’s actually on your car it looked out caps it says be movie oh I don’t think
Jerry Seinfeld remembers apply be moving that fucking crock of shit
no offense Jer well Jerry listens honestly right now he’s super upset sorry Jerry
I should look as you know he loves the beat will be best decision of his life
I’m sure you got paid a lot of money to do it either way oh hell yeah I would
imagine like I mean I imagine everyone has probably more experience in film
than I do I’d imagine like animation as like an
actor is like the best gig ever like you don’t have to get in shape for the role
it just like you need to talk and we just want your voice like give it two
weeks here done yeah like oh yeah we got uh we got uh was it the John Oliver
we’re gonna make him be a porcupine in this movie get over talk like you do
don’t do anything else for this no facial expression no nothing we just
want you to talk into a microphone and we’ll give you a million dollars the
Transformers feature film the animated feature film has what I would call the
fuckin all-star team of voice talent who who is the all-star team Oh they’ve
let’s look it up they’ve got everyone they’ve got whoever the voice of Optimus
Prime is he’s won Connery he’s a heavy hitter it is not fucking Sean Sean
Connery trust me don’t look at our transformer now he’s absolutely right like there’s a
shitload of very prominent people that you would not expect to all be involved
in a Transformers animated movie it’s kind of a trance played by Keanu Reeves
I mean when you really think of it like Nicolas Cage like as a terrible accident
has done a lot of like range at least right okay okay so transformers the 1986
animated feature voices by Eric Idle Judd Nelson Leonard Nimoy Robert Stack
Lionel stander and Orson Welles that was Orson Welles his last yes who
does he play I’m sinking so I’m looking he must be Unicron or could he be
Galvatron what’s my final piece going to be well you ever see the show
transformers no like the toys well yeah yeah
it’s Unicron you you got it Unicron what is the what is Unicron like
a giant like it’s a living planet it’s a transformer giant planet disguised it was a teaser no rules what
do you I am a celestial body it’s like okay you can’t really disguise yourself
on earth if you’re another fucking planet well he doesn’t he just floats
around and eats people what he eats people
he told planets so Orson Welles is the bad guy in this case he ate a sandwich
yes Orson Welles is also like very obese so it was a message method acting and he
slowly tried to become planet before he could be in this role that’s what he
died just very much like how uh what’s his name Heath Ledger died being the
Joker he was all gasp that’s all I’m sorry anyone who is a fan I do apologize
right now fan of Orson Welles family I do apologize I’m sorry you don’t want
that or somebody coming after you right now you don’t want that did we miss the
fuck Tim Burton part oh yeah I believe that Hot Topic was made by Tim Burton
him then he just created films to make fourteen-year-old girls buy his clothes
prove me wrong did you ever shop at Hot Topic I passed
by at once scared the hell out of me and I ran away a year I was eight I used to
buy my chain wallets belts and that cool like sugar tube they
would sell that had all the different flavors and it was like a vial with a
cork in it that had basically kool-aid my friends and I would snort it under
this bridge and talk about beavis and butt-head that is way too detailed to be false
oh sorry I always something to honor we didn’t wanted again wanted okay
check me out Razor Ramon hey Chico say hello to the bad guy come on old
Cogan the animated feature coming soon from indie film scene be ready for that alright we’ve got two new one not so
fresh you are the name sir and I am here Jordan Jordan do you have any strong
opinions about movies animated movies in particular I don’t know what they were
talking about beforehand but yes wait okay Jordan what was it what
was the last animated movie you cried – the last animated movie I grew up with
oh you caught it dry – then I cried – Oh robot and they like got rid of him and
they were like screw you wall-e like he’s so lonely he just wants the whole
deep – he’s a lonely wall-e and all he wants is like a friend he was
like well you’re a bad robot and then like it’s like I felt bad for wall-e now
Jordan you know how your Roomba feels when you don’t talk to it I I watched him naturally die by his
battery deflating from one hundo – just he never even got to leave his little
Roomba like caged all right we’ll take your word for it so I don’t get the
reference not really a reference just like my Roombas battery died after I had
plugged him he would go on little Roomba adventures and do his room a thing and
then he just never recharged was more or less how I accidentally murdered my
Roomba resurrected yeah until you recharge your Roomba yeah he can be he’s
not a hundred percent dead he can be so you say you’re Jesus
oh wait have we talking about space gym yet I don’t recall talking about Space
Jam before are your thoughts on LeBron James Space Jam – you would just quit
and joined the Monstars afterwards like hey you know what I take my talents
over the Monstars when will I get this chance to get a championship and mean
all my friends someone team yeah I mean it’s just like I mean this is a great
opportunity I want I want Michael Jordan’s Looney Tunes against LeBron
James Monstars whose bull Murray in Space Jam – who’s playing that Bill
Murray because he played himself in okay LeBron James needs a Bill Murray though
and I hate to say it but I think it’s Will Ferrell really III think that’s to
look like LeBron James Bill Murray is Will Ferrell now here’s the real
question is Danny DeVito coming back to Space Jam – I hope so
where was Danny DeVito in Space Jam yeah he was like the elite like he was the
head of the Monstars he was like the part was yeah that was totally Danny
DeVito but it wouldn’t mean I would love it they did not make an animated
character for Danny to be racial equality it is that there’s a monster
movie someday made now it’s like – old school short Godzilla era movies play
Sarab like a monster like a man in a suit it’s just Danny DeVito just
stomping around also instead of Tokyo we can sort of GoFundMe for that we have a
new person hello need an introduction hi I’m Scott
hi Scott Scott so have you rewatched Space Jam in recent history real
question have Yuri watch it while just stoned out of your fucking board I have
not you gotta do that can you do it sober anyways
the same experience I rewatched it at one point to be ready for this a little
bit and the story just doesn’t make sense
it starts off the whole movie doesn’t make sense yeah I realize I thought it
made more sense before and it’s like the story of like like Lion King Jordan are
you on teams car I’m glad you brought up Lion King Garon because I want to talk
about it Picchu that Michael Jordan I want to talk about the Lion King for a
little bit here please I am a known proponent of teams car teams car teams
car everyone teams car yes it’s thousands of teams on point Simba was a
bitch and yeah I like ran away like do that and like all of them were like
yes cars the Alfa now and like agreed to that and then when things didn’t go
their way if you’re sitting there complaining like oh we need to leave
because Pride Rock is all day are killed Mufasa he’s the rightful king anyways
anyways anyway I’m trying to support your argument so so the girl wanting to
leave when it’s all like the plants dying and scars like no pulling he’s
like no we need to stay it’s going to get better don’t worry we’re just in a
downturn they’re like we need to leave he’s keeping them all there and yes
after he dies eventually there is right but everything comes back at the end
scar the girls are fucking dies no a lion
dying doesn’t change the fucking weather I will say I am NOT like like team scarf
but I will say in defenses car he does think very well as a team scar I don’t
like about a team’s car but I respect scar as a billet yeah I’m the same way
you know that we have three team scars here I’m sorry are you auntie they are
I’m not on alright now we have four people on Team scar I’m forcing my way
through the people who are actually not our team star
I enjoy his ideals and that means you’re Aaron Aaron not that’s a sidetrack but
regardless of team’s car I think we all know who the people root for but what I
am more curious about is this this this new remake of The Lion King that can we
talk about the new remake that’s early we’re talking about animation and The
Lion King the original Lion King the first one was straight-up cartoon right
yeah yeah we’re talking Hamlet the Lion King
lions and I’m talking about you know Simba and so so they’re coming out with
a revamped version of the lion king of the jungle book they’re doing it with
the lad and they’re doing it with Dumbo with Maleficent they already with doing
the Beast my question the new Lion King is that an animated movie because no
one’s no one’s being acted by anyone it’s it’s all digital that is actually a
good question is it is it an animated movie that is actually a really good
really good that’s my question I don’t think it’s
animated I think I think it’s both in that case the lot the new lime thing is
an animated I agree I don’t I don’t think the new version
I think hey I hate it honestly I mean we haven’t seen the final product I haven’t
seen the final product but like I’m gonna have to watch Mufasa get
gloriously murdered by Team scar again James what is the separation between CGI
animation like where does that razor line and I guess I pose that I mean we
both pose that to the group like where does that differentiation because many
people are like who framed roger rabbit but those are obviously cartoons or is
it avatar they trying to like just use the CGI to be like being like referee
the same as humanity the lines are just they’re being blurred more and more more
and more like we can create something out of nothing we could make these crazy
things happen on film that they technically never happened so where
does animated like is Avengers infinity war to animate an official because of
all the CGI involved no yeah where does that line that Smike uestion but here’s
a real question do we need an animated remake of the live-action Beauty and the
Beast remake the remake and we like choose where we want to remake the
remake of remake of what so like rather than a grandfather clock
it’s like an old burn I don’t know just remakes have been a thing and I would
since Hollywood Hollywood right so lose your device is not the first Wizard of
Oz so for remaking the remake of Beauty and the Beast
I can’t I just like flip the game you know upside down and just like choose
what I want to make happen it’s a choose your under call a remix
let’s actually go on this when will be actually remake Wizard of Oz again
wizz-wizz I’m not talking about the way is it not
talking like there’s the play I know well when will they actually take the
entire Wizard of Oz as it and just read you again I know but The Wizard of Oz
that we’re thinking of was the third Wizard of Oz movie
what’s a third Wizard of Oz movie the one we’re talking about the big one the
one that people think of Wizard in the 1920s they’re talking about the
be like go backing gold in the system and everything back then the Golden Age
of Hollywood no I’m actually Doug meant literally they were talking about like
people stood in for like different like forms of like economic like policy we’re
like so they make a Wizard of Oz movie with James Franco yeah but that’s no no
people have now made a direct remake of that movie since then so who would play
Dorothy in the next room make Anna Kendrick yup Anna Kendrick is my Dorothy so that was my there was actually an
animated Wizard of Oz movie was released within the last five years what what boys by Lea Michele a que Rachel from
Glee that’s all I know and it did look it up on Rotten Tomatoes
it is looking it up did it have a hundred percent fresh rating I guarantee
you it has less than that yeah so with with wizard of odds for example that was
a huge achievement and fantasy and portraying a world Aaron is looking rather uh
non-plus by the fact that I’m right we can’t say that I’m wrong you’re not
wrong so we’ll keep your X’s as they are at
right now you have three X’s and I know we’ve been you’re wrong back into the
world that we have four minutes left until the end and we should let’s end
this on like going back to our notes hopefully let’s actually on what was
actually our favorite kind of anime movie as a child when you really go back
not now I think when you remember as a kid that
you grew up with bows your favorite animated movie and one easy
The Brave Little Toaster got a solid choice my favorite animated we’re
probably The Lion King I mean honestly we’ve discussed classics a tells a story
of someone who is someone who shirks their duty for fear of what they their
own perspective may bring the fear of their own right someone who believes
maybe I’m not supposed to be in charge maybe I don’t
I shouldn’t be that but he said he can’t wait to be king when he was a child but
as he grew up he ran away from that duty because I was it was sort of a weird definitely animated Robin Williams and
the genie that is like Robin Williams to start
like the whole celebrity as a voice actor and animated movies pretty much
that’s what I mean like Robin Williams like he played himself as a genie it was
such a smash success that everyone has been doing that since then probably yeah
look it up it is true where he is like the one who actually I mean this whole
thing was to you so they all right like we just let him
and then we animated trying what he did so Oh Jordan difficult question to
answer do different answers throughout my life if you ask me at age ten Jimmy
Neutron I guess if I had to go with one the the moment where mu two dies in the
initial Pokemon movie beautiful yeah that one no one Belon Belon dug deep
with me in childhood so I guess I’ll go with that because I don’t have any more
time because I think we’re before we close out you gotta say a few things in
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