I went up (on the stage) to give a fair account. I said for the good of Hong Kong, every side should sit down and have a conversation peacefully, including the government, the protestors, everyone. It should be peaceful, to ensure Hong Kong as it was before. I didn’t say who was right or wrong. I just said that Hong Kong should be stable and peaceful, just that simple. Reporter: Do you still support HK police now? Now, the way I feel… how to say… I don’t have confidence in HK anymore as things have digressed to this extent. Unless the HK government, the Chief Executive take action in these few days. Do something to let citizens like us to… otherwise there will be no turning back, HK will collapse My children asked me: “Dad, let’s emigrate, shall we?” Because we all hold British passports. Than to stay in HK? I said: “It’s ok (to stay in HK), it’s ok.” My grandson asked me the same question. I also answered that it was ok, we didn’t have to think about it at the moment. HK has experienced lots of tough times and managed to stand up again every time. But this time, it’s different. Occupy Central, the June Fourth Incident, dropping bombs, all these were small fry compared to this crisis. Now, it’s no small deal. It’s becoming unsalvageable. Reporter: HK seems no longer the HK we were familiar with. What do you think of the current HK and the HK you knew before? Not the same at all, not the same at all. I walked in the street without fear before. I saw protesters in black. They don’t interfere with me and I don’t disturb them. I walked my own way and they walked theirs? In Chinese, it is called “The river water does not intrude into the well water,” right? So that’s all. But now, I have reached a stage where it’s the police that had fired their water cannon at me. How should I think about that? I don’t have enmity against the police. The HK government… they awarded me a “Good Citizen Award” given by Chun-yung Leung a few years ago The picture is over there. So what did I do wrong? Nothing right? But not a single policeman has come and say (sorry) to me, not even a phone call, no apology, nothing. To really solve this problem, the Chief Executive or the members of the Executive Council should be replaced, must be replaced. They must replace them with younger ones with a better sense of foresight. Some of them (officials) have already escalated the situation beyond return. Those who can communicate with the young people should be elected. Those older officials failed to communicate with young people. They must elect those that youngsters can respect, be it retired judges or retired professors, at least persons who the young people can respect, only then can conversations take place. If you just replace one high official with another one, it will not facilitate communication, not at all. Of course things are not under her (Carrie Lam’s) command. But she has a responsibility to tell the Chinese government that if they expect her to lead HK well, they should loosen controls. They should let her do her job without her requiring permission regarding everything. Else she could do nothing. Because she (Carrie Lam) knows HK. The Chief Executive is a locally born HKer. Her understanding of HKers are much deeper than the high officials in mainland China. So she is obligated to explain the situation to the central government, (ask the central government) to relax controls and let her (Lam) take the right course. In this way, the citizens will for sure cooperate. She needs to prove her worthiness to us (HKers). Reporter: it seems the citizens have no confidence in her? True, a lot of people have no confidence in her. She herself should know at which stage she had arrived at. If I were the Chief Executive, I would have turned back when 1 million people took to the streets. She missed that opportunity. I don’t know why. But I know some people close to her sinisterly egged her on by telling her to keep going with it, keep going. Then 2 million marchers hit the streets, she was still advised to keep going. Doesn’t that lead to the current consequence? I’ve heard a lot of things.I’ve heard that more than 300 high officials from China were here with quite a large amount of their money kept here. The Chinese government wanted to get back this money. Wow, things are made so complicated. As citizens, we are unable to intervene nor understand. I only hope HK can be as peaceful as it once was, just this much. So everyone can do business and make a living. Reporter: is your business influenced? Of course. All the hotels are… A friend of mine runs a Holiday Inn. It offers discounts after 9 pm, 50% off many things like that. I am a member of the Pacific Club. A few weeks ago when I went out (from the club), I saw all the shops closed. How expensive it is to rent a commercial property? Prada, Chanel, all have closed. How can they continue to make a living? The whole square was closed. Yes, so I don’t understand, the government employs so many consultants, and there’s a situation now ,so many protests, so many things happening, yet the government acts as if they were not aware of anything. If other governments got the same assessment, (they would know) which direction to head to. Nevertheless, it (the HK government) hired so many people yet no one was able to inform the Chief Executive that it’s actions were wrong, or we need to take another direction otherwise the society was going to explode. Yet no one did anything. Six months ago when I read the South China Morning Post, the term “Asia’s finest” was used every time when it mentioned the police. That is, the HK police was No. 1 in Asia. Today what about it? I don’t know how to answer. Decades ago, I mean before the ICAC (Independent Commission Against Corruption)was established, HK was in a different state. At that time, the police was… I don’t have to describe it as everyone knows. Gradually, it became better and better and (I) respected the police a lot. But in the recent 3 to 4 months, everything has turned upside down, nothing (respect?) left. I have no idea what the police can do to ever regain young people’s trust. we are a third party group, an ethnic minority. The most successful man in HK, Ka-shing Li, not only Li, as well as Macro cordulee, both said to give the youngsters a chance and a way out. But immediately, they were condemned. I hope the central government could come to realise that their governing system won’t work in HK. There is a diversity of culture between HK and the mainland. So the HK government needs to gradually explain this to the central government. To change mindset, to one that is of sincere patriotism, it is a gradual bit by bit process, one cannot simply be told to be patriotic. It can’t be done that way. It needs time and education. I don’t mean to criticise the many issues. I’m not Chinese, whether to love the party, to love the country, I’d be crossing the line if I spoke out about it, I’d rather not talk about these things. I was born and raised in HK. So of course, I stand with HKers. I mean since 1997, I’ve accepted that HK is a part of China. I’ve accepted the raising of the five-starred flag. Fact is fact. But you promised “one country, two systems” for 50 years. The UK (government) negotiated with you for such a long time and finally wrote the Basic Law. That was great. Why not just follow it? Why though would everyone feel that (the environment) has been altered little by little and changed to the current situation. He (younger brother Michael Chugani) is travelling in London with my son now. He asked me to take care. He told me he would go back to the US and retire after the New Year. I am 73 now and he is 72. He said: “I am very disheartened by everything ”. I spoke to the Chief Executive this morning. She asked for some time. I am really keen to see what she is going to do. If someone tells me: “Mohan,I’m working on it, give us some time.” Ok then, go ahead and I hope you can do well. That’s it, we’d reconsider if she fails again. Reporter: so you are willing to give her another chance. There’s no other choice left. What else can you do? It’s impossible to elect another (Chief Executive) directly. HK is not an independent country that can have one president stepped down and another take the office. This does not happen in HK. Even the Chief Executive is selected from that group of merely 1 or 2 thousand people, not including by you or me. Perhaps she wants to retire, but was prevented by some reasons, who knows. I don’t think she wants to do the job anymore. If you ask for my personal opinion, I would say maybe she wants to indeed retire? She is a woman under very intense pressure. It would be unbearable. It’s difficult for her to handle. But if it’s not her, who else would take over? Everyone asked me: “Mohan, if she resigned today, who would continue her work?” I don’t know the answer either. But I’ve heard Matthew Cheung is unwilling to do it. Theoretically, the second in command should take over the job if the Chief Executive is absent. It’s ok if she (Lam) is not around for a few days. But if you throw the responsibility totally for him(Cheung)to shoulder, he may not necessarily accept. It’s not easy to occupy this position, in fact it’s hard to, especially in such an environment. I don’t think anyone would like to do it. I stood in front of the temple entrance. Many people there were shot at. The temple should ask them (the police): “Why did you stop at my entrance and sprayed us?” It was right that the Chief Executive come by. Many people in the world were like this: the Chief Executive came by, I can take a photo and shake hands with the Chief Executive. So what? Reporter: why do you have the courage to speak out with sincerity? You know, many people of your social class would choose to be silent. What I’ve said are facts. I was just standing there while the water cannon came by and sprayed me. I’m not a bad guy. I’m a citizen of HK, I’m a senior. For what reason they (the police) did that ? They should (police) tell me. They(the water cannon)stopped there (intentionally) you(reporters)all have taken pictures, there were only 5 or 6 people standing out there. If they (the police) could claim that there were a dozen or so protesters around me, all in black and holding sticks, you aimed to shoot at them, then I have nothing to say because I was unlucky (to get involved). But that was not the case.